airmark:


And your great Jackson scored how many goals in both matches?

One of the reasons I asked us to fix the attack in January, was because the Jackson we have as our top 9, is not even qualified to be our top striker and we needed a replacement to rescue the season asap.
No alternative as your Jackson kept on stinking the joints weekly, with irritating displays in front of goal.

Palmer should stop feeding your useless Senegalese balls as he is clueless and wasteful. Maybe we should convert Gallagher to replace the flop upfront sef.

So the temporary fix is no longer benching Sterling?

Lana1:
100% facts!!

Didn't read any of that, but sorry your dog died, my guy.

larride:
The funny thing be say both sides has solid point.

The kuku is that both your attack and your defense are trash.

Not really.

One problem is manageable, the other is utterly obdurate. There is nothing anyone else has to say here and I’ll buy it.

Men and women may lie but figures don’t lie. Go through our stats, we’ve ‘managed’ to average 1.83 goals scored per match this season - 0.87 in the first half and 0.97 in the second half. Now see why it’s realistically a manageable situation. One may argue that we should be punching above those numbers if not for profligacy and disoriented play upfield, which honestly is true but on the flip side, 1.83 goals per game is realistically ENOUGH to win you a game if you have an astute defense. However, in our case we get to average an abysmal 1.73 goals conceded per game this season - 0.63 in the first half and 1.10 in the second half. Chelsea’s BTTS (Both teams to score) percentage this season is an outrageous 70%. Abeg Oga Larride, how do you manage such numbers?

My guys here who are saying you get it done by outscoring your opponents are bringing a shortsighted fix plan to the table. Going by every metric out there, we can never outscore any team because our defense will end up undoing whatever genius you’ve displayed on that third half.

How many top teams across Europe’s top five leagues are averaging 1.73 goals conceded every game? A club like Chelsea are doing 50+ conceded goals with 6-7 more games to play in a single season and you’re pointing accusing fingers at the attack, mate you’re high on some meth.

Cmon let’s stop playing here and face the reality before us. Na those carpenters they brought here who are masking themselves as defenders be our major and primary problem. Scoring more goals or outscoring your opponent is a secondary problem which wouldn’t have risen if you had kept a clean sheet or kept the goal fest low.

If this was our attack:

Palmer Haaland Vinicius

We’ll definitely score goals, and everyone will be happy right? Well, not until Disasi, Badiashile or even Sanchez happens!

That’s a short summary of our season.

If dem add an extra 2 minutes after Palmer grabbed his hat trick against manyoo to give us the lead, the devils go still equalize that ball 4-4.

Clowns!

User09:


Like I mentioned earlier.

I still dont understand the reason for the back and forth arguments on attack vs defence when the answer as to why we are where we are currently in the league table is in the above link.

At least data doesnt lie. One thousand back and forths wouldnt change the reality

Don't even think they will click on that link when it will automatically end their agenda.

swiz123:


Don't even think they will click on that link when it will automatically end their agenda.

One is good and one is poor. Na white man get that site and na him talk am and him no follow us dey for this thread.

Check:

Griffon:


Not really.

One problem is manageable, the other is utterly obdurate. There is nothing anyone else has to say here and I’ll buy it.

Men and women may lie but figures don’t lie. Go through our stats, we’ve ‘managed’ to average 1.83 goals scored per match this season - 0.87 in the first half and 0.97 in the second half. Now see why it’s realistically a manageable situation. One may argue that we should be punching above those numbers if not for profligacy and disoriented play upfield, which honestly is true but on the flip side, 1.83 goals per game is realistically ENOUGH to win you a game if you have an astute defense. However, in our case we get to average an abysmal 1.73 goals conceded per game this season - 0.63 in the first half and 1.10 in the second half. Chelsea’s BTTS (Both teams to score) percentage this season is an outrageous 70%. Abeg Oga Larride, how do you manage such numbers?

My guys here who are saying you get it done by outscoring your opponents are bringing a shortsighted fix plan to the table. Going by every metric out there, we can never outscore any team because our defense will end up outdoing whatever genius you’ve displayed on that third half.

