swifteddy:


I think I will try combining both.though the personal account doesn't have traffic of upto 6months.I will try and also attach that of my wife as well for herself to cover.since hers is savings and has a lot of traffic.thanks alot for the input

Good idea. A combination of both and proof that the company belongs to you should be good.

All the best.

Cheers

swifteddy:
Good day to you all.please am new here.please I would like to ask,though on their website it states personal statement of account.should I assume that is required for some one who is under an employer.what if am the employer with a business name account statement (sole proprietorship) and company registration documents,cant both my business name account be used to sponsor my trip with my wife.Though my wife is an employee for another company of which she can use her salary account.But what about me as I don't have personal account.the business name account is my personal account.please I need everyone opinion.thanks

Hello swiftedd. I think you will have a lot of explanations and convince to do. The truth is that they don’t trust us and in my opinion they have every reason not to. Creating a doubt in your application will not be good especially that “Personal bank account” has been put in bold on the the consulate’s website.

You can contact the consulate and ask them about it. Only them can give you a definite answer in this case. I will however suggest you get a personal bank account if you intend to travel anywhere in the future. Or better still, a joint account with your wife.

My opinion.

Cheers

For those interested in having a visualization of what Brazil looks like. A short 5 minute high definition video of 5 cities in Brazil.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjwHao9R-0

Enjoy...

Bimtonex:


Could you please help with such organisations if you won't mind please?

Hi Bimtonex. Please check online. I have never dealt with them and have no idea about Chile beside what i read online. Thanks

Icesnow:
Can you visit Chile Visa free with Brazil PR? Also, I think there's a clause in dat Chile citizenship by birth. You have to be a resident if you are a foreigner for your child to qualify for the citizenship by birth. Can you throw more light on this ma?

Icesnow you are right. I even mentioned it here previously that one parent has to be a resident at the time of birth. It is however easy to be a resident. Just attending a private language school entitles you to resident permit or visa.

If you use the land borders, then yes you can use your Brazilian PR to enter Chile. In fact, you can almost always just walk across the land borders in South America legally.

Unfortunately, i cannot give you any further info on this as i have never given birth in Chile before. I have not even been there before.
Thanks

suxes2005:


Thanks for this update.

Since the embassy is reading this and they know that Nigerians are
trying to give birth in Brazil.

They should simply introduce Health Tourism or Birth Visa, so we can
apply for such easily - and we will not have to try get a tourist visa for
child birth purpose only.

And then, they can make something like a law stating we MUST use a
private hospital and all BILLS must be paid before the child can get the
passport or before the parents can get their PR.

I am sure the embassy will work something good out, soon.

SHALOM

Very valid point.

Wilej:
Thank you Adjo10 for all the useful information you've shared. I have a few questions:

1. How long did it take for you to get your passport after 1yr residency? I'm trying to get an idea of how long the paperwork takes.

2. Are there professional immigration experts in Brazil that can help speed up the process?

3. If one is coming to Brazil for 3 or 4 months, how much do you think they'll need to survive in a city like sao Paulo (accommodation and hospital bills not included)

4. Asides from this forum, where can one find Nigerians living legitimately in Brazil to with?

5. If you're well educated, know basic Portuguese and have permanent residency, how easy or difficult will it be to get a good job as a black African?

Hello Wilej.

Q1. 3 to 6 months after submitting the required documents (i have heard of people who received it earlier than 3 months and some more than 6 months)

Q2. Yes. They can help you gather the necessary documents and application but their job ends once you submit the application with the immigration office. No one can influence how fast or slow your application is processed by the Policia Federal. Even a Brazilian President will be put to jail for trying to influence the process lol

Q3.(accommodation and hospital bills not included) 150-200 USD per person should be fine.

Q4. There are good Nigerians in Brazil, but Sorry, i don't hang with my fellow Nigerians here. When you come, you will understand.

Q5. If you meet the requirements for the job you should able to get it without any discrimination. Brazil has more Blacks than any African country except Nigeria. More blacks than any country in the world. More than half the Brazilian population are from black decent. Being black here is no problem.

Cheers

afelouz:
A quick update.

I just submitted my brazilian visa application at the lagos embassy and here is my observations.

