omar22:

Just talking about Speed and power (Super sport car) nothing rivals the Italians, on the other hand Le Man have been dominated by Audi powered engines.

So which one will you choose?

McLaren F1 or Ferrari Enzo

or Bugatti or Pagani Zonda

PBundles:
Funny you state that Omar. I have a contact here who has a fleet of cars to die for ( can you imagine having that as a job). Anyway his exact words were: Nothing beats the sound of an Italian Car but......... you will be going back and forth to the garage to get it repaired. He had a Maserati Quattroporte, that was at repairs like every other month. When I asked if that was normal he was like, its Italian.

asala1:
How many Toyota Crowns do you see on Nigerian roads or in Auto marts compare to 190?

omonnakoda:
Maybe 20 or 30 years ago .These days there is no such thing. Cars are INTERNATIONAL with lots of input ideas and parts made all over the world and even COMPETING companies come together to do research so as to reduce costs. You will find sometimes the exact same components in different marquees

omonnakoda:
Maybe 20 or 30 years ago .These days there is no such thing. Cars are INTERNATIONAL with lots of input ideas and parts made all over the world and even COMPETING companies come together to do research so as to reduce costs. You will find sometimes the exact same components in different marquees

Siena:

In some ways, you're right. Though shared components will be limited to sensors, switches, brake pads, calipers, etc. The real heart of the car remains the engine. Sure, two different marques can share the same engine, but use different engine management. Different combinations and power outputs can mean one engine's more highly strung than the other, despite sharing a common block.

Which is why two different cars, with the same engines may have different reliability issues. Italian exotic cars ARE highly strung, and more fragile than the average daily hack. A Toyota Supra will outlive a Ferrari Testarossa, a Mazda 3 MPS will outlive a Lancia Delta, and that's a fact. The Toyota can be driven every single day of the year, beat up on and abused, and it'll survive. Ferrari is an Italian exotic, not built to be hammered day in day out. It's a weekend toy, to be enjoyed on occasion. I don't know any Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Maserati, Pagani owner who owns one of these exotics, and no other car. That drives these cars daily, and covers thousands of miles every year.


The tolerances built into Italian supercars means they're not forgiving when it comes to abuse.

baby-boy:


Japanese car industry uses less raw materials to make a car, thats why you hardly see a Japanese car that rust, you are more likely to see rust on a Merc than a Honda

Siena:

I agree. Ownership of a marque may change, but the heritage remains the same.



Italian cars are the best on planet Earth? I disagree with this.

Mainstream Italian cars, like Fiat, Lancia and Alfa Romeo compete against the mainstream German marques. These Italian cars are high maintenance, and can be described as fragile. The average comparable Japanese car may not match the performance of the Italian rivals, (which are argueably real driver's cars) but are streets ahead in terms of durability. As a daily driver, An Alfa Romeo 156 2.0 TS is highly strung, a Toyota Corolla Sport, BMW 120 M-Sport or Audi A3 1.8T Sport isn't.

The supercar sector has been dominated by the Italians - Lamborghini, Ferrari, Bugatti, Pagani, Maserati for many years. Then the Nissan Skyline R32 / R33 came along, narrowing the gap. Today, the Nissan GTR is a formidable contender, a sport Grand Tourismo, with 4 seats and performance to seriously threaten the Italian masters. Very few Italian supercars are practical as daily drivers, and definitely not for a family. Then there's the Porsche, which is as practical as it gets, especially the Panamera, which has supercar performance in a 5-door, 4 seater body. It will also outlive the Italians.

Down the road from me is Verdi Ferrari, all they cater for is supercars. Google them, and see what they're up to. Italian supercars spend a lot of time undergoing surgery, as they break often. I like them, but as a daily driver (and sole means of transport) not practical. If you're referring to outright pace, then a Caterham 7 will run rings round the average Italian supercar.

addictiv:
any car can rust. so long it is exposed to forces of nature....thats why you have a garage.

naira-ner:
Most people seem to be saying that German cars consume a lot of fuel which is either what they have read from unreliable sources or heard from people who may not have ever driven a german car.

