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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kilishihunter: 7:51pm On Jun 20, 2023
Android17:
2 things is;

1. The Stones-Rodri dynamics just started in the 2nd half of the season but Rodri had held his own from last season as well.

2. People are responding like anyone said Busquets was inferior to Rodri. I did not. Sometimes evolution does not mean "better version". It could just mean more adaptable.

Do you know Pep reverted to his Cryuffian tactics in the 2nd half of the UCL final? That means that Rodri played the Busquets role in the 2nd half when his performance improved. Rodri can hold his own in that role without Stones as an anchor. He has proven it many times.

See it like 2 different GOAT level boxers. Their styles are different. Rodri interprets his role differently than Busquets would have. If Rodri played for Barca of 2008-2012 for instance, the midfield may have had less flair and absolute control but Rodri would have had more assists and goals than Busquets.
See chief the reason why we are defending busquets is not really vs rodri, I personally believe rodri has the temerity to be the more recognized CDM by the time he hangs his boot since he's playing under a great coach and the best team in Europe currently but that doesn't mean we'll allow every disrespect over him to slide just like how each and every one of us will do to each of our favorite players and club legends, Busquets is like one of the few 21st century pioneer, a forerunner to the 2 in 1 (Regista + Defensive midfielder who actually did lots of defensive work for others to operate) roles the new cats like Rodri and co are improving on to bypass him

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 7:58pm On Jun 20, 2023
Lakaka collect your sub grin

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 7:58pm On Jun 20, 2023
Kilishihunter:

Pirlo that gattuso or matuidi was his bodyguard, busquets was both a deep lying playmaker and a defensive midfielder, Can we then put pirlo's defensive abilities besides busquets?
Oga You play too much eeh grin
The DM position covers two profiles, the destroyer/ ball-winner and the DLP/ Controller profiles. Busquets is more of a destroyer even though he has playmaking capabilities, which was more visible in his game in the latter stages of his career. Pirlo on the other hand was more of a DLP than a destroyer. They call them regista in Italy

Busquets was better than Pirlo defensively, but everything else Pirlo kill am.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 7:59pm On Jun 20, 2023
Fulham have slapped a massive £90M price tag on João Palhinha as West Ham target the midfielder to replace Declan Rice.

This is mad, to think we thought Palhinha would be an easier acquisition. Football needs to regulate how much a player is sold, a player shouldn't be valued double there market value. Some players suffer from such outrageous evaluations by their clubs
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 8:02pm On Jun 20, 2023
BlueAngel444:
he brought Chelsea down by buying 600m worth of players, abi by dashing out players u guys wanted out? Abeg explain it to us let it make sense. Boehly f up was in replacing Tuchel

Celebrating progress is not a bad thing, is it? Nkunku is not a player with experience? Between Badiashile and Koulibaly who has more experience yet who do u want to start and whom do u want sold. Ur talking experience like it's not the same experienced players that finished Chelsea at trophless 12th.

Nobody told u to wait 3yrs o, so don't act like an over engaged chick. You can choose to be sad or even hopeless about the changes but leave others to celebrate na.

Seeing as u rate the team in West ham and Tottenham
lol. No be you again? Na you nah. Nothing has changed. grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kilishihunter: 8:02pm On Jun 20, 2023
pkasso:
The DM position covers two profiles, the destroyer/ ball-winner and the DLP/ Controller profiles. Busquets is more of a destroyer even though he has playmaking capabilities, which was more visible in his game in the latter stages of his career. Pirlo on the other hand was more of a DLP than a destroyer. They call them regista in Italy

Busquets was better than Pirlo defensively, but everything else Pirlo kill am.
No wahala chief, But if we are going to compare pirlo with another player it has to be with somebody more advanced and offensive in his gameplay cause he's nowhere as good defensively as busquets while the latter too isn't as good as Pirlo with moving the ball to wide and key areas, Pirlo was a CDM who played mostly like a CM, DLP like you said, Same role as Xabi Alonso and jorginho
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 8:04pm On Jun 20, 2023
airmark:


