fubbyy: I'v heard this a lot and never believed it till I witnessed it yesterday.
a friend of mine's aunt was in a labor and was taken to a clinic (name withheld) here in ph, the doctor said she would go through operation in order to have safe delivery or else she would die, just few minutes to the operation, the lady requested to speak with her pastor before the operation commences, the doc get annoyed that if care is not taken that she would loose her life,after some argument the doctor ask the husband to call the pastor and let him know so he will continue with his job(operation) when the pastor was called, he instructed that the woman should not be operated till he gets there, we informed the doctor about the pastor's opinion, he shouted " arrant nonsense" before we know it, the pastor arrived with 2 other prayer warriors, but was not allowed inside the theatre, he gave a small bottle of water (which might be holy water) 2 a nurse to give the woman to drink, the doctor said it wasn't necessary, that it wasn't medical,before we know what's going on the pastor and his crew has started a serious prayer even some born again nurses joined them while the woman kept screaming inside the theatre, the more the prayer the more the woman scream, five minutes later a nurse inside the theatre rushed out to call the doctor from his office where he sadly went to when the pastors start praying, he came out and walk sluggishly inside the theatre as the woman's conditions get worst, few minutes later she delivered a baby, you need to see how sad the doctor looks while every1 was happy (including nurses) the husband wanted talking to the doctor, he shouted with anger .. Your wife has delivered , fine ,so go and clear your bills and take her away from here, it was obvious that the doc wasn't happy, is it because he didn't get as much money he would ve got or what?

Avicenna:

It's just sad. When you are trying to prove there is nothing like a miracle and sheer chance kicks you in the balls.
That woman had been brainwashed. The signs she gave was that there is no way she could have delivered normally. The next thing would be a caesarian operation. But after a psychological boost from the pastor( a sheer mind trick), she got more energy and was even more resolute to deliver.
As a medical student, this things are common. They are not miracles. That's why most doctors will remain skeptical about this explainable 'miracles'. The doctor was probably angry because he was trying to prove them wrong and the weak woman decided to be strong enough to deliver.
This just gave me an idea. Using mind tricks on pregnant women. Maybe it will even reduce maternal mortality.

logicboy:


It will not. Such "miracles" will only lead people to their deaths. The woman was lucky. What about the other 75% that would die if they didnt listen to their doctors.

logicboy:


It will not. Such "miracles" will only lead people to their deaths. The woman was lucky. What about the other 75% that would die if they didnt listen to their doctors.

Joagbaje:

and what about the 75% who had died in the hands of doctors because the problem was spiritual.

logicboy:

Spiritual death? What killed them? Juju? You must be on some good hallucinogen!

Joagbaje:

You must be under JuJucilogen

logicboy:
But being serious, there is no spiritual death. r you could say that I am spiritually dead as an atheist because I dont believe in spirits!

Joagbaje:

how much study have you made on spirits. To understand or disprove their existence. Have you ever thought of the chances of being wrong? . Supposing. . . Just supposing you're wrong.

But the point I' try to get across is the fact that most human sicknesses are demonic .doctors can't find demons in a lab. .

Joagbaje: Every sickness can be demonic. But every sickness may not be demonic. A man may have malaria and have it caused by mosquitoes yet another malaria case can be. Deadly and demonic. Which will defy medical knowledge

Joagbaje: Every sickness can be demonic. But every sickness may not be demonic. A man may have malaria and have it caused by mosquitoes yet another malaria case can be. Deadly and demonic. Which will defy medical knowledge

Joagbaje: Every sickness can be demonic. But every sickness may not be demonic. A man may have malaria and have it caused by mosquitoes yet another malaria case can be. Deadly and demonic. Which will defy medical knowledge

Martian:

lmao, you can't eat your cake and have it too!!

musKeeto:
Actually, you can by the power of the Holy Ghost...

fubbyy: Even those doctors do seek for spiritual intervention for them selves and for their families,when they discover that their problem wasn't medical, let me ask you, if you are a doctor and your child suddenly develop a sickness which you have done everything you could,took him/her all over the world and nothing could be detected(your fellow docs will tell you truth) will you bring him home and dump him while you know there is a plan B, let's tell ourselves the truth, some certain things are spiritual