I have owned various species of Japanese cars as well as German cars. They will BOTH CONSUME fuel if they have big engine sizes.

Compare fuel consumption of a German 1.8 Litre engine against a japanese 1.8 Litre engine and you will see that they are same.

Compare fuel consumption of a German 2.5 Litre engine against a japanese 2.5 Litre engine and you will see that they are same.

Reason for this misconception is that, most of the german cars in Nigeria have the big engine sizes 2.5 or above while most of the japanese have the smaller engine sizes of 2.0 or lower. The comparison people make unknowingly/ignorantly usually over looks the engine sizes and conclude that german cars consume more fuel.

Simple!!!!!!!!!!!!

Compare fuel consumption of a German 1.8 Litre engine against a japanese 1.8 Litre engine and you will see that they are same.

addictiv:
any car can rust. so long it is exposed to forces of nature....thats why you have a garage.

iheneme: What would you say about Mercedes 190?

tonychristopher: when was the last time you saw Toyota,mazda,mitshibushi and subaru win a formular 1 race or grand prix

when was the last time you see an asian jeep used in real warfare, who started the manufacture of cars

comparing japos with german cars is like comparing lizard.with an aligator

have you ever driven a Benz and appreciate the handling then you drive a Mazda it looks as a paper

been largest producer of autos isn't quality but quantity

German cars have their niche market but japos are all comers affair


IT'S LIKE COMPARING A ROLEX DATEJUST CHRONO WITH CASIO. WHAT A TRAVESTY.

elektra80:

How many times have u seen a lotus, Ferrari 312T, pagani zonda, McLaren, Tyrell p34, etc drive by... Because these are a few of F1 cars. So its very silly of u to ask how many Japanese cars have won the F1 when u know F1 cars are not street cars. I am not taking it away from German cars. They have come a long way and the brand that is Mercedes and BMW are respected. But believe it or not, Toyota have been getting better scores recently. In fact the Toyota brand has leap frogged Benz and BMW in the chat of top brands in 2013, u can google it urself. If they can be that, it means they are doing something right.

it is not comparing a lizard with aligator... Well it might be when u are comparing a Mercedes Benz e320 with a Toyota Camry or an accord, but it becomes tighter when u compare it with a Lexus or an Acura... Or are these not japs? Germans have been in the game for long. Japs came in with their own strategy which was to produce economy cars to win customers and believe me,over the years they have improved, bringing a balance to economy, performance and reliability, something the Germans don't care about. Its not just about performance, what about reliability? Its no secret Toyota and Honda sell more cars, its because of their reliability. Go to Owode Onirin, u will see what I'm talking about. I have seen some VW and Skoda cars that are terrible, are they not Germans? Or are German cars just Benz and BMW? What about Infiniti? Is that not Japanese? Or does that feel like paper when u are driving it? Have u driven the Hyundai Equus? That is one hell of a car that gives the S class a run for its money. Lets take,for example. An average bachelor that wants to get his first car for driving around the city to and from work, would u buy a Benz or a Toyota? Of course majority would buy a Toyota. But if u are rich, u get the 2. The Benz for weekend things and Toyota as,everyday car. So its a win win, both have their advantage or disadvantage. Mistakes people make is comparing a top class luxurious Mercedes Benz e class or clk with a Toyota Camry when they should be comparing with a Lexus or Infiniti. Check attached pictures of Hyundai Equus.

Originalsly: True..the GTR is a breed all by itself. I think Nissan cars are usually faster than other cars in the same class. The Maxima is a family sedan and also very fast...how fast should someone be driving with his family?...the Maxima would clock 120mph and you would think you're cruising at 90. Where do you want to go with your family at such speeds?...Heaven?

Siena:

Probably more than one who has to resort to verbal abuse to get his point across. I challenge you to defend your preferred marque, constructively, and without verbal abuse, or swearing.

