divinereal:

Ron, don't pay attention to these silly ppl with negative comments many do not know their history (African/African American/American/World History) and what ties us together eternally as descendants of Africa. I would admit there is a lot of ignorance on both sides but we should be trying to learn from one another not tear each other down - Crabs in a barrel syndrome. Most of the time people negative opinions about certain groups of people reflects the type of people they've been exposed to or lack there of and of course the media bias.

Civil rights alone drove home with the first crop of African leaders that where being educated here in the US who went back home to fight for independence in Africa. For example Nnamdi Azikwe and Kwame Nkurumah were all being educated in the US and went back home to fight colonialism.

Both sides love to look down at each other but heres what I ask both sides when I hear such ignorance.
Ask the African: since AA are so bad, at least there is racism in America how come your country is so backward? Why haven't you guys developed it?

Ask the African America: Why don't you take advantage of the opportunities in America?

These are complex questions requiring solutions and should not be looked at through a myopic lens. So "black people" on either side of the atlantic should not be throwing stones especially when they live in a glass house. To say that the black condition across the globe is challenged is an understatement, its time to build bridges people!

Funny, I just saw your comment after my post. I'm happy to see that someone else is voicing an opinion that doesn't involve belittling the next person(group). Seriously, wake up my people!

After reading one too many of these comments, I come to believe I have stumbled across a white supremacist site in disguise.

Just about everything I've read on here is standing proof to the oldest & yet successful strategy, divide and conquer.

What about trying to build each other up instead of tearing one another down? It is hella easy to destroy something but it takes quite the widsom to build something.  Yes, there are alot of statements or ideas on here that ring some truth to them. However, it is very easy to point out the problem or point the finger at the next person. I have yet to read anything that talks about building or creating stronger ties to one another.

I wonder do any of you know who's having the last laugh at the end of the day! It's definitely not us.

@ Inked_Nerd


Maybe those are just the unfortunate experiences you have had in NY or particulary in those neigborhoods, however, I still believe you're over generalizing your experiences.

Speaking from personal experience, I have yet to experience what you're describing. And I have friends of Nigerian descent and Kenyan descent, have conversated and met folks of Rwandan, Ethiopian, & Senegalese descent as well.

don't think Africans come to the US with the intention of creating animosity towards Africans Americans--for the most part we keep those feelings to ourselves and voice them if or when people make remarks such as the one you describe

That statement seems to imply 2 things: 1st: you're speaking for ALL Africans who immigrate to the US; 2nd: that you & "them" already have some "feelings" presumable negative about African Americans before arriving but generally these "feelings" are kept to your or you all selves.

This is a very opinionated subject & statement. Until you can provide some studies that support your comments, they are pretty bias and unreliable. Note: even the results from a study won't be all-inclusive but it will give a better unbias, generalized idea or school of thoughts upon this matter.

Of course the ancient Egyptians were of African (black) descent and not of Arab descent. Arabs are currently in Egypt due to their invasion onto the country several thousand years ago.

Western civilization AKA White people doesn't want to admit ancient Egyptians are black because they would then also have to accept that Moses was Black since he was raised as an Egyptian without any question. And to accept that Moses was Black would then mean that so are the Hebrews.

Then all of this would help confirm that Jesus was also Black, lol, and these are things they refuse to accept.

[Quote] Ron Oneal "I personally don't think there#s too much friction between Continental Africans and Diaspora Africans. [/quote]

Well said. There is always going to be a person who doesn't like another person because of a difference. Maybe the difference is culture, ethnicity, sexual orientation, nationality, social economic status, whatever,  it's just foolish to stereotype everyone else who may share this "difference".

Okija_juju:

@ Adis

You didn't address the repititive clause I attached to the dream. What if the dream is re-occurent.

If the dream is constantly reoccurring, then maybe it really should get looked into. However, it should still get read by someone who actually know how to interpret dreams who will have an unbias interpretation of it.

