DissTroy:
Me: I don't believe in its efficacy on me, but they do certain things science hasn't been able to explain.

Him: I have the explanations. Binary calculations, lost knowledge, odu ifa. You're ignorant.

Me: Alright. What binary calculations? 0s and 1s?

Him: No! You are ignorant! Don't ask me. You won't understand. You can't understand. I spent millions to study the lost knowledge. It's science.

Me: Alright. Explain.

Him: None of you can understand (even when he hasn't met anyone here in person or had personal interactions with any). It's complex science you can never understand. You are all ignorant! I'm too busy writing the complex calculations. Don't disturb me.

Any concept you can't explain depicts ignorance of the subject matter. You know what's worse than ignorance? Loudmouthed whataboutism to cover up your knowledge vacuum.

Typing trash all about. The physical mechanism underlying your juju has been explained already using the interactions of exotic matter/energy with ordinary matter and backed with examples such as Cayley's numbers, Hamiltonian mathematical formalism.

Read about those and stop embarrassing yourself in public. I've written papers and a comprehensive book on those feats you call juju, and I developed new physics and math for them.

But it's highly valuable knowledge, not free. Stone-age reasoning in the 21st century.

If you see any event or happening in your surroundings that can't be explained by any of the current scientific theories, models, laws, or principles, the best step to take if you're in the science line is to develop the science (the physical mechanism) for that thing instead of calling it juju or supernatural.

In the physical realms, supernatural phenomena and events don't exist; it's a universal principle. Things you call supernatural or juju today will soon be demystified by scientists, and they will become ordinary.

But if such scientists can come from Africa, it'll benefit us all a lot as a people.

DissTroy:


LOL. This is typical you being evasive. Existential questions aren't limited to any field. And it's pretty presumptuous of you to posit that the folks here aren't scientifically-inclined because of their belief system.

Adeboye has a PhD in Mathematics - a professorship actually, which you haven't attained . One of the guys here majored in Mathematics. There are engineers on this board. Data scientists and techies too whose life work revolves around science and its applicable concepts. But somehow you assume you know better than them.


When in fact, the real truth is, you don't have the explanations for everything. While some of us can humbly admit it - there's no shame in admitting you have no answer for every poser in life, you'd rather ride on your fantasy horse into egoland.

Lols, the explanation I gave you is plain and simple enough and has already stated the physical mechanism underlying those feats you call juju. But you expect me to type a treatise or dissertation on the topic as if Nairaland is a journal.

As I stated before, everyone is not as ignorant as you're when it comes to certain issues in life. The problem or silly assumption you've is you think there are some things scientists can't explain, and you call such juju, supernatural.

But you didn't check the history books and see that the same was said in the past about many things you see as ordinary today, which people regarded as juju in the past.

If scientists can't explain such phenomena now, their objective explanation won't remain hidden for long.

So, I should be giving you highly valuable knowledge, which I invested lots of money, effort, time and years of research to get for free here on Nairaland. You must be joking.

adambeatz:


Lol, bro this is why it's important to seek knowledge above all else, I expected this guy to go online and using key points you've dropped to do his own research and then get back to you but naaaah he decides to challenge without research.

To further add to your point, have people ever wondered why and how antenna is made, take a look at your hair, how is nuclear energy been made, take a look at your liver, how is the pastors imams,satanists, and native doctors able to control the spiritual take a look at your pineal gland. Do you know the Morse code was created from listening to the African talking drum.

It's such a wonder that the people with the most abundant gift(pineal gland which produces melanin) from the creator happen to be the most stupid of all races caring for noting more than materialism and ignorance. They don't know that if they can decalcify their pineal gland and raise their vibrations the few who hold the power would be forced to surrender because that which was hidden everyone has a good understanding of it hence no need to lord and master over any one. The white people hold a Conference every year to study we melanated people without inviting any melanin nation to partake. Are you guys aware melanin is used in making the chips of super computers. Are people aware there are 3 kinds of people, people who don't dream, people who dream and see their dreams in black and white and people who dream in colors. I could go on and on but only a few would really grasp what I'm saying.....

About the talking drum aspect, NASA has various programs for developing technologies and systems by learning from natural history and mimicking elements of nature.

Oyinbo people always get inspiration from African practices in their research projects, but beliefs in juju are a serious bane for people in this part of the world.

DissTroy:


Your postulations are all seemingly thought-provoking, but wouldn't the easier explanation have been you explaining in detail the scientific phenomena and concepts behind causing a shallow still pond begin to fast-whirl at the center in a vortex when it isn't windy and making it stop when they choose to?

