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Katsumoto: The diversions will remain ineffective. You have told several lies that I pointed out and you did not deem it fit to acknowledge them let allow apologize for the lies. On another thread I provided proof to show that you are a hypocrite and you think you can continue to avoid the issue. You have severally stated that Igbo soldiers planned a coup but when a Yoruba soldier was referenced you shamelessly claimed he was a Nigerian soldier and and not Yoruba soldier. You don't have integrity and every single time you avoid the issue you make this fact more obvious. While not under any obligation to answer your questions I will do so to prove that we don't belong to the same class. Why was Zik trying to keep the three regions together in one country if not because he wanted to rule Nigeria? The North said they were not ready, the west said they were ready for self autonomy; why did Zik say the East wasn't ready? In the process delaying Independence by three years only to serve as a ceremonial head of state in a government ruled by people that were junior to him in all facets of life? Your first question sounds ridiculous since you provided your answer to your question. The premise the question was based on remains faulty and as such your conclusion will always remain faulty. Zik fought for independence (before 1960) and believed in one Nigeria. That remains his choice and will explain why a lot of his people will tell you that Zik was part of the problem of the Igbos as he kept fighting for Nigeria whereas others were busy fighting for their tribes alone. This is why his name keeps coming up when people talk about national hero, not tribal hero. His works are well document and he is respected even outside Nigeria, hence the name Zik of Africa. Would you also accuse him of wanting to be the president of Africa? |
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SapeleGuy: You don't have any right to dictate to the Igbos who they should celebrate. You seem not to understand where your rights stop and where the rights of others begin. The facts clearly show that he is not corrupt and that is what matter here and that makes him a very bold wealthy Nigerian that is never afraid to say what many people may want to say but would not for fear of being exposed for the corrupt ways. Stop crying more than the bereaved. You will never be in a position to advise the Igbos on who to castigate just as many of us have consistently failed in trying to make the Igbos see Ojukwu as the problem when in fact we are still witnessing what he complained about and fought for today. How does it sound when you hear people talk about secession because they think Nigeria is not working? Funny and silly if you asked me sha. Katsumoto: You don't set the rules and you will never have the power to set the rules. I never insult people but will always respond to insults in kind. Try me and see. |
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tolu001: When next you see your father tell him exactly what you put down here. Only idiots like you will leave the issues to insult others simply because the facts of the matter don't favor him silly pig. Salaries and allowances paid to senators cannot be equated to stealing. Winning an election cannot be equated to stealing or looting. Not that I expect you to understand these things because in my opinion you are just an egg head looking for attention. I am stating these things so that others will see through what lies have done to this country. Don't forget to say the same thing to your mother also just in case your father doesn't understand you - a huge possibility. |
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Katsumoto: Seems you missed this Afam: |
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SapeleGuy: What constitutes bribe in one environment may not in another. Even in the US law makers and senators collect bribes but they use the word lobbying to make sound like anything but bribe. If the only crime you can attribute to Nzeribe today is that is collecting bribe from foreign contractors in Ghana then there is no case against the man. A Nigerian being important to the extent that foreigner even give him bribe to influence decisions in another country Ghana! Maybe he is as guilty as Bush that came to Nigeria a couple of weeks ago as he has no business coming down here if not to influence something as he was not on holidays. |
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ElRazur: 1. Those who wanted out were forced to remain while killing them in the process. 2. The only choice left was to adapt and that they have done well. 3. The poverty index was not prepared by Igbos but by Nigeria and UN. 4. Even though you don't have any moral right to ask me personal questions (considering the fact that you cannot even state your tribe) I will respond to your last question. Nigeria is working well for me on a personal level. Any other questions? |
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SapeleGuy: What are the crimes? Please state them so I can respond to them. It seems we have moved from the initial comments by some that the man is corrupt to source of his wealth and now to honor and values. For me, the fact that people at least now know that he did not loot money like our corrupt politicians is ok by me. If you have any information about any crime he committed to make money please state it here. |
