donjazet:



It's as if you don't know Ibime again.

Tottenham fans were roasting their own player after they surrendered their midfield, he said they are ignorant fools. But when the ibime's of our own fan base are the exposed ones??
Some jokes do indeed write themselves.

I brought Chelsea fans comment on Facebook page without selecting to show the strength of feeling. Trevor went and selected the specific Hojberg hating ones. Even in Lampard prime, 10% of fans hated him so anybody can go and select any comment they want. What I brought was as I was reading down Chelsea page. The same Hojberg that Spurs fans are campaigning to replace Kane as Captain.

Napoli

donjazet:


So since Xabi alonso, mascherano, pirlo, busquet,carrick were all slow, they were useless escorts right?? Irrespective of their other contributions to their team?

What era did they play in?

Did they play in gengen era?

A top player in one era can be inadequate in another. Ask Busquet. King of early 2010s, escort of today's era that teams use like ashawo

Ibime:


I brought Chelsea fans comment on Facebook page without selecting to show the strength of feeling. Trevor went and selected the specific Hojberg hating ones. Even in Lampard prime, 10% of fans hated him so anybody can go and select any comment they want. What I brought was as I was reading down Chelsea page. The same Hojberg that Spurs fans are campaigning to replace Kane as Captain.

should we discard this??

donjazet:


Jorginho possesses this very well. Jorginho is hardly ever dispossessed and progresses the ball forward via good passing.

As for your 2nd paragraph, busquet, pirlo, Xabi alonso, rodri, carrick, mascherano. These are all slow DM's, are they all terrible by virtue of their lack of pace?? DM's are rarely defined by their fast pace.

Never put Mascherano among slow DMs, make thunder no fire you.

Ibime:


Another low IQ use of stats. Go and check Debruyne pass accuracy.

Before judging pass accuracy, you have to know what kind of player is under consideration.

Is he a "ball no spoil for my hand" type of player like Jorginho (high accuracy)

Is he a risk-taker who tries adventurous passes like DeBruyne (low accuracy)

Or somewhere in-between.

For a ball no spoil for my hand backpasser like Jogginghoe, just know that 79% pass accuracy vs Brighton means my man was bewildered, flummoxed and out of his depth. A 79% for Debruyne meanwhile is just another day at the office.

all these are shalayes …


Doesn’t take our the fact that Jorginho met your metrics of having the highest pass volume in a game as a mildfield controller against Brighton

airmark:


Never put Mascherano among slow DMs, make thunder no fire you.

Thunder fire your papa. Olodo.

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/features/2020/7/17/21328060/jorginho

This guy really took his time to analyse Jorginho game, with loads of video evidence.

His conclusion after a lengthy analysis was that Jorginho can't defend, hides from passes under pressure, cant run, congests space Infront ball carrier, etc.

I have to say I agree with this analysis whole heartedly.

airmark:


Never put Mascherano among slow DMs, make thunder no fire you.

I don't think that guy knows anything about midfield. His own is just to hail whoever Pep signs or tried to sign. He won't even stop commenting how Pep tried to sign Jorginho. That's the first reason for his deification of Jorginho without engaging his eyes. Even when Tuchel turned Jorginho to water carrier, he still believed Jorginho was a midfield controller. If Pep had signed Bakayoko as he wanted, don't be surprised, this guy would be hailing Bakayoko as the best midfielder in the world. Some people mortgage their brain to anything Pep, Barca or Man-City because they have no understanding of what they are watching.

Macherano was very poor is his later Liverpool career, and poor as a midfielder at Barca. He earned his coin at centre back. He was always outplayed for Argentina and was a dysfunctional midfielder for them. Where Mascherano played well was the early part of his Liverpool career but he lost it all of a sudden. Maybe it was Alonso that made him look good sef. Mascherano was a fast and combative midfielder. I'm surprised he put him with Pirlo and co. Sometimes we'll be discussing with people not knowing their level.of understanding is basic. Maybe it's grammar that make them seem knowledgeable at times.

donjazet:
Isn't it funny that the man that top the stats Ibime keeps pulling out is the same one he has been rubbishing all these while.
Ibime has always derided rodri but now that rodri is excelling for Guardiola the exact same way jorginho would also excel for Guardiola, he can't stop posting rodri's stat.

Ibime is a comedian..

Today he is showing us top passers as attributes of a good dm

Tomorrow he is telling us he should have pace and able to receive ball in tight spaces without been disposed..

Comedy talks.. does hojberg even have pace

Segedinho:
should we discard this??

Should we discard Tuchel's opinion?

