Too often, a man makes a mistake in an organized church setting and he's being chastised in one way or the other. The next thing is he is too proud to be humiliated and be chastised, he suddenly receive a "divine calling" into the MINISTRY. From ministry, he gathers congregation and start a church organization leading to denomination whereby division, malice and competition for fame strives.

Looking into the context of ministry, it is glaring that ministry had been turned into organized church setting like a one man organization contrary to bible teachings. Today's organized church claims to be a church but in the light of the word of God, they actually operate ministry, operating a one man show or one man business empire for the scripture teaches that an organized church must have pastor(s), elders, deacons, teachers etc and all of these ministry gifts must be functioning in their ministry within an organized church. Today's church are full of men who claim to have ministry and have converted such ministries into organized churches, hence making the church of God their personal properties without the true biblical structure of a true organized church as stated in the bible and running the organization of the church as a one man show.

Have you considered the difference between a ministry, a biblical organized church and denominations? What do you think? Only Christian/Believers talk, Atheists are not welcome.

Goshen360: Too often, a man makes a mistake in an organized church setting and he's being chastised in one way or the other. The next thing is he is too proud to be humiliated and be chastised, he suddenly receive a "divine calling" into the MINISTRY. From ministry, he gathers congregation and start a church organization leading to denomination whereby division, malice and competition for fame strives.

Looking into the context of ministry, it is glaring that ministry had been turned into organized church setting like a one man organization contrary to bible teachings. Today's organized church claims to be a church but in the light of the word of God, they actually operate ministry, operating a one man show or one man business empire for the scripture teaches that an organized church must have pastor(s), elders, deacons, teachers etc and all of these ministry gifts must be functioning in their ministry within an organized church. Today's church are full of men who claim to have ministry and have converted such ministries into organized churches, hence making the church of God their personal properties without the true biblical structure of a true organized church as stated in the bible and running the organization of the church as a one man show.

Have you considered the difference between a ministry, a biblical organized church and denominations? What do you think? Only Christian/Believers talk, Atheists are not welcome.

This happens a lot in these last days, they even tell lies against the Holy Spirit that they have been called to be separated to set up a church when the real reason is because of strive and divisions in the church they are leaving.

Christianity - a house built on sand and for Lucifer, hence the splits, schisms, denominations, doctrines, and so on and so forth; its foundation is not [url=http://yemitom./2012/07/15/e%e1%b9%a3u-is-the-true-name-of-the-rock-of-ages/]the Rock[/url]!

http://www.lucistrust.org/en/arcane_school/talks_and_articles/the_esoteric_meaning_of_lucifer

http://www.lucistrust.org/en/service_activities/triangles/information

@amor4ce, so that's what they teach you guys? God forbid I ever have anything to do with any of u. Btw are u guys related to lucifer?

You can check out those links of the Lucis Trust website for yourself and you would see that they meditate and carry out other energy channelling activities for the manifestation of Christ. Which Christ would that be if not Jesus (Zeus)?

iv4fb:

@amor4ce, so that's what they teach you guys? God forbid I ever have anything to do with any of u. Btw are u guys related to lucifer?

If the foundations be destroyed what can the righteous do?

OLAADEGBU:

If the foundations be destroyed what can the righteous do?

The thread clearly says not for atheists. But you just had to post something that could lure the atheists in... rubbish..

musKeeto:
The thread clearly says not for atheists. But you just had to post something that could lure the atheists in... rubbish..

Even though you are tempted to poke your nose into this thread we don't need you to sympathise with us. We have diagnosed the problem and by God's grace are going to fix it.

Goshen360: Too often, a man makes a mistake in an organized church setting and he's being chastised in one way or the other. The next thing is he is too proud to be humiliated and be chastised, he suddenly receive a "divine calling" into the MINISTRY. From ministry, he gathers congregation and start a church organization leading to denomination whereby division, malice and competition for fame strives.

Looking into the context of ministry, it is glaring that ministry had been turned into organized church setting like a one man organization contrary to bible teachings. Today's organized church claims to be a church but in the light of the word of God, they actually operate ministry, operating a one man show or one man business empire for the scripture teaches that an organized church must have pastor(s), elders, deacons, teachers etc and all of these ministry gifts must be functioning in their ministry within an organized church. Today's church are full of men who claim to have ministry and have converted such ministries into organized churches, hence making the church of God their personal properties without the true biblical structure of a true organized church as stated in the bible and running the organization of the church as a one man show.

