johnw47:

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Did Jesus become king in 1914?

Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that Jesus was not reigning as king in heaven until October of 1914. They profess that “At that time, “the appointed times of the nations” ended, and Jesus Christ was installed as God’s heavenly King.” (“What does the Bible Really Teach?”, pg 217 Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, 2005) While the manner at which they arrive at the 1914 dates is demonstrably erroneous and has produced a continuous chain of false prophecies, there is still another matter to be critiqued in this teaching. Jesus did not wait until the 20th century to become king. The Bible is clear that Jesus was already appointed king at His first coming and has been reigning in heaven since His ascension. The apostles carried out their missionary work precisely on the basis that Jesus was already king. When Jesus issued the great commission, He told them:

“And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age,'” (Matthew 28:18-20).

Notice that Jesus does not simply tell them to go. He tells them that He has been given all authority both in heaven and on earth, and therefore they are to go. Their whole ministry of making disciples of all nations was rooted directly in the fact that Jesus presently already ruled with all authority in heaven and on earth. Paul likewise writes of His gospel ministry that “we are ambassadors for Christ,” (2 Corinthians 5:20). Ambassadors are sent by kings. The apostles preached with authority because they were commissioned and sent by Christ who possessed all authority. The Apostles went because their king sent them.

to continue

That ambassadors says it all Jesus disciples didn't become ambassadors in 1914

MaxInDHouse:


Spiritual deafness!

All the religions claiming they're Christians while contradicting themselves in teachings and doctrines supposed to be LIARS!

If they can't all speak and do things in harmony then they're all LIARS.

So you asserting that Jehovah's Witnesses are the only liars for having different teachings yet no church is fully in harmony with another then something is wrong with you upstairs!

The bold is part of the lies and manipulations in your brains .

something is wrong with you upstairs

Na Tuesday morning we dey. Don't rush into default mode in a hurry

When you need to troubleshoot what is wrong with you upstairs start with you saying.....


Those who bear the name Christian does not belong to Christ. Allow them claim Christian it does not change your statement that they don't belong to Christ but your brains has problems with them claiming Christians because in your heart of heart who belongs to Christ is beyond your jurisdiction to decide or determine


That's why MaxInDHouse will never rest about others claiming Christians to advance more lies and manipulations in your something is wrong with you upstairs

johnw47:


a church name is everything all he has is made up gibberish

And he still hasn't got a hold on how large the gibberish is

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max has started this thread to show that Jesus began ruling in 1914,
16 pages so far and he still hasn't done so.

so called Jehovah's witnesses have previously said:

The Last Days began 1799 (The Harp of God, 1928 ed., p. 235–36, 239).

Jesus started being present with His people in 1874, and He started ruling in heaven in 1878 (ibid., p. 236, 239–40).

The times of the Gentiles would end in 1914, resulting in the end of Armageddon, the fall of false religion, the end of all earthly governments, the heavenly and earthly resurrections, and paradise on earth (Watchtower, July 15, 1894, p. 226).



and God's word tells us that no man knows the day or the hour when Christ Jesus will return
but false jw's know, just like they know that Jesus is a deceiver, and just like they know that
Jehovah doesn't know everything, and just as they know that Jehovah isn't Almighty

as far as Jesus second coming goes, there is no two second comings where His 1st second coming is invisibly and
where His 2nd second coming and all eyes see him, that's just some more of false jw's never ending confused false teachings

The lies and manipulations going on in there summarised

johnw47:


lost false jw mad max

truly; lying, blaspheming, being puffed up, paranoid, etc. etc.
is not doing God's will,and you are just one of many groups
claiming to be God's people:

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

He needs to start receiving the same dosage he gives to others as to the bold. Jehovah's Witnesses don't claim, he always make claims on behalf of others

wumiwumi100:


The guy is too mumu, He just dey argue without addressing any point we have raised.

Looool! He can't. You and I know Jehovah’s witnesses strong area regarding Bible discussion is centred mainly on three topics

1. Trinity

2. Hell fire

3. Immortality of the soul

mini extras.... what they class as pagan celebrations

It is based on all these main 3 they class all other Christian denominations as false Christians and after engaging them in those main 3 topics you will equally get to see that being a false Christian to them is not even about those 3 topics but simply people not being one of Jehovah's Witness

All other biblical topics. They will run away than discuss. You can imagine their main foundation topic 1914 is off limit,out of bounds. Go against this inside their congregation is = to going against thr Governing Body and you know the hammer question that send people out of the organization is just one


Do you believe or accept the faithful and discreet slave is Jehovah’s channel of guiding and directing his organization today?

