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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 10:46am On Aug 08, 2020
Sonsynas:
Hi guys. I need more clarification on the attached screenshot.

Like Adjo said..you cant get his permanent residence card from any Brazilian embassy abroad unless am in Brazil.

Right now am confused.

Hello Sonsynas, don't be confused. You are simply reading about a visa that does not exist anymore. “Permanent visas” which used to be obtained at Brazilian consulates Not “permanent Permit” have been stopped in the 2017 immigration reform.

Unfortunately a lot of info out there are in reference to immigration rules before June 2017. Check the date of the article. I’m sure it is in the past. You can get the best current advice from the many members here who have given birth recently. When you read immigration rules about Brazil online, also pay attention to the date of the information.

All the best in your journey.

Cheers

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 7:27pm On Jul 19, 2020
mryoung16:
Hi Adjo10 and Samuelsoma , good to hear from you guys again. Tnx for the head up..Well explained and understood.

However, i would have gone for the option (B) Which is Authorizing a friend for pick up but unfortunately does not have anybody in Brazil for now.

Furthermore, Adjo10, please ma..i tried so much to get the exact page you talked about getting citizenship for the previous child before the Brazilian child and also, ...if i should use Curtiba province (Parana) as you suggested. Duration for that of the previous child PR or Passport. not sure till you clear me on that also though.


I understand that i can get my child passport within 10days. Do you have knowledge on the duration it might take someone to get the PR. That is..how many days/month one can get the PR and travel back to base..

The reason why am asking all these is that i stays in western world and our papers for now has limit/ duration we can stay abroad.

Abeg forgive me for my long questions oo...one needs to plan herself well before making move.

Hi. Your questions are welcome. Samuelsoma actually gave you the best advice ever. If you don’t have a friend in Brazil that is not a problem here is my suggestion in addition to that of Samuelsoma.

Gather all the documents whiles awaiting your baby’s birth and apply for PR immediately your baby is born. You don’t even need your baby’s passport to apply for PR. Your baby’s birth certificate which is given to you on the same day is enough. The protocol that will be given to you on the same day you apply for PR will be valid for 6 months. The PR card takes from 2 to 4 months to be ready. Your baby’s passport is ready within 6 working days of application.

Go back to your country of residence immediately and wait for your PR card. You can follow every single movement of the PR process online. When your PR is ready, pick a flight to Brazil using your protocol which allows you to enter the country. Pick you and your family members PR and fly back.

Your existing children can get citizenship too but the process requires that they are living in Brazil. You will need to provide proof of them going to school in Brazil, Accomodation contract etc. In short, even though they qualify, it will be difficult for them to benefit from citizenship if you are planning to leave the country immediately. (Almost impossible). I will suggest you apply for PR along side you and plan to settle in Brazil with them for at least some time later on and then apply for Citizenship.

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 11:39am On Jul 19, 2020
mryoung16:
Hi gurus in the house. Greetings

I would want to know..after giving birth in Brazil..obtain my child passport..can i just return back home and later go get our permanent residence from the Brazilian Embassy at home.

Hi mryoung16. I have seen your question since the first day you posted it. I was hoping someone will answer. Your question seem very simple but actually complex. Before i tell you what i know, i would like to point out that i am not a guru. I am just a simple person who was blessed enough to give birth in Brazil. Let me guid you to find the answer for your self.

Assignment: Simply go to the Brazilian consulate website and see the type of visas or permit they issue. If they issue Permanent residency then it is a yes to your question.

My little knowledge: Unfortunately, Brazilian consulates do not issue permanent residency. Only the Polícia Federal in Brazil can receive, process and issue permanent residency and you need to apply in person in Brazil.

So a simple answer to your question: No, you cannot apply for permanent residency at the Brazilian consulate.

Alternative: that does not mean that if you leave Brazil without applying for it, you are disqualified. I can guide you on what to do here on this platform but let keep that for another post. This is becoming too long already. Cheers

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 10:19pm On Jul 06, 2020
afelouz:
I picked up my PR guys, just want to update you guys.

You all should stay safe.

