tgirl1986: wow! This will neva end. Me i chose to believe in God..It's a matter of choice, do whateva suits you...tried the no spirituality tin and i felt like an animal..you dnt believe in a supreme being, but believe in whatever science cooks up, then science is your god..i dont tink any atheist here has carried out any experiments for themselves to prove evolution or whateva u believe in...science has failed one too many times, thats why they keep revising what they have done and continue to make modifications..i refuse to put my absolute trust in it ..and i realized that most of diseases we suffer from today is actually d product of our so called advancement in technology..

I.mbecile commenting!

God created adam and eve....they had two children cain and abel.....cain killed abel....cain ran away to another land....he met ppl there....how did those ppl get there? Christians, answers are needed!
Dont give me crap answers cos adam and eve had their third child 'seth' after cain had ran away....who created d ppl that cain met in d land he exiled too? Bible and incomplete stories sha!

tgirl1986: wow! This will neva end. Me i chose to believe in God..It's a matter of choice, do whateva suits you...tried the no spirituality tin and i felt like an animal..you dnt believe in a supreme being, but believe in whatever science cooks up, then science is your god..i dont tink any atheist here has carried out any experiments for themselves to prove evolution or whateva u believe in...science has failed one too many times, thats why they keep revising what they have done and continue to make modifications..i refuse to put my absolute trust in it ..and i realized that most of diseases we suffer from today is actually d product of our so called advancement in technology..

no offence intended, but why are you angry(that is all i got from your post), calm down and write something sensible. You made your self look stup1d with that 'technology creates disease' statement.

tgirl1986: wow! This will neva end. Me i chose to believe in God..It's a matter of choice, do whateva suits you...tried the no spirituality tin and i felt like an animal..you dnt believe in a supreme being, but believe in whatever science cooks up, then science is your god..i dont tink any atheist here has carried out any experiments for themselves to prove evolution or whateva u believe in...science has failed one too many times, thats why they keep revising what they have done and continue to make modifications..i refuse to put my absolute trust in it ..and i realized that most of diseases we suffer from today is actually d product of our so called advancement in technology..

For God to breathe, knowledge must die. The search for truth is not bad or evil. Your statement further supports the assertion that Science and religion must conflict

was it religious knowledge that invented the internet that even u religioners are using to socialise? Scientific knowledge did.

I am an athiest and u cant explain intelligent design because there is no such thing. We were not created by an invisible space daddy who we are supposed to worship our entire lives; which sounds like a miserable life to me personally

I am not an atheist but i always wonder why my shi.t comes out in very peculiar patterns even when i don't think about it. it has striated patterns and wonderful Pythagoras elements embedded does this make me an intelligent designer

Larger
Just taste your shi.it and you'll know. Very easy experiment.

ckkris: Larger
Just taste your shi.it and you'll know. Very easy experiment.

Arrrgh.. Gaddemit!!! my shii.t is the worst crap I have ever tasted - shiiit!!!. who craps badly designed shii.t like this. reminds me of some other designer who crapped out David Koresh and Boko-Haram

lekkie073: God created adam and eve....they had two children cain and abel.....cain killed abel....cain ran away to another land....he met ppl there....how did those ppl get there? Christians, answers are needed!
Dont give me crap answers cos adam and eve had their third child 'seth' after cain had ran away....who created d ppl that cain met in d land he exiled too? Bible and incomplete stories sha!

Haven't you heard - Buddah was one of the Intelligent Designers, apparently far more intelligent than others - Allah was obviously dawdling when his mates were doing their Biology Practicals

What amazes me most about the intelligent designer, is the inevitable consequence of being just another object of intelligent construct.

Whether you believe that he exists or not, it doesn't change anything about him although it changes our being. Believing he exist or not is your headache and he won't force you to accept him but i'll plead and advice you to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior for he loves you dearly. I'll rep His Kingdom till i die and i don't care what you think or say.

Tundeiknow: Whether you believe that he exists or not, it doesn't change anything about him although it changes our being. Believing he exist or not is your headache and he won't force you to accept him but i'll plead and advice you to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior for he loves you dearly. I'll rep His Kingdom till i die and i don't care what you think or say.

When you know that so well why advising people to accept Jesus that is not seen as existing ? Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

As i said, it's not by force.

You can't make a compelling argument but plea??

Arguing with you wouldn't change your your opinion. There are some things in life that needs to be experienced for a better understandin.

Yes, because your religion relies so much on personal experience/feelings and faith. So don't propagate it to us wrapped with reason.

One funny thing about people like you is that you want to believe that he is but because you can't see him you don't want to accept that he is there. Except if you're trying to fake it, check through your life closely and you'll realise there is a void somewhere and someway, somehow you struggle to get it filled with something

One thing i can tell you is that my life wouldn't have being better if not for him. Call it what you like

^^^

Good, God is good to you.