That's the explanation we'd like to read from you since you have all the answers for these things.

I've already explained the underlying science briefly. If I go deeper, you and your ilk won't understand it since you're not in that line. So, there's no point.

Nairaland isn't a scientific community where person go dey post equations and mathematical models to explain things.

Ab0bii:

See as you make me just de laugh.

Them larry use ifa mathematics to launch google is an outright falsehood. Do you have any proof to back this up?

The proof is already in the post. Learn binary mathematics first. That's the issue you've. You don't understand binary mathematics and how it underlies Ifa and the programming (coding) underlying Google.

When people say Oyinbo people used black slaves to develop the West in the slavery and colonial era, it's a fact, not something made up.

Ab0bii:

So Larry and page come to yoruba land and steak the mathematics behind ifa to launch Google? Or did they send someone to steal it and give them? I have learnt something new today. Thanks




BTW I'm waiting to see your big technology using the ifa practice since you know the mathematics behind it.

Thanks for the information you taught me.

Many artefacts and knowledge were stolen from Nigeria and other parts of Africa by the whites during the colonial and slavery era.

Those captured as slaves and transported to the West took the knowledge of Ifa with them abroad, and some of this knowledge influenced the philosophy and thinking of the whites, who applied them to develop technologies.

Oracle in computer programming, Google, and the likes have their roots in Ifa (oracle).

Ab0bii:

Like I said, I'm waiting for you to develop one big technology with ifa since you know the mathematics behind it

You go wait forever if you think I'd say such here. The Google you're using was developed using Binary Mathematics of Odu Ifa. "Odu" itself is the Yoruba word for "code". People just don't call Google Ifa for nothing.

The mathematics underlying computer programming as a whole is binary mathematics, which has been in Odu Ifa for ages.

How would Ifa people know that when they think Ifa is juju?

Ab0bii:

Oga answer me. I no Sabi anything true true so just teach me once and I will appreciate.

Which country use ifa to develop any big technology?

Since you know the mathematics behind ifa, what have you use it to develop? Or should we wait for something hooge?

Already answered in my past post.

Ab0bii:

Which mathematics is behind the ifa practice? You are talking to a yoruba man here. Like I said, I'm waiting for you to develop one big technology with ifa since you know the mathematics behind it

Some mathematical functions and equations underlie it. But I won't go into details here. Briefly, the mathematics that underlies Ifa is Abstract Algebra (Group Theory), Binary Mathematics, and Statistics (Probability).

But it's deeper than that. There's a deeper, more profound math underlying it, which is a completely new math. That's not meant for Nairaland.

When an Ifa priest does his consultation using those cowries and shells, he's doing what we call composition or permutation in Group Theory. The Yoruba word for it is "amulu".

Such an activity can simply be represented by a composition table (Cayley table) in Abstract Algebra. No need to go into details here.

Ab0bii:

De lie small small na, which foreign country use ifa to develop big technology? If you no answer this one I fit vex for you now.


Which mathematics is behind the ifa practice? You are talking to a yoruba man here. Like I said, I'm waiting for you to develop one big technology with ifa since you know the mathematics behind it

You no sabi anything. Lols

Ab0bii:

Please mention me when you use the knowledge and mathematics of ifa practice to build a big technology or invent the small ones.

That information isn't meant for here.

People have used Ifa to develop technologies already now. You don't know Ifa is what underlies the Google you're using? It's the mathematics underlying Ifa that was used in build Google by the whites.

You think people just call Google Ifa for nothing or as a joke?

Ab0bii:

Did you believe in God?

E be like say you're new here. I'm an agnostic.

DissTroy:


That's why I stated in my first post to you that what you saw in the video is nothing compared to the real thing practised. There's nothing in the video but amusement.
Masquerades are tricks. Even the feared Ekpo masquerade is a trick, including the blood-cuddling sound it makes. I know I've seen them dress up a few years ago when I went visiting.
The fire-spitting ones are tricks too.

The more intriguing ones include causing a fast-whirling vortex in the middle of hitherto still shallow pond without stepping into the water body. There's no way I analysed what I saw and could come up with a physical law which explained it. No, it wasn't windy.

That's you. Everyone has their own gifts or callings. Some people were born to explain such feats. All these things you mentioned are simply physical manifestations of exotic energy or exotic matter.

Exotic matter or energies are special matter/energies, not the everyday matter we're familiar with. In the same vein, there are special numbers, which are not the everyday numbers (such as natural numbers, integers, real numbers complex numbers) we're familiar with.