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ElRazur: I will take it that you clearly refuse to state your tribe because your constant call for us to forget the past will be seen in the correct context. Your tribe will in no way affect the discussion so don't use that line again. As to your last question the concept of one Nigeria is working for me in real life because that is what Nigerians had forced my people to live with and a lot of us have adapted well into the system. From 20 pounds by Awolowo after the war to the region with the least poverty index even without any FG support should make it clear how the Igbos have fared in Nigeria - the same country that killed them and refused them to leave. As Ojukwu once stated, you cannot deny me the right to be a Biafran and at the same time deny me the right to be a Nigerian. Either way the Igbos are fine, trust me. Whether in this marriage we objected to or as independent nation. |
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SapeleGuy: At least no single fact that points to him corruptly enriching himself in Nigeria, that to me is a good development. A lot of lies and misinformation are going around on virtually everything in this country that you get to wonder if indeed it is very difficult to stick to the truth. Dealing in arms is not a dirty business anyway. You may also want to research on a case he won in the UK I think where he made a lot of money and then declared bankruptcy (some say to avoid the huge tax on the money, not sure). The bottom line is that he is one wealthy Nigerian that did not steal a kobo from Nigeria and that is why he is bold and courageous to say anything unlike those that the threat of EFCC will just make them retreat or even do u-turns on issues. |
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Katsumoto: Who is avoiding the issues here? I have pointed out the hypocrisy in you when it comes to tribes of soldiers with real comments by you and all you do is beat around the bush and reduce the thread into - Afam is attacking you. Why would I attack you when I have enough information to prove your hypocrisy and double standards? Someone that talks about Igbo soldiers planning a coup has no moral right to complain about a Yoruba soldier doing anything unless the person is an unrepentant hypocrite. This is the crux of my comment, deal with is and stop chasing shadows. |
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Katsumoto: In other words, if it cannot be found online it does not exist? I am not attacking you by the way. I am only responding to issues raised. You are the one that has this strange feeling that I am attacking you abi na stalking you. |
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ndu_chucks: I did not even read the guy's response in full so didn't even see the questions until you reproduced them. I stopped reading his entry when the first few sentences were just lies and I hit the reply button and quoted the relevant parts that I addressed. I don't have time to read nonsense from people who lie and have no integrity and I do this to a lot of people here. Facts must be respected. We must be sincere and honest in our discussions otherwise we will be wasting our times here. So, I never responded to his questions and I am not under any obligation to do so because he has twisted and told several lies here on issues that are common knowledge. Katsumoto: Trying to discredit you? So, linking to online entries by anyone that has access to the internet and a web hosting space amounts to factual information even when some of the man's positions have been exposed as lies in the past? I believe you are educated so please make use of your initiative when reading content online before seeing them as facts. |
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Katsumoto: Seems you just ate one sweet humble pie. I have never insulted any tribe here neither do I believe in blaming a tribe or ethnic group based on the actions of a few. I had pointed out severally that some Yorubas fought for Biafra while some others even sacrificed their careers for the same reason hence my position that it it very wrong to blame a people for the actions of a few. However, for people like you it becomes pure hypocrisy when you constantly allude that the Igbos planned the coup even when the make up was not purely Igbo but whenever a Yoruba soldier's name is mentioned you are quick to talk about Nigerian soldier not Yoruba soldier. Do you now see the hypocrisy and double standards in your posts? That is why I insist that you are insincere in your discussions and whether you admit it or not you see things through a tribal prism. |
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ndu_chucks: Pay attention to details, your error rate is getting embarrassingly high. What you are attributing to me was a reproduction of what the guy had stated on several occasions whenever his lies are exposed. On my part I believe that people should do well to verify information they have rather than making ridiculous statements and expecting others to correct them. Again, take time to read and understand posts before jumping into conclusions. |
