donjazet:

Can you tell be why seasoned football analysts would rate jorginho very high and an out of date average fan would counteract them?

Another falsehood.

Those are OPTA stats rating like I said - a compilation of stats and he scored points as an aggregation of his 5 yard passes. Same method used to grade bonus points in FPL.

The seasoned analysts (eye test) had Jorginho as our worst player except Pulisic like I said. Even RLC who played few minutes scored higher.

Griffon:


It hasn’t been easy IB. Na strong link offshore be the main issue at the moment.

I dey try voom as well, so it has been hard on everyone, esp myself.

Man!!! E no easy and Time no dey…I feel your pain and I dey also pray for your bro and you..

Griffon:


It hasn’t been easy IB. Na strong link offshore be the main issue at the moment.

I dey try voom as well, so it has been hard on everyone, esp myself.

Double post

Ibime:


Another falsehood.

Those are OPTA stats rating like I said - a compilation of stats and he scored points as an aggregation of his 5 yard passes. Same method used to grade bonus points in FPL.

The seasoned analysts (eye test) had Jorginho as our worst player except Pulisic like I said. Even RLC who played few minutes scored higher.

This is quite shameful and a new low even for you.

Just to denigrate jorginho, you had to scour the entire internet to find the only aberration to to jorginho's rating.
Well, below is the top 5 football sites that we all know for football showing jorginho as one of our highest performers today.
You can only hate and hate, jorginho will keep doing his talking on the pitch.
Tuchel is not a fool to keep trusting and relying on jorginho every match day.

This is sky sports, whoscored, dailymail, sofascored, etc all giving jorginho high scores. Not an out of touch fan arguing against them.

Your type of stubborness is toxic. Whenever we criticize players, we do so in the hope that they get better and this benefits the team overall.

It takes a matured mind to acknowledge that that growth has taken place, that those fears we might have had have been allayed and the player has evolved but you will have old stubborn ones dig in and bury their heads in sand criticizing and criticizing till the end of their days because they just can't come to believe that they may have slightly over judged the player. Such a shame.

donjazet:


This is quite shameful and a new low even for you.

Just to denigrate jorginho, you had to scour the entire internet to find the only aberration to to jorginho's rating.
Well, below is the top 5 football sites that we all know for football showing jorginho as one of our highest performers today.
You can only hate and hate, jorginho will keep doing his talking on the pitch.
Tuchel is not a fool to keep trusting and relying on jorginho every match day.

This is sky sports, whoscored, dailymail, sofascored, etc all giving jorginho high scores. Not an out of touch fan arguing against them.

Whoscored and Sofa are stats driven. Show me one "seasoned football analyst" website that has him in our top 5 players.

What I showed you was BBC. The Daily Mail you brought had him only bettering Pulisic, Chilwell and Ziyech

Show me other seasoned analysts, let's corroborate your false statements.

Learn the difference between "seasoned football analysts" and stats website next time before typing what you said below.

donjazet:

Can you tell be why seasoned football analysts would rate jorginho very high and an out of date average fan would counteract them?

A stats website only counts your number of passes, goals, key passes, tackles etc and gives a weighting to each one to produce your final score. If I enter that pitch and make a hundred passes to Mendy, I will have the highest score. However, based on stats websites, Jorginho is our worst regular starter this season as I have proven in our bet.

For this particular game, I ceded that he will score high on stats websites due his volume of useless 5 yard passes, but he will rate low on any eye test rating. You are yet to prove me wrong and don't even know the difference or what we are discussing.

Ibime:



Whoscored and Sofa are stats driven. Show me one "football analyst" website that has him in our top 5 players.
What I showed you was BBC. The Daily Mail you brought had him only bettering Pulisic, Chilwell and Ziyech
Show me others.
Learn the difference between "seasoned football analysts" and stats website next time before typing what you said below.
A stats website only counts your number of passes, goals, key passes, tackles etc and gives a weighting to each one. Based on stats websites, Jorginho is our worst regular starter this season as I have proven in our bet.
For this particular game, I ceded that he will score high on stats websites due his volume of useless 5 yard passes, but he will rate low on any eye test rating. You are yet to prove me wrong and don't even know the difference or what we are discussing.

You keep saying this "eye test", eye test. Surely you realize that this is entirely subjective.

