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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 10:30am On Jun 11, 2015
cheesy dreaming is allowed...

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 10:34am On Jun 11, 2015
Nigerian coaches are so tactically dumb.

Who keeps giving them these jobs?

These lot put the i in incompetence.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by CSTR2: 10:53am On Jun 11, 2015
AirborneLacer:
Nigerian coaches are so tactically dumb.

Who keeps giving them these jobs?

These lot put the i in incompetence.
No Nigerian coach would be in my top 1000 coaches in the world.
That is how bad they are.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by CSTR2: 10:56am On Jun 11, 2015
NFF should as a matter of necessity sign a 10 year managerial and youth football development programme with the German FA at any price.
Any other approach is just a waste of time.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 11:05am On Jun 11, 2015
I was going through our full squad minutes ago and I'm hell wondering, what are we going to do with these whole raft of players out on loan?

Seems like it's going to be more loans, considering that Kalas would soon move to M'boro.

Wigan on the other hand have indicated interest in buying Moses and they're willing to pay £7m.

But then, my greatest concerns are Traore, Wallace, Piazon, Romeu and Bamford.

These ones are damn good prospects, and deserve a chance at the bridge.

We wouldn't want to do a KDB-esque transfer with them, I for one wouldn't love to see that happen.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by LordEmperoris1(m): 11:09am On Jun 11, 2015
timbros:
cheesy dreaming is allowed...
It will come to pass, but pogba deal is a doubt . Grizeman deal will happen
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Emaprince: 11:10am On Jun 11, 2015
Mourinho wants to sign a tired leg called falcao...hehe... I dey laugh like OBJ.

All our hopes of signing quality players who can help the team challenge on all fronts, and also give us some beautiful football- players who are still young and energetic like hazard....smh smh smh...na this old man wey dey fall for ground any how inside the box na him mourinho wan go sign just so his agent's market will sell.

I'm deeply dissapointed!
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SailorXY: 11:15am On Jun 11, 2015
AirborneLacer:

Aint magic hombre, the body that ran the report, the Football Observatory, is a research group from the International Centre for Sports Studies (CIES) with staff 'specialised in the statistical analysis of football'. They have undertaken research for FIFA and UEFA.

This document www.football-observatory.com/IMG/pdf/mr06_eng.pdf considers the following before coming to monetary value:-

• Player's age
• Length of contract
• Level of personal achievement
• Clubs achievements and results.
• Performance

Once all the calculations had been done, Hazard came in second ahead of Ronaldo and behind Leo Messi.

Their transfer values being worked out at:-
• Messi - somewhere between £255.3 million and £280.8 million
• Hazard - somewhere between £135.4 million and £148.9 million.
• Ronaldo - somewhere between £113.3 million and £124.7 million.

IMO, age, performance and length of contract are probably areas Hazard owned Ronaldo. Although the latter tend to find the net more, his general performance hasn't been sublime. He kinda suffered a dip in form, the goals are merely serving as a compensation.

Funny enough, a seasoned forum analyst believes that Hazard isn't among the top 20 players in the world, listing mediocres like Boa-TONG ahead of him cheesy
when I pinish my farade I will be back to pight this kwarapshun!

this is someone's opinion, & we'll just be on it back & forth till Jesus comes.

for starters, CR7's fitness will see him play into his late 30s & be among the top 2 till @ least 35. for that writer to assume age gives Hazard any edge is pure bollocks.

secondly, unless this "thing" is written every season it doesn't have much weight.

there's no calculation that can make Messi worth twice as much as Ronaldo, even if Lucifer himself compiled the data.

for you to even assume Hazard outperformed CR9 this season is not worth any counter. this guy scores more goals than games he features & someone thinks he hasn't performed enough - which is fair in its own rights - but look no further for the definition of "levels" or "shoe get size"

their transfer values must also take into considerations image rights which apparently wasn't considered. how much is Hazard's image? how many random women uninterested in sports can identify Eden Hazard on a beach?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 11:25am On Jun 11, 2015
LordEmperoris1:
It will come to pass, but pogba deal is a doubt . Grizeman deal will happen

I really hope so.