Congratulations afelouz. This is good news.

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 7:02pm On Jun 13, 2020
Thanks and Amen chriscole and mryoung16. I wish you all the best with the passport pickup. Your baby will be proud. Cheers

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 3:18pm On Jun 13, 2020
Thegamingorca:




What in hell are you coming at me for? Someone died because he travelled from Nigeria armed with misinformation and the promise of a better life to a certain country he knew nothing about in this forum.

He didn't last a month in the country and couldn't come back to face all the ppl he owed as well as nairalanders he had gloated to about arriving in white man land. Only to be faced with untold horrors, strife and death. Dude borrowed flight money that he used to travel.

And eventually took his own life.

If indeed you run a rig of this similar setup I must say it's terribly criminal. And i must say you are only destroying lives for a paltry sum or your own personal gain.

What do you mean by suffer? Is the fact that ppls children acquiring jus Solis attachments to what is perhaps the megagenius equivalent of a third world country in south America of benefit to the paturient and her husband? Will the brothers and sisters be entitled to grants for giving birth in Brazil?

Your reply to my generalizing post is making me think twice about your true intentions and perhaps why justwise in particular was curious about this whole operation.


Why do you feel it's suddenly your purpose in life to act as shepherd to a great many Nigerians seeking to acquire jus solis elsewhere?

why the hell are you coming at me? Or you can't understand what I wrote there?

What does your story or the story of the person got to do with this thread? Are Information that i put here not all over the internet? Did anyone on this thread ask for financial returns or did anyone here report being misled? Your intention is to kill this thread but you cannot and will not.

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 2:27pm On Jun 13, 2020
Thegamingorca:



grin no need to get pissed. He's a good mod who has your interest at heart. In the past ppl commited suicides for misinformation and promise of pr only to be faced with disaster over there

You are attempting to mislead people here with lies. Tell us which information given here is incorrect. Unfortunately, a typical behavior of ours. We don’t like people to have access to good information. We like to see our own brothers and sisters suffer.

So long as God keeps me alive, i will keep spreading the good news about giving birth in Brazil on this platform. You can do nothing humanly possible to stop me. Don’t try to bury this threat because we are seeds, we grow as you try to bury us.

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 11:36am On Jun 13, 2020
justwise:


In visa application form there is a space provided to give full details of your purpose of the trip and it is regarded as mandatory, so if you are going to give birth and its not illegal why not declare it in that space provided?

That would have been nice justwise but even though it is not illegal to give birth, there is no visa category for it so if you main purpose is to give birth then there is no visa category that can fit your demand and because the visa officer cannot create a category just for you, they will have no option to deny you.

America treats medical (giving birth) visa as a business. If you have the money and can afford to pay, then you get the visa. Brazil sees giving birth as a private matter. That is why they see nothing wrong with converting a tourist visa into a permanent resident once you get to Brazil. This is a grey area where there are gaps in the law.

Under normal circumstances, the visa officer will not care if you are pregnant or not so far as your stated purpose and intentions fits the visa category. We only have problems in Nigeria because people are taking advantage of the system. In other countries, being pregnant is not even considered at the Brazilian consulates (in fact, it considered a criminal act).

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 11:23am On Jun 13, 2020
Thegamingorca:



Nice...is it therefore illegal to board a plane on visit visa while heavily gravid and almost at term? Will no questions be asked and eyebrows raised if a 3rd trimester pregnant woman claims to want to see Rio De Janeiro and spend time touring?

The is nothing wrong with a pregnant woman wanting to see Rio, New York or Accra. Being pregnant does not mean cannot be a tourist. There is even a concept of “Baby moon” which has existed for many years now but because we don’t usually have the means in Nigeria, we don’t talk about it.

That said, airlines have rules about how many months of pregnancy you cannot board their planes. This is to avoid emergency births in the plane and since any woman can technically give birth from 7 months, that would be the limit. You may be able to fly your way into Brazil because you have not yet reached that number of months for the airline but if your supposed return date falls within the time period no airline would carry you then it will be clear to the immigration officer that you don’t intend to return before you give birth. That doesn’t however disqualify you from being allowed entry into the country but the immigration officer will now ask for proof of funds that you can afford giving birth and many other things. If you satisfy that then you will be allowed in.