They are aware that Nigerians use that visa for child birth and its true that they can call you for interview and ask for pregnancy test. They will ask if you are pregnant despite seeing you not pregnant physically then minute somethings on the form which I didn’t see clearly.

I notice that the average women who submitted were lowkey pregnant and yet nobody is posting anything here.

Lastly, I think they know about this thread.
I cant even write somethings here.

I don’t know why Nigerian wont just go and use private hospital and atleast pay the bills.

If I receive any mail, I will update
Its well.

Hey afelouz. Thanks for the information. It is really sad that people are reading this thread and applying but not giving any updates.

Thanks for the update. Cheers

timmb:




Pls can you help those that want to come for study so as to get resident permit?

Hey timmb. Thanks. Sorry I don’t know about studies. Thanks

Sorry if I always refers to the US and Europe. Those are the only 2 places i have lived for most of my life. I know their systems like the back of my hands. You make money in those countries and all goes on bills. You and your children are treated like 3rd class. Especially in Europe. Families are emotionally suffering but they will never tell you.

I know friends whose children were born in the US citizenship yet the parents are living in the country illegally and are being deported and separated from their children. Is that one too a country?

Experience how you are treated with your children in Brazil and you will realize that emotional peace is better than making money.

Brazil has won our hearts. If you only are looking for money, then maybe Brazil is not for you but if you are looking for a decent family life with full of happiness then come to Brazil.

daddyorion:
Bless your soul madam.

I discovered the thread a few days ago, and i have read from the first page till here. Thanks for been so ready to help and always informative. I would have loved to take this route, but unfortunately wifey is already 38 weeks. I however, have started plans towards next year for another baby, in brazil, so that this baby, the next one and the whole family can benefit for the passport.

Now to my question.
1. Do you think it is a good idea to make Brazil a permanent home, cos i don't intend coming back though. I understand that i need to learn the language, and it wont be a problem.
I am an architect and a freelance career coach.
2. Do you think a $10k USD is sufficient for the whole process?

I look forward to your response.

Hey daddyorion. Thank you and nice move.

Q1: It all depends. Everyone has different tastes. I can however tell you that when it comes to equal opportunities and opportunities in general, Salary, education, health and travel freedom with country documents, Brazil is faaaaaar better than Nigeria.

You and Your children will benefit from free quality education, free quality healthcare and better economy. The average pay is much higher than Nigeria and above all, you can finally put that troublesome green passport to rest lol.

You and your children benefit from a beautiful and diverse country. For me, Brazil is more beautiful than Europe. São Paulo for example has more sky scrapers than the whole of Europe combined. The Brazilian population is extremely friendly and diverse unlike Europe where you and your children will be treated like 3rd class humans. Brazilians are a combination of different looks and cultures. Japanese, Africans, Europeans, Latinos etc etc are all Brazilians. No wonder the current North Korean Leaders travels on a Brazilian Passport because it is one of those countries where citizenship is not defined by race or looks. Soo you have the beautiful cities and friendly people, a combination you don’t find anywhere else and that is the kind of environment i want my children to grow into.

That said, Brazil is not perfect. The pay is not as good as the US or Western Europe. However in US or Europe your spend all your earnings on paying bills which are provided in Brazil for free so at the end I personally think it’s about the same.

There is also high crime rate in Brazil but also in the US. The only good thing about Brazil is that 98% of the crimes and death related crimes are committed in the Favelas. So if you avoid those locations, you should be fine. Cities like Florianópolis, Brasilia, Blumenau are considered super safe.

The good thing is that if you enter Brazil and find put later that you don’t like it then get your Brazilian passport yourself after one year of living there as parents of a Brazilian baby and find a better opportunity somewhere else with that passport that provides you with visa free access to 171 countries. A Brazilian passport can be useless in the hands of the wrong person who may just use it for holidays or can be a blessing in the hands of someone who seeks the thousands of opportunities that allows Brazilians to legally immigrate and work in other countries especially.
Europe.

Q:2 yes that amount should be enough for the process

Cheers

If you wait and apply for the visa after your pregnancy is showing and then appear at the Consulate, then it is obvious that you are not going for tourism at that stage and your visa will be denied not because you are pregnant but because your real purpose of the visit could not be established by the VO.

