ZUBY77: You definitely have an idea here. I guess they know that their Gods and Allahs dont act fast enough in punishing them. If a bill for such comes up, i will support it. Not that i beieve in deities but fear will hold them up.

ZUBY77: I dont trust anything that demands for my soul and that includes orisha

ghostofsparta:

Is that what you think or what your religion have brainwashed you to believe, or perhaps your understanding of the 'soul' is a reflection of literature works such as The Faustus Legend. My brother, our deities don't require the soul of a price for their service. You are probably mis-interpreting the African deities to mean 'demon' which are usually connected with the 'soul' of which both are white man's concept. The Yorubas don't have a close translation for them. Nevertheless you can checkout my take on the soul here: www.nairaland.com/954879/human-clones-souls/5#11051728

991: that would be the best, the diety of my village kills exactly 4days from the day you break the oath.

991: that would be the best, the diety of my village kills exactly 4days from the day you break the oath.

ghostofsparta:

Do you know the name of the deity? Would like to add it to my research.

musKeeto:
Nigeria would be better if the humans/citizens living within begin to look beyond tribalism and religion. When the people develop an intense hatred for mediocrity, when the people decide to be more aware of their role in nation building..

These stupid gods, Allah and Yaweh have certainly not done their work, thieves have sworn on the Bible and Quran, stolen public funds and then built temples/churches/mosques for the same God.. the foolish African gods meanwhile watched as their land was raped by the WHITE man and did nothing about it... I rather choose to believe and trust the power of my mind and hands, than in any gods/Gods...

991: that would be the best, the diety of my village kills exactly 4days from the day you break the oath.

ghostofsparta:
How is it possible for the citizens to look beyond tribalism and colonial-imposed religions when you like most fail to accept the brutal fact that the colonial experimentation called Nigeria was a result of the AMALGAMATION of incompatible tribes whose consent weren't sought prior to its formation in 1914.(note the 419 in the date). Now can I force you to marry a lady who's not only strange to you but also don't love? Your sincere answer would be NO...but then again you could if under duress. If I point a gun at you to commit bestiality with animals, does that mean you should go on when I am gone?

ghostofsparta:
My pont is senatorialism is Italian by origin, democracy is a western thing, these and others aren't ours but are intrinsical to governing a nation, the whites who originated this system can practice it because not only do they respect and obey rule of law but also because they don't want anarchy. And since we now find ourselves to be copying their system of government, I see no reason why we shouldn't integrate our traditional check and balances to it just as its done in certain Asian countries.

ghostofsparta:
For you to have expressed your thought that the foolish African gods stood by and watched how their lands were raped shows that you are just like the majority who haven't researched deep but chose to believe whatever they read from historical books. Are you familiar with the saying that 'the victor rewrites history'. Our deities don't act like the ones you must have read in some books about Greek/Roman myths, ours are propitiated when a task is needed from them and in the case of 'slavery' some tribes never saw it coming while others who did through the IFA oracle neglected several heedings and sacrifices that if when done would avert it, though from my research, I garnered that the Odu that came out to address the 'slavery' phenomenon was such that it is bound to happen for certain reasons.

ghostofsparta:
Another mistake most Nigerians make, which you also did is to single in only the WHITES as the sole perpetrators of black slavery. Infact I can tell you that the Arabs did more damage to Africa than the whites. In primary school we were all made to believe the whites were the ones responsible for black slavery, pointing accusing fingers to them..A misleading lie...the Arabs devastated Africa for 4centuries, Uthman dan Fodio, a black Arab who alone controlled the largest slave economy in West Africa. At least we can today see the descendants/generations of black slaves that were carted away to New World as Africican-Americans but the same can be said of the blacks slaves that were matched to Arab kingdoms because the males were castrated and turned to eunuchs in order for them not to be aroused when commanded to fetch their harems and thus blacks couldn't perpetuate among themselves there.

ghostofsparta:

Do you know the name of the deity? Would like to add it to my research.

991:

it is called "Arusi-Ogbunizu" unfortunately you cant find it online, unless you wish to visit it to do your research

emöfine2: @OP This is an interesting topic and I contemplated and briefly discussed this with another individual some time ago.
It seems as if some if not many Nigerians fear the traditional curses and gods much more than the imported ones thus will they be more faithful if they swore under a native god(s) with consequence?

Would Nigeria be better off?

I guess what you really mean is if their life literally depended on Nigeria’s success then would those necessary changes be made?

Hmmn....

I think it will depend which dwells greater in the individual...fear or greed.

I think it is an interesting experiment but one that will for various reasons will not be welcomed and that is also due to the perception of traditional beliefs i.e “uncivilized"...”idolatry”..."witchcraft" etc

But are there not rival gods? Couldn’t the swearer back him/herself with another god to render themselves immune from consequences?...and what about those who actually have no beliefs in these native customs (they are thus not bound by fear or superstition)? ....or what about those with a contrary faith (whether imported or not)...is it permissible to submit a contrary believer under rituals that they do not observe?

Despite the “if’s” and “but's” I do certainly understand where you (the OP) is coming from.

991: that would be the best, the diety of my village kills exactly 4days from the day you break the oath.

afam4eva:
I don't support this because we'll have to be conducting elections every week.

ZUBY77: I dont trust anything that demands for my soul and that includes orisha

afam4eva:
I don't support this because we'll have to be conducting elections every week.

honeric01:

I don't think so because we are likely never going to have an candidates for any election because Nigerians (most) are corrupt from birth so they won't dare contest.

amosy007:
do u have a soul?

ghostofsparta:

Please let don't trivialise this topic into insult. Ofcourse he has a soul just like you and I simply because we have minds that can think, memorize, deduce, etc

abhosts: Ngige broke the oath he made to a local god and nothing happened to him. Remember Okija?

ghostofsparta: Emofine, what is your understanding of term 'witchcraft'? Do you think it's the same thing with what the Yorubas call 'Aje'?

Both corruption and greed are just part of the several human nature which is mainly triggered and fuelled by X. Let us assume X to be 'the absence of certain conditioning force or check and balances'. If X is a triggerer of malevolent human nature, then there must be Y which is the opposite of the purpose of X because it suppresses the triggering effect of X.

Y is not to inspire fear but to enforce a condition that counteract the triggering result of X where it will self-act whenever the condition in which it was programmed is breached.

Why can't we implement Y into the equation of our reality here in Yorubaland if not Nigeria?


And no the swearer can't be made immune by even a deity/god he personally propitiates in his home provided he has sworn an oath under another deity. Yoruba cosmogony is similar to computer GIGO (garbage in garbage out)... When anyone or leader is to swear under these deities, every possible turnaround would also be sworn into it as 'if I shall in anyway attempt to reverse or appeal to...in order to exempt myself from the wrath of....may Z happen.