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 10:57am On Jun 13, 2020
justwise:


Yes Adjo10 you did and few others supported it, that was the genesis of the whole issue here, i careless when anybody decides to give birth for citizenship, my issues as i stated then and in every thread i post in ..has always focused on abuse of system.

Another issue you mentioned here which is also misrepresenting is not disclosing the purpose of your trip even when its clear that you are going to give birth. In visa application you are asked the purpose of your visa application..tourist, education, business or medical etc..

its ridiculous to say you did not lie to the embassy when you clearly did not select medical/giving birth when completing visa application form.

Yes giving birth in Brazil is not illegal so why not state clearly that you are going to give birth during visa application?

Did you still remember that you argued about this very issue a year or so ago?

Firstly there is not visa category for giving birth in Brazil. I have said this over and over again. With the US for example, giving birth will fall under Medical. The medical visa category for Brazil is about emergency medical issues and plastic surgery and all those stuff and doesn’t include giving birth because pregnancy has a different meaning in Latin America than the US.

So technically, the is no visa for giving birth in Brazil. You go as a tourist, student etc and if you happen to give birth, that has nothing to do with your visa.

That is why i always stated here that Brazil is not US. Giving birth in Brazil is not the same as giving birth in the US. The 2 countries have a different meaning of pregnancy.

This explains why you will categorically be denied a visa if you apply for a visa to give birth in Brazil simply because there is no visa category for you.

I have said this over and over again here. You cannot be given a visa that does not exist

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 10:31am On Jun 13, 2020
People intentionally using public hospitals even though they can easily afford private hospitals but refuse too is the problem. It is morally wrong but again not illegal. Again, if you cannot afford private that is another issue. I will encourage anyone that has the means to give birth in a private hospital to do so. Public hospitals are financed by the tax payer’s money and there is already a lot of pressure on such facilities.

I have also heard people who are not even yet in Brazil asking about social benefits. This benefits are meant for the poor, people who cannot afford a flight ticket like us. Such intentions make it difficult for genuine people who want to contribute to Brazil’s development to get a visa.

Cheers

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 10:12am On Jun 13, 2020
justwise:


A year or two ago when i had this exchange with you particularly it was purely because you encouraged people to lie about their pregnancy just to get a visa.

That is illegal and i mentioned it then that i got no problem about people traveling to anywhere in the world to give birth for passport as long as its done without circumventing the system.

I'm pretty sure you remebered that exchange

Thanks juswise. First of all i do not encourage anyone to lie during visa application. I also do not encourage people to give the embassy unnecessary information. Being pregnant is a personal and private matter. If you are asked about it of course you decide to tell them about it or not but do not lie. You have the right to tell them it is something you are not comfortable talking about.

Deciding not to tell about something does not mean Someone is lying. You can absolutely say the truth without exposing your private life.

If it were to be illegal to give birth, then deciding not to inform the embassy even if not asked would have made it illegal because the law said so but fortunately that is not the case.

Like i said, law is different from morality. Morality has no place in law.

Cheers

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 9:17am On Jun 13, 2020
Get the fact straight

The Brazilian constitution states that anyone born in Brazil is Brazilian irrespective of the parents nationality and immigration status meaning (being a tourist, student etc). The constitution also guarantees that parents of a Brazilian child cannot be expelled from Brazil no matter what.

This translates to immigration laws that grants permanent residency to parents irrespective of how they entered the country. In fact, only parents of a Brazilian child and people married to a Brazilian can convert a tourist visa to a residency permit. All other persons must go back to their country and apply for a visa that will allow them to convert to a resident permit.

Now tell me what is illegal about the whole thing? I am beginning to believe that stating that it is illegal despite all the explanations repeatedly given here may be IQ related. I’m writing to encourage those who Understand basic logic.