If you are pregnant and not yet showing then you are good to go because pregnant women in their early stages are allowed to travel safely for tourism or whatever reason.

This is the difference. Some people apply for Brazilian visas late in pregnancy maybe because they did not know about this opportunity and some because Brazil is their last choice. I would say, if you want to give birth in Brazil, let it be your first choice. Brazil is the only country in the world that will make the entire family benefit from a child being born there. Why don’t you secure your entire family’s future first and then think of giving birth in the USA or Canada with your next child? After all, the Brazilian passport is as powerful as the American one.

You give birth in the US and then later denied tourist visa meaning you cannot even visit the country with your own American baby. That passport will be useless until your child turns 18 and can settle in the US alone.

I’m not saying don’t give birth in the US, all I’m saying is that set your priorities right. First things first. Now that my entire family is getting a Brazilian passport, my next child can safely be born in the US. With my Brazilian passport, i have a 95% of securing a US visa. Even if I’m refused, my child will still be Brazilian. Don’t follow the crowd.

I can even give birth in Chile without a visa on my current Brazilian PR or Passport and my baby becomes Chilean. A Chilean passport takes you to US, Canada and Australia visa free.

Your choices becomes endless with giving birth in Brazil. Be smart.

Cheers

During the Zika outbreak, many Brazilian consulates updated their website instructing pregnant travelers on tourist visa on how to protect themselves against the disease. Most of this information are still found on many Brazilian consulates websites.

The point i am trying to make is that being pregnant doesn’t disqualify you from obtaining a Brazilian tourist visa. I believe folma’s friend’s incident which happened in another country. Because we don’t really know the circumstances leading to the pregnancy request, i will just say that pregnancy may not have been the main reason for the refusal.

This does not however mean that you should apply for the visa when you are obviously showing. Use common sense i will say.

Cheers

Samuelsoma:
as for the pregnancy test, I am aware that the brazilian embassies in some countries are already requesting for preggy test and i remember someone mentioned it here too that the consulate in nigeria asked the wife for it and hence they were denied visa, however, you should make inquiries well or. Good luck

Hi Samuelsoma. I think there was only one incidence of pregnancy test mentioned on this platform and it was not by the consulate in Nigeria. I stand to be corrected. Thanks

folmus:


I have reported a first hand case on this platform; the situation might differ from countries you are applying from. Yes the authority in Brazil did request the embassy where the person applied for to provide preg test and got denied because of that. So it may not be applicable to every country. I have ready it on other platforms too that Brazilian embassies now ask for preg tests. Does it apply to Nigeria? I can't say as the person applied outside of Nigeria.

Thanks folmus. You are right. It may depend from country to country. I think for now the consulate in Nigeria is ok. We pray they don’t start asking such things soon. Cheers

To be honest, birth tourism is not yet a problem in Brazil. Many people don’t even know about it. If it is to be a worry then the biggest concern will be Russian women who come to Brazil just to give birth because they have visa free access to the country. But even that, it is not yet a problem.

What the problem is actually, is the fact that many of our fellow Nigerians enter Brazil as tourists and immediately seek Asylum. Because the asylum application process is extremely slow in Brazil, they take advantage and stay for many years.

The other problem is our own fellows who come here to take part in criminal activities. Brazil already has its fare share of criminals and does not want more criminals in the country.

These are the real worries of the Brazilian authorities towards us and not birth tourism. Brazil economy relies heavily on tourism hence they allow many countries visa free. If you are a Nigerian and can prove that you are a genius tourist, you should get the visa with extreme ease.

Cheers

pertruchi:
Pls house. I’m planning of giving birth in Brazil anytime soon. I have a valid US visa,will that be a plus in getting Brazil visa? How true is the pregnancy test at the Lagos embassy when applying? How much is the all cost for the Visa. And I don’t mind getting latest info from any latest applicants. Thanks

Hey pertruchi. Having a valid US visa is definitely a plus. In fact, after the Brazilian President passed a decree allowing citizens of the US, Canada and Japan to come to Brazil visa free from June this year, he has suggested allowing the same visa free regime to holders of valid visas from the US and Canada. According to the President, those embassies have already done the job that is supposed to be done by the Brazilian consulates. Though the law has not yet been passed for US valid visa holders, i am saying this to let you know that you have an upper hand in obtaining the visa.