Have you considered the difference between a ministry, a biblical organized church and denominations? What do you think? Only Christian/Believers talk, Atheists are not welcome.

u got it correct bro......these days churches are now like an individuals property....
thats some of these so called clerics can buy jets and cruise round d world with it...becvause its obvious that it is nw therepersonal business......

i prefer an organization that deals more with bodies of elders,deacons etc......
where there aint no general overseer,like an oga.....

ijawkid:


u got it correct bro......these days churches are now like an individuals property....
thats some of these so called clerics can buy jets and cruise round d world with it...becvause its obvious that it is nw therepersonal business......

i prefer an organization that deals more with bodies of elders,deacons etc......
where there aint no general overseer,like an oga.....

You mean the catholic church?

OLAADEGBU:

Even though you are tempted to poke your nose into this thread we don't need you to sympathise with us. We have diagnosed the problem and by God's grace are going to fix it.

It was a simple message from Goshen360. Thread is not for atheists. The image you used is simply a bait for those atheists to come in. Christians like you who feel that Christian threads should not be derailed should not leave baits.
*watching thread from sidelines. great topic, Goshen*

Logicbwoy:

You mean the catholic church?

It seems u still got some love for the catholic church??lol...

Well don't u think the pope is like the over all OGA in d catholic church??

How many popes can d catholic church have??

ijawkid:

It seems u still got some love for the catholic church??lol...

Well don't u think the pope is like the over all OGA in d catholic church??

How many popes can d catholic church have??

I gots no love for the pedophiles!

Goshen360: Too often, a man makes a mistake in an organized church setting and he's being chastised in one way or the other. The next thing is he is too proud to be humiliated and be chastised, he suddenly receive a "divine calling" into the MINISTRY. From ministry, he gathers congregation and start a church organization leading to denomination whereby division, malice and competition for fame strives.

Looking into the context of ministry, it is glaring that ministry had been turned into organized church setting like a one man organization contrary to bible teachings. Today's organized church claims to be a church but in the light of the word of God, they actually operate ministry, operating a one man show or one man business empire for the scripture teaches that an organized church must have pastor(s), elders, deacons, teachers etc and all of these ministry gifts must be functioning in their ministry within an organized church. Today's church are full of men who claim to have ministry and have converted such ministries into organized churches, hence making the church of God their personal properties without the true biblical structure of a true organized church as stated in the bible and running the organization of the church as a one man show.

Have you considered the difference between a ministry, a biblical organized church and denominations? What do you think? Only Christian/Believers talk, Atheists are not welcome.

The root of all the schisms in the body of christ is very simple.
It's origin.
A cactus tree can never produce an orange fruit. It is impossible.
Just look at the how christianity was founded,built, managed and propagated ,and then compare it whit how it is run today.
What is the common denominator?

Fraud, Fraud, Fraud.That is all you will see.
Jesus and his disciples might have meant well, but everything after his demise has been one contrived fraud after another. From the early bishops of Rome to The infallible popes and their papal bulls(from whence we get the word bull.shit), to the present day scammers called the PFN(pentecostal Fraudsters of Nigera).Its just one strand of fraudulent DNA perpetuaing itself.

Nothing good will ever come of it. It will only get more desperate and worse.
You dont need any other proof.
Nigeria is a good example.

Logicbwoy:

I gots no love for the pedophiles!

poor lil child...

ijawkid:

poor lil child...

Ode....how old are you?

The real truth we should educate our fellow Christians and young believers that are being lured into this falsehood and deception of one man show that they claimed to be ministry but turned into church is that church is different from ministry. When a man says he has a ministry and using church to run his ministry, he is cleverly saying am running a one man business in the name of God for my personal/family benefits. This is very contrary to church organization in the word of God. One thing people are not likely to see in the falsehood of false prophets is that, they will so do things very cleverly to the extend it will almost be difficult to spot error from the truth unless one is grounded well in scriptures

Today, we see people naming church after their ministry. We see father (founder) cunningly installing his son/wife while he is still alive to take over after him, the founder. Those this mean there are no good people in such church to take after the founder? Jesus never installed all his family members to establish the church even though his family members participated in the early church. Today, there are churches operated as ministry with ALL family members installed in key positions from father to the least of the family member and the people of God used as merchandise for family establishment and cunningly called church. We do not have such practice in the church of Jesus.My job/ministry is to "open the eyes of them that sit in darkness". What do you do with good knowledge gained from good threads on this board? Use it wisely. Should you be in such one man or family establishment, cunningly called church; kindly seek the face of God and allow God lead you out of such place to the place where you will grow by the word.