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ElRazur: Where are you from? Your state or your tribe? Igbos pushed for one Nigeria pre and post independence. Igbos pushed for secession when a lot of things began to go wrong. Igbos after losing the bitter war were forced to remain in Nigeria and they have done just that. Now, you want to secede again? Secede go where? The indecision is getting out of hand. I guess Ojukwu would be having a good laugh while taking palm wine as Nigerians complain about what he complained about some 43 years ago. |
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Katsumoto: This forum is not a history class so if you don't know these things then you may ask someone else to educate you because as for me I will prefer you continue to swim in the ocean of ignorance than to help you. |
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Katsumoto: I will assume correctly that you don't know anything about the military going by your comments. Orders must not be taken, you can refuse an order. Coup planning is a dangerous thing. You get informed and the options are clear - join or die. Only intelligent people would understand this so don't worry if you still don't get it, it is not a must you do. You have as usual dismissed the fact that the coup was foiled by Igbo soldiers and one had to die in the process. Of course, such facts make nonsense of your conspiracy theories so they will never be respected. |
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doyin13: Yes, he is the same man. Thank God that some of you are now owning up to his source of wealth. One fact remains that he never made his money from contracts neither did he loot any public funds. That is why he remains a very bold Nigerian that no one can intimidate or expose. By the way, I believe he sold weapons to not just Biafrans. |
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Katsumoto: I cannot remember responding to any of your posts for more than 2 weeks apart from today where posts that I responded to that had anything to do with you amounts to less than 5% so stop feeling important and stop telling stupid lies. Your views are largely inconsequential considering the fact that most times you don't even have any solid information or facts to back up anything you put down, hence your constant rant that this forum is a place for us to learn and as such we can make mistakes while expecting others to correct them. So, when it comes to serious issues trust me your views don't count. Unfortunately for you today I felt like exposing some of the lies, inconsistencies, lack of knowledge and hypocrisy that are usually inherent in your comments. |
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ElRazur: Just remind me any day a non Nigerian flag is raised any where within Nigeria and shots are fired then we shall continue with the discussion. One Nigeria to the end! |
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Katsumoto: Was the coup organized by only Igbo soldiers? You see the hypocrisy you are displaying here? When it suits you the tribe of the soldiers become an issue but when it does not the tribe becomes a non issue. And to think that you used the word analyse even with your statements above makes me lose hope. You see how you are now contradicting yourself? Be honest in your discussions. |
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KnowAll: The same reason Gowon refused Brigadier General Ogundipe from becoming the head of state when Ironsi was killed, a position Ojukwu opposed even though Ogundipe was a Yoruba man while making it clear that it was wrong and would lead to indiscipline in the army. KnowAll: The content in bold refers, I guess you need to allow other regions to have that benefit of hindsight before you can continue with the preaching. I pointed out very clearly that your motive is not pure before the SW has done 8 years so you now see it as not necessary even when you agreed power was shifted to the SW and I guess you never objected to it. |
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Katsumoto: I presented facts so I will advise you do same. Serving in the senate is his choice and that was to represent his people, at least 4 times since it is not possible for Westerners or Northerners to represent his people. Are you aware that MKO visited Nzeribe in his home after the annulment? Are you aware that MKO made it clear that he can rule without any consideration to the Igbos when asked about the position of the Igbos in his government even when Igbos voted for him? If your answers to the 2 questions above are in the negative then I don't expect you to understand why he formed ABN. |
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ALMUSTAQIM: So, it is wrong to defame Jesus Christ or Christains but right to kill Christians or burn down their churches? Can you explain this contradictory position please? |
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ElRazur: Biafra existed between 1967 and 1970. I am not one of those that support Biafra today because to me it does not exist today based on the present balkanization of the Eastern region so I don't need to get mad about Biafra today. However, what I detest is the constant lies by other Nigerians about what happened in the past that you conveniently want us to forget. I respect your opinion about what you consider justice for what happened but you may never understand it fully until another group attempts to secede, that is when you will understand justice in its fullest measure. |