A partially blind man would see things differently from someone with clear eyes. I've pointed out that you're still viewing football with the mentality of 90's football.

Moreso, Your negative bias has completely clouded your sense of judgement towards jorginho creating a very partial review of the player. Every single mistake magnified and highlighted, while the good contributions are impact and overlooked and brushed aside.

One thing is certain, there is no way you would convince the world that a European best player of the year is subpar. That's just balderdash. No one will take you serious. When you look at the previous winners and the pedigree of the award, you just can't say a flop won the award. You'll be arguing with yourself.

donjazet:


You keep saying this "eye test", eye test. Surely you realize that this is entirely subjective.
A partially blind man would see things differently from someone with clear eyes. I've pointed out that you're still viewing football with the mentality of 90's football.
Moreso, Your negative bias has completely clouded your sense of judgement towards jorginho creating a very partial review of the player. Every single mistake magnified and highlighted, while the good contributions and impact and overlooked and brushed aside.

One thing is certain, there is no way you would convince the world that a European best player of the year is subpar. That's just balderdash. No one will take you serious. When you look at the previous winners and the pedigree of the award, you just can't say a flop won the award. You'll be arguing with yourself.

Stop deviating.

Someone brought a Sofascore rating here showing Jorginho had the second highest score of the day.

I said that's simply because he has made the most passes today. Unlike you, I track games on Whoscored while watching. I am working with better information than you.

I know what drives that high score is the OPTA stats and I challenged him/you to bring scores from eye test i.e subjective ratings from journalists knowing that Sofascore/Whoscored is just a computer/Mathematical formula and no human being who watched the game will rate him that high.

You still went back and brought OPTA stats ratings from Sofascore and Whoscored calling them "seasoned analysts" rating.

At least have a basic level of education in what you are arguing before arguing blindly.

Just like you've been shouting all year that Jorginho is controlling possession more than anyone and he's not in the top 25 for passing stats this season or last. Educate yourself before repeating falsehoods please. Repeating falsehoods does not make them true. Tuchel has no use for Jorginho possession football. When Sarri and Lampard used him in a possession role, we were rubbish compared to now.

Na Wa

Each Ever Way, KTBFFH

donjazet:


Baba, leave all these shalaye. Do you think that it is magic that we are out possessing every single team this season bar man city??
I have told you that your sense of football has not evolved to the modern game.
Players like jorginho, busquet, rodri are essential to any team that is keen on possession? Jorginho excels in recycling and distribution of the ball from the pivot, not necessarily for tackles, ball clearance or other roles for a traditional defensive midfielders.
Modern coaches believe in defending by actually doing less defending. Ie, emphasis on possession and fast counter-presses.

Oga you are not better than top attacking coaches like tuchel, guardiola or Sarri who highly value jorginho.
The world of football has now recognized this player, nominating and winning the highest accolades. Our very own vice captain! Who the hell are you?

e say na "Who the hell are you"?

It's Don Jazzi again

BlueMann:
Oga Drisham...

At this point, need we say any more?

What we eatin' tonight? Steak? Chicken? Turkey?

Or would you rather have swallow, to be washed down by something cold?

What can I say boss??

Our boy keeps on. Dropping masterclass performances back to back

While steadily shoving L's down haters and doubters throats

Gladly he keeps this up

I'm so proud of him

Elnino4ladies:
James is the best RB in the world

Until he starts scoring free kicks , no he's not.

Thomas Tuchel's Chelsea have conceded just 24 goals in his first 50 games as manager. No manager in English top-flight history has ever conceded fewer during their first 50 matches. 31cleansheets in those 50matches as well. Tuchel is a genius.

BlueMann:
Ziyech lowkey getting back to form.

1G,3A in his last 5 apps.

Long may it continue.

Also created 3 big chances last night... Definitely getting back to form.

raumdeuter:


Its just being silly. You have taken many vaccines in your life why not this? You take polio, malaria injection, Panadol etc and it comes to covid you suddenly become an immunologist

I know some Naija people because of religious beliefs they dont want to take the vaccine. As I dey so I am going for a booster soon

Forget experience might stop some from taking, I have taken the first dose and the experience won't make me take the second one.
Why will I take vaccine to help me on something then cause me excess pain in process

Chelsea defenders have scored 16 goals: 5 from James; 3 from Chilwell and Chalobah; 2 from Rudiger; 1 from Christensen, Silva, and Alonso with 13assists as well.

