thehomer:

I've read the Bible and have come to similar conclusions. e.g is salvation by faith and grace or by performing good acts?

you should read it again... this time with some understanding.

davidylan:

you should read it again... this time with some understanding.

If you disagree with what I'm saying, what you're supposed to do is to tell me how I was wrong.

davidylan:

you should read it again... this time with some understanding.

there is no other type of understanding when the bible says two different things about salvation. Not two similar things, Two DIFFERENT things

here sport. let me help ya.


Galatians 2:16 " know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ."

Romans 3: 28 "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."



Matthew 19:17 "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

James 2:24 " Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only"



WELL WHICH IS IT??

Verily verily I say unto you, You cant read this any different. and no it is not out of context. 4 different places? damn confused scribes :-/

thehomer:

If you disagree with what I'm saying, what you're supposed to do is to tell me how I was wrong.

BEFORE i proceed to show you where you're wrong in your response to my post, i'll like to know for the sake of clarity why you think the says two different things about salvation. Thank you.

Area_boy:

there is no other type of understanding when the bible says two different things about salvation. Not two similar things, Two DIFFERENT things

here sport. let me help ya.


Galatians 2:16 " know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ."

Romans 3: 28 "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."



Matthew 19:17 "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

James 2:24 " Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only"



WELL WHICH IS IT??

Verily verily I say unto you, You cant read this any different. and no it is not out of context. 4 different places? damn confused scribes :-/

A Total waste of time debating people who have hardened their hearts against the truth.


"But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. THose who are spiritual can evaluate all things, but they themselves cannot be evaluated by others. - 1 Corinthians 2:14-16

Area_boy:

there is no other type of understanding when the bible says two different things about salvation. Not two similar things, Two DIFFERENT things

here sport. let me help ya.


Galatians 2:16 " know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ."

Romans 3: 28 "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."



Matthew 19:17 "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

James 2:24 " Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only"



WELL WHICH IS IT??

Verily verily I say unto you, You cant read this any different. and no it is not out of context. 4 different places? damn confused scribes :-/

Yawn... just another in the long line of intellectually lazy fellows bleating about "confusion" in the bible when the problem is their own confusion.

Ok let me explain - Gal 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Very simple - you are justified by faith in Christ Jesus NOT by the WORKS of the law... the phrase here "works of the law" is very important as i see so many get confused because all they see is the word "works" and then run away with it. "works of the law" here simply means - living by the letter of the law as laid down by Moses OUTSIDE of faith in Christ.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

This is exactly saying the same thing as Gal 2:16... how you think it is different is beyond me. Again it is saying you are justified/saved by faith in Jesus NOT by your deeds/works of the law. Verses 29-30 gives us the reason why... since gentiles didnt have the laws of Moses and God is the same Lord over all... there has to be one standard for the jew and the gentile... faith in Christ!

James 2:24... the only reason you seem "confused" here is because you do not understand the use of the term "works" here... and in this case, a little context is needed (something you are either too lazy to do or just plain confused)

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[d] works, and I will show you my faith by my[e] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[f] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[g] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

Note the difference between James 2 here and the last 2 verses we looked at. There is a clear distinction between the word "works". In the last two verses... "works" is qualified as being OF THE LAW i.e. strict allegiance to the laws of Moses. But the "works" used in James 2 is radically different (note at no time is it spoken of with respect to the law, infact any reference to the law is completely absent here)... if you can put it in lay man terms, the "works" in James 2 can be regarded as FRUITS of the Spirit... for example... look at the first example James uses in verses 15-17... there is no law under Moses that commands you to give your food or clothes to your destitute brother or sister (if you find it in the 10 commandments then pls show me) so you are free to say a blessing and let them go... under the laws of Moses you are not condemned.

However, under the grace of Christ (that comes with salvation through faith in Jesus)... part of the heart-transformation that takes place is the compassion and love for your brother that becomes a natural part of you. The WORKS James then refers to here then is the outward expression of the saving grace of Jesus manifesting itself in the form of having mercy on your destitute brother, 100% trust and obedience to Christ as exhibited by Abraham in verses 23-24 and Rahab as spoken of in verse 25.

