Katsumoto:

What a way to dodge the question. You attempt to discredit people who disagree with you by name-calling so as to avoid answering legitimate questions. When people express opinions that are contrary to yours, you immediately label them liars and without integrity and honour. If people are wrong, then the right thing to do is to correct them and back it up with facts. If people are intentionally twisting facts, then again the right thing to do is to present your own argument and back it up with proof. When they ask you to correct 'wrong' posters, you say you are not here to educate anyone and that people should go and get the facts for themselves. When you are asked to provide proof to what may seem purely conjectural, you reply that your argument is public knowledge. What are you really here to do? Instead of engaging in debate, you are constantly accusing people. I challenge you to ignore irrelevant chit-chat and focus on the issues being discussed on the thread because name-calling simply derails the thread. Name-calling is so juvenile; I assume you are a grown man, concentrate on what is relevant. All these talk about other posters being liars, dishonest, without integrity is just a pathetic attempt at avoiding intelligent debate. All I hear is empty air.

You are not the embodiment of knowledge and if a poster is being disingenuous, then you are not the only one who can find him out. There are several intelligent and knowledgeable posters and readers on these forums and they know whether one is lying, telling the truth or simply ignorant. This thread is about whether Zik was a nationalist or not. What is your take on that? I am sure you are going to ignore the purpose of the thread and focus on me calling me a liar and a charlatan.

The diversions will remain ineffective.

You have told several lies that I pointed out and you did not deem it fit to acknowledge them let allow apologize for the lies.

On another thread I provided proof to show that you are a hypocrite and you think you can continue to avoid the issue.

You have severally stated that Igbo soldiers planned a coup but when a Yoruba soldier was referenced you shamelessly claimed he was a Nigerian soldier and and not Yoruba soldier.

You don't have integrity and every single time you avoid the issue you make this fact more obvious.

While not under any obligation to answer your questions I will do so to prove that we don't belong to the same class.

Why was Zik trying to keep the three regions together in one country if not because he wanted to rule Nigeria? The North said they were not ready, the west said they were ready for self autonomy; why did Zik say the East wasn't ready? In the process delaying Independence by three years only to serve as a ceremonial head of state in a government ruled by people that were junior to him in all facets of life?

Your first question sounds ridiculous since you provided your answer to your question. The premise the question was based on remains faulty and as such your conclusion will always remain faulty.

Zik fought for independence (before 1960) and believed in one Nigeria. That remains his choice and will explain why a lot of his people will tell you that Zik was part of the problem of the Igbos as he kept fighting for Nigeria whereas others were busy fighting for their tribes alone. This is why his name keeps coming up when people talk about national hero, not tribal hero.

His works are well document and he is respected even outside Nigeria, hence the name Zik of Africa.

Would you also accuse him of wanting to be the president of Africa?

SapeleGuy:

 Kai !! I shake my head in sorrow. Some of you are quick to call others traitors / sabo but here you are celebrating a man who sold weapons to both sides during the Biafra war.

You don't have any right to dictate to the Igbos who they should celebrate. You seem not to understand where your rights stop and where the rights of others begin.

The facts clearly show that he is not corrupt and that is what matter here and that makes him a very bold wealthy Nigerian that is never afraid to say what many people may want to say but would not for fear of being exposed for the corrupt ways.

Stop crying more than the bereaved. You will never be in a position to advise the Igbos on who to castigate just as many of us have consistently failed in trying to make the Igbos see Ojukwu as the problem when in fact we are still witnessing what he complained about and fought for today.

How does it sound when you hear people talk about secession because they think Nigeria is not working? Funny and silly if you asked me sha.

Katsumoto:

He insulted you and you insulted him back; thats fine but there is no need to bring his parents into this.

You don't set the rules and you will never have the power to set the rules.

I never insult people but will always respond to insults in kind. Try me and see.

tolu001:

@afam  nzeribe wan in the senate  4times and he did not steal a dime from the nigerian government u must be a F.O.O.L

When next you see your father tell him exactly what you put down here.

Only idiots like you will leave the issues to insult others simply because the facts of the matter don't favor him silly pig.

Salaries and allowances paid to senators cannot be equated to stealing.