Examples of such special numbers are quaternions (Hamilton's numbers) and octonions (Cayley's numbers). Exotic matter/energy is like that, too.

In my culture, Isese practitioners often use such to do one rite or the other. But they don't know some science underlie whay they're doing.

Such exotic matter or energy has mysterious properties when it interacts with normal matter (the everyday matter we're familiar with), and these properties are often regarded as juju or supernatural by many.

But those that know the underlying science don't see it as such. If I attend any local festival, I observe how the magicians use such exotic matter/energy to manipulate the perception of their audience and dazzle them.

Those ones will think they're looking at juju. But it's all science. And soon, many won't some of these things as juju any longer when the science underlying them becomes popular.

Ab0bii:

Tell me your own definition of juju first. Maybe we are arguing on different topics

I've told you already. What you call juju or supernatural are natural phenomena. But due to your limitations of knowledge and understanding of the mysteries of nature, that's why you see them as such.

Real juju is simply unexplained science, but it won't be so for long, and it's not everyone that has such limited understanding or knowledge.

If you know or do science to a certain level, you won't see such as juju because they're simply natural manifestations.

For instance, in the Yoruba culture, I know the underlying mathematics of the body of knowledge called Ifa even though I'm not an Ifa priest and don't worship Ifa or any deity/god.

But I've done a lot of studies on Odu Ifa and discovered the underlying mathematics.

So, I may decide to go for an Ifa consultation someday just to test the practical knowledge of the concept. People into Ifa don't know the underlying math and physics (the equations, functions, and the likes) underlying Ifa.

What they've is practical knowledge which they inherited from their forefathers and also learnt, and they call it juju. If they've the scientific knowledge, they'll build technologies with Ifa.

It's the knowledge of science you use to invent and build technologies.

To get that knowledge of science, you need to question everything you think you know. But religious and cultural constraints won't allow many to do such.

Because of this, people that know Ifa practically mostly don't understand the underlying science. And why is that so? Because they call it juju.

That tactic of calling seemingly mysterious feats juju has been used to hide knowledge and scare people over the years.

Ideally, Ifa or Afa is highly valuable knowledge which can be used to build big technologies and solve many problems faced in society.

But beliefs in juju won't allow people to do such. So, it's intelligent people from foreign countries that ended up using Ifa to develop big technologies such as Google and computers.

And Ifa/Afa people would be complaining they stolen their knowledge.

That's why it's good to study everything scientifically and stop seeing every mysterious thing as juju, supernatural. It keeps people backward and underdeveloped.

DissTroy:


Juju is a form of religious rite. I don't believe in its efficacy on me, but those who believe in its efficacy have their reasons which I can't dispute.

You call it programming, some call it conjuring, the Ibibios call it "ibok', the Yorubas call it " Ogun"... It all points to metaphysics - beyond-physical, advanced-physical... Or whatever term you'd tag it.

For me, Juju is just a practice.



You are unwittingly agreeing with me. The fact that you agree there's an intelligent designer or designers to the universe is proof that we live in a metaphysical or beyond-physical world.

My lack of believe in its personal efficacy doesn't negate what others believe. I don't believe in tithes or first fruits practised in Christianity but if it works for them - IF, good for them. Far be it from DissTróy to ridicule their personal experiences as long as they don't force it on me.

I believe in the concept of God, experienced without the bottleneck of organised religions, knowing well enough that God in this term means "supreme intelligent designer of the universe in whatever form it exists" which even the most atheistic of scientists agree to.

I understand you clearly. All these are beliefs. Science deals with reality.

Like in your culture, my culture also has deep belief in juju. But I simply tell people that it's all science. If you don't know the underlying science of something, that's when you call it juju.

This is due to ignorance or limitations of knowledge.

Concerning the nature of God, that's a settled issue for me as an agnostic now and in the foreseeable future. I've scientific (objective) of that and its practical applications.

Ab0bii:

Here you go again. Did you ever see or read about a lady been used by a Yahoo boy? I guess this one too is unexplained science.

Did you hear of a single rope laid on the ground and the person that match it takes up a disease with swollen legs. Unexplained science again

Did you believe that a gun cannot penetrate someones body? Unexplained science

Y'all claiming littrates online just to make you look posh disgust me. Even where the whites that mention that word science to you are heavily involved in juju practice. You will seat here and just believe everything Hook line and sinker simply because one white man says so

Na all these you call juju? Dis man no sabi anything. Lols, I don laugh tire

larride:


Otem bless you.