So by what are we justified? Through faith in Christ Jesus... however that justification manifests itself in the form of WORKS... not as unto the law but as fruits that come with being a new creature in Christ Jesus.

davidylan:

Yawn... just another in the long line of intellectually lazy fellows bleating about "confusion" in the bible when the problem is their own confusion.

Ok let me explain - Gal 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Very simple - you are justified by faith in Christ Jesus NOT by the WORKS of the law... the phrase here "works of the law" is very important as i see so many get confused because all they see is the word "works" and then run away with it. "works of the law" here simply means - living by the letter of the law as laid down by Moses OUTSIDE of faith in Christ.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

This is exactly saying the same thing as Gal 2:16... how you think it is different is beyond me. Again it is saying you are justified/saved by faith in Jesus NOT by your deeds/works of the law. Verses 29-30 gives us the reason why... since gentiles didnt have the laws of Moses and God is the same Lord over all... there has to be one standard for the jew and the gentile... faith in Christ!

James 2:24... the only reason you seem "confused" here is because you do not understand the use of the term "works" here... and in this case, a little context is needed (something you are either too lazy to do or just plain confused)

14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[d] works, and I will show you my faith by my[e] works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[f] 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[g] And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

Note the difference between James 2 here and the last 2 verses we looked at. There is a clear distinction between the word "works". In the last two verses... "works" is qualified as being OF THE LAW i.e. strict allegiance to the laws of Moses. But the "works" used in James 2 is radically different (note at no time is it spoken of with respect to the law, infact any reference to the law is completely absent here)... if you can put it in lay man terms, the "works" in James 2 can be regarded as FRUITS of the Spirit... for example... look at the first example James uses in verses 15-17... there is no law under Moses that commands you to give your food or clothes to your destitute brother or sister (if you find it in the 10 commandments then pls show me) so you are free to say a blessing and let them go... under the laws of Moses you are not condemned.

However, under the grace of Christ (that comes with salvation through faith in Jesus)... part of the heart-transformation that takes place is the compassion and love for your brother that becomes a natural part of you. The WORKS James then refers to here then is the outward expression of the saving grace of Jesus manifesting itself in the form of having mercy on your destitute brother, 100% trust and obedience to Christ as exhibited by Abraham in verses 23-24 and Rahab as spoken of in verse 25.

So by what are we justified? Through faith in Christ Jesus... however that justification manifests itself in the form of WORKS... not as unto the law but as fruits that come with being a new creature in Christ Jesus.

So you're saying that salvation is through faith and works.
Now if someone say on death row had a conversion to Christianity and was executed a week later, will this person be saved?

thehomer:

So you're saying that salvation is through faith and works.
Now if someone say on death row had a conversion to Christianity and was executed a week later, will this person be saved?

What do you think, your gut feeling ?

at david. LOL. you have internet yes? Now read the 16th -17th century king James version of the bible for those verses I posted. ALL your explanation gets thrown out of the window . the two above are obviously similar. while the two below are saying the direct opposite. You can come here and tell me I'm lazy or not in the spirit. I really think that's a cheap shot!

You see my good man, i strongly believe You are making a mistake. Listen, these texts have been modified over the years just to give folks like you credibility but it still cant
The bible is plagued with contradictions and some are so heavy that no matter how they are modified (while trying to keep the original meaning) they still present contradictions.

First of all it is important to ask you. Do you think the bible has been accurately preserved over the years and regenerated correctly??

If your answer is yes, My opinion is you need more research on the topic. If your answer is no then I put this second questions to you.

Do errors made by scribes and textual variance significantly impact any teaching of Jesus or the entire Christian faith?


We only have copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies ............
The earliest copy of Marks manuscripts (which is the earliest manuscript found) date back to around 0220. This is over 150 years after it was believed the original was written.