Winning an election cannot be equated to stealing or looting.

Not that I expect you to understand these things because in my opinion you are just an egg head looking for attention. I am stating these things so that others will see through what lies have done to this country.

Don't forget to say the same thing to your mother also just in case your father doesn't understand you - a huge possibility.

Katsumoto:

By the way, you are yet to respond to my argument which is related to this particular thread. Ndu_chuks was kind enough to provide a reminder.

Seems you missed this

Afam:

I did not even read the guy's response in full so didn't even see the questions until you reproduced them.

I stopped reading his entry when the first few sentences were just lies and I hit the reply button and quoted the relevant parts that I addressed.

I don't have time to read nonsense from people who lie and have no integrity and I do this to a lot of people here.

Facts must be respected. We must be sincere and honest in our discussions otherwise we will be wasting our times here.

So, I never responded to his questions and I am not under any obligation to do so because he has twisted and told several lies here on issues that are common knowledge.

SapeleGuy:

Accepting bribes from foreign contractors in Ghana.

With respect, if we are assessing an individuals credibility, then  source of wealth can't be ignored because it can be linked to corruption, which in one aspect is the antitheses of honour.
Values and morality can simply be equated to things you will or will not do, these can also be linked back to corruption. We have not digressed.

I see these as paramount in assessing a leaders credibility.

What constitutes bribe in one environment may not in another.

Even in the US law makers and senators collect bribes but they use the word lobbying to make sound like anything but bribe.

If the only crime you can attribute to Nzeribe today is that is collecting bribe from foreign contractors in Ghana then there is no case against the man.

A Nigerian being important to the extent that foreigner even give him bribe to influence decisions in another country Ghana!

Maybe he is as guilty as Bush that came to Nigeria a couple of weeks ago as he has no business coming down here if not to influence something as he was not on holidays.

ElRazur:


Please rephrase the first statement. I thought I did understand, but I want to make sure I DO understand what you are saying.

Moving on to your 3rd statement, you appeared to have made an error! I will hold you on to that. You stated that you want Nigeria to be one and how it is working for you. Yet you made the statement "Nigerians forced your people. . . ."
Why do you see the need to use such phrase that carries a tone of division? Furthermore, you suggested that "Your people have adapted well" Now I am putting it to you that if you are forced and as a result adapted well. If you have your choice, won't you refused to be forced any more and then find your OWN way?

I do not know the real figures for poverty index in the region, but the ingenuity and industriousness of the igbo people cannot be denied. This however, have no bearing on whether we should stay together or divide. If anything, it should work as an advantage and another reason why we should perhaps break up?


As per your last point. I see you speak for the igbos, what about the other tribes who are not keen on the marriage does their say matter? Remember I am of the opinion that people want to go their separate ways be it Igbos, Yoruba, Hausa and those who may want their independent region or smaller nations. Those who will object to it are those who are perhaps stealing from Nigeria - not talking about you, but those who are in the House of powers and very influential.


Finally, my question was aimed more as to how Nigeria as one is working for you on a personal level. Not just how the igbos have fared over the time.

1. Those who wanted out were forced to remain while killing them in the process.

2. The only choice left was to adapt and that they have done well.

3. The poverty index was not prepared by Igbos but by Nigeria and UN.

4. Even though you don't have any moral right to ask me personal questions (considering the fact that you cannot even state your tribe) I will respond to your last question. Nigeria is working well for me on a personal level.

Any other questions?

SapeleGuy:

Afam -  Play back what you have just written, reflect on it. Is this to say that we should ignore crimes that were commited outside Nigeria?

What is money without honour? Surely you don't champion such values.

What are the crimes? Please state them so I can respond to them.

It seems we have moved from the initial comments by some that the man is corrupt to source of his wealth and now to honor and values.

For me, the fact that people at least now know that he did not loot money like our corrupt politicians is ok by me.

If you have any information about any crime he committed to make money please state it here.

ElRazur:

In order to remove sentiments and emotions, or not to encourage those. I think it is perhaps irrelevant to the debate at hand.

As you stated that Igbos wanted and pushed for a one nation, so also will you find that other tribes pushed for one nation too. It isn't an igbo exclusive thing. The point is that over the years, the idea of one nation is not working for many and people are more or less waking up and smelling the coffee.