Can you manage that?

elektra80:

How many times have u seen a lotus, Ferrari 312T, pagani zonda, McLaren, Tyrell p34, etc drive by... Because these are a few of F1 cars. So its very silly of u to ask how many Japanese cars have won the F1 when u know F1 cars are not street cars. I am not taking it away from German cars. They have come a long way and the brand that is Mercedes and BMW are respected. But believe it or not, Toyota have been getting better scores recently. In fact the Toyota brand has leap frogged Benz and BMW in the chat of top brands in 2013, u can google it urself. If they can be that, it means they are doing something right.

it is not comparing a lizard with aligator... Well it might be when u are comparing a Mercedes Benz e320 with a Toyota Camry or an accord, but it becomes tighter when u compare it with a Lexus or an Acura... Or are these not japs? Germans have been in the game for long. Japs came in with their own strategy which was to produce economy cars to win customers and believe me,over the years they have improved, bringing a balance to economy, performance and reliability, something the Germans don't care about. Its not just about performance, what about reliability? Its no secret Toyota and Honda sell more cars, its because of their reliability. Go to Owode Onirin, u will see what I'm talking about. I have seen some VW and Skoda cars that are terrible, are they not Germans? Or are German cars just Benz and BMW? What about Infiniti? Is that not Japanese? Or does that feel like paper when u are driving it? Have u driven the Hyundai Equus? That is one hell of a car that gives the S class a run for its money. Lets take,for example. An average bachelor that wants to get his first car for driving around the city to and from work, would u buy a Benz or a Toyota? Of course majority would buy a Toyota. But if u are rich, u get the 2. The Benz for weekend things and Toyota as,everyday car. So its a win win, both have their advantage or disadvantage. Mistakes people make is comparing a top class luxurious Mercedes Benz e class or clk with a Toyota Camry when they should be comparing with a Lexus or Infiniti. Check attached pictures of Hyundai Equus.

Siena:

The Nissan GTR is an awesome beast, that's for sure.

But, Japanese tend to have high-performance models only in Coupe form. The Germans build high-performance models in more body styles, to appeal to a wider market.

Sedan.
Wagon.
Coupe.
Hatchback.
Roadster.
SUV.

The Japanese offerings tend to be non-family friendly 2-door Coupes. It's nice to have a powerful car that is a beast, blisteringly quick, handles well, yet can take the whole family on a trip, and all their luggage too.

Nissan Skyline / GTR - a mean machine, but not practical for a family, so it loses out to the Germans on flexibility.

Siena:

The Nissan GTR is an awesome beast, that's for sure.

But, Japanese tend to have high-performance models only in Coupe form. The Germans build high-performance models in more body styles, to appeal to a wider market.

Sedan.
Wagon.
Coupe.
Hatchback.
Roadster.
SUV.

The Japanese offerings tend to be non-family friendly 2-door Coupes. It's nice to have a powerful car that is a beast, blisteringly quick, handles well, yet can take the whole family on a trip, and all their luggage too.

Nissan Skyline / GTR - a mean machine, but not practical for a family, so it loses out to the Germans on flexibility.

Siena: ^^^ Jager, the Mazda RX8 is not a 1.8. it's a 1.3. and it' not a Wankel. It's a Renesis. Wankel ended with the Mazda RX7.

Rotary engines are not practical, they are thirsty on both gas and oil. Yeah, 220 hp sounds good on paper...but it lacks torque, due to the Rotary design. Twin rotors. The RX8 performs best at high rpm, poor at low rpm with 4 adults on board.

omoeso: Enough said... Now you guys should ask yourself this simple question, why do so many multi-millionaires/billionaires use german cars. Also, notice most presidents and head of states prefer german cars as official cars. Very simple....absolutely un-comparable!

Siena: ^^^ Lada Niva!! This was one of my mom's official cars back in the '80's, in the absense of the almost obligatory Peugeot 504 GL. I loved it, tough Russian tank.