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Ibime: It is obvious that the Udenwa's daughter you are talking about knows nothing about Nzeribe. Nzeribe made his money outside Nigeria, does not get involved in government contracts and that was the reason why he compiled names of powerful Nigerians in 1999 and made it clear that we can tackle corruption if we are serious by simply matching assets to people and asking them to explain the source. Is the man very rich? Yes. Is he one of the corrupt politicians that have looted Nigeria dry? No. Love him or hate him I prefer people like this man at the helm of affairs as they always say things the way they are. So, Udenwa's daughter would do well to focus on the money her father looted rather than finding it difficult to understand how Nzeribe became so rich. |
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ND militants were not killing innocent people in the middle of the night. Sometimes you find it hard to understand how these people became representatives of the people even though such realization makes it easy to come to terms why you don't have any meaningful development. |
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ElRazur: Personally, I prefer break up into regions that should be allowed to progress at whatever rate they want. However, it is not about my preference, it is about justice, truth and fair play. Even till this day many Nigerians including the leader of the country when the civil war was fought continue to lie and mislead everyone about what happened before, during and after the war just to blame those that were being unnecessarily massacred by others. How do you expect a meaningful progress with these lies flying around everywhere? Yes, people will oppose and yes if need be war could break out but trust me if and when it does many Igbos may end up fighting to keep Nigeria one than breaking it up because our destiny cannot be manipulated by others whenever it suits them to do so. Zik wanted a united Nigeria. Ironsi and Ojukwu foiled the first coup. After a 3 year old war that saw millions of people die majority of them women and children from starvation and bombs from even super powers we still have other forms of economic, political and infrastructural wars being waged against the Igbos. Yet, the Igbos are scattered all over Nigeria doing business and surviving even when Awolowo gave them 20 pounds irrespective of what they had in the bank. Others have even bought lands in PH as they lost what they had built before the war to abandoned properties project spear headed by Saro Wiwa who was trained with Eastern region money in both CIC and UNN (without crude oil money). Now, some of you want out. Maybe that will happen after a bitter war because no one is going to get off easily this time. The lies must be stopped. Acknowledgement of actions and deeds in place. Apologies were necessary offered. Repentance and truth will help in reconciliation. When these are put in place then any talk about break up whether peaceful or by war would not be analysed with open mind. Enough of the manipulations, schemings and double speak from Nigeria and Nigerians. 1 Like |
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He cannot rule for another 4 years or better put he should not be allowed to rule for another 4 years. To address the many injustices and complaints of marginalization be certain tribes or regions the issue of power rotation came into being and that seems to be the only workable solution at least for now. It was this same power rotation that brought OBJ into office for 2 terms and it makes perfect sense to allow any region a possible 2 term presidency. Unless of course, as a yoruba man you believe that now that the SW has done 8 years now is the time to abandon that arrangement. This seems like unadulterated selfishness to me and well meaning Nigerians should be able to see through this position that on the surface might seem like a progressive position but in reality is filled with insincerity. |
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Not so fast, there will be no break up. I thought the rest of Nigeria fought for one Nigeria when the Biafrans moved out as a result of the senseless killings of people from the then Eastern region? Anyone or region or tribe thinking of breaking away from Nigeria today should have a rethink because there are those that will do whatever is necessary to fight such to a standstill. We shall swim or sink together, after all that was the message sent to even millions that were killed whether through bombs, massacres, starvation etc. The blood of the innocent will not be shed in vain. We must work to make Nigeria work or else, |
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Katsumoto: You see Katsumoto, I knew it would come to this, once you find it difficult to defend your tribally motivated posts you resort to making unsubstantiated or even ridiculous allegations. Even before the events of the 66 - 70 this man has been called Zik of Africa, maybe he also wanted to become the president of Africa. Interesting times ahead indeed on this forum. One by one the mask is being taken off and we are beginning to see the real faces. |
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