As he has always being

Actually the argument by atheists and unfortunately Christians is poor. ID'sts point out the obvious fact that the sequences in the DNA molecule is a coding system. In fact a DNA coding table has been made which maps the sequence of nucleobases in the DNA molecule to the amino acids they make. Lemme quickly summarise the science:

There is a sequence of what is called nucleotides (a chemical compound) in your body's DNA. Which means they are arranged in a line. A molecule (RNA polymerase) reads or interprets this sequence before it can form the amino acids. Amino acids are then arranged in a very specific order before they begin the process of folding into a protein. Everybody here knows from school & Cowbell adverts that proteins are the building blocks of the human body.

There is only one thing with the capacity to produce code and that is the human mind. We ID'sts simply make an inductive inference to the human mind. Since codes come from human minds & the DNA is the base of a coding system then the DNA was designed by an intelligence a human mind. Unfortunately, because of how this alludes to a God this theory is opposed. The usual method is by denying that DNA has a coding system and saying it's just a molecule.

Uyi Iredia: Actually the argument by atheists and unfortunately Christians is poor. ID'sts point out the obvious fact that the sequences in the DNA molecule is a coding system. In fact a DNA coding table has been made which maps the sequence of nucleobases in the DNA molecule to the amino acids they make. Lemme quickly summarise the science:

There is a sequence of what is called nucleotides (a chemical compound) in your body's DNA. Which means they are arranged in a line. A molecule (RNA polymerase) reads or interprets this sequence before it can form the amino acids. Amino acids are then arranged in a very specific order before they begin the process of folding into a protein. Everybody here knows from school & Cowbell adverts that proteins are the building blocks of the human body.

There is only one thing with the capacity to produce code and that is the human mind. We ID'sts simply make an inductive inference to the human mind. Since codes come from human minds & the DNA is the base of a coding system then the DNA was designed by an intelligence a human mind. Unfortunately, because of how this alludes to a God this theory is opposed. The usual method is by denying that DNA has a coding system and saying it's just a molecule.

First, the core fallacy of you are making is an argument from ignorance, which is all intelligent design has ever been. You cannot possibly imagine how DNA could emerge from simpler systems without an intelligent being, therefore an intelligent being must have initiated it. But all you are really doing is trying to abrogate your burden of proof. You cannot actually put forth any empirical evidence that DNA was created beyond humanities or you own ignorance and what created but refuse to admit this. Ignorance, I might add, is proof of nothing more than ignorance. What is ironic is that you are completely unwilling attempt to conceive of a way DNA can emerge as a part nature, but you are more than ready to conceive of a way it can come about from something that is not a part of nature.

The second fallacy you are making is circular reasoning in the form of your tautological argument. You have not actually shown that humans minds are the only source of code, you just assume it. So you have merely defined DNA as something that needed minds without actually showing it. I suspect like everything else you cannot actually put forth any empirical evidence for this. The assumption buttressing this argument is also an argument from ignorance. That assumption however, is demonstrably false as other animals code information via communication. They encode/decode information in the form of sounds(including human speech), gestures(including sign language), and smells.

Uyi Iredia: Actually the argument by atheists and unfortunately Christians is poor. ID'sts point out the obvious fact that the sequences in the DNA molecule is a coding system. In fact a DNA coding table has been made which maps the sequence of nucleobases in the DNA molecule to the amino acids they make. Lemme quickly summarise the science:

Actually, that fact was pointed out by biologists. And you cannot simply assert that they were all intelligent design creationists. In fact, they aren't all creationists.

Uyi Iredia:
There is a sequence of what is called nucleotides (a chemical compound) in your body's DNA. Which means they are arranged in a line. A molecule (RNA polymerase) reads or interprets this sequence before it can form the amino acids. Amino acids are then arranged in a very specific order before they begin the process of folding into a protein. Everybody here knows from school & Cowbell adverts that proteins are the building blocks of the human body.

There is only one thing with the capacity to produce code and that is the human mind. We ID'sts simply make an inductive inference to the human mind. Since codes come from human minds & the DNA is the base of a coding system then the DNA was designed by an intelligence a human mind. Unfortunately, because of how this alludes to a God this theory is opposed. The usual method is by denying that DNA has a coding system and saying it's just a molecule.

Are you saying that the designer (God) must have a human mind?
What you're missing is the fact that DNA is first and foremost a molecule which can be represented as a code. You need to first get this idea right in order to avoid the errors you're making.

@Uyi Iredia

Your argument is based on the similarity of human codes and the DNA, given human experience.

Why DNA is actually an intelligent design is still a mystery.

Does life have an origin?

Kay 17: @Uyi Iredia

Your argument is based on the similarity of human codes and the DNA, given human experience.

Why DNA is actually an intelligent design is still a mystery.

Does life have an origin?

DNA is not a misery! Stop speculating about such an intricate part of nature. What separate human genetic makeup from a fruit fly is just a fraction. I don't know where these unsupported ideas of how wow, almighty/supernatural nature people are trying to create out of DNA are coming from.