Brazil is a well developed nation that respects human rights. I truly doubt such a country will ask you specifically for a pregnancy test. Though I heard it from this platform, I personally have not heard anyone in my circle being asked for such test. It is extremely unlikely if not illegal and unconstitutional.

For information on visa fee and others, please refer to the official consulate website.

Cheers

DavidAgboola:
Please does anyone know the cost of applying for permanent residency as a parent once you give birth in Brazil? Thank you.

Around Rs 420 per person. Thanks

tunnelvision:


Hello! i am trying to apply for the brazilian tourist visa simply for birthing purpose with my wife and a child. my question goes thus, do i have to fill the application individually or as a family? if it's as a family.... i can't find a part to apply as a family on the online registration form. your response and those of the respectable forumite will be appreciated. hanks in anticipation

Hi tunnelvision. I don’t know about your child as i have never applied with a child before but for you and your wife, you have to fill two different online applications. When submitting it at the consulate, you submit all the applications together. That is how they can know you are traveling together.

Thanks

afelouz:
I asked questions about how to fill the signature part of the online form but it got deleted two times. I don't understand what's going on o
Pls, Do I scan and upload my signature or leave it blank? thanks

You scan and upload your signature. That is what i did. I don’t know if the process has changed or not. Thanks

juliusocean:


please i asked if i can have my baby in brazil i and my fiancee are not married yet will that be a problem or affect us having permanent residence over there?

I have answered your question one step up there. Thanks

juliusocean:
@adjo10 why are my questions being deleted i asked if i can have my baby in brazil i and my fiancee are not married yet will that be a problem or affect us having permanent residence over there?

Hi juliusocean. Sorry i did not delete your posts. In fact I don’t have the ability to do so.

To your questions. No... Not being married does not affect your application for Permanent residency in any way. All you need is that the baby is truly your baby. Immigration does not care if you were married or not.

Cheers

coolsheyi:
You have been doing well by answering questions on this Brazil journey, may God continue to guide you. Very soon I will begin my own process for this journey. Thanks.

Thanks coolsheyi. God bless you in your preparations. Stay blessed.

Hello Nairaland family. Thank you for your requests for private chats. Unfortunately, I would kindly not be able to respond to individual questions privately. I tried it before and just couldn’t handle the many emails I received. I would kindly also not want to share my phone number. I am however available to answer your questions on this platform to the best of my knowledge.

Please forgive me. I hope you understand.

Thank you very much

Beautyaddy:


Hmmm...so how many years valid is the Brazilian visa if approved for Nigerians?

In most cases the visa is valid for 1 year. Within this 1 year period you can stay in Brazil for a maximum of 180 days. (3 months and extend it for another 3 months while in Brazil).

So technically, you can even obtain the visa before you even get pregnant.

But the interesting thing is that, you will never need a visa ever again after giving birth since you will be given permanent residency.

tolux8899:
Bro, Weather you apply for tourist visit or not , they won't give you since you have mentioned in the front of the consular. I did the same mistake early this year. We were denied within 6 days. Please save your money and apply next time.

Well said tolux8899. You have summarized it nicely. There is no visa category for giving birth even though it is completely legal to give birth in Brazil. If you mention it as your purpose of visit then you get automatic denial. The VO officer cannot give you a visa that does not exit. Simple....

If you manage to enter the country and give birth, nobody cares how you entered. Simple...

Toksvik:
So are you saying that my wife should just apply for visit then rather than medical?

Hi Toksvik. Your situation is a bit complicated especially that you have already discussed with the visa officer that your wife is intending to go and give birth.

I know it’s not your fault because it is normal to apply for visa to give birth in the US but Brazil is different. So far, everyone i know on this platform and outside this platform and myself gave birth in Brazil on tourist visas.

You see, the Brazilian law is such a way that when it comes to having your baby born in the country, the authorities do not care how you entered Brazil to give birth. Your baby will be Brazilian and you and your partner will get permanent residency even if you entered Brazil under the sea.