I am not sure about you second to the last statement, there isn't any indecisiveness on my end here. I have remained on the same point from the beginning, which is for Nigeria to separate into smaller nations or regions.

Again, stating the same points I have tried to explain to you a couple of times or so. Just because Igbos feel hard done by issue of Biafra, it do not mean it is a good enough reason to hold us all to ransom and force people to be part of what they do not want to be part of.

Here is a rough yardstick measure - Take a quick poll of yes or no with the question should Nigeria break, again my feeling is that it will be plenty of "Yes we want to break up" and very few "No."

Since you never addressed the issue I raised in my last post, before this one let me rephrase is again. How is the Concept of One Nigeria working for you in real life?

I will take it that you clearly refuse to state your tribe because your constant call for us to forget the past will be seen in the correct context.

Your tribe will in no way affect the discussion so don't use that line again.

As to your last question the concept of one Nigeria is working for me in real life because that is what Nigerians had forced my people to live with and a lot of us have adapted well into the system.

From 20 pounds by Awolowo after the war to the region with the least poverty index even without any FG support should make it clear how the Igbos have fared in Nigeria - the same country that killed them and refused them to leave.

As Ojukwu once stated, you cannot deny me the right to be a Biafran and at the same time deny me the right to be a Nigerian.

Either way the Igbos are fine, trust me. Whether in this marriage we objected to or as independent nation.

SapeleGuy:

Nzeribe was and is only interested in what is best for Nzeribe.

Nzeribe helped the General Ankrah govt that overthrew Nkrumah (at the behest of certain foreign powers) Nzeribe was kicked out of Ghana in 1969 for bribery and corruption and General Ankrah was forced to resign over this scandal, so nobody should hoodwink us and say the source of his wealth is clean.

Whether Ghana or Nigeria - looting is looting.

This man is stupendously wealthy but sadly there is no evidence of his wealth touching the lives of his people.
We should reject his type of avaricious leadership and consign it to the dustbin.

At least no single fact that points to him corruptly enriching himself in Nigeria, that to me is a good development. A lot of lies and misinformation are going around on virtually everything in this country that you get to wonder if indeed it is very difficult to stick to the truth.

Dealing in arms is not a dirty business anyway.

You may also want to research on a case he won in the UK I think where he made a lot of money and then declared bankruptcy (some say to avoid the huge tax on the money, not sure).

The bottom line is that he is one wealthy Nigerian that did not steal a kobo from Nigeria and that is why he is bold and courageous to say anything unlike those that the threat of EFCC will just make them retreat or even do u-turns on issues.

Katsumoto:

What planet are you from? Where is the humble pie? Stop this petty talk. No one is aware of what goes on, on each thread; why not stick to the discussions on this thread? Your unnecessary name-calling and attempts at discrediting me are pathetic. You don't see me insulting you; why not just stick to the point we are addressing. There is no prize for any winner here.

Who is avoiding the issues here?

I have pointed out the hypocrisy in you when it comes to tribes of soldiers with real comments by you and all you do is beat around the bush and reduce the thread into - Afam is attacking you. Why would I attack you when I have enough information to prove your hypocrisy and double standards?

Someone that talks about Igbo soldiers planning a coup has no moral right to complain about a Yoruba soldier doing anything unless the person is an unrepentant hypocrite.

This is the crux of my comment, deal with is and stop chasing shadows.

Katsumoto:

This is an online forum and the only way we can back up our arguments is by providing a link to online sources. It is not the best but it should do. If you have a contrary argument and source, please provide it instead of attacking others.

In other words, if it cannot be found online it does not exist? I am not attacking you by the way. I am only responding to issues raised.

You are the one that has this strange feeling that I am attacking you abi na stalking you.

ndu_chucks:

If you've already responded to the questions in my last post, I apologize for missing your response. Kindly post me a link to your response.

I did not even read the guy's response in full so didn't even see the questions until you reproduced them.

I stopped reading his entry when the first few sentences were just lies and I hit the reply button and quoted the relevant parts that I addressed.

I don't have time to read nonsense from people who lie and have no integrity and I do this to a lot of people here.

