what is wrong with people - the baby is beautiful.

first off to the person that said she looks too white - abeg give it a rest will ya, most black babies and mixed race babies are extremely fair when born, example my sister and daughter - (my sister was born with blue eyes self - although that quickly changed to brown).

stop the hating people - even if its a surrogate or she picked the baby from one remote village from ebonyi state - it is a beautiful healthy child for that alone they should be happy.

u do know that a newborn only has about an approx 10cm viewing range and its mostly black and white, they don't see things properly until about 6 months I think.

let google be ur friend and do a quick search for the answer - sometimes its not by force to start a topic (i mean that in the nicest way possible)

i really hope these responses are a joke

I don't even know what to say about this case - not only is it wrong to beat ur wife but what kind of demonic  fool beats a heavily pregnant woman, honestly this "man" (if he can be called that) learnt this from somewhere.

For the men who love to come online and blame the woman for the beating please tell me what an 8 month pregnant woman can do that will warrant this - cos she complained about his cheating - and when the man carries a disease and infects the woman and fetus the man and his rubbish family will blame the same woman if the child is somehow disabled in anyway.

i'm so annoyed with this story I don't even know what I am typing again - honestly since there is no law in Nigeria this man is lucky this woman is not my sister or else he would have a bullet in his head right now. yeah i'm that pis@ed off.

2 young children now that someone will now use for househelp in future - i'm soooooooooooooooo angry

ATLgal:

Ada,.what's your email address pls?

just mailed you

So sorry for your loss.

the head hitting is when she is extremely upset and puts her head back and forth so its not intentional.

ATLgal - when it comes to my daughter I can't be offended cos everyone has their ways of raising their child, my daughter is 13 months I have had comments since she was six months about me breastfeeding her - i haven't stopped and will stop when we are both ready. I would never tell someone how to raise their child cos I don't know what goes on in their homes so as an outsider I HAVE NO RIGHT to comment on what I observe.

My daughter is quite boisterous and talks a lot - trust me when I have a headache it does do my head in but knowing how she came to be here and what we both went thru for her to even be here today - I am thankful - they are only babies for a short time let them be babies I say.

I am not offended so don't worry.

my dear i'm not going to detail here my 24/7 parenting style - obviously she has time out, and the occasional ignoring but there have been times I COPY what she does and she stops, you have to understand that I know when its attention she wants and cos I know she gets this from me there is a fine line between giving in to this behaviour and letting her be herself which unfortunately she inherited from me. trust me she knows what the word naughty is even at her age.

I will be back she has just taken the cover over the heater, WTF. ooooooooo this child will give me high BP

BRB

ATLgal, if a child is not laid back that is not a problem, my mum tells me that she is exactly like me and seeing that I am not laid back it doesn't give me sleepless nights - she doesn't snatch or get violent over toys cos she has so many that if a child snatches from her she either cries or plays with another toy. My daughter is not violent cos she doesn't see it, I think you are forgetting that toddlers are not fully grown adults and if u are expecting an 1-3 year old to conduct themselves in a manner that is considered "correct" then how will they learn.

If you expose your child in Nigeria to chinese then they will learn chinese, I don't get that point.

ATLgal:

Kids learn what they see. If I throw things she throws things. So I'vve learndd to watch my behavior and language. She's pretty laid back. I don't give in to tantrums and crying so she usually doesn't do tbose. If she's crying, she's either sleepy or hungry. We don't beat/hit her. We believe violence begets violence. Punishment wise, she gets time outs. So far it's working for us. She's well behaved. We avoid tv and sweets for the most part.

all kids are different - My daughter is not laid back, and I used to stress because of this but do u know what as long as she is happy i'm fine with the crying and attention seeking and non stop talking cos she gets that from me. I can't try and stop her being herself thats just the cross I have to carry.

I agree with the hitting thou cos they don't learn and they only hit you when they are annoyed cos thats what they see you do. She is much better now and is very well behaved most times, she has her moments, Now she will only cry if hungry or very tired or if she is doing a number 2 - lol - that one is the funny one.

tessy - when my 13 month old daughter wants to start her tantrum madness I show her that I have madness past her - when she cries, throws herself on the floor shaking her head and banging her head on all and sundry including my face (i'm lucky I haven't lost a tooth yet)

I do the same thing as her - that usually stops her, sometimes I just let her cry it out, but most times I try to distract her with a cartoon or video of herself on my phone - if all else fails I take her out of the house for a walk or bundle her into the car to go shopping

Ch@nges:

It's the state of our social activities. The girls dey do shakara and they won't lyk 2 spread legs 4 a bus driver, but they'll tear their legs for 2face and his brothers. Mtcheew

ur mentally sick in the head - if ur own sisters are like this abeg don't use them as benchmark

DAY11.:

yeebooos!

Oh I love Igbos!

REALLY??

the best punishment for this man is not the death penalty but to be thrown into jail full of hardened gay prisoners who have not had any fresh prisoners for sometime - then this driver knows what taking sex by force REALLY is

i laugh in spanish - do you think keeping a home is easy, u think being a full time house wife and mother is easy - trust me it is not.

as for helping out financially - I take it ur happy to share the "female" duties as well?

look whatever works for each individual family is their business.

spiritual problem? oh o weep for the ignorance.