Lols, clown

Ab0bii:

Oga which one is unexplained science? You are not talking to kids here.

I'm telling you that juju existed and ask you to explain some things which I didn't consider natural and you are here talking about unexplained science. Let's just agree that it's your unexplained science but until it will be explained, I will consider it as juju.

Na your opinion now. Even till now, there are people that still call cold, malaria, and similar ailments juju, spiritual attacks even when the majority have become enlightened about their real nature.

A region with many juju believers are often underdeveloped and backward. The word "juju" is used to scare people away from investigating inexplicable phenomena and unraveling the mysteries underlying them.

It's an old tactic used by fraudsters and conmen to scam unsuspecting people.

Science will unravel and demystify all things called juju.

larride:
Otem be praised.

Mumu don start in a new year. You no still get sense in a new year, . Lols, mumuni don graduate from praising a fictional character to praising a nairalander. New year, same stupidity

Ab0bii:

Have you ever investigated blood money? I wan check something

This one is mostly selling of human parts. If you believe that nonsense shown on Nollywood movies, you're on a long thing.

Anything that manifests on Earth is governed by laws of nature, which are physical. It's when your understanding of such laws is limited that you'll be looking for juju all about, or if you want to deceive others by hiding your knowledge.

If you know the technique you're saying clearly, you mention its name. Every technology or technique has a name and underlying sciences.

If it doesn't, then it's simply fake and doesn't exist.

If you're an atheist or agnostic in Africa, I'd recommend that you don't dismiss claims of the juju or the supernatural whenever you come across such. Simply ask for the proof.

Based on my own research, what's called juju is either unexplained science or fakes.

One can discover new sciences by investigating all these juju claims. However, it's a risky endeavor.

You know the volume of juju claims I don investigate in the past 8 years. Investigating juju is my own hobby. There's nothing like juju. It's either science or superstition.

Ab0bii:
@A001

Dem no de tell person. There is real juju my brother, i pray you should not learn about it the hard way.

It beat my imagination how one will make a sweeping and general statement concerning what he is not sure of. The existence of supernatural powers is real and only an uninformed person will say otherwise

Can you cite examples of real juju? This man is funny

Ab0bii:
@A001

Dem no de tell person. There is real juju my brother, i pray you should not learn about it the hard way.

It beat my imagination how one will make a sweeping and general statement concerning what he is not sure of. The existence of supernatural powers is real and only an uninformed person will say otherwise

Lols, it's ignorance or limitations in understanding that make you call such juju. Or you're being deceitful.

It's either science or fakes.

DissTroy:


Like I stated, I'm more of a skeptic and cynic for most parts. Even an Atheist for years before becoming a Deist.

But I've seen the Uruan people in their elements. I have nothing to benefit from painting a subgroup as still very much in touch with their native fetishisms vis-à-vis practising Christians. If anything, I have set them up for possible dragging and labeling.

Still, the truth is the truth, and it's harsh sometimes. We live in a metaphysical world. We have no explanation for everything. There are many phenomena science can't explain till date. Heck! Scientists even dismiss their own varying theories of how the universe came to be, but they agree there's an intelligent deliberate design to the universe.
And deliberate intelligent design is proof of an intelligent designer or designers. A designer is a creator. 0.5 x 1 = 1/2 .

I've seen things which shake my cynicism and skepticism. You have too. Including the viewing public.

Those things you call supernatural are seen as natural by some people. It's limitations in perception and understanding that make people regard them as supernatural.

When scientists discover the laws of nature underlying such phenomena, they'll become seen as normal, ordinary by many.

This has been happening in many human eras. Cold, malaria, jaundice, even common headache were all regarded as spiritual (supernatural) attacks in the past. Today, most people don't see them that way due to key advances in medical science.

The same fate awaits those phenomena you call spiritual, supernatural, juju today. In fact, as we speak, scientists are doing studies on some of them, and when they make breakthroughs in them, new sciences will emerge and new technologies.

This is what has been happening with many phenomena regarded as juju, supernatural by the masses.

Those things you call juju are purely physical. I can't go into too much details here. But certain laws of nature, which are mathematical, govern them.

If you see some mathematical functions and equations underlying all these things, you'll shudder.

Don't deceive yourself or let anyone deceive you. The matrix we call reality was designed and engineered by certain people (worshipped as different gods and goddesses around the world) using certain codes (certain math, physics, and the likes) the same way engineers design and code machines today.

And planet Earth is governed by physical laws. If you don't know many of such laws, that's when you'll see phenomena above your understanding as juju, voodoo, supernatural, which will make you prone to scams.