How many top teams across Europe’s top five leagues are averaging 1.73 goals conceded every game? A club like Chelsea are doing 50+ conceded goals with 6-7 more games to play in a single season and you’re pointing accusing fingers at the attack, mate you’re high on some meth.

Cmon let’s stop playing here and face the reality before us. Na those carpenters they brought here who are masking themselves as defenders be our major and primary problem. Scoring more goals or outscoring your opponent is a secondary problem which wouldn’t have risen if you had kept a clean sheet or kept the goal fest low.

This is the gospel truth
There's a reason our past few wins have come from goals scored in the last 10mins where it hard for the opponent to score back

Griffon:


One is good and one is poor. Na white man get that site and na him talk am and him no follow us dey for this thread.

Check:

But on this thread we have Airmark the troll, Nihilistjnr the poor statistician and Popizaino the cricket scoreline enthusiast.

I don't know which of them is worse. The first shouldn't be taken seriously, the second can still be convinced and third can be encouraged to abandon this sport because it is not his thing, cricket is.

Griffon:
If dem add an extra 2 minutes after Palmer grabbed his hat trick against manyoo to give us the lead, the devils go still equalize that ball 4-4.

Clowns!

I've been shouting this since

We scored three against Luton and the defence threw it away

We only survived because of offside

Leicester, Newcastle, crystal palace,Man u

We threw away leads and were only lucky coz we scored in the dying minutes of the game

Griffon:


Not really.

One problem is manageable, the other is utterly obdurate. There is nothing anyone else has to say here and I’ll buy it.

Men and women may lie but figures don’t lie. Go through our stats, we’ve ‘managed’ to average 1.83 goals scored per match this season - 0.87 in the first half and 0.97 in the second half. Now see why it’s realistically a manageable situation. One may argue that we should be punching above those numbers if not for profligacy and disoriented play upfield, which honestly is true but on the flip side, 1.83 goals per game is realistically ENOUGH to win you a game if you have an astute defense. However, in our case we get to average an abysmal 1.73 goals conceded per game this season - 0.63 in the first half and 1.10 in the second half. Chelsea’s BTTS (Both teams to score) percentage this season is an outrageous 70%. Abeg Oga Larride, how do you manage such numbers?

My guys here who are saying you get it done by outscoring your opponents are bringing a shortsighted fix plan to the table. Going by every metric out there, we can never outscore any team because our defense will end up outdoing whatever genius you’ve displayed on that third half.

How many top teams across Europe’s top five leagues are averaging 1.73 goals conceded every game? A club like Chelsea are doing 50+ conceded goals with 6-7 more games to play in a single season and you’re pointing accusing fingers at the attack, mate you’re high on some meth.

Cmon let’s stop playing here and face the reality before us. Na those carpenters they brought here who are masking themselves as defenders be our major and primary problem. Scoring more goals or outscoring your opponent is a secondary problem which wouldn’t have risen if you had kept a clean sheet or kept the goal fest low.

All of this makes sense until you look at thr facts of yesterday's match.

Sheffield created more chances than us: 10 key passes vs 6
They had more shots than us: 11 vs 6
They had more shots on target than us: 6 vs 3
They won more aerial balls than us: 23 vs 21


By every attacking metric, they dominated us. Our 40 year old centreback had more shots (1) in the game, than our lead striker (0) against an opponent that has conceded 82 goals.

And that's why I'm not buying any nonsense argument that we did enough to win the game, when actually they did more.

Its gotten to thr point where niggas are beginning to ask why we shouldn't be prioritising protecting a lead against Sheffield for God's sake.

People shouting about City, won't see that City conceded 2 goals against Palace on Saturday but won 4-2.

How on earth are niggas complaining that we did not protect lead against Sheffield? Team wey we suppose dey give 3 goal head start, before trashing.

This is what our mates are doing. Then there's us looking for cleansheet...against Sheffield?!

nihilistjnr:


All of this makes sense until you look at thr facts of yesterday's match.