That lineup will conquer Europe.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 11:52am On Jun 11, 2015
LordEmperoris1:
It will come to pass, but pogba deal is a doubt . Grizeman deal will happen
I don't want Varane nd Pogba, Zuma can develop, Pogba is too costly, give our youngsters chance to prove themselves just like Juve, Spurs gave Pogba nd Kane.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 12:04pm On Jun 11, 2015
^^ youngester to conquer europe?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by amodu(m): 12:22pm On Jun 11, 2015
Manu Garba's decision to keep our best legs out of the match ruined it all and sends us parking.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:18pm On Jun 11, 2015
As long as Falcao deal is on loan only, no wahala
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 1:21pm On Jun 11, 2015
Ox would be a good replacement for ramires, he can play all the position the brazilian plays..... Smooth

The real deal might just be a herrera - cech swap with United, even if we include cash its nt bad.....
Dare to dream
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 1:24pm On Jun 11, 2015
timbros:
cheesy dreaming is allowed...
3 french players less than 150million combined,nt bad.....

Just sell the dead woods and let the youngsters claim the bench

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 1:29pm On Jun 11, 2015
jimmy4x:

I don't want Varane nd Pogba, Zuma can develop, Pogba is too costly, give our youngsters chance to prove themselves just like Juve, Spurs gave Pogba nd Kane.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 1:29pm On Jun 11, 2015
jimmy4x:

I don't want Varane nd Pogba, Zuma can develop, Pogba is too costly, give our youngsters chance to prove themselves just like Juve, Spurs gave Pogba nd Kane.
m partially with u on this, varane isnt benching zouma but coming as Terry's successor..... Pogba A player like him is needed, tho he is Overhyped...... Griezman is also needed....
The youngsters can take ramires x, mikel, oscar, cuadrado and luis place....... I dnt believe in experience, if u garrit, u garrit
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 1:36pm On Jun 11, 2015
torres2:
^^ youngester to conquer europe?
Juve has 2 youngsters in Pogba nd Morata, they conquered Europe big boys except Baca.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 1:36pm On Jun 11, 2015
bigkesh:
m partially with u on this, varane isnt benching zouma but coming as Terry's successor..... Pogba A player like him is needed, tho he is Overhyped...... Griezman is also needed....
The youngsters can take ramires x, mikel, oscar, cuadrado and luis place....... I dnt believe in experience, if u garrit, u garrit
sell ramires and mikel to fund pogba, if cuadrado refuse to improve his game for colombia sell him get reus or griezman...oscar is still a nice player, him and fab can rotate no 10 role or him and pogba for pivotal.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 1:38pm On Jun 11, 2015
bigkesh:
m partially with u on this, varane isnt benching zouma but coming as Terry's successor..... Pogba A player like him is needed, tho he is Overhyped...... Griezman is also needed....
The youngsters can take ramires x, mikel, oscar, cuadrado and luis place....... I dnt believe in experience, if u garrit, u garrit
What if ee let Ake, Zouma or Chalobah play alongside Matic for like 4 games each nd see ow they fair, I biliv one of these guys, if allowed to play without pressure, can be anoda Pogba
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 1:56pm On Jun 11, 2015
elampiro:

And you think I am just getting to know this?

you dunno anything....
you came to this forum not even knowing statistics existed in football. how can you know what opta represents when you were calling it oputa about a year ago?


There is no confusion. You are the confusion.

I think you should take my advise I have given you over time that you should be consistent with your source of Assist data (whether OPTA or EPL/EUFA) and stick with it throughout the length of an argument, and even if you were to switch from opta to another, you should make it very clear that you have switched.

It doesn't make sense after having used opta for several pages, then I say 'PLAYER A' has 12 Assists, you will come to say'player B,C,D,E' have 18 Assists each without stating the fact that you have switched from opta to grandnut and kuilikuili data.

this is the rambling of a möron.
only 2 sets of assist compilation exists. if my numbers don't agree with yours then common sense should tell you i am using the UEFA/FIFA standard. i do not need to spoon feed you to know which of the standard i am using. this is the only statistical parameter that has 2 different standards so all what you wrote there is the musing of a drunken pillöck!
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 3:26pm On Jun 11, 2015
SailorXY:

when I pinish my farade I will be back to pight this kwarapshun!

this is someone's opinion, & we'll just be on it back & forth till Jesus comes.

for starters, CR7's fitness will see him play into his late 30s & be among the top 2 till @ least 35. for that writer to assume age gives Hazard any edge is pure bollocks.

secondly, unless this "thing" is written every season it doesn't have much weight.

there's no calculation that can make Messi worth twice as much as Ronaldo, even if Lucifer himself compiled the data.

for you to even assume Hazard outperformed CR9 this season is not worth any counter. this guy scores more goals than games he features & someone thinks he hasn't performed enough - which is fair in its own rights - but look no further for the definition of "levels" or "shoe get size"

their transfer values must also take into considerations image rights which apparently wasn't considered. how much is Hazard's image? how many random women uninterested in sports can identify Eden Hazard on a beach?