Unlike the US where you are most likely to be ban from obtaining a visa again after giving birth on a visit visa, with Brazil, you will never ever need a visa again to enter Brazil with your permanent residency. So how you enter the country is irrelevant under the law. The most important thing is that your baby is born in Brazil. Your right to permanent residency is not defined by an immigration law which can easily be changed and at the discretion of the immigration officer but in the National constitution which states that the parents of a Brazilian child cannot be expelled from the country under any circumstance. Even if the immigration officer does not like you, he or she has no choice than to obey the constitution of the land.

In your case however, I cannot advice any specific visa for you because you have informed the VO already. Use your own judgement at this point.

Cheers

Toksvik:
I was at the Brazilian embassy in vi yesterday, and was told I needed to submit the form and other docs online before bringing it to the embassy..... this is after I had paid 36k for visit while medical is 45k at stanbic ibtc..... the visa officer told me that the visa is kind if hard now..... God will help this our green passport o, it's getting more useless by the day..... because I went with my wife for birthing runs he was saying it will not be approved... I told him to leave that to me.... countries are now getting pissed of how Nigerian misuse opportunity on foreign soil. Going back next week to submit anyway and I know God will favour us... just thought I should share my experience.

Hi Toksvik. I wish you all the best. Do not give up.

I will however like to point out a few technicalities. I have written extensively on this on this platform and I will use this opportunity to remind us all.

It is not illegal to give birth in Brazil but there is however no visa category to apply to give birth in Brazil. (Welcome to Brazilian bureaucracy). Unlike the US, the medical treatment visa for Brazil does not include giving birth. In fact, it is currently considered safer to give birth in Nigeria than Brazil due to the zika outbreak some time ago.

Like i said before, if you present yourself as applying for a visa to give birth in Brazil, you are most likely going to be denied. Not because they don’t want you to give birth in Brazil but simply because there is no visa category for you. Unfortunately, the visa officer cannot create a category just for you. It’s just does not exist. Let us not confuse Brazil with the US.

I said it over and over again here but people have rather been advised to apply for medical visa. You see... some people may have been in Brazil 20 times longer than some of us but in terms of giving birth, it is a different ball game all together. Unless you have experienced it personally and most recently, your information will be misleading. Brazilian law can be very confusing. You only get to know a specific law when you come in contact with it. I am not claiming to be an expert of the law. In fact, I know nothing considering how complex Brazilian law can be and because this is an opened platform, i guess we are all free to share our knowledge. Just make sure you filter and choose the information we share here wisely.

Cheers

Beautyaddy:


That's not entirely true.

Nigerians still need visa on arrival to enter that small Island...and believe it getting through is more tough than trying to get their visa from their embassy of which they don't have.

Now also for such a child to claim citizenship by just soil in Saints Kitts and Nevis is just not that straight forward like Canada, US or Brazil.

The Child that is born in Saints Kitts and Nevis will have to prove that the parents of that child are unknown or Stateless before such a child can be granted Saints Kitts and Nevis citizenship by just soil.

Thanks Beautyaddy. I am 100% sure that entering Saints Kitts and Nevis is visa free for Nigerians and not visa of arrival.

Any person born on the island after 1983 is automatically a citizen even if both parents are foreigners. There are only 2 exceptions: Children born before independence (1983) are citizens if their parents are stateless and number 2. Children born to diplomats.

Since this platform is for giving birth in Brazil, i rest my case will comment no further on this.

Cheers

Alternatively to Giving birth in Brazil

@Justwise. Hope I’m not breaking any rules here. If I’m, kindly let me know so i delete it. Thanks

For those who have visa issues in giving birth in Brazil, US or Canada there is good news for you. St. Kitts and Nevis gives unconditional citizenship by birth and it is visa free for Nigerians. The St. Kitts and Nevis passport takes you to 152 visa free countries around the world including visa free for the European Schengen zone.

You may consider this an alternative if you have visa issues.

Disclaimer: I do not have much information. You have to do all the research yourself.

Cheers

Interesting facts

Brazil has the largest African diaspora population in the world with an African population of 55,900,000. Brazil also has more Africans than any African country except Nigeria. And Salvador is considered the largest city with more blacks than any city in the world. Brazil has the second highest number of airports in the world.

Fascinating....

Cheers