Ibime:


If you bring Busquet to Man City now, he will no longer be an escort but a mainstay of the Pep team. Even a Cole Palmer or another youth player will be hailed.
An escort is simply someone who can't keep up with counterattacks.
Not everyone can be lucky to play for Pep. I judge players on their attributes, not because they play for Pep.

Your takes like these is what pisses me the fuck_ of with you.

The present top 2 teams in the league posses DM's that you call "escorts".
These 2 DM's also played their role in the teams reaching the champions league final. Some even blamed the loss of mancity on Guardiola not using his DM.

Guardiola, one of the best managers in the world coverts jorginho.
Jorginho was indispensable to Sarri.
Mancini, another good coach and a premier league winner finds jorginho indispensable.
Tuchel a UCL winner and multi league winner finds jorginho indispensable.
Mourinho, also a multi league winner and one of the best coaches in the world also coverts jorginho.

All these top managers in the game see jorginho as an essential player to the game.
But Ibime, an ijaw native resident in London tells me I should take his opinion over these managers because he "watches and understands" football.
Such brazen arrogance.

You've been jumping from pillar to post.

Horjberg has been the anchor of a Tottenham team that conceded more than 50 goals this year. Cannot even qualify for champions league but you choose that brat over jorginho, because you think 8n your mind, you see stats. Show me kante's stats that show him to be one of the best midfielders as we know.
Abeg drop this your shalaye. E too plenty.

Jorginho and rodri, 2 DM's that took their teams to champions league finals and are currently the top 2 placed team in the league are "escorts", but horjtout whose team dey drink goals like kunu is your best player. oga take your time.

lordfalcao:
Ibime is a comedian..

Today he is showing us top passers as attributes of a good dm

Tomorrow he is telling us he should have pace and able to receive ball in tight spaces without been disposed..

Comedy talks.. does hojberg even have pace

Which of the two is contradictory. So a good passer cannot have pace? You should donate your brain.

Is Jordan Henderson a good passer, does he have decent pace? If I tell you Henderson has been the most consistent high volume passer in EPL for the last 5 years, you will argue. A player must look like snail before you agree they can pass. Fernandinho nko?

You cannot know football from watching under canopy. First time I watched Hojberg was 2014 at Etihad stadium live. Apart from Robben, Alaba and Boateng, he should have been the fastest player on that Bayern team. He was fast at Southampton and fast today. Not winger fast, but CM level fast. He even played right-wing at Bayern then

donjazet:

Guardiola, one of the best managers in the world coverts jorginho.
Jorginho was indispensable to Sarri.

Just like I said, you acted right on cue with no original thought of your own. Guardiola this, Guardiola that. Mortgaging your brain.

Jorginho is the second biggest fraud that Guardiola duped Chelsea board to purchase by mortgaging their brain to Guardiola. The first buggest fraud was Bakayoko that Chelsea rushed to go and purchase because Guardiola was coveting him. Go and hug your Bakayoko that Guardiola coveted. Foolish talk.

Ibime:


I don't think that guy knows anything about midfield. His own is just to hail whoever Pep signs or tried to sign. He won't even stop commenting how Pep tried to sign Jorginho. That's the first reason for his deification of Jorginho without engaging his eyes. Even when Tuchel turned Jorginho to water carrier, he still believed Jorginho was a midfield controller. If Pep had signed Bakayoko as he wanted, don't be surprised, this guy would be hailing Bakayoko as the best midfielder in the world. Some people mortgage their brain to anything Pep, Barca or Man-City because they have no understanding of what they are watching.

Ibime:


I told you interpretation of stats is not for low IQ people.

If Jogginghoe is passing ball 57 times and Bissouma is passing 50 times, that brings Chelsea down to the level of Brighton, giving more chances for Bissouma to be running with ball through the heart of Chelsea midfield to allow Brighton 18 shots while Jogginghoe was escorting.

What am I saying sef, when 50% of those Jogginghoe passes will be backward.

If you want to start interpreting stats, increase your IQ. Big club should not be allowing little club even possession. Read the below to learn how to judge passing stats against level of opposition and be blessed.

against Man U he made the highest pass (68)amongst all mildfielders

This is your metric for controlling mildfield,

donjazet:


Jorginho possesses this very well. Jorginho is hardly ever dispossessed and progresses the ball forward via good passing.

As for your 2nd paragraph, busquet, pirlo, Xabi alonso, rodri, carrick, mascherano. These are all slow DM's, are they all terrible by virtue of their lack of pace?? DM's are rarely defined by their fast pace.
It always depends on their roles for the team according to the teams structure or coaches philosophy.