Goshen360: The real truth we should educate our fellow Christians and young believers that are being lured into this falsehood and deception of one man show that they claimed to be ministry but turned into church is that church is different from ministry. When a man says he has a ministry and using church to run his ministry, he is cleverly saying am running a one man business in the name of God for my personal/family benefits. This is very contrary to church organization in the word of God. One thing people are not likely to see in the falsehood of false prophets is that, they will so do things very cleverly to the extend it will almost be difficult to spot error from the truth unless one is grounded well in scriptures

Today, we see people naming church after their ministry. We see father (founder) cunningly installing his son/wife while he is still alive to take over after him, the founder. Those this mean there are no good people in such church to take after the founder? Jesus never installed all his family members to establish the church even though his family members participated in the early church. Today, there are churches operated as ministry with ALL family members installed in key positions from father to the least of the family member and the people of God used as merchandise for family establishment and cunningly called church. We do not have such practice in the church of Jesus.My job/ministry is to "open the eyes of them that sit in darkness". What do you do with good knowledge gained from good threads on this board? Use it wisely. Should you be in such one man or family establishment, cunningly called church; kindly seek the face of God and allow God lead you out of such place to the place where you will grow by the word.

Lets have a simple discussion.


Wouldnt it be the best solution to make religion a personal thing and become more secular? As long as christianity is given priviledge, tithe frauds will always soil the name of christianity.

Logicbwoy:

Lets have a simple discussion.

Wouldnt it be the best solution to make religion a personal thing and become more secular? As long as christianity is given priviledge, tithe frauds will always soil the name of christianity.

Religion as you mentioned will be a personal thing but a practice of "church" and "ministry" are not the same thing. I do not support tithing because It's not a new testament thing. Aside, not everyone in Israel were commanded to tithe but all were required to give, no matter how little it may be. We all have something to give but we don't all have the biblical content of tithe - crops and animals.

The purpose of this thread is to be an eye opener to those that will care to listen and act wisely. The "church" of God is not to run as "ministry" where it is being administered as personal business, one man show and the people of God used as merchandise to manage a family establishment that is cleverly named "church" on the surface but the practice of a biblical church is absent.

Goshen360:

Religion as you mentioned will be a personal thing but a practice of "church" and "ministry" are not the same thing. I do not support tithing because It's not a new testament thing. Aside, not everyone in Israel were commanded to tithe but all were required to give, no matter how little it may be. We all have something to give but we don't all have the biblical content of tithe - crops and animals.

The purpose of this thread is to be an eye opener to those that will care to listen and act wisely. The "church" of God is not to run as "ministry" where it is being administered as personal business, one man show and the people of God used as merchandise to manage a family establishment that is cleverly named "church" on the surface but the practice of a biblical church is absent.

Every church has the tendency of tithe fraud. Simple. There is even misuse of funds in the catholic church even though it is the most organized church in the world

Logicbwoy:

Every church has the tendency of tithe fraud. Simple. There is even misuse of funds in the catholic church even though it is the most organized church in the world

Your statement highlighted is not 100% true. There are many churches that don't practice tithing because they know the truth about God's true/biblical tithing. There is a church here in the USA, their leader is called John MacArthur, he is a strong bible teacher of truth, his church is about 25,000 members. They never tithe "money" but practice giving. There are also many more I know too well that don't practice tithing. And when you use such words as "Simple", it means you "probably" have a concluded point in your mind and thinks that is final. It's not true, not "Every" church has the tendency of tithe fraud.

Goshen360: Too often, a man makes a mistake in an organized church setting and he's being chastised in one way or the other. The next thing is he is too proud to be humiliated and be chastised, he suddenly receive a "divine calling" into the MINISTRY. From ministry, he gathers congregation and start a church organization leading to denomination whereby division, malice and competition for fame strives.

Looking into the context of ministry, it is glaring that ministry had been turned into organized church setting like a one man organization contrary to bible teachings. Today's organized church claims to be a church but in the light of the word of God, they actually operate ministry, operating a one man show or one man business empire for the scripture teaches that an organized church must have pastor(s), elders, deacons, teachers etc and all of these ministry gifts must be functioning in their ministry within an organized church. Today's church are full of men who claim to have ministry and have converted such ministries into organized churches, hence making the church of God their personal properties without the true biblical structure of a true organized church as stated in the bible and running the organization of the church as a one man show.

Have you considered the difference between a ministry, a biblical organized church and denominations? What do you think? Only Christian/Believers talk, Atheists are not welcome.

I am sorry goshen but in Nigeria....they will never be a difference...to many 'Church and Tithe Cards' is the next big thing and thats why i smh at all Nigerian ministries/groups etc...They claim the noble call but alas they are far from that...

