BlueRayDick:


Yes. He was killed in action in July 1967

izzou:


Yes, by Nigerian soldiers. But he didn't die as a Biafran soldier

afrodoc2:


Yup. He died in an ambush along with Ojukwu’s brother Tom Biggar.

BlueRayDick:


Baba I'm only relaying what I read in books. He was killed in ambush like Afrodoc rightly stated above.

It was only after the war he was given the full military burial stated in that screenshot u posted.

Ibime:


Ojukwu brother name dey always make me laugh

izzou:


Nobody's saying you're wrong.

He was killed in Nsukka by Nigerian soldiers,but he did not die as a Biafran soldier

Or do you have any source that labelled him as one? I'd love to learn

izzou:


Nobody's saying you're wrong.

He was killed in Nsukka by Nigerian soldiers,but he did not die as a Biafran soldier

Or do you have any source that labelled him as one? I'd love to learn

afrodoc2:


If not that i read it in Ojukwu’s book I would have doubted. Name sounds somehow. Lol.

I read somewhere that they were half-brothers and shared the same mother and different fathers but i don’t know how true that is.

Ojukwu mentioned the deaths in his book, I believe in the portion in which he was trying to dispel the belief that he and Nzeogwu were never in good terms.

odizeey:
E don dey happen o.

Person wen bring talk don go sleep o. Sow seed of discord.

Ibime:
This is the most comprehensive retrospective study on Chloroquine so far.


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext


It be like say I go reconsider membership of team Chloroquine, although one counterargument is that all these patients where hospitalised, mostly in the West which indicates advanced viral replication as they only hospitalise you in the West when water done pass Garri. Chloroquine advocates always argue it is too late at this stage. However the study also included a key control which is that patients had to have had Chloroquine within 2 days of Covid diagnosis. So far no study has set such criteria which favours the "taking Chloroquine early" argument, however there is still wiggle room for Chloroquine advocates to argue that Hospitalisation itself is an indicator of advanced disease in the West, as they will not admit you till things done dey red.

Of 96,000 patients analysed in hospitals, 15,000 patients were given Chloroquine sometimes in combination with a macrolide like azimothrycin. Patients treated more than 2 days after diagnosis were excluded as were patients on ventilators.

The death rates of the treated groups were: hydroxychloroquine 18%; chloroquine 16.4%; control group 9%. Those treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine in combination with antibiotics had an even higher death rate.

Age/Race/Sex/Co-morbidities were fairly evernly spread between the Chloroquine groups and Control Groups.

The only argument left for team Chloroquine is to focus on the Hospitalisation argument that the virus has already proliferated by hospitalisation stage, also you have time lag between Hospitalisation and diagnosis turnaround time plus up to 2 days allowed by the study meaning these patients could be anything from 10-30 days into infection by the time Chloroquine was prescribed.

Afrodoc2, TheCassanova, Victornezzar, do you think this argument may still be valid for Team Chloroquine? Also how about other Zinc Ionophores such as Quercetin etc? Any benefit in that?

Ibime:


No, the Tom Biggar was a half-caste so it is likely say na Louis go done sire both of them, unless Ojukwu mama done run go meet white man at some stage after Ojukwu was born.

afrodoc2:


Well more information is needed.

Remember i was never convinced about this Chloroquine issue. The level of evidence was just too weak.

Anecdotal reports and Lab studies just don’t cut it in terms of driving a change in the management of a disease as major as this.

This study you quoted is better but until large randomized double-blind control studies or even a meta analysis of several such studies are done it would still be a gamble.

Ibime:


No mind am. I no know why DonJ bring this kain civil war talk come here.

Ibime:


I don't think there can be any practical study that would satisfy members of team Chloroquine cos that would require access to infected people at home with mild symptoms who have also been diagnosed. This is the most comprehensive study so far though. Although the African experience, particularly low mortality in the likes of Senegal who have an early Chloroquine deployment policy, although anecdotal is a decent argument in favour of Chloroquine.

afrodoc2:


Don Jazzy like fight pass anything. If you leave him alone h can argue with himself.