Sheffield created more chances than us: 10 key passes vs 6
They had more shots than us: 11 vs 6
They had more shots on target than us: 6 vs 3
They won more aerial balls than us: 23 vs 21


By every attacking metric, they dominated us. Our 40 year old centreback had more shots (1) in the game, than our lead striker (0) against an opponent that has conceded 82 goals.

And that's why I'm not buying any nonsense argument that we did enough to win the game, when actually they did more.

Its gotten to thr point where niggas are beginning to ask why we shouldn't be prioritising protecting a lead against Sheffield for God's sake.

People shouting about City, won't see that City conceded 2 goals against Palace on Saturday but won 4-2.

How on earth are niggas complaining that we did not protect lead against Sheffield? Team wey we suppose dey give 3 goal head start, before trashing.

This is what our mates are doing. Then there's us looking for cleansheet...against Sheffield?!

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

When it has turned out that we can’t forward more than four goals or get to do an Aston Villa or Burnley against Sheffield, but can score at least two, doesn’t it rest with the defenders to carry out their primary duty?

Your claim is valid but it isn’t sufficient. We didn’t score four or five but we scored and not once, but twice, same as the free scoring City.

At this point what you should be asking yourself is what were Chelsea doing to concede twice against the leagues worst attack.

This team might be young and full of inexperience.

But the structures and fundamentals are wrong..

Pochettino is a poor coach.

Griffon:


Two wrongs don’t make a right.

When it has turned out that we can’t forward more than four goals or get to do an Aston Villa or Burnley against Sheffield, but can score at least two, doesn’t it rest with the defenders to carry out their primary duty?

Your claim is valid but it isn’t sufficient. We didn’t score four or five but we scored and not once, but twice, same as the free scoring City.

At this point what you should be asking yourself is what were Chelsea doing to concede twice against the leagues worst attack.

Your argument makes zero sense.

If you think Chelsea deserve to win because they scored from a corner and a speculative shot at a patently shït keeper , then I don't know how you can rationalize an argument that Sheffield deserved to lose a game where they did better than us attacking wise.

The only logical outcome of your argument is that we should have parked the bus after going 2-1 up against Sheffield, and that is A position I can never agree with. So I'm quite happy to leave it there.

Sheffield literally netted Liverpool only 3 days before yesterday. And instead of trying to protect their eventual 2-1 lead, Liverpool fired another one in. Both in the final 8 minutes of the game.

Sheffield conceded an average of 25 shots in each of their last 3 games. We went there and shot only 6 times, 2 of which were speculative shots into row Z from Gallagher and Madueke.

We are not the first team to go to Sheffield and concede 2 goals this season. However we are the only team in the whole league, and in the whole season to post worse attacking stats than the team YOU describe as having the worst attack in the league.

Sheffield having more xG than us is diabolical. A vision from the deepest crack in the darkest, furthest corner of the 7th circle of hell.

nihilistjnr:


Your argument makes zero sense.

If you think Chelsea deserve to win because they scored from a corner and a speculative shot at a patently shït keeper , then I don't know how you can rationalize an argument that Sheffield deserved to lose a game where they did better than us attacking wise.

The only logical outcome of your argument is that we should have parked the bus after going 2-1 up against Sheffield, and that is A position I can never agree with. So I'm quite happy to leave it there.

Sheffield literally netted Liverpool only 3 days before yesterday. And instead of trying to protect their eventual 2-1 lead, Liverpool fired another one in. Both in the final 8 minutes of the game.

Sheffield conceded an average of 25 shots in each of their last 3 games. We went there and shot only 6 times, 2 of which were speculative shots into row Z from Gallagher and Madueke.

We are not the first team to go to Sheffield and concede 2 goals this season. However we are the only team in the whole league, and in the whole season to post worse attacking stats than the team YOU describe as having the worst attack in the league.

You’re still clutching at straws mate.

Worse attacking stats is for the reading, did we score two goals or not?

Did we have our noses ahead twice in the game or not?

I’m not a fancy footie manager, I don’t care if Sheffield have been conceding gazillion goals every game, if my team can score twice in the game and still couldn’t hold onto those leads, then I’ll be looking at my defense.