This is to say that, anyone can report to whom ever they want to. Polícia Federal is busy with other serious issues.Morality is subjective the Law is however not. The law is the law and a fact is a fact, period.

There is nothing illegal about giving birth in Brazil as a tourist.

Peace

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 11:48pm On Jun 10, 2020
oluayebenz:
Brazilians have a very strong passport but how come they are still categorized as a third world country

Good question. Developed or developing depends on what you are measuring. If you go by GDP then Brazil is high there. But let me tell you why many people and many articles out there will say Brazil is developing.

Before 2016, the world bank classified countries into only 2 categories only based on GDP per Capita (dividing the country’s wealth to it population); 1. developed and 2. developing. Any country whose GDP per capita was below $12,000 was considered developing and any country above was considered developed. In 2016, the World bank realized that this method was outdated so they introduced a new classification by dividing countries into 4 categories.
1. Low income countries: $995 or less.
2. Lower middle income countries: $996 to $3,895.
3. Upper middle income countries: $3,895 to $12,055.
4. High income countries: $12,056 and above

Brazil’s current GDP per capita is $8,727 which falls in the 3rd category but closer the 4th.

So next time you see such articles, they have either been written before 2016 or the writer intentionally refused to use the current information. That is why i can see in your article the writer using a term like ”based on the original definition of developing”. This is western propaganda.

Trust me, Europe will not open it borders to a developing country especially a country of around 209 million citizens. That one alone should convince you that Brazil is not developing.

Cheers

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 8:02pm On Jun 10, 2020
As you can see, US, Canada and Australia are not the only developed countries in the world lol. I intentionally tricked you. This is to show you that, they have more commonalities than differences. When you start traveling, you will realise that the world is much bigger than just US and Canada. Cheers

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 7:56pm On Jun 10, 2020
uchman:


UK has it...
The main countries are listed under UK... Australia, Japan, US, Canada, Taiwan and others
But Brazil... Mongolia, Iran and Russia... The bad bad ones...

Thanks for your point of view. You stayed in line with the topic. Now, see some of the countries they have in common and go back to the list in the earlier post and read it again. Of course you can maintain your opinion.

A
Albania
Andorra
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan
B
Belarus
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
C
Croatia
Cyprus
Czechia
D
Denmark
E
Estonia
F
Finland
France
G
Georgia
Germany
Greece
H
Hungary
I
Iceland
Ireland
Italy
K
Kazakhstan
Kosovo
L
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
M
Malta
Moldova
Monaco
Montenegro
N
Netherlands
North Macedonia (formerly Macedonia)
Norway
P
Poland
Portugal
R
Romania
S
San Marino
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
T
Turkey
U
Ukraine
United Kingdom (UK)
V
Vatican City (Holy See)
Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 7:38pm On Jun 10, 2020
Facts Check

The picture here shows 2 passport comparisons. Brazil to the left and the UK to the right. British passport takes you to 167 While Brazilian passport takes you to 159 countries visa free. A difference of 8. The countries in Green are the countries unique to either UK or Brazil.

As we can see the differences are not huge considering they all have about 156 in common. As a point to note, Brazilians are issued US visas with a 10 year validity and the US visa rejection rate for Brazilians is only 7%. This means that out of 100 Brazilians applying for a US tourist visa only 7 are rejected.

Brazilians who have a US visa, do not need a visa to visit Canada for the same validity as the US visa.

Before Brexit, i would have easily given the win to the UK passport because they could live and work in the EU but now, they will be required to apply for resident permit to stay and work in the EU. Brazilians can however live and work in MERCOSUR Countries which includes most countries in South America without needing a resident permit.

Now tell me, what is the difference between the 2 passports? Let’s argue on facts, of course assuming that you will stick to the topic at hand. I am sure you will not disappoint me.

And let’s remember we are comparing only passport power here. Let’s take it one at a time.

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 7:26pm On Jun 10, 2020
What is happening guys. I can see people’s posts being deleted. Calm down guys. Cheers
Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 6:55am On Jun 10, 2020
TheMan3:
abeg please do you know when Brazil will start allowing flights in? And are the borders open now?