Jeez! Bleh!

Blackteeth: I searched through some threads debating the existence of God to get answers to this question but its difficult to get one cos there are many posts to scan through. Therefore I decided it will be easier getting the answer by opening a new thread.
Now my question is; What do atheists think is the force that intelligently designed the existing things in the universe? In other words, what kind of force is responsible for making different animals exist in pairs of male and female? Not all life exists in pairs. How do you explain the 3rd sex.... Those that are both male and female?
What kind of force knew that animals would chew food and therefore placed grinding teeths in their mouth?. By evolution the ones who couldn,t chew died. Also most life are much more diverse than chewing.
What kind of force knew that animals would feed and therefore produced plant seeds for the animals to feed on? What about those that feed on animals? There is a structure or hierarchy or order that established itself over millions of years. It is known as the food chain... With humans at the top. The most adaptable have the greatest chance of survival and we are the most adaptable.

To add also, a closed chaotic system with no outside interference can become ordered and structured. It does not prove that a system that is ordered must have been created.

thehomer:

Actually, that fact was pointed out by biologists. And you cannot simply assert that they were all intelligent design creationists. In fact, they aren't all creationists.

I never asserted that they were all ID'sts. I'm fully aware of the work of Crick & Watson. BTW the term ID creationists is misleading BECAUSE it makes it seem ID'sts are merely another form of creationists which isn't so.

thehomer: Are you saying that the designer (God) must have a human mind?
What you're missing is the fact that DNA is first and foremost a molecule which can be represented as a code. You need to first get this idea right in order to avoid the errors you're making.

No, it has a mind much more fantastic than the human mind. I think it's clear from my post that I know DNA is a molecule, however, I clearly explained why its a code and by what means ID'sts conclude that it was intelligently designed. Your point hence falls flat.

Kay 17: @Uyi Iredia

Your argument is based on the similarity of human codes and the DNA, given human experience.

Why DNA is actually an intelligent design is still a mystery.

Does life have an origin?

Ignorance on all fronts. There are answers being proferred by a scientist by the name Jack Szostak. I want you to google him & read his papers (explaining his theories on the origin of the DNA code). I do not agree with them because of the papers of people like David Abel. Here's a sample of his paper. In answer to your second question I'd say yes; life does have an origin.

Uyi Iredia:

Ignorance on all fronts. There are answers being proferred by a scientist by the name Jack Szostak. I want you to google him & read his papers (explaining his theories on the origin of the DNA code). I do not agree with them because of the papers of people like David Abel. Here's a sample of his paper. In answer to your second question I'd say yes; life does have an origin.

I also saying its inadequate, to compare the DNA to language and computer programmes. Since the DNA appears in Nature, its a paradox to dismiss seemingly natural complexities for human constructed complexities.

If life has an origin, isn't God life?

Uyi Iredia:

I never asserted that they were all ID'sts. I'm fully aware of the work of Crick & Watson. BTW the term ID creationists is misleading BECAUSE it makes it seem ID'sts are merely another form of creationists which isn't so.

You said intelligent design creationists point out that it is a code whereas the fact that it can be represented as a code was done by biologists.
Actually, those who propose intelligent design are another form of creationists or what do you think the intelligence is posited to have done?

Uyi Iredia:
No, it has a mind much more fantastic than the human mind. I think it's clear from my post that I know DNA is a molecule, however, I clearly explained why its a code and by what means ID'sts conclude that it was intelligently designed. Your point hence falls flat.

Your claim is based on a misunderstanding of what a code actually is. Also note that you explicitly said you were making an inductive inference to a human mind.
I know it is a code and what I've said to you here and on other posts is that the fact that DNA can be represented as a code today doesn't mean it was initially conceived of as a code in a human mind.

thehomer:

You said intelligent design creationists point out that it is a code whereas the fact that it can be represented as a code was done by biologists.
Actually, those who propose intelligent design are another form of creationists or what do you think the intelligence is posited to have done?

Some of these biologists e.g Lynn Margulis & Barbara Mcclintock where ignored for a while because of the challenge their findings of the DNA code proferred to traditional Darwinism. I'd'sts don't bother about the nature of the intelligence since it isoutside the scope of their work. Rest assured that I'm well aware that evolutionists are fond of painting I'd'sts as creationists.

thehomer: Your claim is based on a misunderstanding of what a code actually is. Also note that you explicitly said you were making an inductive inference to a human mind.
I know it is a code and what I've said to you here and on other posts is that the fact that DNA can be represented as a code today doesn't mean it was initially conceived of as a code in a human mind.

Demonstrate this misunderstanding, follow your own advice, explain how I misunderstood the code. I never made the claim that the DNA was initially made in the human mind. You must have made a mistake in apprehending my first post. I was trying to say an intelligence akin to or greater than the human mind. MY typing error there has been corrected.