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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 11:14pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
elrony: You are now trapped so your best bet is to avoid your own argument. If Kroos being a starter for a team that won UCL back to back to back is the reason he is better than KDB why should that same reason not hold true when Navas and De Gea are involved? Bringing up RM trying to purchase DDG as a reason for him being better than Navas is my own argument. Because I am the one saying that KDB does everything midfielders should do, better than Kroos does it even if Kroos has won more as a footballer. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by madrid5: 11:17pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Eruditor:oh empasis on better?okay lets see kroos is better playmaker,more press resistant,more fotballing IQ,better passer,doesnt choke in big stage,kroos dictates play far more than KDB,yeah i give the ginger prince credit for more athleticm and goal scoring[considering he plays more higher the pitch than kroos in his average career since 2014 not suprising]ahhh anyway make i crash. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 11:18pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Eruditor: I have two questions for you.. At 28 what was xavi's achievement.. Then can you explain Kroos role in the madrid team? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 11:18pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
madrid5: His passing range is better. His shot taking is better. He is substantially more intelligent and makes better decisions under pressure. He assists more. Scores more. Covers more distance. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by elrony(m): 11:19pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Eruditor: Eruditor, Kroos over De Bruyne ! I stuck to the subject of discourse. Thanks! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by spartacus11(m): 11:20pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Yeah I'm waiting for the detailed response, i was shoked that this hazard mata don go far, when i saw d video i say i must show oga dayo dis to do counter attack |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 11:22pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Nihilstjnr:Who will not benefit from playing with Ororo?! Did he also benefit from ORORO IN 2014... Or did he benefit from Ororo when Bayern won the UCL.. No offence Nihilist but your argument doesn't make any real sense |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by madrid5: 11:22pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Eruditor:because he plays with better team mates(400 million teammates),a better coach ,thats why you think he is better |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 11:23pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
madrid5: At least we are getting somewhere. Kroos does not make plays. He is a perpetual recycler of the ball. Does not make risky passes. Is lazy on the ball and cannot mark to save his life. Kroos is quite intelligent, but he is not near as intelligent as KDB. If he was, he would make more assists which he cant because he does not see the game like KDB. Kroos is also not a better passer. He has range and accuracy, but where Kroos has to be told where to put the ball, KDB often sees it light years ahead. I have not seen any game where Kroos dictated the play except you are talking about Modric here. And KDB does not play higher up than Kroos. That is a big fat lie. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 11:23pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
madrid5: He did these things in Wolfsburg even before meeting Pep. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 11:25pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Again... I really don't get how this is even an argument... Like FFS!!! We talking bout Toni Kroos here |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 11:26pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
liveLongNprospa: Achievement is not ability. They are two distinct things entirely. That is why Manuel Neuer is a better keeper than Navas even though Navas has won the greatest club trophy (achievement) more times than Neuer. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kimbeast: 11:28pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
liveLongNprospa:And so. He is over rated as in he has always played surrounded by world class players (Bayern, Germany, Real) which has allowed him to show all of his strengths in possession and minimized his lack of ability off of it. He couldnt make a struggling team a contender like kdb did at wolfsburg with higher work rate and abilities off the ball. He is a side ways pass merchant. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by madrid5: 11:29pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Eruditor:just like kroos was already better than debruyne before he stepped foot on Madrid,so the useless modric and co dragged him to 3 champions league is a big nonsense,KDB is undoubtedly better than neves,but his levels are the Ericksons and coutihno of this world not a living legend. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 11:30pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Eruditor: Really? I will give you recent examples. The 2017/2018 round of 16 UCL against Napoli, I hope you remember that game, if not, look it up on YouTube. He was master class. Last gasp free kick against Sweden at the recently concluded world cup in Russia gave the German's 2nd round qualification hopes. He dominated that game and controlled the game from the middle of the park. I can go on and on.. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by madrid5: 11:31pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
liveLongNprospa:I am tired of this people, make we dey go abeg,lol,some just called kroos a sideway pass marchant,wentin we go call xavi? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by madrid5: 11:33pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Roland17:bros nor waste your strength a local champions like de bruyne is better than kroos for them no wahala |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Eruditor: 11:34pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
madrid5: Kroos was not..that is exactly what I am telling you and you cannot prove me wrong. Just the same way Peter Cech (at his current state) could have been RMs goals keeper instead of Kevlor Navas and RM could still have won the UCL. Carvahal got hurt against Liverpool and nothing changed. That is how inconsequential Kroos is. He is there to minimise mistakes in RMs midfield because he is a low risk midfielder who does the simple things very well. Finish. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by madrid5: 11:38pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Eruditor:so is Xavi a low risk midfielder who passes sideways and to busquest,Erikson is better than xavi |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 11:39pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Eruditor: Baba, There is absolutely no fact to the inferences you have made because they did not happen, consequently, they are not factual. No one knows for sure if Madrid would have won the title with Cech as a goalie but we know for sure that they won it with Navas and Kroos. This is not a case of could, would or may.. As far as records show, Kroos played was a starter for the title winning teams of Real Madrid. The mere fact that he stayed healthy to play all these games is a testament. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 11:40pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Thia is the just concluded UCL that had the so called peak KDB and the just good Kroos 5 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 11:46pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
liveLongNprospa: Pure and undiluted fact. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 11:48pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Roland17:I would love to see the explanation somebody will give me for this... I'm tryna get KDB's sqwaka data for the just completed WC to compare with Toni's 2014 WC but KDB isn't available |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 11:49pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Melvyn11:Why so pained? It has nothing to do with the EPL as your utterly myopic mind would have you think, it's based on talent and skill and that alone... 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 11:50pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
liveLongNprospa: Do you think they have not checked this stat? Oh trust me, they have but were disappointed, else they would have brandished it before you. The gulf in difference is not even close. KDB is even pulling negatives in some sections sef, that is how bad the gulf is. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 11:51pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
patrickmuf:The interpretation of skill and talent is purely subjective my brother. That is why, even if Hazard wins the World Cup, he would never be considered a great player in Dayo’s books. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 11:51pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Eruditor:I asked you a question Who achieved more at 28 between Toni and Xavi? And explain Toni's role for me if you really understand what he does on the field. You are quick to list out KDB's abilities so I am pretty sure you can help out with Toni's abilities too..yes? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 11:54pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Roland17:So you rather have Kroos than KDB? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Neymar1095(m): 11:55pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
imagine comparing the best midfielder in the world to Toni fuckkkking kroos . Somebody should slap me ha beg. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 11:55pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
Roland17:The insult to even come up with this comparison pains me. Truthfully I actually felt Kroos was like 30 or so. Wasn't expecting him to be just 28 and KDB to be 26.. Now I'm gonna ask Eruditor and everybody here since we all wanna drag. Please was Xavi this good at 28.. Or was Xavi a part of a team that had won 4 UCL.. 3 CWC.. 1WC before the age of 28 ? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Roland17(m): 11:56pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
patrickmuf: 100% no questions asked, it does not diminish KDB’s quality either because he is a good player, but in comparison to Kroos? Not for me. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by liveLongNprospa(m): 11:56pm On Aug 14, 2018 |
patrickmuf:YES!!!!... HELL YES!!!!... HELLLLLLL YYYYEEEEESSSSSS!!! |
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