I had 2 close friends in Uni (1 Igbo, 1 Bini), and we were all history buffs.
We discussed everything from the Peloponnesian War to the Battle of Prokhorovka.
We pretty much left the Biafran war alone.

Ibime:
This is the most comprehensive retrospective study on Chloroquine so far.


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext


It be like say I go reconsider membership of team Chloroquine, although one counterargument is that all these patients where hospitalised, mostly in the West which indicates advanced viral replication as they only hospitalise you in the West when water done pass Garri. Chloroquine advocates always argue it is too late at this stage. However the study also included a key control which is that patients had to have had Chloroquine within 2 days of Covid diagnosis. So far no study has set such criteria which favours the "taking Chloroquine early" argument, however there is still wiggle room for Chloroquine advocates to argue that Hospitalisation itself is an indicator of advanced disease in the West, as they will not admit you till things done dey red.

Of 96,000 patients analysed in hospitals, 15,000 patients were given Chloroquine sometimes in combination with a macrolide like azimothrycin. Patients treated more than 2 days after diagnosis were excluded as were patients on ventilators.

The death rates of the treated groups were: hydroxychloroquine 18%; chloroquine 16.4%; control group 9%. Those treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine in combination with antibiotics had an even higher death rate.

Age/Race/Sex/Co-morbidities were fairly evernly spread between the Chloroquine groups and Control Groups.

The only argument left for team Chloroquine is to focus on the Hospitalisation argument that the virus has already proliferated by hospitalisation stage, also you have time lag between Hospitalisation and diagnosis turnaround time plus up to 2 days allowed by the study meaning these patients could be anything from 10-30 days into infection by the time Chloroquine was prescribed. There may also be Doctor bias in the Chloroquine group with the more sicker patients being prescribed Chloroquine in comparison to the control group.

Afrodoc2, TheCassanova, Victornezzar, do you think this argument may still be valid for Team Chloroquine? Also how about other Zinc Ionophores such as Quercetin etc? Any benefit in that?

larride:


Not federal funds, the money will be deducted from the State allocation.

The plan is to make them really independent in the true sense of it. At least with these move, we can begin to see State HoA actually doing their job and not being a lackey for state govenors.

BlueRayDick:




Good decision to leave the war alone. Even people that participated in the war gave different accounts that don't even in any way agree with each other.

Imagine Gowon claiming he released Awolowo and Ojukwu claiming same. Unfortunately the Awo himself was late and couldn't tell the two ex-warlords to keep his name out of their mouths.

Funny thing is someone sympathetic to Biafra course thinks Awo is a backstaber who was released by Ojukwu but turned back to join forced with Gowon; while fans of Gowon and one Nigeria thinks Awo was released by Gowon and his contribution to the war effort particularly allged advice to Gowon to starve Biafra of relief materials won the war for Gowon.

The war story is very sensitive

Ibime:


This may be a bad move as most Local Government leaders are despots, most in the South-South are either militants or vicious thugs who got LGA Chairman role as their reward for delivering for the Governor. LGA Chairmen commit more abuses and there are no press controls on their actions, whereas a Governor has to manage press fallout from their actions.

Any further loosening of central command-and-control toward a democracy of thugs is to be discouraged. Democracy of thieves and thugs us the worst thing that can happen to a country. We already have too much Executive power in the hands of tinpot Governors. I have always maintained that FG does a much better job than State Govt and State Govt does a much better job than Local Govt. This is because FG is somewhat accountable to International bodies and International perception, while State bodies are somewhat accountable to National perception. For example you can never see FG not paying salaries for months on end unlike State Govt.

Local Govt own is to do anyhow, anyhow and no one will hold them to account. On NL front-page yesterday we saw a pastor being tortured on camera for criticising Local Government.

BlueRayDick:

Imagine Gowon claiming he released Awolowo and Ojukwu claiming same. Unfortunately the Awo himself was late and couldn't tell the two ex-warlords to keep his name out of their mouths.