Goshen360:

Your statement highlighted is not 100% true. There are many churches that don't practice tithing because they know the truth about God's true/biblical tithing. There is a church here in the USA, their leader is called John MacArthur, he is a strong bible teacher of truth, his church is about 25,000 members. They never tithe "money" but practice giving. There are also many more I know too well that don't practice tithing. And when you use such words as "Simple", it means you "probably" have a concluded point in your mind and thinks that is final. It's not true, not "Every" church has the tendency of tithe fraud.

As long as there is tithing/offering, there is always the risk of tithe fraud.

mkmyers45:

I am sorry goshen but in Nigeria....they will never be a difference...to many 'Church and Tithe Cards' is the next big thing and thats why i smh at all Nigerian ministries/groups etc...They claim the noble call but alas they are far from that...

You are right my brother. I am here to be part of the ones to open the eyes of our fellow Christian, for those who care to listen anyway. You can't force people to follow the truth. The issue of "tithe card" is a devilish practice. Even the Israelites that tithes from their crops and animals never had such instructions from God to monitor their tithing. Such practice is satanic and I strongly stand against it. God is raising his new breed without greed that will clean up the household of faith.

I tink d problem is simple,

BUISNES IS BECOMING CHURCHEOS-even niteclub,armedrobers, prostitute pray b4 they begin their operation

CHURCH IS BCOMING MORE BUISNESMINDED- compulsory tithe,thankgiviimg,ofertory,


pastors prefer praying for politcian,humantrafickers,ocultist etc to succeed in their activity so they can be members of the church and give to the church

INVESTMENT, NO BODY WANT TO PREACH

Begin to count days henceforth, God is preparing men that will not bow to Baals like the days of Elijah. God is raising back a "voice crying in the wilderness" like that of John the Baptist. These men will defy the norms and common practices of today's man-made churchianity, these men will stand to the truth of the word of God, they will look to face-to-face with corrupt politicians and tell them "thus saith the Lord". Men that will not corrupt themselves with the King's portion like Daniel. Men that will speak the truth of God's word UNDILUTED AND UNTRADITIONAL. The days are near, it shall come to past saith the Spirit of the Lord.

Goshen360: Begin to count days henceforth, God is preparing men that will not bow to Baals like the days of Elijah. God is raising back a "voice crying in the wilderness" like that of John the Baptist. These men will defy the norms and common practices of today's man-made churchianity, these men will stand to the truth of the word of God, they will look to face-to-face with corrupt politicians and tell them "thus saith the Lord". Men that will not corrupt themselves with the King's portion like Daniel. Men that will speak the truth of God's word UNDILUTED AND UNTRADITIONAL. The days are near, it shall come to past saith the Spirit of the Lord.

Yah yah yah. We have heard that before. He is going to bring the men from the moon or Mars.
And why doesn't god try women for a change?
God is always trying new things. I wonder why the previous things just dont seem to work.
Daahhh. When is he ever gonna get it right?

Every January, Adeboye is tells us that god is going to do a new thing for Nigeria. Indeed, we are seeing his new things everyday.

mkmyers45:

I am sorry goshen but in Nigeria....they will never be a difference...to many 'Church and Tithe Cards' is the next big thing and thats why i smh at all Nigerian ministries/groups etc...They claim the noble call but alas they are far from that...

Actually, I know of a few gatherings of believers in Nigeria where God is faithfully worshiped.

Logicbwoy:

Ode....how old are you?

I'm an old kid..

OLAADEGBU:

Even though you are tempted to poke your nose into this thread we don't need you to sympathise with us. We have diagnosed the problem and by God's grace are going to fix it.

Ah, interesting point. In the days when Christians could discuss among themselves on this forum without much obnoxious interference, challenging one another on beliefs and practices was common place here. Of course when the challenges take place (and of course get heated as they do sometimes) outsiders and misguided folk will be shouting, "the Christians are not united"; "they are 'fighting' one another" etc. And of course in the context of people agitating for Christian only discussions, some people will mock and scoff that "well you Christians will only end up 'fighting' anyway".

On the other hand, now that many Christians maintain silence or low profile, the mockers and scoffers say "look, the Christians are afraid and are avoiding this thread or the other like the plague" etc etc". They do not realise that sometimes the Christians are just paying heed (as many are now beginning to do) to the old advice not to argue with mad people as much as the argument is avoidable.

Logicbwoy:

You mean the catholic church?

d catholic has oga nah...pope

Before d digress into tithe nd all dt...bro goshen, y do u think jesus used d word 'may' they be one in his prayer to d father in john 17? With respect to d different denominations