You making a case for that defense is an eyesore.

drisham:

I've been shouting this since

We scored three against Luton and the defence threw it away

We only survived because of offside

Leicester, Newcastle, crystal palace,Man u

We threw away leads and were only lucky coz we scored in the dying minutes of the game

Now why can't we maintain that intensity especially after going 1 or 2 goals up , this is sad.

Griffon:


You’re still clutching at straws mate.

Worse attacking stats is for the reading, did we score two goals or not?

Did we have our noses ahead twice in the game or not?

I’m not a fancy footie manager, I don’t care if Sheffield have been conceding gazillion goals every game, if my team can score twice in the game and still couldn’t hold onto those leads, then I’ll be looking at my defense.

You making a case for that defense is an eyesore.

Which is why I said, if your argument is that you want to lock up shop after scoring 2 fortunate goals against Sheffield, rather than question how on earth Nicolas Jackson managed to play almost the entire game without kicking a ball in anger in their keeper's direction, then me and you have nothing further to discuss...our ideas of football are too different.

If we aren't questioning how we failed to batter Sheffield on account of roku-ing some dagbo goals, then let's move to discussing the positives abeg. At least we are unbeaten after playing the 19th and 20th placed teams in the league. We thank Jah for small mercies.

swiz123:


Popizaino the cricket scoreline, third can be encouraged to abandon this sport because it is not his thing, cricket is.

Wetin be this 😂😂😂

I won't make a case of Poch yet because individual errors or brainfarts has been our undoing most this season, this is not about the Sheffield game. Attack, midfield n defense will just down tools and the opposition will just run over us. Enzo n caciedo pairing is hardly working.
But Poch has raised our game, we've played the top 8 teams, even played some off the park till we started our usual gift..unlike last season we barely put in fights in games.
But you see this near misses, its more painful knowing that the other team will likely equalise.

Against City/Liverpool/Arsenal, most teams won't attack for fear of the attackers those teams parade...

The best way to defend is to attack. City/Liveepool/Arsenal might win 1 vs 2 and still look more comfortable than Manchester United or Chelsea when they win with the same score line. If your attackers don't make the opponent scared of bombing forward then, your defenders are in for it...

dostr4:
I won't make a case of Poch yet because individual errors or brainfarts has been our undoing most this season, this is not about the Sheffield game. Attack, midfield n defense will just down tools and the opposition will just run over us. Enzo n caciedo pairing is hardly working.
But Poch has raised our game, we've played the top 8 teams, even played some off the park till we started our usual gift..unlike last season we barely put in fights in games.
But you see this near misses, its more painful knowing that the other team will likely equalise.

This!!!
This is another thing I was talking about no communication in midfield or that no one wants to take responsibility.

patrickmuf:
Against City/Liverpool/Arsenal, most teams won't attack for fear of the attackers those teams parade...

The best way to defend is to attack. City/Liveepool/Arsenal might win 1 vs 2 and still look more comfortable than Manchester United or Chelsea when they win with the same score line. If your attackers don't make the opponent scared of bombing forward then, your defenders are in for it...

Aside that sef, the pressing structure of those three clubs won't even give you a chance to go upfield unlike Man u and Chelsea.

Structurally, something is wrong with those two clubs and until it's sorted out, they'll keep on conceding goals. I mean at a certain point when both of you played midweek, I was seeing donut formation.

Teams will always have hope when they can easily bypass the first press and Midfield

lordfalcao:
This team might be young and full of inexperience.

But the structures and fundamentals are wrong..

Pochettino is a poor coach.

Gospel truth, fans advocating for buying new defenders don't know that it's more of a structural problem than a personnel problem. We all saw what tuchel turned our leaky defence to within three match days.

[/b]l have been thinking since yesterday if Chelsea would have won UCL 2021 with the amount of goals we are conceding this season.

And the answer is capital No

We won real Madrid and mancity because the defense was pretty good.

Even mancity scored only 2 goals and end up winning 2:0 against this Sheffield united

This certainly ends the dabate

nihilistjnr:


All of this makes sense until you look at thr facts of yesterday's match.