Jorginho excels in being the anchor of our team when in possession. He also aids in a quick transition from defense to attack. And you can see how he adapts very well.
Jorginho played as a DM for a Napoli team that accrued 86 and 91 points respectively. That's usually more than Enough points to win the league.

Last season he showed how excellent he was at adaptation by actually performing excellently in a 2 man midfield. An ever present when we won all the top coaches in the game from Guardiola, kloop, Simeone, zidane, Mourinho and yesterday conte.

Jorginho was the most CONSISTENT player in the team and has been duly recognized for his role. It's still only your arrogance that will be dwelling on stats irrespective of it's application in your team.

My one single wish is just for us to have central midfielders that score goals from the middle. Someone like a well behaved Pogba.

What jorginho does in that situation is to give it back to defender and if he is lucky there isn't a man on his shoulder he turns half way sluggishly and give the ball to Azplicueta or Alonso depending on were he receives the ball.

lordfalcao:
against Man U he made the highest pass (68)amongst all mildfielders

This is your metric for controlling mildfield,

Yes he controlled that midfield against FredTominay, no disputing that. Manure have the most dysfunctional press and one of the wackest midfield in the Prem.

Jogginhoe and passing forward?

Ibime:


Yes he controlled that midfield against FredTominay, no disputing that. Manure have the most dysfunctional press and one of the wackest midfield in the Prem.

he also controlled the mildfield against Westham with your metrics


For you that says Jorginho doesn’t make 80 passes in a game

donjazet:


Jorginho possesses this very well. Jorginho is hardly ever dispossessed and progresses the ball forward via good passing.

As for your 2nd paragraph, busquet, pirlo, Xabi alonso, rodri, carrick, mascherano. These are all slow DM's, are they all terrible by virtue of their lack of pace?? DM's are rarely defined by their fast pace.
It always depends on their roles for the team according to the teams structure or coaches philosophy.

Jorginho excels in being the anchor of our team when in possession. He also aids in a quick transition from defense to attack. And you can see how he adapts very well.
Jorginho played as a DM for a Napoli team that accrued 86 and 91 points respectively. That's usually more than Enough points to win the league.

Last season he showed how excellent he was at adaptation by actually performing excellently in a 2 man midfield. An ever present when we won all the top coaches in the game from Guardiola, kloop, Simeone, zidane, Mourinho and yesterday conte.

Jorginho was the most CONSISTENT player in the team and has been duly recognized for his role. It's still only your arrogance that will be dwelling on stats irrespective of it's application in your team.

My one single wish is just for us to have central midfielders that score goals from the middle. Someone like a well behaved Pogba.

And you call yourself a chelsea fan ? Just look at the bolded and tell me why I should believe you know what you are saying? I'm sure people who liked this post did not read it.

donjazet:


These are simply your own words.
Because you hate this player, you have let the few times you saw the described scenario happen make you believe that is the only essence of the player.

Myself and the larger Chelsea fan base and other top coaches believe that jorginho is an excellent midfielder that is rarely dispossessed and holds his own very well.

Jorginho does superbly under pressure 8\10 of the times.

If he wasn't doing this effectively or was error prone as you claim. All his coaches would bench him. He's not even stayed that long in the club.
He would be benched if he wasn't trusted to Carry out his role.

But here you have a situation where his coaches are obsessed with him. Sarri made sure he brought him with him and still wished for him till today. Guardiola saw him as essential to his team. Mancini of Italy does too.

Now Tuchel also does. Thrusting him in the middle for 95% of his games as a Chelsea manager.
Just what makes this jorginho indispensable, I don't know.

If its a joke stop it.

In all the matches that we struggled to win. Jorginho was the most passer..

That’s mildfield controlling by ibime logic

donjazet:


Jorginho and horjtout have gone head to head 4 times since last season and horjtout has never come out winning the midfield encounter. We've always dominated them possession wise. won 3 and drew 1. That is who Ibime thinks is better. We don't know the value of what we have until it's gone.
We have the European best player with us and a minority part of the club keeps grumbling and ranting.

Only you and your likes would miss jorginho. I will not miss him a bit.

Ibime:


Just like I said, you acted right on cue with no original thought of your own. Guardiola this, Guardiola that. Mortgaging your brain.

Jorginho is the second biggest fraud that Guardiola duped Chelsea board to purchase by mortgaging their brain to Guardiola. The first buggest fraud was Bakayoko that Chelsea rushed to go and purchase because Guardiola was coveting him. Go and hug your Bakayoko that Guardiola coveted. Foolish talk.

Honestly you are beginning to sound very daft.