Say NO and you get disfellowshipped and shunned as an apostate

If you need am mention with price you get from +65k and above

MaxInDHouse:
From the year 1914 till today Jesus has been gathering obedient people throughout the earth and his disciples are working round the clock with him! Matthew 28:18-20

They have gone round the world and people from different geographical locations in their millions have joined them to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

There are remnants of 144,000 spiritual Jews on this planet today so sincere and honest hearted people from different geographical locations are saying with their actions:

“We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.” Zechariah 8:23

From the year 1931 the true God began calling His worshipers by another group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Note what God promised to do to Satan's agents among humans who have defamed the last group name God's people bore since the first century until the twentieth century "CHRISTIANS" well God said He will destroy them all for making innocent people to hate the Bible as most people now prefer to be Atheists, Agnostics, Judaists even Traditionalists due to all the atrocities Satan's agents have committed in the name of CHRISTIANITY!

Lies from the start....

From the year 1914 till today Jesus has been gathering obedient people throughout the earth and his disciples are working round the clock with him

Jesus has been gathering his disciples before 1914 not from the year 1914.

MaxInDHouse:


Questions upon Questions upon Questions just because you're bitter shey?

Pẹ̀lẹ́ i'm waiting for your friend to come and respond after all he jumped in to engage me but crawled back into his shell!

Out of the abundance of your heart you peddle your bitterness. You know this thread just exposed more lies and manipulations of your religious organization and you can't contest the fact that indeed your religious organization are lying and manipulating your brains

Pẹ̀lẹ́ i'm waiting for your friend to come and respond after all he jumped in to engage me but crawled back into his shell!

Your lying and manipulating brains already called him apostate, atheist, churchgoer and we know your are not expected to deal with those you call apostates but because your face was bartered by the exposure wumiwumi100 gave to the lies and manipulations of the title of your thread you are seriously looking for means to keep tarnishing his image to save your head and face

oteneaaron:


How did you silence him?

You have started boasting again.

An empty barrel makes the loudest noise.

Do you think everyone eats and sleeps on Nairaland like you do?



So if he is only a "dwarf spiritually", how on earth did he become an Elder?

I thought the holy spirit selects people to become Elders - do you know more than the "holy spirit"?

Or are you trying to say that the "holy spirit" made a mistake?



He never made any comment like this.

Stop making up things in your head.



I wonder why you only quoted Mathew 10:6.

Why didn't you quote verse 8 that said: "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay." - is your religious organization doing any of this today?

But I digress.

To clarify for the public, when Max says "God's Organization" he is actually speaking about the Man-made Business Cooperation called the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania.

"God's Organization" = Watchtower Bible and Tract Society

Now can you show me the specific verse in the bible where Jesus asked his disciples to search for people to join an "organization" aka Watchtower?



Where did God ask you to OBEY human representatives?

Acts 5:29 - "But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men."

Psalm 146:3 - "Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save"

Should we OBEY God?

OR

Should we OBEY the Governing Body of the Watchtower Organization who cannot save?



So if God read hearts, who are you call wumiwumi100 a "spiritual dwarf"?

Are you God who can read hearts?



John 6:68-69 - Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

Are you now saying that the Watchtower Organization is equal to Jesus Christ?

The words of Peter in the verse above were crystal clear - he was not speaking about an "organization" aka Watchtower.

Who needs to go to a place

But as many as those born and raised in God's organization who doesn't feel the emptiness that there's no other place to go if they should leave God's organization {John 6:68-69} of course such ones are useless to our God! Hebrews 10:38

His lies and manipulations filled brains change WHOM to WHERE since that is the lies and manipulations packed into his brains. Who needs where when he reads in his own Bible that

In answer Jesus said to him: “If anyone loves me, he will observe my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our dwelling with him


He can see in his own Bible where the Father and son will come to him.

seunmsg:
You see this politics thing, leave am for Bola. E sabi die. Baba Obasanjo just dey rush Agbado wotowoto 🤣

I thought they contested the saying that Obasanjo already said if anyone want or is ooking for a politician in Nigeria they should go to bourdillon Ti in his book.... My watch.

MaxInDHouse:


It will surely make sense only to a lost sheep of the house of Israel so don't bother! 2Thessalonians 3:2

Just like redefining words thousands of times to suit your lies and manipulations

MaxInDHouse:

Everything!

Loool!

oteneaaron:


It is quite shocking.

They even brought a member of Babylon the Great to defend them in court!!

😂😂😂

What an absolute joke of a religion.

A woman who had access to the elders manual that the wives of elders or any other person in the congregation can't peer into

oteneaaron:


Can you imagine these outright shameless LIES from a Governing Body member?

