Almajirihunter:
I wish we had Hojberg instead of Jorginho

donstan18:

Escorts don’t mark, they don’t face opponents, they don’t attempt to challenge them.

They escort them to do what they want to do and how they want to do it. How can a player dribble an escort that didn’t challenge him?

Una no dey watch ball?

swiz123:


Your understanding of this is purely theoretical. Practically, whatever an attacker does to bypass you is counted as a dribble. If an attacker runs past an 'escort', technically, the escort has been dribbled.

You are rated to be good at what you do not because of how often you do it but the precision you show while doing it. Kante is an efficient tackler due to the precision of his tackles not necessarily the number of tackles.

If you play football with someone who gets dribbled easily, you will understand how tiring it can be.

swiz123:


Guy, Fernandes big pass every English player currently.. Ronaldo still has better stats than all English players.
No English defender will even want to compare himself with Diaz...

I don't even know what England has achieved of recent that you guys are hyping sef. A team that was struggling against Sweden at the World cup. Eliminated by Croatia and outclassed by Belgium.

donstan18:

Hojberg and Kante will be a disaster, unless we’ll be playing 3 midfielders for another flexible and calculative player to pair with them.

swiz123:


Your understanding of this is purely theoretical. Practically, whatever an attacker does to bypass you is counted as a dribble. If an attacker runs past an 'escort', technically, the escort has been dribbled.

Ibime:


Hojberg and Kante will be just fine. Hojberg is a decent passer too

donstan18:

I’ve not watched him that well, I just know him as a combat dm.

donstan18:

Someone who gets dribbled easily is better than someone who doesn’t even attempt to mark, let alone getting dribbled.

Ibime:


The reason I rate him is he can do both. I don't like any weakness in my CMs, whether technically or physically. There's a reason why he is only second to Rodri in passes this season.

swiz123:


The arguement isn't between escorts and tacklers. I am telling you that Horjberg getting "dribbled" (emphasis on the word) 75 times in maybe less than 38 matches shows that he is not an efficient tackler. Contesting and losing a duel is not the same as getting dribbled.

donstan18:

Let’s check something...

Let’s say out of all the necessary defensive duties in the midfield, Kante contested defensively 100 times, and won 40% of it.

Then Jorg contested 10 times and won 70% of it.

Who will be awarded a better success rate and who attempted more?

Melvyn11:

He only had better stats for aerial duals while Jorginho wins on ground duels. The matter on ground now is your opinion and the stats are not aligning one bit. Should we trust your opinion over the stats which are showing us Jorginho is more efficient than Højbjerg?

swiz123:


That Kante lost 60% of his duels doesn't mean he was dribbled past 60 times. Think about it. Nobody would rate Kante if they dribbled him 60 times out of 100

swiz123:


The arguement isn't between escorts and tacklers. I am telling you that Horjberg getting "dribbled" (emphasis on the word) 75 times in maybe less than 38 matches shows that he is not an efficient tackler. Contesting and losing a duel is not the same as getting dribbled.

donstan18:

It’s something to be out-paced and it’s another thing to be terrible defensively. Jorg was defensively terrible.

At this point, they weren’t running, Son stopped, Jorg as an escort was waiting for him to decide what to do with the ball instead of engaging him with a tackle or body jam.

Fernandiho no get that pace, but them no burn Son well to stop just to think of what to do with the ball.

swiz123:


Was it the same Fernandinho that foolishly engaged Mount and got turned inside out like hot ewedu? Guy rest.

Ibime:


Allan is top for being dribbled past per game, and also third for tackles per game. Which one is it? Is he a bad tackler?

Allan engages so he gets dribbled, simple, while he also wins tackles. Jorginho does neither, hiding on all the tables like he hides on the pitch off-camera in defensive situations.

Monkey dey work, baboon dey chop.

If you see anyone topping dribbled past tables, you are also likely to see them in tackles tables. Ndidi often appears in both tables.

You don't know how to interpret stats.

donstan18:

I no dey understand una sometimes, at least these players dey engage opponents.

When will escort engage players?

swiz123:

Why isn't Ndidi topping the stats of ppl getting dribbled most despite having the most tackles within that period.? The interpretation is that, the marginal efficiency of his tackles is greater than 1.

Ibime:
One doesn't have to be a massive tackler to be a good DM. Makelele did not tackle much.

However ranking high on Dribbled Past chart and Tackles chart speaks more about your style of play.

If a high energy tackler is on Dribbles Past chart, it just means that his style of play is to harrass and engage, not because he is useless.