There are soooo many things that only appeared in later manuscripts and are no where to be found in the earliest ones (which are copies too)

Did Jesus really say "he without sin cast the first stone"? NO
Did Jesus really say "neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more"? NO!
Did Jesus really say "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creations. He who believes in me and is baptised will be saved but he who is not will be condemned"? No
Did Jesus really say "These are the signs that will accompany those who believe. In my name they will cast out demons, they will speak in new tongues, they will pick up serpents and if they drink any deadly thing it will not harm them" No
Does it matter that the idea of 1 John 5 : 7-8 to make them reflect the trinity only appeared in late manuscripts and not the earliests??
Does it matter that entire words, lines, paragraphs and pages were left out by some scribes?
Does it matter that numerous places in the new testament, scholars cannot agree what the original texts said?
Does it matter that there are places in the bible that we will never know what the original author wanted to say?

DO ALL THESE MATTER??
If your answer is no, then carry on with your faith! nothing I can say here will make you think differently


The word has been changed over the years (thousands at that) and one quote that makes so much sense by Prof Bart Erhman is
"If the bible was inspired by God without error, why didn't he find it necessary to preserve the bible without error?

If he then doesn't preserve the gospels without error, how can we then put our foot down to say he inspired it in the first place?

Area_boy: at david. LOL. you have internet yes? Now read the 16th -17th century king James version of the bible for those verses I posted. ALL your explanation gets thrown out of the window . the two above are obviously similar. while the two below are saying the direct opposite. You can come here and tell me I'm lazy or not in the spirit. I really think that's a cheap shot!

Yawn. More ridiculous nonsense. That is the personal version i have and it says nothing different from what i quoted above.

I notice how lazily you dismiss my explanations without putting up a reason why you think so.

Speaking with you blind folks is an exercise in futility. Its like a child sticking his 2 fingers in his ears and shouting that no one is listening to him.

... and as is usual to the confused atheist who is bereft of biblical understanding... note how he pivots away from his initial "contradiction" once it was tackled to raise MORE "contradictions". If you thought these folks were rational beings seeking logical answers then perish the thought.

frosbel:

What do you think, your gut feeling ?

you're wasting your time with these people.

davidylan:

Yawn. More ridiculous nonsense. That is the personal version i have and it says nothing different from what i quoted above.

I notice how lazily you dismiss my explanations without putting up a reason why you think so.

Speaking with you blind folks is an exercise in futility. Its like a child sticking his 2 fingers in his ears and shouting that no one is listening to him.

... and as is usual to the confused atheist who is bereft of biblical understanding... note how he pivots away from his initial "contradiction" once it was tackled to raise MORE "contradictions". If you thought these folks were rational beings seeking logical answers then perish the thought.

Davidylan, I think you need to be debunked again.

Honestly, can I open a thread where we can debate some contradictions in the bible that turned me away from christianity?

MacDaddy01:

Davidylan, I think you need to be debunked again.

Honestly, can I open a thread where we can debate some contradictions in the bible that turned me away from christianity?

Yawn. Why cant you just tackle the one area boy has raised and is struggling desperately to run away from since he obviously didnt expect anyone to address it and thus did not prepare himself for a rebuttal?

You can open 20 threads if you like... but it would be a waste of time because YOU will barely stay on topic. I get tired of addressing so called "contradictions" when it is obvious the goal of the atheist isnt to get clear answers but to continue jumping from "contradiction" to "contradiction".

davidylan:

Yawn. Why cant you just tackle the one area boy has raised and is struggling desperately to run away from since he obviously didnt expect anyone to address it and thus did not prepare himself for a rebuttal?

You can open 20 threads if you like... but it would be a waste of time because YOU will barely stay on topic. I get tired of addressing so called "contradictions" when it is obvious the goal of the atheist isnt to get clear answers but to continue jumping from "contradiction" to "contradiction".

Na you get time to dey ansa dem

davidylan:

Yawn. Why cant you just tackle the one area boy has raised and is struggling desperately to run away from since he obviously didnt expect anyone to address it and thus did not prepare himself for a rebuttal?