Am I relying on only Guardiola? What about the Sarri I mentioned, what about Mancini, or Mourinho or our very own Tuchel or even the millions of professionals who voted jorginho as one of the best players?

Who do you think you are?? Which kain brain? The brain that calls modric a mediocre player? Or the top 2 DM's right now "escorts" and highlights and average player like horjberg as better when he can't protect his leaky defense?

You are full of Blunders.

YOU KNOW NOTHING.
you've been posting passing stats for weeks now when we both know that jorginho carved a niche for himself as a pass master. Now he has reinvented himself even better, being part of a team that has played in 5 finals in 4 years.

His counterpart rodri who you also term an "escort" doing the same for his team.

This is called blind arrogance. Delusions of grandeur.
If you so much believe in stats, show me kante's stats that mark him as one of the best midfielders in the last 3 years.

Ibime:


I don't think that guy knows anything about midfield. His own is just to hail whoever Pep signs or tried to sign. He won't even stop commenting how Pep tried to sign Jorginho. That's the first reason for his deification of Jorginho without engaging his eyes. Even when Tuchel turned Jorginho to water carrier, he still believed Jorginho was a midfield controller. If Pep had signed Bakayoko as he wanted, don't be surprised, this guy would be hailing Bakayoko as the best midfielder in the world. Some people mortgage their brain to anything Pep, Barca or Man-City because they have no understanding of what they are watching.

Macherano was very poor is his later Liverpool career, and poor as a midfielder at Barca. He earned his coin at centre back. He was always outplayed for Argentina and was a dysfunctional midfielder for them. Where Mascherano played well was the early part of his Liverpool career but he lost it all of a sudden. Maybe it was Alonso that made him look good sef. Mascherano was a fast and combative midfielder. I'm surprised he put him with Pirlo and co. Sometimes we'll be discussing with people not knowing their level.of understanding is basic. Maybe it's grammar that make them seem knowledgeable at times.

He had mentioned it in the past, i thought he made a mistake and i overlooked it. No sane viewer will say Mascherano was slow even at Barca when he was playing regularly.

donjazet:
We know that jorginho is an excellent passer of the ball. He did this perfectly under Sarri at Napoli and even when Sarri wanted to implement his philosophy with us here.

I remember jorginho even shortly setting a record for number of passes in a match then.

Now he's game has evolved According to his managers system and instead of us to acknowledge this, this small powerless minority of the fan base keep barrelling the loudest.

Yes jorginho is an excellent passer of back passing, and low risk passes .

lordfalcao:
In all the matches that we struggled to win. Jorginho was the most passer..

That’s mildfield controlling by ibime logic

Ibime is suffering from delusions of grandeur.

He had just been deceiving himself. Imagine deluding yourself into thinking that you know better than the best people in a professional field. acute delusions. It's what we call ITK. I too know. Someone who knows nothing will just be making noise and forming knowledge.

nihilistjnr:
https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/features/2020/7/17/21328060/jorginho

This guy really took his time to analyse Jorginho game, with loads of video evidence.

His conclusion after a lengthy analysis was that Jorginho can't defend, hides from passes under pressure, cant run, congests space Infront ball carrier, etc.

I have to say I agree with this analysis whole heartedly.

I will gladly accept a Jorginho/Hojberg's swap deal.

donjazet:


So since Xabi alonso, mascherano, pirlo, busquet,carrick were all slow, they were useless escorts right?? Irrespective of their other contributions to their team?

Do me a favour and don't call jorginho's name along this brilliant maestro. They are all brilliant, jorginho is dull.

donjazet:

If you so much believe in stats, show me kante's stats that mark him as one of the best midfielders in the last 3 years.

Kante never positioned himself as pass master but there are stats beyond your level that we reference sometimes.

For Kante, I will look at no of sprints, recovery runs and sprint speed. That is what he uses to differentiate himself as a midfielder and his selling point, unlike Jorginho who claim his selling point is passing and we don't see him anywhere near the passing charts in his.moment of success.

When he was on the passing chart, Chelsea was failing, which shows his key strength was useless to us. He only padded against weak opposition.

When you use stats, use it with sense. Reason I didn't answer Segedinho when he brought stats about number of tackles etc that are not all that relevant to how I look at midfielders. But if a player is a controller, look at his passing stats. If he's a runner like Kante, check his running stats..if he's a creator like DeBruyne, check his assists, chance created, through balls.

Some players are great by being 7/10 in everything. But you can't be a specialist with one skill like Jorginho or Rodri or Busquet and expect us to overlook your pass volume stats.

airmark:


I will gladly accept a Jorginho/Hojberg's swap deal.

i will gladly accept a lukaku/belloti swap deal..