Since you have another team in Spain you are supporting, no true Chelsea fan should take you serious.
wait, she get another team for Spain wey she dey support? No wonder.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 8:09pm On Jun 20, 2023
andrewbaba44:

Carrick is good and very underrated ,but was never on busi levels 👌

Still wondered why he never won more than 34 caps for England in a 15 year period
England were obsessed with playing 8's and B2B midfield runners. Their stupid managers would try to shoehorn Scholes, Lampard Gerrard in their 442. going as far as playing Scholes at LM. Carrick was a different breed of DM, and the coaches couldn't see what was in front of them. If he was Spanish, he would get the same hype as Busquets. Even till today, Southgate still laments the dearth of ball-playing 6's in English football. The only one close enough is Rice, and his passing and build-up play is average.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 8:15pm On Jun 20, 2023
pkasso:
England were obsessed with playing 8's and B2B midfield runners. Their stupid managers would try to shoehorn Scholes, Lampard Gerrard in their 442. going as far as playing Scholes at LM. Carrick was a different breed of DM, and the coaches couldn't see what was in front of them. If he was Spanish, he would get the same hype as Busquets. Even till today, Southgate still laments the dearth of ball-playing 6's in English football. The only one close enough is Rice, and his passing and build-up play is average.

Maybe to set it up to suit Gerard ans lampard

England managers and their set ups sha ,South Gate don copy pep Dey play arnold for midfield grin

Even gareth Barry was more regular for the national team than carrick ,not taking anything away from Barry though

Michael carrick is one of the most underrated English player out there
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 8:30pm On Jun 20, 2023
Deco going to get rewarded for being a faithful servant to Barca. New director post

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 8:33pm On Jun 20, 2023
andrewbaba44:


Maybe to set it up to suit Gerard ans lampard

England managers and their set ups sha ,South Gate don copy pep Dey play arnold for midfield grin

Even gareth Barry was more regular for the national team than carrick ,not taking anything away from Barry though

Michael carrick is one of the most underrated English player out there
Even me wey no be coach know say that setup no fit work. Lamps and Stevie G had similar profiles. It should have been one of them, not both. Their Golden Generation would have done a lot better, if they had better coaches. World-class talent from front to back. Just imagine someone like Klopp or even Tuchel handling that team. Na die.

Even the Capello they brought in was too old-school, dey carry 90's tactics when football was heading in another direction. Everybody dey try different systems, but England still dey play old-school 442.

Barry na your stereotypical hardworking, strong English midfielder. He had a bit of technique, but was nowhere near Carrick. Rice is the closest thing to him in today's England team.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 8:41pm On Jun 20, 2023
pkasso:
Even me wey no be coach know say that setup no fit work. Lamps and Stevie G had similar profiles. It should have been one of them, not both. Their Golden Generation would have done a lot better, if they had better coaches. World-class talent from front to back. Just imagine someone like Klopp or even Tuchel handling that team. Na die.

Even the Capello they brought in was too old-school, dey carry 90's tactics when football was heading in another direction. Everybody dey try different systems, but England still dey play old-school 442.

Barry na your stereotypical hardworking, strong English midfielder. He had a bit of technique, but was nowhere near Carrick. Rice is the closest thing to him in today's England team.

Capello wey Dey implement tactics like septuagenarian then grin

They wasted their golden generation ,I think it was only the Spanish that have better talents than them then ,they weren’t even far apart

They have another golden generation now ,South Gate have done his best though ,they are only behind France and Portugal in terms of talent ,but i still think they won’t still win anything ,a tactically sound coach would have destroyed Italy at the euro 2020 final

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 8:46pm On Jun 20, 2023
BlueAngel444:
Deco going to get rewarded for being a faithful servant to Barca. New director post

He deserves it

Man made getting victor Roque so easier
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 9:10pm On Jun 20, 2023
Greatihex:
wait, she get another team for Spain wey she dey support? No wonder.