You can open 20 threads if you like... but it would be a waste of time because YOU will barely stay on topic. I get tired of addressing so called "contradictions" when it is obvious the goal of the atheist isnt to get clear answers but to continue jumping from "contradiction" to "contradiction".

All this tough guy talk was not there when I debunked your creationism

MacDaddy01:


All this tough guy talk was not there when I debunked your creationism

yawn again. Wake e when you have something creative to say.

davidylan:

Yawn. More ridiculous nonsense. That is the personal version i have and it says nothing different from what i quoted above.

I notice how lazily you dismiss my explanations without putting up a reason why you think so.

Speaking with you blind folks is an exercise in futility. Its like a child sticking his 2 fingers in his ears and shouting that no one is listening to him.

... and as is usual to the confused atheist who is bereft of biblical understanding... note how he pivots away from his initial "contradiction" once it was tackled to raise MORE "contradictions". If you thought these folks were rational beings seeking logical answers then perish the thought.

Absolutely not. you again call it lazy. It is pointless to go into your explanation in depth as you have hardened your heart to what you believe and will interpret the scripture to suit your point.

There is really no need for me to battle it out with you. Numerous bible scholars agree that these are contradictions, you still say it isn't. what then is the point?
There are sooooo many contradictions and for you to stay here and tell me otherwise makes it clear there's no point arguing with you mate!

A word of God should be what it is "WORD OF GOD" No other interpretation can be possible from words of a GOD!!

Since this isn't the case, why then do you read the bible different from any other book? If I gave you the Quran to read, How will you read it?

Area_boy:

Absolutely not. you again call it lazy. It is pointless to go into your explanation in depth as you have hardened your heart to what you believe and will interpret the scripture to suit your point.

lol ok lets keep things straight here. the problem isnt my hardened heart (i think you're projecting your own problem to me)... but the fact that your mind is already made up on a false explanation. You made no attempt to interprete those scriptures and provide EVIDENCE for your claims... all you did was spew out a bunch of verses, put out a conclusion then cry foul if anyone disagrees with you? and you sit there on mount olympus preaching to the choir? Get real dude.

Area_boy:
There is really no need for me to battle it out with you. Numerous bible scholars agree that these are contradictions, you still say it isn't. what then is the point?

and these "bible scholars" are? You're going to LIE now to defend the indefensible? Disgusting.

Area_boy:
There are sooooo many contradictions and for you to stay here and tell me otherwise makes it clear there's no point arguing with you mate!

But that is the problem... rather than deal with them 1 by 1... the typical copout is to avoid having to explain WHY you think your example is a "contradiction" by crying "there are soooo many"... well why dont you let us thrash them out?

Area_boy:
A word of God should be what it is "WORD OF GOD" No other interpretation can be possible from words of a GOD!!

That's ridiculous. A math book is a math book, why do people still fail to understand it?

Area_boy:
Since this isn't the case, why then do you read the bible different from any other book? If I gave you the Quran to read, How will you read it?

Confused rambling.

davidylan:

lol ok lets keep things straight here. the problem isnt my hardened heart (i think you're projecting your own problem to me)... but the fact that your mind is already made up on a false explanation. You made no attempt to interprete those scriptures and provide EVIDENCE for your claims... all you did was spew out a bunch of verses, put out a conclusion then cry foul if anyone disagrees with you? and you sit there on mount olympus preaching to the choir? Get real dude.



and these "bible scholars" are? You're going to LIE now to defend the indefensible? Disgusting.



But that is the problem... rather than deal with them 1 by 1... the typical copout is to avoid having to explain WHY you think your example is a "contradiction" by crying "there are soooo many"... well why dont you let us thrash them out?



That's ridiculous. A math book is a math book, why do people still fail to understand it?



Confused rambling.

1) False explanation?? are you serious with this?