Leave them justwise abeg. Not everyone have access to give birth in the US anymore. He should leave Brazil for us if it is advanced Nigeria as he calls it, at least it is "advanced"

Hello TheMan3. The COVID-19 situation here is currently bad thanks to our president who doesn’t take anything seriously lol. There have been a bit of improvement recently. For now, only Brazilians and Permanent residents are allowed in the country. I’m sure things will improve soon and flights will start coming in. Fingers crossed. Cheers

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 3:37pm On Jun 09, 2020
justwise:


Lol which Brazilian passport are you comparing to US or British passport ? The same Brazilians I see here?

Hello justwise, the Brazilian passport can take you to every country a US passport can take you to except, Japan, Canada and Australia. In return however, the Brazilian passport can take you to Russia, Turkey, Cuba and Iran which US and British passport holders need visa to. You can also stay in the UK visa free with a Brazilian passport for 6 months in 1 year + 3 additional months in Ireland.

I am not saying one is better than the other and i don’t compare countries. All i am saying is that they can replace each other to a very large extent especially when it comes to Europe. You will be better off working in Europe as a Brazilian than a US citizen because of tax implications.

Well... you have the internet, you can confirm it for yourself. I usually find it very difficult to make sense to a lot of people, please forgive my ignorance. I have lived on 4 continents include the US and England and i see things from a very broad perspective but i am also extremely limited in many things. I’m more than humbled to hear your point of view. We learn everyday and it will be more than a blessing to learn from you and everyone here.

If there is one thing i have learnt in life, is that, the more you discover the world, the more you realise how little you know. I don’t know much.

Cheers

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 8:34pm On Jun 08, 2020
Just a word of caution. I sometimes make it look like Brazil is the best country in the world but it is not. Brazil has it own problems and a lot of them. Other countries too have their own problems. If you come to Brazil, you may and may not like it. I am just someone who likes looking at the positive side of things but don’t get me wrong, Brazil has it own problems.

I am grateful that this wonderful country welcomed me and family with open arms.

Please make your own research before you come here. Do not rely on only what i tell you here. I am human and i make mistakes. I also look at things from a specific perspective.

Cheers

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 7:48pm On Jun 08, 2020
dyydxx:


Spot on. Nothing more too add, although British citizens coming because of brexit perplexed me. After Brexit, only the work right is cancelled, they will still have Visa free access to EU just for 3 or 6 months. It's not clear which is which at this point. So they dont need to come to Brazil to get that

You are absolutely right. The philosophy behind British and Americans giving birth in Brazil is that, their child still get to keep their parents citizenship anyway and get at the same time a valuable passport that is drama free. Because the Brazilian passport takes them to many of the countries their passport can take them, it is advantageous to use the Brazilian passport because “nobody hate Brazilians”. If there is a plane hijacking, their child will probably get away alive with their Brazilian passport rather than an American or British one. While other nations always watch around their shoulders, A Brazilian does not have to. No one cares about terrorizing a Brazilian.

It is a security policy for them. Their child will probably feel comfortable walking the streets of Cairo, Mogadishu, Cuba or Russia without any fear.

The second issue is about tax. America taxes it’s citizens no matter where they live or work. In most cases you pay double taxes. The tax in the country you are working in and tax in the USA. Developed countries have agreements with US to automatically deduct the tax and send it to the IRS in the USA. Considering that taxes in Europe are already around 25-40 % + 10-30% tax for US, you can imagine how much you will be left with.

A Brazilian passport solves that. When you are employed in Europe, you show up your Brazilian Passport. Brazilian does not tax its citizens working outside. You get to stay “American” and Brazilian whiles you enjoy your full salary or other income if you are an entrepreneur.

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 10:30pm On Jun 07, 2020
Casserole:
@Adjo10 don't waste time replying those kids
2 things I have realized on travel section

50% of the people giving advice are kids who have never been out of the country b4 they only have access to the Internet and watch cnn
Most nigerians are not looking for comfort they're only LOOKING for big names like USA CANADA AUSTRALIA so they can intimidate others back home they rather do odd jobs in those places than go where they can live quiet and tranquil life

Well said.