A new baby, living in (I can only guess) poverty and for a man to say "he will deal with her for not attending to the baby" an insensitive husband all points to Post natal depression. I wish this was discussed more while women are pregnant - yes having a baby is a great thing and blessing but it can rqually be a lonely experience especially for a first time mother in the first year.

May her soul rest in peace and may her child be looked after properly.

this would have easily been picked up during a routine ultrasound,

this also looks like the effects of taking medication that shouldn't have been taken during the first trimester.

whoever said anything about end times is an educated illiterate

as wrong as the poster is for even starting this topic I have gone back to the first page and its another poster that suggested 8-10 year old, ajiboma - I hope she is reading these posts cos what she advocated is evil and illegal

some women with this mindset are just messed up

if we are talking rubbish y ask the question in the first place

my dear I have a 1 year old - so yes I have been in ur shoes. yes it can get lonely but that is no excuse - like others have asked what the heck can a child discuss with you. Go and meet other mothers with young babies - don't you have friends?

Look i'm not here to insult you but you have to remember that in other countries what you are suggesting is called child abuse, human trafficking etc.

if you have money for help then buy a washing machine, hoover, microwave and other things that will make life easier.

ng4am:

Pls slavery is when u force smone against their wish not when a child is happy staying with u. She can go if the want to

of course they are "HAPPY" - the reason anyone would want a small child as househelp is cos its cheper than employing an adult.

I had a house help until I was in my teens and I still think its wrong - only difference she was a grown adult living with us here in england.

If you need someone to sweep - get a hoover, clothes washed - a washing machine. modern technology has made life easier for us women - abeg.

If you had a daughter ask yourself would you feel ok in your heart of hearts if she went to live with someone else to just "help out" as you put it. I have a little girl and the thought of her doing what you are suggesting here in someone's house does not even bear me thinking - I can feel my BP rising just thinking of it. Get an adult - if you don't trust ur husband around an older girl/woman - address that not hire a child. sorry if i seem judgemental but a lot of these children are being abused daily and it breaks my heart to think childhoods are being lost cos parents are pimping out their kids for a few naira.

blank:

I remember when I was in JS2, I saw a teacher with her "maid". The "maid" was a girl of about 6 or 7 carrying the teacher's baby. The girl herself was looking like a baby. She could barely carry the plump baby. It made me pray that God allows me own an orphanage for such abused kids.
A neighbour had another one. The girl was so small that she had to climb on a stool to stir the stew on the cooker. She would jump on d clothes in d bath to wash them cos she was just too small. It always made me sad. Children deserve a better life.

THANK YOU

I don't know why people think its ok to enslave children cos they are too (lazy) sorry I mean busy to look after their house.

Those that can afford it get cleaners a few days a week. I don't care if you send the house help to a top private school, allow a child to have a childhood. and people should stop pimping out their children to become slaves.

How much will u pay a child to help you, if you need help get a live out nanny or cleaner. I'm annoyed with this topic cos this is how these young girls are exposed to abuse - while ur at work what stops the neighbourhood paedophile from targeting the househelp

how do those of us manage without househelps - cos employing children is illegal an immoral where I am

just saying

na wah

10 years old - God thank you my daughter was not born into this kind of life.

Why would anyone consider an 8 year old as a househelp - this is 2012 people pls move from this mind set if ur to (lazy) sorry busy to do all ur house chores hire a cleaner you pay properly. tomorrow people will sit in church for 10 hours thinking that is what is how to love ur neighbour

Not sure where to post this but this is just ridiculous

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16142959

A 15-year-old boy who died from "unspeakable savagery and brutality" was attacked by relatives who believed he was a sorcerer involved in witchcraft, a court has heard.

The victim, Kristy Bamu, was found drowned with 101 different injuries on Christmas Day 2010 in a flat in Newham, east London.

He had travelled with his siblings from Paris to spend the holiday with his older sister Magalie Bamu.

Opening the trial at the Old Bailey, prosecutor Brian Altman QC told the jury that when Kristy was found: "His face and his head were covered in deep cuts and bruising, his arms and back bore deep cuts and lacerations, there were teeth missing or loose in his mouth.

"It was plain that Kristy had been the victim of a prolonged attack of unspeakable savagery and brutality" he added.

He said Magalie Bamu and her partner Eric Bikubi, both 28, had been abusing members of the family for four days.

The prosecutor argued that while the youngsters had enjoyed their first few days there, "the mood started to turn sour".



The flat was littered with what was described as an 'armoury of weapons'

Kristy's siblings were forced to join in the violence before they were all placed in the bath to be hosed down in cold water by Bikubi on December 25, 2010, the court heard.

"It was only when he realised that Kristy was not moving that he stopped what he was doing and pulled him from the water. By then it was too late," said Mr Altman.

Bikubi, he alleged, believed Kristy was "a sorcerer or witch, practising witchcraft".

The jury was told the attack was linked to Congolese culture where witchcraft, or 'kindoki' as it is known, means a negative or malicious force.