Ibime:


Ndidi is on the chart of people getting dribbled past. Season below, he was the top tackler in the Premier League and third on Dribbled Past. Once again, you don't know how to interpret stats. All you have done is showed us the players style of play, not his weakness.

And Allan was called the best ball recoverer in Europe by Ancelotti.

swiz123:


Some coaches prioritize intelligence on the ball. If you can tackle, then it's their advantage. There interest is mostly on the technical aspect of a DMF.
That's why Pep plays Rodri, why he used Busquet, loved Alcantara. Their game ready ability and choice of passing is excellent and he loves it that way. It actually makes him dominant.

The philosophy is to have all the possession and little need to make tackles. Almost every team foul City more because they are elegant.

Dostan18 , I just revealed what you should bet on on Saturday. Chelsea must foul City more.

Pep can never have any need for a tout like Horjberg.

Ibime:


And yet Jorginho doesn't not have intelligence to play as a DM with two defenders behind him. He needs 3 defenders in order not get rãped.

I mentioned Makelele, don't think he can't tackle. He was top tackler in Spain but changed his style when he got to England cos he has Tiago and Essien to harrass players, then he just pick the ball.

All those Rodri, Busquets are escorts just benefitting off the fact their team keeps 80% possession. There are players that can do both. Fernandinho who you would call a thug anchored City to 99 points or so whereas Rodri is a comedown from that. You think Hojberg who is almost matching Rodri for volume of passes at Spurs will not match him at City, while offering better defensive stability to stop counterattacks? Is it not to pass ball left, right, centre, abi is Rodri dropping defense splitting passes like Pirlo? He is just playing give I give.which Fernandinho did same before him while offering better defensive cover.

Bring Rodri to Chelsea and you would see how useless he is. Take Jorginho to City and you would be hailing him as your favourite DM. Those are unique situations for those players within a style of play. Just because Pep can get the best players in every position and dominate the ball ]does not mean we have to be stüpid and try and copy him by putting escort DM in our team. Jorginho is the perfect example, a useless player who can't make top 5 in Chelsea POTY where nobodies like Mount and Kovacic are winning it. Look how useless Busquets became when all that structure was taken away from him for the last 6 years.

Try turning Chelsea into a poor man's Barca and we will become as trophyless as Roma, Villarreal and other poor men's Barca. This is the difference between fantasists like yourself and realists like me.

donstan18:

Escorts don’t mark, they don’t face opponents, they don’t attempt to challenge them.

They escort them to do what they want to do and how they want to do it. How can a player dribble an escort that didn’t challenge him?

Una no dey watch ball?

swiz123:


Your conspicuously avoided Fernandes. I thought stats for getting dribbled past reveals a players style of play. Your theory is not consistent with fact and should be rejected.

swiz123:

If Ndidi is third in the chart and his tackles is proportionately more successful, then he is still efficient. Even though his efficiency might have dropped or improved based on the period of time the charts suggests.

Havertz10:
format doesn't matter, because no matter what, European teams will still end up at the semi final stage

If the format mattered, we would see a decline in their representation in world cup semifinals

Let's look at it from 1990 when I said that their rise began

1990
1994
1998
2002

Leyqute:


Europe dominates world football. Simple.

And you’re looking at things without taking other variables into consideration apart from sheer number of participants.

The fact that European countries have more slots in the World Cup is not really to their own advantage, as you thought. With probability it would seem so; 13/32 is way higher than 5/32. But it isn’t the entire truth. Spain would prefer to meet Ghana than France in the World Cup.

European teams are the toughest teams in the competition. So European teams mostly eliminate European teams.

If you pitch one European team, say Germany, against teams from other parts of the world, 7 out of 10 times they’ll win. But with another European team it’s usually 50/50 or 40/60.

So even if there are 5 European teams in the tourno, they’ll just beat everybody else and get to the final. Their path to the final will be easier.

You think England wouldn’t have a better chance to get to the last World Cup final if they had met Peru, South Korea or Equatorial Guinea in the semis instead of Croatia? The odds of them winning reduces when it’s against another European team than if it wasn’t.

They get to more semis and finals because they’re the best, not because of their numbers in the competition.

Havertz10:
2006
2010
2014
2018


How else can dominance be expressed? Argentina and Brazil have been the only ones that could rival European countries because of their footballing culture but drug wars and conflicts have damaged that , how many young promising footballers from Brazil, Argentina or Uruguay, do you know today?