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 10:29pm On Jun 07, 2020
BarristerAlarig:


Ronaldo is Portuguese not Brazilian.

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 4:02pm On Jun 07, 2020
Yes it is Brazil that people are going to now. A country with 204 million criminals, yet they have visa free access to 171 countries and territories. They have visa free access to every single European countries including Russia, which even the US passport cannot go to. Oooh also, the safest countries in the world thus Norway, Sweden, Germany and Finland have granted visa free entry to these 204 million criminals and poor people yet they have not killed all the Germans. These people are slow.

By the way, these 204 million people are soo criminal that they are the world 6th biggest and largest economy. How the hell did they get to be part of the G 20? I don’t even understand. I wonder why the whole 204 million poor and criminals have not all fled to Europe, South Korea and New Zealand since they don’t need visas.

By the way, you said “Jesu” in your post, Christ the redeemer is located in that country with 204 million criminals and it happens to be 1 of the 7 wonders of the world. Maybe you should pray to him for forgiveness lol.

I wonder why the world allows such hungry people to have the second largest number of airports in the world aside USA. And have the 4th world largest number of sky scrapers. I guess, the used crime money to build them.

204 million criminals, yet they are all not dead. They have free health care with better hospital facilities that can rival those in Europe, free education with many of their universities making the top 100 universities in the world. Maybe the lecturers too are criminals.

They are soo criminal that Americans (Running away from high taxes and Donald Trump) and British Citizens (who see a Brazilian passport as a way to give they children access to the EU after Brexit) are now flooding their country to give their child a Brazilian passport. I guess these parents want their children to become criminals.

6.4 million tourists visit Brazil each year. About half of them die each year due to criminal acts lol. Worse than Coronavirus.

By the way, all the world cups that this country won was as a result of crime money lol. Neymar, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho are from Zimbabwe not Brazil. Brazilians are too poor and hungry to play football.

Yes... e be Brazil we dey go now. We all want to be criminals lol

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 2:30pm On Jun 02, 2020
stevewaugh786:


Thank you. However, it's still not clear to me. You mean to say once the parents become brazilians, their children automatically become brazilians too? Since we haven't applied provisional naturalization for them, what do we have to do for them to become brazilians as well without having to conform to it after turning 18?

Yes you got it right. The child applies for citizenship together with the parents after all of you meet the requirements. That way you are all naturalized as Brazilians and there is no need for the child to confirm in the future.

Of course the child will be excepted from language and other requirements.

Cheers
Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 8:56pm On May 29, 2020
stevewaugh786:


What difference does it make as the child is still a minor and getting the citizenship due to the parents? How come applying citizenship with parents after completing one year won't make the child to re-confirm his intent upon reaching age of majority?

I will answer your question with an example. Nigeria does not grant citizenship by “birth”. We became Nigerians because our parents were Nigerians. No one has required us to confirm our citizenship. Well... the same applies to Brazil.
Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 8:18am On May 21, 2020
Toyin2003:
@Adjo

Thank you for the job you are doing.

Please i will like to know if a child born in Brazil will be entitled to any social benefits from the government until a certain age.

Thank you.


Hello Toyin2003. In order for you to deeply understand the answer, you first need to understand Brazil as a whole. Unlike the US, UK etc, Brazil runs a Social-Capitalist system. This means that, government revenues are redistributed to everyone. Hospitals, medicines, education, school uniforms and food in school are totally free. In short, the Brazilian system itself is a “social benefit”. The government do run some additional social benefits system but I’m more than convince that if you are able to afford a flight ticket to Brazil and give birth, you are wayyyyy above the minimum wage requirement for your child to get social benefits.

One last thing is that, Brazil is looking for people who will add to the economy. Work hard, pay taxes and add value to the country. I will highly recommend not even thinking of social benefits but rather thinking of how to help Brazil become a better country than we found it.