He LIED under oath!

No wonder MaxInDHouse, Janosky and Aemmyjah are such profound LIARS.

They are following the strict example of their Governing Body.

What a show of shame!

That Australia Royal commission na eye opener in this religious organization. Anyone that wants his ears full should just go for the video during Jackson session, those two branch committee members then one elder and finally the Catholic woman brought in to defend them


You can imagine a governing body member that just didn't jump into becoming a member of the Governing Body lying that........

That is not my understanding. But again, as I said, it is not my field, that goes into policy with regard to those types of things, but from my personal experience, that’s not the case.

Stewart is dogged; he won’t let the point go. Quite rightly. In the context of child sexual abuse, the fact that a JW cannot choose to stop attending congregation meetings without sacrificing their closest family and friends presents an unbearable burden to victims of sexual assault at the hands of fellow congregation members. They, in effect, must either continue attending congregation meetings (sitting in the same room with their abusers who have been deemed repentant by congregation elders) or formally disassociate and face excommunication and shunning.

The situation surrounding child sexual abuse in the JW community is grave indeed and worthy of a separate volume completely. Respectfully, I do not discuss this topic at length in The Life of PIMO. But as Stewart proceeds with his examination, he touches on a sociological reality that sets the stage for my book. He continues:

Stewart: Do you accept that putting people to that choice makes your organization in many respects a captive organization?

Jackson: I do not accept that at all.

Stewart: Well, there’s no middle road, is there? I mean, you are either a member and subject to the organization or are not – isn’t it the case?

Jackson: Yes...

Stewart and Jackson finally agree on one thing: There is no middle road.


That's it. There is no middle road yet he was lying and contradicting their very own doctrines just to accept the fact that their religious organization is a CAPTIVE ORGANIZATION that hates REJECTION

MaxInDHouse:
If a Buddhist, Hindu, Judaist, Muslim or member of any religion strongly believe that only his religion is God's only channel to reach mankind such a person is one of Jehovah's Witnesses we call them the lost sheep of the house of Israel!
They are the ones Jesus sent us to fish out in the world {Matthew 10:6} not those who are indifferent towards spirituality!

Na legalisms you sabi not spirituality


The letter kills the spirit gives life. Anyone that don't follow the letter of your GOVERNING BODY aka Jehovah's organization are killed instantly. Like you are already stoning wumiwumi100 while still inside before he eventually leaves

MaxInDHouse:

By the time Jesus was asked that question was his disciples organized as a separate group in the Jewish community?

Of course not!
Jesus was talking about himself alone not in connection with his disciples who must remain teaching anyone who cares what he taught them. So each disciple must speak with wisdom not condemning others directly by saying before a court where people from different religious backgrounds are in attendance that his religion is the only channel that God is using. Proverbs 22:3
It's each individual that will judge after listening to what the one and only true religion is saying and doing throughout the world.
Is that not why you can't find another religion to replace God's organization?

You cannot stop responding to him abi? I know you are not responding to his messages or instructions

Jackson refuses to concede.

Jackson: I thought I made it quite clear that I don’t agree with that supposition(...)

Stewart: Mr. Jackson, the reality of the situation is that a person who has been baptized a Jehovah’s Witness is thereafter either in the organization or out of it; is that not right?

Jackson: I think perhaps you have got your facts a little wrong there.

Stewart: I don’t think that’s correct, because you have accepted already, Mr. Jackson, that a person in the situation you have postulated of merely becoming inactive is still subject to the rules of the organization.

Jackson deflects. His tenacious refusal to admit (or perhaps even to comprehend) the implications of the organization’s coercive policy is confounding. Finally, the governing body member unequivocally presents his stance on the point of contention.

Jackson: I don’t agree with the sweeping statement that they only have the two choices.

Stewart: Well, it’s right then, isn’t it, because if they don’t want to be subject to the discipline and rules of the organization, then they have to leave by actively dissociating; isn’t that the truth?

Jackson: That’s if they definitely don’t want to be, yes.





What an exchange of words and interesting conversation in court

At this point in the proceedings, Stewart is only barely able to conceal his frustration. Official policy is clear: every JW is subject to the rules of the organization under threat of judicial action. This includes prohibitions on premarital sex, the celebration of holidays, voting, and violating the policy of shunning by having spiritual association with ex-member family or friends.

Stewart: Well, there’s no middle road, is there? I mean, you are either a member and subject to the organization or are not – isn’t it the case?

Jackson: Yes, but I thought you were asking me about disassociation.