There's nothing like juju in a physical realm like Earth. Everything here is physical.

About the designer you mentioned, if you want to know the designer in your own culture, that's the chief god or major gods/goddesses worshipped there by the pagans.

And those ones have also their own designers as well.

Each culture has its own designers. It's all advanced programming the gods (higher beings) do.

The programming done in Computer Science and the likes is elementary. The matrix we call reality itself came about from programming done by past humans worshipped as one god or the other in different parts of the world.

Due to limitations in understanding of mysteries of nature in different eras, the supernatural or juju of one generation are the ordinary, normal things of the next generation.

People that look for supernatural (spiritual) phenomena in the physical realms such as Earth can be likened to a person seeking to harvest yam when he planted cassava.

Earth is just one of the many realms (worlds) in existence, and the laws of nature in each world are different. The physical realms such as Earth are governed by physical laws, which are studied by what we call science.

In other realms (called "orun" in Yoruba or spiritual realms), there are also laws of nature, which are perceived as supernatural relative (compared) to the earthly realm.

There are no supernatural phenomena in the physical realms such as Earth. If you're seeking for such, shamans and fraudsters go scam you tire.

The supernatural phenomena happen in other realms called "orun" (in Yoruba) or spiritual in the general context. These are non-physical realms, and you sometimes journey to them in your dreams.

Physical realms such as Earth are governed by physical laws (Mathematics, Physics, Biology, Chemistry, Psychology, and the likes), while non-physical realms are governed by non-physical laws.

That's the plain truth.

How will people enjoy stable power supply, good health facilities, good roads, and other basic amenities as we've in many parts of the West, China and the likes when natural phenomena and happenings are seen as juju, voodoo, supernatural?

Such mentality keeps a people in darkness and underdeveloped.

DissTroy:


KingTom knows the fetishisms of the Efiks very well. Even as fetish as they are, the Obong of Calabar must go pay homage to the Uruans of Akwa Ibom. All the rites and everything for cleansing. Same with high-ranking titled Efik men.

Even Donald Duke has to go pay homage regularly. He did so as Governor too.

An atheist's stance would be put to test when he encounters the Uruans in their elements.
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But on the flipside, the most Ibibio of cuisines are best prepared by the Uruans. Hilda Baci can't tie the culinary stiletto straps of a typical 17-year-old Uruan girl raised by an Uruan mother. I'd say the females make the best lovers too, from my experience.

All these are just tricks and unexplained science. If many people in this part of the world show interest in science, these are things that can be studied and applied to solve various problems faced in society.

There's nothing supernatural or juju in all those things you've mentioned. If you're looking for supernatural feats in the earthly realm, dem go scam you gan.

No supernatural phenomena exist on Earth. Everything is physical and has certain laws of nature (some physics, chemistry, mathematics, biology, psychology) underlying them.

If you don't know such laws or natural principles, that's when you'll be believing in juju or voodoo.

In many parts of the world, sun, rainfall, and many natural phenomena we take for granted today due to the advancements of science and technology were all regarded as spiritual and supernatural phenomena in the past.

Today, because the scientists have discovered and understood the laws of nature underlying those natural phenomena, they're now seen as normal (natural), nothing supernatural or juju.

It's because of such understanding we've electricity, cars, phones and the Internet you're browsing with, and many other amenities, which have made our lives easier in the 21st century.

But laws of nature are many, and scientists haven't even scratched the surface of the Infinite mysteries of nature.

The mentality of seeing mysterious phenomena and occurrences of nature as juju, supernatural and as act of one god/deity or the other is bad and unhealthy for science and doesn't make a people to grow.

That's one of the major problems of people in these parts of the world, which is why Africa is the least industrialized and developed continents of the world.

That attitude needs to change. Supernatural phenomena don't exist in the physical realms, such as Earth.

Don't let anyone deceive you. In the coming years, many of the feats you see as voodoo, juju today will be regarded as normal (ordinary, natural) when scientists discover and understand the laws of nature governing them.

Even Isese practitioners that believe in all this nonsense know the gullible and simple-minded people they tell such lies to. Whenever I discuss with them, I tell them clearly without mincing words that what they call juju or supernatural don't exist in the earthly realm.

Everything that happens on Earth is natural and is governed by certain laws, which are inherently mathematical.

hstar:

I presume that first person you'll block is the vulture griller

Sure, bro.

Everywhere dry today. Hope the Liverpool-Newcastle game will spice things up. Newcastle have a poor run of results in games lately.

FavoredbyGOD:
Please sir
Obainojazz
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