Facts must be respected. We must be sincere and honest in our discussions otherwise we will be wasting our times here.

So, I never responded to his questions and I am not under any obligation to do so because he has twisted and told several lies here on issues that are common knowledge.

Katsumoto:

I am but one man; my views can not be more important than the next man. Why do you need to label people who disagree with you? Resorting to name calling is petty. You claim that I never have solid information. Anyone, who has followed my posts on these forums will attest to the fact that I always provide links to back my posts up. A lot of people on these forums argue based on what was handed down to them by fathers and uncles. I never do that. I suspect you are aware of that but you decided to 'give a dog a bad name in order to hang'. On this thread alone, I have provided a link to support my argument. Why don't you provide a link or source to back your position instead of trying to discredit me?

Trying to discredit you? So, linking to online entries by anyone that has access to the internet and a web hosting space amounts to factual information even when some of the man's positions have been exposed as lies in the past?

I believe you are educated so please make use of your initiative when reading content online before seeing them as facts.

Katsumoto:

Yes, you can refuse orders. Lt. Col Ayo Ariyo resigned his post under Adekunle rather than fight Biafra. Banjo fought for Biafra and was executed by Ojukwu. Soyinka spent 26 months in prison for Biafra. There were Igbo sons who fought against Biafra; should it be a big deal if Adekunle fought against Biafra?

This is the part I don't get about certain people. Dede1 who made the initial comment is aware of all these, yet he made an unnecessary comment about a Yoruba son fighting against Biafra ignoring the actions of other Yoruba sons as well as the actions of Igbo sons and other Easterners who fought against Biafra. We should always give a balanced argument when debating. Hightlighting one part of history so as to strenghten one's argument while ignoring other relevant parts of history is not a fair way to have a debate.

Seems you just ate one sweet humble pie.

I have never insulted any tribe here neither do I believe in blaming a tribe or ethnic group based on the actions of a few.

I had pointed out severally that some Yorubas fought for Biafra while some others even sacrificed their careers for the same reason hence my position that it it very wrong to blame a people for the actions of a few.

However, for people like you it becomes pure hypocrisy when you constantly allude that the Igbos planned the coup even when the make up was not purely Igbo but whenever a Yoruba soldier's name is mentioned you are quick to talk about Nigerian soldier not Yoruba soldier.

Do you now see the hypocrisy and double standards in your posts? That is why I insist that you are insincere in your discussions and whether you admit it or not you see things through a tribal prism.

ndu_chucks:

If indeed this forum is a place for us to learn and as such we can make mistakes while expecting others to correct them, as you put it, then why don't you respond to Katsumoto's questions directly, why dodge the issue?

Pay attention to details, your error rate is getting embarrassingly high.

What you are attributing to me was a reproduction of what the guy had stated on several occasions whenever his lies are exposed.

On my part I believe that people should do well to verify information they have rather than making ridiculous statements and expecting others to correct them.

Again, take time to read and understand posts before jumping into conclusions.

ElRazur:

I agree it will not be a straightforward process if breaking up happens - based on break ups from around the world.

Having said that, we've had four decades at least [I wont say five, to allow for settling down etc] to get things right, do you not think perhaps it may be worth trying other options if we are not so united under the theme of unity?

Where are you from? Your state or your tribe?

Igbos pushed for one Nigeria pre and post independence.

Igbos pushed for secession when a lot of things began to go wrong.

Igbos after losing the bitter war were forced to remain in Nigeria and they have done just that.

Now, you want to secede again? Secede go where? The indecision is getting out of hand.

I guess Ojukwu would be having a good laugh while taking palm wine as Nigerians complain about what he complained about some 43 years ago.

Katsumoto:

You did not provide any facts. You only stated that he made his money outside Nigeria and that he is rich. How is that a fact?
Also, to the questions that you raised, is that not just plain hearsay and gossip? Were you there when Abiola visited Nzeribe? If you weren't there, then please provide evidence that he was there by way of a publication. Otherwise, its just Nzeribe saying all that just to justify his devilish acts. Hear-say and gossip do not qualify as facts. This is not a beer parlour.