Cheers

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 3:16pm On May 06, 2020
Howlee12:
@alejo10, thanks for the information you have been providing here.. I really appreciate it.. me and my wife are planing to have our second child in Brazil. My question is our existing child is under 5yrs , and we all going as a family , do we have to wait till our first child reach majority stag I mean age 18 to confirm he will remain Brazilian before we can apply for his passport or he can be grant passport while we process ours within 2yrs. Thanks

Hello Howlee12. I wish you and your family all the best and success. Your first child qualified for Provisional citizenship the moment your second child is born. Your first child gets the same passport as your second child. No difference. The only difference is that your first child will have to confirm when he or she is 18 years wether he or she will like to remain Brazilian.

By the way, you qualify for citizenship after spending 1 year in Brazil and not 2 years. You qualify i said but you must be able to speak meduim Level Portuguese as part of the requirement. You can definitely learn it in 1 year if you want to.


If you plan living in Brazil, i will advice waiting for your first child to get citizenship along with you after 1 year. That way, there is no burden on your first child to confirm 18 years from now. You don’t know where he or she will be by that time and you don’t want that burden on your child as well as risking any future change in the law that may affect your first child. 18 years is a long time. Any change in the rules may happen.

Cheers

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 9:31am On Apr 12, 2020
Samuelsoma:
Hey Techspot, just like Adjo10 have mentioned, you can still go ahead without the Carteira de identidade and make use of the Certidao de Nascimento (Birth certificate) . However, it sometimes depends on the discretion of the officer that is attending to you at Policia Federal, some officers may ask for it and you might be lucky to meet the ones that would not ask for it. In my case, I collected the Carteira de identidade for my son before proceeding to apply for the passport and when i got to the point of application, the officer attending to me asked for it and I have also seen some persons too that did not collect the IDcard before proceeding to apply for their child's passport and they were granted with just the birth certificate. So that is why I said it sometimes depends on the officer that attends to you, they just use their discretion.
But you can try and proceed and apply for the passport with the birth certificate that you have, hopefully it should be granted.

Moreover, I will still suggest that even after you have gotten the passport, you can still apply for the IDcard, cos with just the IDcard, Brazilians can enter the Mercosur countries without having to present their passports at the point of entry. So that saves you the stress of carrying your Brazilian passport around.

Big congratulations on the birth of your baby, its a win-win for you and your family. Cheers bro

Well said Samuelsoma.

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 10:27pm On Apr 11, 2020
TechSpot:


Thanks for the reply but I saw on the site requirement that identification document is required.
See the content in the orange box on the image below.


Here's the link: https://www.justica.gov.br/seus-direitos/migracoes/autorizacao-de-residencia

Hey TechSpot. I understand and the link is right and an official source. However keep in that the link is talking about family resident permit in general which can be a Brazilian inviting a spouse, spouse’s parents etc etc. Some things don’t apply to you.

Secondly, the place you highlighted states “identification document” and not ID card. The 2 are different. Your baby’s passport or birth certificate is an identification document. In fact the 2 i just stated hold more value than the National ID card.

That brings me to my earlier comment... in short, you don’t need the id card but if you are not comfortable just go for it. It is better to have more documents.

Try downloading the passport application form or the PR application form. It will give an idea of the documents you need or just walk into a Polícia Federal and ask for the list of documents.

Cheers

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Travel / Re: Giving Birth In Brazil by Adjo10: 8:36pm On Apr 10, 2020
TechSpot:


Oh! I meant the Carteira de identidade (Identity card) "RG" (from Registro Geral, General Registry). I already have the Certidao de Nascimento (Birth certificate)

Ok. You don’t need the Carteira de identidade for the baby. You can apply for the passport without it. My child never had and does not have it and has a passport. The identity Card is something only used within Brazil as a form of identity if you don’t want to carry your passport all the time. Your baby’s birth certificate has every single information you need to fill the passport application form. In fact, the ID card info is not required during filling the passport application form. Your baby’s birth certificate is her ID, proof of citizenship and citizenship certificate. (That is why it is called citizenship by birth).

If you have time then do it but to the best of my knowledge it has nothing to do with the baby’s passport application nor your PR application. Please however cross check with your Policia Federal. Cheers

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