Stewart: Well, I am, indeed. So if someone hasn’t disassociated but has sought merely to become inactive or to fade [away from the organization], they are then still subject to the organization’s discipline and rules?

Jackson: If they acknowledge being one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Stewart: And if they do the contrary – which is to say they are not one of Jehovah’s Witnesses – the effect of that is disassociation?

Jackson: That’s if they decide to go down that course. (…)

Stewart: So someone who wants to leave the organization must choose, you accept, between freedom from the organization on the one hand and friends, family, and social network on the other?

Stewart goes on to present a hypothetical in which a JW who chooses not to formally disassociate and face shunning from his friends and family is caught by congregation elders celebrating Christmas or a birthday (customs considered by JWs to be part of false religion and detestable to God).

Stewart: They would be found to be in transgression of the rules, would they not?

Jackson: That is not my understanding. But again, as I said, it is not my field, that goes into policy with regard to those types of things, but from my personal experience, that’s not the case.

Stewart (indignantly): Mr. Jackson, you say it’s not your field, but you are a member of the Governing Body which is responsible, as you have said, for the whole field, and you have been a member for 10 years, and all the committees are responsible to and accountable to the Governing Body.

Jackson: That is correct.




You see how a governing body member can lie under oath

To be continued........

Jackson evades again.

Jackson: I would have to check on that, because personally that’s not my field. But my understanding is, if a person has made it known by their actions in the community over a period of years that they are not a Witness, we would only hold any reports in abeyance until they decided they wanted to return.

Stewart pushes back once more.

Stewart: Mr. Jackson, I have to say that my understanding is if someone in that position is caught transgressing one of the rules, they would still be subject to the disciplinary proceedings, including possibly disfellowshipping; is that not right?

Jackson: That is a possibility, but in all fairness to your question, I think there are circumstances, but I couldn’t make a definitive comment on that.

The prosecutor then reads from the official policy of Jehovah’s Witnesses as published by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of Pennsylvania (WTS) regarding the procedure for discontinuing membership as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. The policy is clear: if a Jehovah’s Witness (JW) decides that she no longer wants to be a member of the religion, she must disassociate herself and will be shunned from the community. Further, if she chooses not to formally disassociate but is later discovered to have violated the organization’s strict code of conduct, she will be disfellowshipped. (Disfellowshipping refers to WTS’s disciplinary policy of formal excommunication from the religion. The policy also calls upon close friends and blood relatives to shun the disfellowshipped person.)

Stewart again attempts to hold Jackson to the unambiguous policy of disassociation and disfellowshipping enforced by the influential preacher.

Stewart: So is it the case, then, that someone who no longer wants to be recognized as or known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses must then disassociate?

Jackson: No, it doesn’t say that they must do anything. If you read on, you will see there is a process. This gives the person the right to officially have an announcement made that they are no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. But, as I already said, if they decide they don’t want to exercise that right, they don’t automatically come under this provision.

Stewart: But then people who don’t exercise that right are then (...) still subject to the rules and discipline of the organization, aren’t they?

For your reading delight...

As I understand it, people who no longer want to be known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, but who have been, must then dissociate; is that right?” says Angus Stewart, the Senior Counsel Assisting to the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.

Stewart looks briefly up at the witness under oath and then back at his notes. Across from him is a TV screen projecting a videoconference feed of Geoffrey Jackson, a member of the eight-man governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses responsible for the spiritual and organizational leadership of over 8.5 million Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide.

Jackson: No, not necessarily. I meet many people in my travels that perhaps were Jehovah’s Witnesses at one stage but then have decided no longer to be active. So, they haven’t gone through a formal process.

Stewart: Well, I have chosen my words deliberately, Mr. Jackson.

Stewart repeats the question, challenging Jackson’s evasion.

Stewart: If someone no longer wants to be known as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they must then disassociate; is that right?

Jackson: Again, please, if they want to take the action of doing that. But, of course, they have total freedom. If they don’t want to apply to officially be removed as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, they can tell anyone they want that they are no longer a Jehovah’s Witness.

MaxInDHouse:
I have always told all enemies of God's people on this forum that we have our own common language that wherever we hear it no matter what religion such a belongs presently he or she is one of Jehovah's Witnesses and no matter who the person is or his office of oversight in God's organization once he can't speak our language he or she missed his road he will sooner or later find his way out of God's organization.

God's organization!

If a Buddhist, Hindu, Judaist, Muslim or member of any religion strongly believe that only his religion is God's only channel to reach mankind such a person is one of Jehovah's Witnesses we call them the lost sheep of the house of Israel!