Ibime:


No mind am. I no know why DonJ bring this kain civil war talk come here.

larride:


It’s a very sensitive matter that shouldn’t have been brought here.

afrodoc2:


Don Jazzy like fight pass anything. If you leave him alone he can argue with himself.

I had 2 close friends in Uni (1 Igbo, 1 Bini), and we were all history buffs.
We discussed everything from the Peloponnesian War to the Battle of Prokhorovka.
We pretty much left the Biafran war alone.

Ibime:
This is the most comprehensive retrospective study on Chloroquine so far.


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext


It be like say I go reconsider membership of team Chloroquine, although one counterargument is that all these patients where hospitalised, mostly in the West which indicates advanced viral replication as they only hospitalise you in the West when water done pass Garri. Chloroquine advocates always argue it is too late at this stage. However the study also included a key control which is that patients had to have had Chloroquine within 2 days of Covid diagnosis. So far no study has set such criteria which favours the "taking Chloroquine early" argument, however there is still wiggle room for Chloroquine advocates to argue that Hospitalisation itself is an indicator of advanced disease in the West, as they will not admit you till things done dey red.

Of 96,000 patients analysed in hospitals, 15,000 patients were given Chloroquine sometimes in combination with a macrolide like azimothrycin. Patients treated more than 2 days after diagnosis were excluded as were patients on ventilators.

The death rates of the treated groups were: hydroxychloroquine 18%; chloroquine 16.4%; control group 9%. Those treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine in combination with antibiotics had an even higher death rate.

Age/Race/Sex/Co-morbidities were fairly evernly spread between the Chloroquine groups and Control Groups.

The only argument left for team Chloroquine is to focus on the Hospitalisation argument that the virus has already proliferated by hospitalisation stage, also you have time lag between Hospitalisation and diagnosis turnaround time plus up to 2 days allowed by the study meaning these patients could be anything from 10-30 days into infection by the time Chloroquine was prescribed. There may also be Doctor bias in the Chloroquine group with the more sicker patients being prescribed Chloroquine in comparison to the control group.

Afrodoc2, TheCassanova, Victornezzar, do you think this argument may still be valid for Team Chloroquine? Also how about other Zinc Ionophores such as Quercetin etc? Any benefit in that?

Thecassanova:


More research needed, a colleague of mine is working on that day and night, but I promise you Chloroquine will not be the savior. Even the allergy reactions says something. Me I’ve been focusing on them ginger, honey, lemon, vitamin c (500mg), tangerine per day since covid19.

Me & few colleagues wrote a manuscript detailing the mechanism of action of some FDA approved repurposed drugs, most especially Remdesivir for the virus therapeutic management. I’d rather look inward to Remdesivir (& ritonavir) as it’s in phase 2 clinical trial, same with tocilizumab, both works to inhibit RNA Dep & interleukin-6 respectively. A critical stage that prevent the viral synthesis & decreases inflammation. Will share the link once published in few days.

Thecassanova:

Me & few colleagues wrote a manuscript detailing the mechanism of action of some FDA approved repurposed drugs, most especially Remdesivir for the virus therapeutic management. I’d rather look inward to Remdesivir (& ritonavir) as it’s in phase 2 clinical trial, same with tocilizumab, both works to inhibit RNA Dep & interleukin-6 respectively. A critical stage that prevent the viral synthesis & decreases inflammation. Will share the link once published in few days.

donjazet:




I have told you that my reason for bringing this topic here was to further learn history as none of us here were taught history in school.
Knowing the past is very vital in shaping the future as we try not to repeat same mistakes.

Yes as you can see so far, we have been perfectly civil in our discourse, nobody has insulted or disrespected the other despite having contrary opinions on this sensitive topic.

This thread has proven to be a community of intellectuals and we have learnt a lot from each other. If this group is so afraid that it cannot even discuss the matters of the war, the single most important historical period of our country, it reflects the mentality in our society that we are not ready to move forward together and that is pitiful.

odizeey:
You came here with your own solid opinion and made up mind and you say you want to learn.
Go youtube. Videos full there.