He/She is a Madrid fan.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 9:13pm On Jun 20, 2023
andrewbaba44:


Capello wey Dey implement tactics like septuagenarian then grin

They wasted their golden generation ,I think it was only the Spanish that have better talents than them then ,they weren’t even far apart

They have another golden generation now ,South Gate have done his best though ,they are only behind France and Portugal in terms of talent ,but i still think they won’t still win anything ,a tactically sound coach would have destroyed Italy at the euro 2020 final
This generation no Golden kan kan, maybe Bronzed sha grin Kane is the only true world-class player they have. Rashford, Sterling, Grealish are just pretenders. I have high hopes for Foden and Saka though.

England have been really good these last few years. It's just been a matter of getting over the line. Southgate dey try, even if most people won't agree.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 9:14pm On Jun 20, 2023
TLona1:


I like the way you put it. The problem is how they're trying to downplay Busquests' abilities and making it look like he didn't play his part during the glory days of Barca.

His last line subtly informed you that Busquets was never made for the biggest club football match, without his meruwas - Xavi and Iniesta.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueMann: 9:39pm On Jun 20, 2023
Germany don cast
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 9:45pm On Jun 20, 2023
BlueMann:
Germany don cast

They haven’t been the same since they did this rubbish grin

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 9:46pm On Jun 20, 2023
BlueMann:
Germany don cast
Walahi. . Don't wanna be Hansi Flick right now. The guy head go dey hot. He might not make it to the Euros.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 9:51pm On Jun 20, 2023
So lakaka scored 75 international goals with 11 only coming from major tournaments

Europe na fraud grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Capaldi: 10:14pm On Jun 20, 2023
4 wins in their last 16 matches. If Germany like they should not sack that fraud called Hansi Flick before the Euros.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 10:15pm On Jun 20, 2023
Brazil cannot beat Morocco and still cannot beat Senegal

Overrated bozos grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kilishihunter: 10:21pm On Jun 20, 2023
andrewbaba44:
Brazil cannot beat Morocco and still cannot beat Senegal

Overrated bozos grin
Raphinha no play cheesy

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ballzproblem2: 10:23pm On Jun 20, 2023
nkunku confirmed, caicedo soon ,veiga as back up for nkunku (if the deal goes through), Jackson as our main striker instead of spending 100m on another stirkee.

Then we are ready to cook
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ballzproblem2: 10:25pm On Jun 20, 2023
Thomas party currently speaking to Saudi Arabia club ,no noise but if na Chelsea I no go hear word the hypocrisy stinks!
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 10:44pm On Jun 20, 2023
Android17:
I never waded into the conversation about who is better etc. so maybe you should be sure what you are replying to. But I can categorically tell you that Pep Guardiola will not start Busquets over Rodri against Inter like he did not start Walker over Akanji. It is not even debatable.

I was very sure about my response “Dey play”. Be it against inter Milan,real Madrid or Genk or fc twente, there is no way Rodri will get the nod ahead of Busquet under Pep. Somethings are just impossible to imagine. Busquet is an embodiment of pep guardiola philosophy. Rodri is a lesser version of Busquet,so are you telling me Pep Guardiola will use a lesser version when there is the real version in the most important game?

And about the issue of Walker,i had wanted to ask you since the UCL finals but i decided to let the sleeping dog 🐕 lie but since you brought it up, then i will be force to ask you how does it sound that Walker whom you claim is the most IMPORTANT player to pep guardiola set up in this current city side is left to sit on the bench in the most IMPORTANT game of pep guardiola and the club?