You must console your lies and manipulations filled brains

If a Buddhist, Hindu, Judaist, Muslim or member of any religion strongly believe that only his religion is God's only channel to reach mankind such a person is one of Jehovah's Witnesses we call them the lost sheep of the house of Israel

You don't call them lost sheep of the house of Israel, they are part of babylon the great empire of false religion.

wumiwumi100:


It's not easy at all. You know the feeling you get when you say something you know is a lie. I am already causing some real trouble among the body of elders. I don't allow them to police people arbitrarily or discipline publishers as they wish. I've also won the majority of the elders to my side, so anything I say is final. The body of elders is like politics: the majority wins the context. But by next month, I will resign from my position as an elder.

You see that politics ehn no be small in the midst of elders. Even the circuit overseer looks more like the godfather in whatever circuit he serve regarding playing politics with lives of their members made subject under them


The shock of your resignation go catch them, they start running helter-skelter to seek why

wumiwumi100:



Jesus was bold and courageous, unlike Jackson, whose fear of men prevents him from speaking the truth.

Could you imagine if Christ had responded to Caesar the way G. Jackson did?

Caesar: “Are you the King of the Jews?!”

Christ: “Uhhhh, well... it would be quite presumptuous for me to claim that I’m the only king of the Jews.”

According to Luke 6:6-11, Jesus demonstrated courage by healing the man with the withered hand on the Sabbath, despite knowing that the Pharisees and scribes were watching Him closely, seeking to accuse Him of breaking the Sabbath laws.

Jesus showed courage in several ways:

He knew the risks: Jesus was aware of the Pharisees' intentions and the potential consequences of His actions, but He chose to act anyway.

He confronted the critics: Jesus addressed the Pharisees' concerns directly, asking them if it was lawful to do good or harm on the Sabbath.

He took action: Despite the potential backlash, Jesus healed the man, showing that His compassion and commitment to doing good outweighed His fear of criticism.

He stood firm: Even after the Pharisees became enraged and plotted against Him, Jesus remained steadfast in His actions and message.

By healing the man on the Sabbath, Jesus demonstrated that His priorities were focused on showing love, compassion, and kindness, rather than fearing the opinions of others. This took great courage and continues to inspire people to stand up for what is right, even in the face of adversity.

Unlike Jesus, G. Jackson and the Governing Body are not courageous enough to assert in court that they are the sole channel of God on earth.

Na the concept Jehovah's organization dey colour their thinking and vision. .

MaxInDHouse:

I have done my homework and research in a thorough way before dedicating my life as one of Jehovah's Witnesses so i can confidently, boldly assure anyone that that's the one and only organization belonging to God.

The apostates thought they've known all since they were raised in God's organization so there is nothing more to know but just ask any of them to present another church he or she will like to associate with after leaving God's organization instantly they will be provoked!

The wumiwumi guy said he is an elder, he gave the talk yesterday, he knows Bethelites who are looking for a way out of the organization all of that he was saying to me but when i asked him the $1,000,000,000 question:

"Which church are you eyeing after leaving God's organization?"
He flared up saying i shouldn't call it God's organization but Jehovah's Witnesses organization.
OK i rephrased the question:
"Which church are you eyeing after leaving Jehovah's Witnesses organization?"
He said it's none of my business.
Abeg why did he quote me in the first place if his faith is none of my business?
Ọmọ the judgment has begun pure worship has been restored so all those not disposed for everlasting life will take their leave while the precious gems among the nations will flock into God's organization.
When you see all these things happening "stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near.” Luke 21:28

So my brother “exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able." Luke 13:24

See you when all evildoers are gone! Psalms 37:7-11

consolation mode activated. MaxInDHouse are you happy? Psalms 1:1

See you when all evildoers are gone! Psalms 37:7-11

Ask Anthony Morris III he is no longer a faithful and discreet slave after demonstrating how despicable apostates will go up like smoke

johnw47:


oh duh most dum and lost false jw mad max

@bold, those who leave false jw org. are not disowning Christ oh most confused one:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

MaxInDHouse did you see the message?

MaxInDHouse:


Please tell that to the man who said what was recorded below in God's word!


“Everyone, then, who acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father who is in the heavens. But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens. Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me.  Whoever finds his soul will lose it, and whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it. Matthew 10:32-39

Seeking consolation as usual.

johnw47:


lost false jw mad max

well we know it's ok for member of false jw organisation to tell everyone that his wife loves to play with his penis

Looool

johnw47:


lost false jw aemmy

once a dope like you said to others about me; "his no good"

a few months later that person was in prison for raping a 83 year old woman

you people keep saying to evade certain Christians because you are cowards:
rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

They have to run when their lies cannot hold up against the truth.