Oga image rights ownership has got nothing to do with transfer fees, it only comes into play during contract negotiations. A player has the right to control commercial use and exploitation of his image, voice and likeness not his transfer value.

I reiterate, age structures of players count a lot in this thing.

When was the last time you heard a 30-something-year-old was shipped out for an astronomical figure? No matter how fit Ronaldo stays, fact remains, as he gets older, so does his value depreciates - this is simple economics.

I believe that report is released annually, so Hazard's appreciation in value and Ronaldo's depreciation might as well be accredited to their respective clubs' fortunes.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 3:53pm On Jun 11, 2015
AirborneLacer:


Oga image rights ownership has got nothing to do with transfer fees, it only comes into play during contract negotiations. A player has the right to control commercial use and exploitation of his image, voice and likeness not his transfer value.

I reiterate, age structures of players count a lot in this thing.

When was the last time you heard a 30-something-year-old was shipped out for an astronomical figure? No matter how fit Ronaldo stays, fact remains, as he gets older, so does his value depreciates - this is simple economics.
what then wl u say abt messi who is 28yrs and his value is double that of ronaldo. What of neymar, rodriguez and others that are younger than hazard and messi.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 4:04pm On Jun 11, 2015
Greatihex:
what then wl u say abt messi who is 28yrs and his value is double that of ronaldo. What of neymar, rodriguez and others that are younger than hazard and messi.

The overall calculations of the criteria taken into consideration should answer your question.

I treated the age structure issue as a separate topic, not as the sole criterion that determines a player's value.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by parrotibaba(m): 4:06pm On Jun 11, 2015
bigkesh:
Ox would be a good replacement for ramires, he can play all the position the brazilian plays..... Smooth

The real deal might just be a herrera - cech swap with United, even if we include cash its nt bad.....
Dare to dream
oh really? grin grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 4:23pm On Jun 11, 2015
Ibime:
As long as Falcao deal is on loan only, no wahala

Simple.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 4:29pm On Jun 11, 2015
I strongly suggest we integrate traore and ake fully into the first team squad. I will appreciate if we can get rid of ramirez,mikel and maybe oscar to free up space. Please someone shud dash mou brain n mk falcao neva to come near cfc while griezman will be a welcome buy. I sincerely do not mind pogba but i do hv a problem with the kinda fee he will command. Any order striker but falcao plssssss....!
I say cech to arssnal is a steeewpid move and shud neva happen at any cost. We hv to sell him abroad and psg or any team outside epl will do just fine.
Varane is a big big suspect for me after last season and i do not hv much hope in him. I suggest we stick with zouma and look for a less expensive defender to buy abeg becuz everything no be by name .

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 4:30pm On Jun 11, 2015
Ibime:
As long as Falcao deal is on loan only, no wahala

The type of ManU loan abi ? Abeg mk the guy look for anoda club angry
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SailorXY: 7:28pm On Jun 11, 2015
AirborneLacer:


Oga image rights ownership has got nothing to do with transfer fees, it only comes into play during contract negotiations. A player has the right to control commercial use and exploitation of his image, voice and likeness not his transfer value.

I reiterate, age structures of players count a lot in this thing.

When was the last time you heard a 30-something-year-old was shipped out for an astronomical figure? No matter how fit Ronaldo stays, fact remains, as he gets older, so does his value depreciates - this is simple economics.

I believe that report is released annually, so Hazard's appreciation in value and Ronaldo's depreciation might as well be accredited to their respective clubs' fortunes.
like I said, this will be a meaningless back & forth. I don't really have to discuss somebody's fantasies cool cool

put Hazard & CR on the market this very minute & CR will command @ least £25m more in fees & salaries from suitors. no matter how the Mercedes SL65 depreciates, it won't cost less than the Mercedes C300


... & just for the records, a player like Ronaldo's image rights MUST be considered in his transfer values. I didn't say in transfer fees like you have sang a hymn on already, hope you are not desperate to clutch unto nothing.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 7:31pm On Jun 11, 2015
diggz:


The type of ManU loan abi ? Abeg mk the guy look for anoda club angry

Dude, the way JM set his mind on this transfer, I'm just happy we're not actually buying the guy outright. It's a maximin situation ie the best scenario from two bad options.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 7:34pm On Jun 11, 2015
Real Madrid enquired about Courtois and were prepared to pay £37m.

Yes, I would sell him and keep Cech.

Cech still has another 5 years at the top by which time we have found another top goalie.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 7:36pm On Jun 11, 2015
parrotibaba:
oh really? grin grin
u should know that was a big joke

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