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 11:09pm On Jun 20, 2023
Kilishihunter:

Raphinha no play cheesy

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by popizaino(m): 11:52pm On Jun 20, 2023
Who will tell pochettino to get us Gift Orban pls? We can loan till he fully develops.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ballzproblem2: 12:07am On Jun 21, 2023
Chelsea fans on Twitter complaining about veiga on Twitter,your fans too like wahala you want us to spend 70m o Dominik Szoboszlai ,a back up player for that matter, besides poch specifically asked for him what happened to "back the manager" mantra.

The period of chopping Chelsea mugu don pass as you ask inter Milan hw far.
shey we never abandon their 80m onana and Martinez?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ballzproblem2: 12:10am On Jun 21, 2023
Callum Hudson-Odoi has been approached by two Saudi Arabia clubs. Talks are yet to start with the #Chelsea winger. It's unclear if Hudson-Odoi would be open to a move.

[via @FabrizioRomano]

finished player ☠️.


I'm seriously happy for saudi Arabia league revolution,it is better than buying rival clubs and making them stronger ,plus they're taking all our deadwoods.



SYMBIOSIS!
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Android17: 1:45am On Jun 21, 2023
popizaino:


I was very sure about my response “Dey play”. Be it against inter Milan,real Madrid or Genk or fc twente, there is no way Rodri will get the nod ahead of Busquet under Pep. Somethings are just impossible to imagine. Busquet is an embodiment of pep guardiola philosophy. Rodri is a lesser version of Busquet,so are you telling me Pep Guardiola will use a lesser version when there is the real version in the most important game?
Sorry but this is just opinion and you know what they say about opinions. . .
And about the issue of Walker,i had wanted to ask you since the UCL finals but i decided to let the sleeping dog 🐕 lie but since you brought it up, then i will be force to ask you how does it sound that Walker whom you claim is the most IMPORTANT player to pep guardiola set up in this current city side is left to sit on the bench in the most IMPORTANT game of pep guardiola and the club?
Guardiola changed his setup this season like he does every season since he became a manager. So we may have to compartmentalize your argument. I answered that question last season and it was proven many times especially when City lost to RM in the UCL SF last season.

This season, Pep changed again and in the new setup Walker became less critical or vital. Pep not only said it publicly, Walker had to field questions related to it.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Android17: 2:02am On Jun 21, 2023
Kilishihunter:

See chief the reason why we are defending busquets is not really vs rodri, I personally believe rodri has the temerity to be the more recognized CDM by the time he hangs his boot since he's playing under a great coach and the best team in Europe currently but that doesn't mean we'll allow every disrespect over him to slide just like how each and every one of us will do to each of our favorite players and club legends, Busquets is like one of the few 21st century pioneer, a forerunner to the 2 in 1 (Regista + Defensive midfielder who actually did lots of defensive work for others to operate) roles the new cats like Rodri and co are improving on to bypass him
Busquets is more press-resistant than Rodri for example and that skill is a differentiator and why, IMHO Busquets was perfect for the original Pep system. But is Busquets good at handling the second ball or duels for headers? How strong was he one versus one? Rodri has more of those in his repertoire and as we would later see about that Barca, strong, agile, physical teams that used the second ball gave them a lot of problems. That problem does not affect City as much and that is largely because of Rodri.

That Barca team was a specialist team but this City team is like a Swiss army knife and I think Busquets and Rodri are microcosms of those attributes. Barca had to be perfect to win games (and of course, they were perfect most of the time) but this City could win games playing poorly because they found other ways to contribute and that is representative of Busquets and Rodri. Busquets is more of a natural than Rodri but he [Sergio] becomes a liability when his press resistance, quick-thinking and sleek short passes are not needed in a game (like when the team needs to score to win or come back from a deficit). But Rodri has found ways to contribute even when not playing at his best and he is absolutely lethal at headers from set-pieces and long-range shots (think Aston Villa vs City season decider) and so on.

Busquets is the original. Without him there is no Rodri but the evolution of soccer has fossilized his way of doing things. Rodri is the version of Busquets that has adapted to the modern game. You can decide which you prefer depending on how you want to play or who is playing against you.

Forgive my word salad abeg.

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