James 2: 20-24
"20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. "

Clearly, this context is referring to having faith in the word (which is Jesus) as not the only way to achieve salvation. By talking about how Abraham served completely and let that manifest in what he did by almost killing his own son in the name of god. The only conclusion (which was even made in vs20 and 22) faith and works (which can only be translated into good deeds by faith) must go hand in hand for salvation. If we both then agree that the law of the land of Israel was given to them by god himself then this "work" by Abraham (which is obeying the word of God) is law?


note this gap again before you conclude I refer to everything as contradicting


Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. It is almost impossible to read this line out of context since it is actually a conclusion to a long narration that went on and on. Even in vs:20 it says the same thing "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight".

How these two verses are not contradicting themselves to you I really do not know. one says work is important and the other says it isn't. Yet you have the courage to call me blind?? Typically you resort to insulting individual personalities rather than sticking to the topic under discussion. It happens with you all the time.. we all know davidylan




2) You are indeed funny mate! do you know who a bible scholar is? Not your pastor in church . They devote their lives to searching in depth meanings and back up with historical findings in original manuscripts. If they say contradiction, it is wise to have a second look

3) I'm only warning you that you are trying to fight a lost battle. You rush and stick your head out for something you were born into with hardly any clue how it came about. thumbs up for the thinking man!!! we probably need a new thread on contradictions only. lets see how you fare

4) Just because someone doesnt understand a maths book doesnt mean the book tells you ADDITION and SUBTRACTION are the same thing

5) If you haven't got anything to say then say nothing.

Area_boy:

1) False explanation?? are you serious with this?

James 2: 20-24
"20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. "

Clearly, this context is referring to having faith in the word (which is Jesus) as not the only way to achieve salvation. By talking about how Abraham served completely and let that manifest in what he did by almost killing his own son in the name of god. The only conclusion (which was even made in vs20 and 22) faith and[b] works (which can only be translated into good deeds by faith)[/b] must go hand in hand for salvation. If we both then agree that the law of the land of Israel was given to them by god himself then this "work" by Abraham (which is obeying the word of God) is law?

this is ridiculous nonsense. Of course i made it quite clear in my response to you that faith and works goes hand in hand with salvation. However the problem here is the DEFINITION of that term "works". You actually described it PERFECTLY in the above highlighted phrase .... Note you said "good deeds BY FAITH"... i.e. just merely doing good deeds (e.g. obeying the law) was not enough. Those good deeds IN FAITH are simply an outward manifestation of the faith/salvation in Christ not mere obedience to the law.

Note again... James says that Abraham's obedience was imputed unto him for righteousness. But wait... balaam also obeyed the Lord, Balak also obeyed the Lord, why wasnt also imputed to them for righteousness? BECAUSE Abraham obeyed God as a consequence of his total faith and dependence on the truth of the word of God.

Area_boy:
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the[b] deeds of the law[/b]. It is almost impossible to read this line out of context since it is actually a conclusion to a long narration that went on and on. Even in vs:20 it says the same thing "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight".

If you cant spot the difference here then you and not the bible has a problem. In James you clearly understood that the "deeds" spoken of there was IN FAITH... but this new deeds/works spoken about here is OF THE LAW. See the huge difference?

Area_boy:
How these two verses are not contradicting themselves to you I really do not know. one says work is important and the other says it isn't. Yet you have the courage to call me blind?? Typically you resort to insulting individual personalities rather than sticking to the topic under discussion. It happens with you all the time.. we all know davidylan

You're spiritually blind. The works of the law are of no spiritual value under grace. But the works IN FAITH are an outward manifestation of salvation in Christ.

Area_boy:
2) You are indeed funny mate! do you know who a bible scholar is? Not your pastor in church . They devote their lives to searching in depth meanings and back up with historical findings in original manuscripts. If they say contradiction, it is wise to have a second look

3) I'm only warning you that you are trying to fight a lost battle. You rush and stick your head out for something you were born into with hardly any clue how it came about. thumbs up for the thinking man!!! we probably need a new thread on contradictions only. lets see how you fare

4) Just because someone doesnt understand a maths book doesnt mean the book tells you ADDITION and SUBTRACTION are the same thing

5) If you haven't got anything to say then say nothing.

and these "bible scholars" are? Cant you find them?

frosbel:

What do you think, your gut feeling ?