Mr Altman said the defendants sought "exorcism through the doling out of ever increasing violent punishment".

When emergency services arrived the small eighth floor flat was covered in blood.

It was littered with an "armoury of weapons" allegedly used in the attacks including several knives, a metal pole, a wooden stick, a pair of blood stained pliers, a hammer, a chisel, broken ceramic tiles and a blood stained mop.

Mr Altman went on to tell the jury: "In a staggering act of depravity and cruelty they both forced the others to take part in the assaults upon Kristy."

When paramedics arrived Bikubi was carrying out CPR on the victim on the bathroom floor.

He told paramedics the victim was his "brother-in-law" and that Kristy had returned to the flat and had felt unwell and was looking "spaced out".

Other children, injured and terrified, were found in the flat. None of them spoke English.

Bikubi has admitted manslaughter but denies murder on grounds of diminished responsibility due to mental illness Bamu denies the charges.

The trial continues.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059727/Doctor-wife-sparks-bomb-scare-having-GPS-device-fitted-Dragons-Den-entrepreneur-husbands-40k-car.html

Doctor wife sparks bomb scare after having GPS device fitted to Dragons' Den reject husband's £40k car

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059727/Doctor-wife-sparks-bomb-scare-having-GPS-device-fitted-Dragons-Den-entrepreneur-husbands-40k-car.html#ixzz1dIfzfhbl

oh this is just too funny.

ur post made me laugh - about the doll.

anyway take a look at this website to get some ideas

http://www.elc.co.uk/

doyin13:

I think you are being a tad unfair. I don't think he did that bad a job. It wasn't the most thorough of documentaries, but for a thirty minute piece, they packed in as much as they could.

But in my opinion, the real story is not the pastors anymore. Their motivations are obvious and their modus operandi well tried and widely tested. I think the bigger story lies within congregations. These people that in other contexts would rather die than part with ten naira but willingly fling money at the feet of a
sugar toothed con artist who can't even be bothered to disguise the fact he is fleecing them.

thank you - you have touched on something that is rarely discussed but very true.

this is what i picked from the channel 4 website - I guess to balance the disgusting behaviour of yellow hummer guy.

Friday 28 October 2011

A sequence that didn't make it in to our film featured Reverend Mrs. Chika Oluchi. A remarkable women, she is in charge of The Mountain of the Lord Ministries International: Centre for Liberation. Her church is based in Ejigbo, a suburb of Lagos that is famous for having a very high concentration of churches.

She runs a widows fellowship every Thursday night, The Widows Fellowship is a chance for widows who are struggling to make ends meet to pray together and look for help. The church tries to gather food that can be distributed to the women and provides somewhere for them to sleep if they've become homeless. There are currently 120 women who come every week and a handful who live there.

We met the reverend when we were following up the case of a widower called Therese. She lost her husband a few years ago. Soon after she was introduced to a new church run by a husband and wife pastor couple.

At the end of her first visit to the church the pastors told Therese that her late husband had been a member of a devil worshipping cult and persuaded Therese that God wanted her to sell everything her husband owned. The car (a Mercedes), carpets, a gas cooker, dining table and chairs, clothes, cutlery, crockery and even the curtains were all taken to the church. Therese was told that if anyone found out what had happened God would kill her and her children.

Therese ended up sleeping on the streets with her 2 teenage children. We were told it was a common story of how those in a position of power and respect had taken advantage of a vulnerable individual.

Luckily Therese met Reverend Oluchi. For over a month she slept on the floor of the church without telling anyone what had happened to her before the reverend managed to get the story out of her.

When we followed up this story during our filming we found the police just about to arrest the couple Therese accused. The police took us to the church in question. We watched as they stormed into the middle of Sunday service and arrested the couple.

We went along to court to see what would happen. The judge was clearly unimpressed with the couple, she adjourned the case to September but to stop the couple from absconding again she set bail at a £2000 each, a small fortune in Nigeria. Their 2 guarantors also had to provide up-to-date tax records. That was the killer. Finding someone with £2000 to lend them may not have been hard, but finding someone with up-to-date tax records in Nigeria is very difficult when few people actually pay tax. The couple were driven back to prison.

Therese still lives with the reverend and she has become a key member of the Widows Fellowship.

If you want to contact the reverend, her address is:

The Mountain of the Lord Minitsries International: Centre for Liberation
29 Adekonye Street
Powerline - Ejogbo
Lagos


http://www.channel4.com/programmes/unreported-world/articles/the-making-of-nigerias-millionaire-preachers

the couple that did this to the widow should rot in hell - i feel like throwing up just reading the story

frosbel - i don't understand how people think that by giving money to a pastor/church they will buy a bentley and buy a house in the hamptons or Bishops Avenue.

the one that makes me sick to my bone marrow is that these same people throwing cash at the pastors feet will probably walk past people that really need help, going to church on sunday and giving money to ur church does not make u a good christian. Its disgusting

Judas was many things but an Accountant?

the worse thing is that a lot of people will believe the yellow hummer pastor - I have said it time without number, most of these churches are a fraud - and the love of money is really what drives people to these churchs

jesus was rich indeed - KMT

praise the money - sorry my bad the lord