Sheffield created more chances than us: 10 key passes vs 6
They had more shots than us: 11 vs 6
They had more shots on target than us: 6 vs 3
They won more aerial balls than us: 23 vs 21


By every attacking metric, they dominated us. Our 40 year old centreback had more shots (1) in the game, than our lead striker (0) against an opponent that has conceded 82 goals.

And that's why I'm not buying any nonsense argument that we did enough to win the game, when actually they did more.

Its gotten to thr point where niggas are beginning to ask why we shouldn't be prioritising protecting a lead against Sheffield for God's sake.

People shouting about City, won't see that City conceded 2 goals against Palace on Saturday but won 4-2.

How on earth are niggas complaining that we did not protect lead against Sheffield? Team wey we suppose dey give 3 goal head start, before trashing.

This is what our mates are doing. Then there's us looking for cleansheet...against Sheffield?!

Very irritating to stomach. Fvcking Sheffield that Arsenal scored 6 against. That Aston Villa scored 5 against o.

Had the match ended 4-2 in our favour, would anyone be showing one useless goals conceded stats today?

nihilistjnr:


Which is why I said, if your argument is that you want to lock up shop after scoring 2 fortunate goals against Sheffield, rather than question how on earth Nicolas Jackson managed to play almost the entire game without kicking a ball in anger in their keeper's direction, then me and you have nothing further to discuss...our ideas of football are too different.

If we aren't questioning how we failed to batter Sheffield on account of roku-ing some dagbo goals, then let's move to discussing the positives abeg. At least we are unbeaten after playing the 19th and 20th placed teams in the league. We thank Jah for small mercies.

Sheffield that a striker like Osimhen, would want to use to increase his tally massively, the mumu Jackson was moving the ball away from goal like they swore for him.

I can't even mention a defender I know at Sheffield.

patrickmuf:
Against City/Liverpool/Arsenal, most teams won't attack for fear of the attackers those teams parade...

The best way to defend is to attack. City/Liveepool/Arsenal might win 1 vs 2 and still look more comfortable than Manchester United or Chelsea when they win with the same score line. If your attackers don't make the opponent scared of bombing forward then, your defenders are in for it...

You are a wise man.

The guys shouting about Man City defence against Sheffield really have little understanding on how to analyse ball.

City had xG of 3.85 at Bramall Lane, meaning that with the quality of chances they created, they should have scored at least 1 more goal, and really the score line should have been closer to 4-1.

They absolutely smothered Sheffield, creating 25 key chances in the match, and peppered their goal with 30 shots.

Anybody saying City 'defended' their lead is a joker. I was there. Sheffield scored a fluke and then tried to put everybody inside their net if possible to defend it, but City attack ground them down into dust in the 90th minute.

Thats how you beat useless teams like this. Attack and press them to the point where their striker can't even make it to the centre circle, let alone upfield.

The fact that Chelsea can't do that is a new low. Possibly the lowest low I've witnessed with this club.

airmark:


Sheffield that a striker like Osimhen, would want to use to increase his tally massively, the mumu Jackson was moving the ball away from goal like they swore for him.

I can't even mention a defender I know at Sheffield.

He lost 8 duels and lost possession 21 times, but I read here that he showed excellent holdup play, passing and dribbling.

I know this is agendaland sha, but God damn, there's agenda and there's false prophecy.

patrickmuf:
Against City/Liverpool/Arsenal, most teams won't attack for fear of the attackers those teams parade...

The best way to defend is to attack. City/Liveepool/Arsenal might win 1 vs 2 and still look more comfortable than Manchester United or Chelsea when they win with the same score line. If your attackers don't make the opponent scared of bombing forward then, your defenders are in for it...

This is what flies over many people's heads.

Our opponents know that we have clowns as attackers, so they boldly attack us. They know Jackson may see 4 chances in the box and start 'counting legs' or he forgets the ball at the back.

When you remember how Barca with Messi, won major trophies with Valdes as keeper, you will be convinced that, 'attack is the best form of defence'. The same Valdes came to Man UTD and was relegated to developmental team and hurriedly retired.

airmark:


This is what flies over many people's heads.