Last night saw Jorginho played his best game in a Chelsea shirt so far, he was impeccable, hard to choose a man of the match between the trio, James, Silva, jorginho.


What God can not do,doesn't exist. ......Never knew a day would come that I would be applauding Jorginho .

hapheeyxz:
Lukaku spoilt the first leg game against juve but people won't understand how...

Lukaku is rigid, not mobile.

He was not playing with those boys at all, so, it was like short one.

He can't even dribble and give a good pass. U can watch the highlight of the game against Liverpool to confirm this.

Those boys need someone that will play with them not a rigid player that will be waiting for balls.

To me, those boys don't need lukaku..... he's a waste of money to that team.

I never wanted Lukaku the bag of beans. we really don't need a pure 9 for Tuchel's system to work. We need a false 9 really that is clinical, we look more fluid because our front 3 can interchange, press and occupy different spaces. Big waste of money.

BikeMan:
Juventus topping our group was a disrespect. A good way to show them their place. Up next, Old Trafford. #KTBFFH

Honestly.

donstan18:
If you once trolled James because of that pathetic Hakimi, please kindly come forward, take your L and step aside.

Segedinho:
James closely followed by jogs despite no assists nor goals

The oy person I missed out was challah or else I was spot on for the man of the match..........The power of eye test.

Silentgroper:
Until he starts scoring free kicks , no he's not.

How many freekicks.. cancelo , hakimi , Theo don score

Go and sit down sir

James is on fire man!!!

No leprous fingers should type nonsense against our English wing backs again.

Chilwell is injured and I dont trust alonso against manure.

Elnino4ladies:
James is the best RB in the world

RB or Rwb? Are you confused or drunk.

BlueMann:
The sheet must remain clean

BTW, no be Bundesliga logo be dis?

This image been causing heart attack somewhere!

drisham:


How many freekicks.. cancelo , hakimi , Theo don score

Go and sit down sir

Bt arnold dey score free kick na. In short TAA is d best RB in d world.


YNWA

Ibime:


Story for the Gods

Juventus was in their own half all game, no pressure on Jorginho and no direct opponent in midfield.

His only role today was receiving the ball in 10 yards of space everytime and giving it to the closest man.

Even Skimpledawg could have played that role tonight

At no time was he involved in forcing players to commit, removing players from the game or within 5 yards of any Juventus player, like James, Rudiger, Chalobah, Chilwell, Kante and RLC were doing all night

With all that space and no pressure, he should have been dropping multiple passes over the top like Pirlo.

Man did nothing. All those points are simply for pass completion to the next man 5 yards away from him. That's how those sites score games.

Man you at not wrong on the emboldened at all, but I in particular,like some of his interceptions and the fact that he took risk on one or two occasions something he wouldn't do before even without pressure. I'm confident is learning a lot from Tuchel,I hope he doesn't disappoint me when next the opponent are on him.

timbros:
No words.

Just read the advertisement board...

Indirect L

Silentgroper:
Bt arnold dey score free kick na. In short TAA is d best RB in d world.


YNWA

How many free kick he don score boss

BlueMann:
The sheet must remain clean

BTW, no be Bundesliga logo be dis?

donjazet:


Why do you guys keep saying this?

Have you thought about the fact that just maybe bringing dribblers into the team on the wings helped rather than mount and havertz who couldn't take on players? Let's see Lukaku play with pulisic and Hudson before having this take.

Lukaku is one of the most prolific strikers in world football. We are lucky to have him and I can't wait to rub your faces in the mud when his adaptation is complete.

Raumdeute.r in a million years can never come up with this can kind of analysis, his own kind of analysis doesn't look at causes, reasons, why is it so, what went wrong and multiple effect that might be the cause of a player's performance, with him everything is usually black and white no grey areas.

donjazet:


Why do you guys keep saying this?

Have you thought about the fact that just maybe bringing dribblers into the team on the wings helped rather than mount and havertz who couldn't take on players? Let's see Lukaku play with pulisic and Hudson before having this take.

Lukaku is one of the most prolific strikers in world football. We are lucky to have him and I can't wait to rub your faces in the mud when his adaptation is complete.

Facts only.