There is no afterlife.

davidylan:

BEFORE i proceed to show you where you're wrong in your response to my post, i'll like to know for the sake of clarity why you think the says two different things about salvation. Thank you.

That is because faith and works are independent of each other. One can have faith without works and another can have works without faith.
Just take a look at Ephesians 2: 8-9.

Bible NIV:
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Contrast that with Romans 2: 13.

Bible NIV:
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

thehomer:

That is because faith and works are independent of each other. One can have faith without works and another can have works without faith.
Just take a look at Ephesians 2: 8-9.



Contrast that with Romans 2: 13.

No they are not and you really should stop bleating when you are ignorant of a subject. Please read my riposte to areaboy... we clearly defined two clearly distinct types of "works". One that is based on the law and the other based on faith in the saving grace of Jesus.

davidylan:

No they are not and you really should stop bleating when you are ignorant of a subject. Please read my riposte to areaboy... we clearly defined two clearly distinct types of "works". One that is based on the law and the other based on faith in the saving grace of Jesus.

You should really stop neighing when you're ignorant and actually read the quoted passages. Romans 2:13 clearly says that it is those who obey the law that will be considered righteous.

Please read your Bible.

Previously posted elsewhere (abbreviated) https://www.nairaland.com/990487/morality-possible-without-authoritative-source/9#11487585

Enigma:
When evangelical atheists say they have read the Bible but only ever come up with the same "contradictions" or what we Christians call "difficult passages", they wonder why we are tempted to laugh at them for their ignorance or to shake head sadly for them for their duplicity/dishonesty . . .

thehomer:

You should really stop neighing when you're ignorant and actually read the quoted passages. Romans 2:13 clearly says that it is those who obey the law that will be considered righteous.

Please read your Bible.

Did you read the entire chapter to understand what it is talking about? Nah.... just quote one verse and make urself look dumb trying to build a mountain of ignorance on it.

davidylan:

Did you read the entire chapter to understand what it is talking about? Nah.... just quote one verse and make urself look dumb trying to build a mountain of ignorance on it.

Are you not fired of this failed defense?


Whenever someone exposes a contradiction or evil in the bible, it is always "misquoted" or "out of context" or "it has a deeper or metaphorical meaning"


Since when did only christians have the copyright to understanding the bible and its literature?

MacDaddy01:



Are you not fired of this failed defense?


Whenever someone exposes a contradiction or evil in the bible, it is always "misquoted" or "out of context" or "it has a deeper or metaphorical meaning"


Since when did only christians have the copyright to understanding the bible and its literature?

So i suppose any lay man should be perfectly able to explain the principles of organic chemistry from the college chemistry textbook despite never taking a single class in chemistry then? The stomach-wrenching idiocy that pervades these boards is incredible.

davidylan:

So i suppose any lay man should be perfectly able to explain the principles of organic chemistry from the college chemistry textbook despite never taking a single class in chemistry then? The stomach-wrenching idiocy that pervades these boards is incredible.

Lol.. so the Bible is an academic book now?

musKeeto:
Lol.. so the Bible is an academic book now?

you're joking right?
I know you're smart enough to understand what an analogy is, you're just another in a long line of nauseating deliberately dishonest folks who view the bible with bizarre double standards.
Somehow we require yrs of extensive study to certify someone as capable of understanding a chemistry textbook but atheists feel they shld just be able to pick the bible and explain it?

No the bible is not an academic book but it is one that requires a certain degree of diligent study to understand it.

Cool down bro.. No need to be so spiteful...

musKeeto: Cool down bro.. No need to be so spiteful...

spiteful where? Just because we are just as tired of reading the boiler plate nonsense that passes for biblical commentary from atheists these days?

I'm sorry but i dont take lightly those who think they can just come here and insult our intelligence with comments devoid of any attempt to think.