Our opponents know that we have clowns as attackers, so they boldly attack us. They know Jackson may see 4 chances in the box and start 'counting legs' or he forgets the ball at the back.

When you remember how Barca with Messi, won major trophies with Valdes as keeper, you will be convinced that, 'attack is the best form of defence'. The same Valdes came to Man UTD and was relegated to developmental team and hurriedly retired.

Valdes came to united at age 35 after recovering from a long term injury ,no sane person expected him to bench a prime de gea who was easily the best epl gk then

He didn’t hurriedly retired ,he still went to Middlesbrough and was their first choice GK for the epl that season

Telling you this so you will try to get your facts right next time

Lastly attack isn’t the best form of defense ,you need a good defense and GK ,I remember this same Valdez denying chelsea 3 one on one Chances at the ucl in Stamford bridge ,if he was a useless GK like kepa and co there is no way you won’t win Barca in that game because your team dominated Barca

But there comes iniesta late winner because your attackers like fraudgba kept wasting chances all game and Valdes kept saving the ones he could

Once again your defense is pure trash ,even with brazillian tinubu back .

Griffon:


Not really.

One problem is manageable, the other is utterly obdurate. There is nothing anyone else has to say here and I’ll buy it.

Men and women may lie but figures don’t lie. Go through our stats, we’ve ‘managed’ to average 1.83 goals scored per match this season - 0.87 in the first half and 0.97 in the second half. Now see why it’s realistically a manageable situation. One may argue that we should be punching above those numbers if not for profligacy and disoriented play upfield, which honestly is true but on the flip side, 1.83 goals per game is realistically ENOUGH to win you a game if you have an astute defense. However, in our case we get to average an abysmal 1.73 goals conceded per game this season - 0.63 in the first half and 1.10 in the second half. Chelsea’s BTTS (Both teams to score) percentage this season is an outrageous 70%. Abeg Oga Larride, how do you manage such numbers?

My guys here who are saying you get it done by outscoring your opponents are bringing a shortsighted fix plan to the table. Going by every metric out there, we can never outscore any team because our defense will end up undoing whatever genius you’ve displayed on that third half.

How many top teams across Europe’s top five leagues are averaging 1.73 goals conceded every game? A club like Chelsea are doing 50+ conceded goals with 6-7 more games to play in a single season and you’re pointing accusing fingers at the attack, mate you’re high on some meth.

Cmon let’s stop playing here and face the reality before us. Na those carpenters they brought here who are masking themselves as defenders be our major and primary problem. Scoring more goals or outscoring your opponent is a secondary problem which wouldn’t have risen if you had kept a clean sheet or kept the goal fest low.

Your attack is as trash as your defenders. If not for Cole Palmer, you guys will be battling relegation currently. Look at yesterday game, your striker had 0 shot in the entire match. What has Murdyk, Sterling, Madueke, Jackson and Nkunku offered so far in the league? Combine all their goals together and its 24 goals in 30 games. Palmer alone has 16

Your defense is also trash as they are conceding goals at the speed of light. You need better RB and CBs partnership.

Say what you want to say but both side of the argument are right. Your attack and defense are trash.

andrewbaba44:


Valdes came to united at age 35 after recovering from a long term injury ,no sane person expected him to bench a prime de gea who was easily the best epl gk then

He didn’t hurriedly retired ,he still went to Middlesbrough and was their first choice GK for the epl that season

Telling you this so you will try to get your facts right next time

Lastly attack isn’t the best form of defense ,you need a good defense and GK ,I remember this same Valdez denying chelsea 3 one on one Chances at the ucl in Stamford bridge ,if he was a useless GK like kepa and co there is no way you won’t win Barca in that game because your team dominated Barca

But there comes iniesta late winner because your attackers like fraudgba kept wasting chances all game and Valdes kept saving the ones he could

Once again your defense is pure trash ,even with brazillian tinubu back .

Valdes left Man UTD in 2016 and retired in 2017. That must be a long time to you, right?

Valdes before the so-called injury, was so great that he never made Fifa best XI. Let's clap for him for making the 4th team though. His best individual honour.