@ Okija_juju

Dreams may have meanings but I think it's up to me or anyone else to analyze. I think if you really want your dream analyzed you should go to someone who specializes in dream reading and have them do it. I don't your partner has the right to do it or expect for you to try.

And sometimes dreams are just dreams.

In reference to mine, it couldn't been too significant because I didn't even remember the dream.

Inked_Nerd:

Ummmm ZIM DRILL,what's up with the pics?

lol, I would have to agree. No clue w/ the meaning of the pics

ZIM DRILL:


some people do especially when you are having problems already or suspecting something

like most people are saying dreams are most of the time your deep thoughts

so s/he will ask what made your dream of chineke/ngozi and say i love you ==== rough conclusion you must secretly like him/her

Do you want to know something funny? I don't even remember the dream. Just when I woke up, I was confronted about saying some guy's name, which I don't remember, and when I asked "what name did I say" he wouldn't provide the name. So I have no idea what I said & who I was dreaming about.

ZIM DRILL:

what takes place in a dream that one can take accountability nothing becoz the damage is in a dream unless if you are sleeping working

what you say loud in your dream is a betrayal to sub thought and that can be used against you like everyone has said

so dont confuse talking out loud from your dream and holding someone accountable for what they dream is st.upid, what is s/he accountable when it is just a dream. if s/he dream killing a person what can you say she is accountable for ? nothing but you only wonder what made her dreaming like that but there is nothing to be accountable for

What you say out loud while dreaming can be used against, true but should it really? I don't believe so.

Okija_juju:

laugh ke!

-if the guy wasnt on my suspect list, this is enough grounds to launch an enquiry. if its some random name, i will note it and subtly ask her who such a person was and try to establish wat their relationship was so i can knw how to investigate the person. but be rest assured that such a dream is enough grounds to get suspicious and paranoid cos if the person isnt yet in a relationship with the said person in the dream, then they are harbouring such thoughts.
either ways, i smell trouble.

You shouldn't go interrogating someone because of what they dreamed of or said out loud. Like I said everyone have all types of dreams it's just unfortunate for those who talk in their sleep. Some dream of being super heroes, does that mean they are harbouring those thoughts, lol, for some probably but most, no.

And i think the ultimate factor is trust!

Inked_Nerd:


It was a typo

Oh that's fine. No hard feelings

Okija_juju:

@ Topic

Let me paint u a picture, imagine u r asleep in bed with your spouse at night wen she starts twirling and trashing around the bed, moaning and heaving, saying harder, deeper daddy and calling say your best friends name or some random dudes name, what do u think that's about.

Dreams like someone said are the way our minds helps us live some of our fantasies. Omo na slap I go use wake her up.

If I wasn't already suspicious about my partner & my best friend having an affair, I don't think the dream would make me believe they were. I would probably record him to allow him to hear himself but at the end of the day, I don't honestly believe I can get upset with him or hold him accountable for what he dreamt about.

Evenutally, I would have to laugh about it.

leuelliot:

No naw!! how can you be held accountable for dreaming out loud?? that's ridiculous

Yea, that's what I was thinking. Dreams are too unpredicatable and I'm pretty sure everyone have dreamt of things that would get them into trouble if they actually did them in real life.

Overall, I find it extremely ignorant for anyone to judge or generalize an entire group of anything and especially people (being complex in nature) based on media perceptions or even their own personal experiences with a selective few.

The subject of the original thread is appalling in itself. Children make their parents proud!! There's a difference between admiration and making someone proud. And the only answers you can receive to a question like that are very general and opinionated ones.

It just baffles me when I hear discussions such as these.

I find it hard to believe you can hold someone accountable for what takes place in their dream or what they say while dreaming since we have no control over it. However, I was scolded for what I said in my dream.  I felt really bad but I was told by another friend not to sweat it because I cannot be held accountable for it.

What do you believe?