This forum is not a history class so if you don't know these things then you may ask someone else to educate you because as for me I will prefer you continue to swim in the ocean of ignorance than to help you.

Katsumoto:

LOL
If you analyse the issue properly, you will realise that the Yoruba soldier was following orders; he did not act of his own free will. While the Igbo officers were not under orders. This is so simple, why are you complicating it just to prove a futile point?

I will assume correctly that you don't know anything about the military going by your comments.

Orders must not be taken, you can refuse an order.

Coup planning is a dangerous thing. You get informed and the options are clear - join or die.

Only intelligent people would understand this so don't worry if you still don't get it, it is not a must you do.

You have as usual dismissed the fact that the coup was foiled by Igbo soldiers and one had to die in the process. Of course, such facts make nonsense of your conspiracy theories so they will never be respected.

doyin13:

Is this the same man that allegedly procured tons of antique weapons
for Biafrans?

Yes, he is the same man. Thank God that some of you are now owning up to his source of wealth.

One fact remains that he never made his money from contracts neither did he loot any public funds.

That is why he remains a very bold Nigerian that no one can intimidate or expose.

By the way, I believe he sold weapons to not just Biafrans.

Katsumoto:

Unlike you, I analyse issues with logic and facts; I do not analyse issues with emotions. Making a comment after each post I make amounts to immature stalking. If one makes a comment about an issue which is connected to Ndigbo, you immediately get a fit. It appears that you prefer to discuss the errors and sins of the leaders of other tribes ignoring the errors and sins of Igbo leaders.

I cannot remember responding to any of your posts for more than 2 weeks apart from today where posts that I responded to that had anything to do with you amounts to less than 5% so stop feeling important and stop telling stupid lies.

Your views are largely inconsequential considering the fact that most times you don't even have any solid information or facts to back up anything you put down, hence your constant rant that this forum is a place for us to learn and as such we can make mistakes while expecting others to correct them.

So, when it comes to serious issues trust me your views don't count. Unfortunately for you today I felt like exposing some of the lies, inconsistencies, lack of knowledge and hypocrisy that are usually inherent in your comments.

ElRazur:

Oga, I have no affiliation - you can tell from my post I stay away from Tribalism et al.

If you feel there have been injustices and lies - which quite rightly so - I suspect you need to find another avenue to pursue that if you feel it is worth pursing. But to have the opinion that we cannot go each others way based on past bloodshed, lies etc. I think you will find you opinions been forever challenged.

I think if there is an attempt at a break-off this time, the people of the east will support it but be wary of any backlash. The Yorubas seem to want in too - even though there are divisions here and there. The Hausa - no offence to any one from this region - will probably see it as getting rid of the Yorubawa and co from their land. It is only those who steal from Nigeria in my opinion on all front will refuse to see what the most of us sees i.e want a divorce.

Just remind me any day a non Nigerian flag is raised any where within Nigeria and shots are fired then we shall continue with the discussion.

One Nigeria to the end!

Katsumoto:

Thats just plain silly. Was there really a need to mention the tribe of the soldier? So one Yoruba soldier following orders from his superiors now amounts to a Yoruba agenda? Also, that action of following orders is now equal to the action of 9 Igbo soldiers who organised a coup of their own free will? Please try to analyse issues dispassionately.

Was the coup organized by only Igbo soldiers?

You see the hypocrisy you are displaying here?

When it suits you the tribe of the soldiers become an issue but when it does not the tribe becomes a non issue.

And to think that you used the word analyse even with your statements above makes me lose hope.

You see how you are now contradicting yourself? Be honest in your discussions.

KnowAll:

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This country has being run for too long by semi and stack illiterates, we have folded our arms in allowing people who cannot manage their own personal life’s adequately to determine the faith of 150 million Nigerians. These people are failures in whatever discipline they must have chosen, mutineers in most cases, people who should cover their faces in shame, tell me what reason does IBB have in overthrowing his Boss in 1985, no other reason than greed.
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The same reason Gowon refused Brigadier General Ogundipe from becoming the head of state when Ironsi was killed, a position Ojukwu opposed even though Ogundipe was a Yoruba man while making it clear that it was wrong and would lead to indiscipline in the army.

KnowAll:

The OBJ issue- he was Head of State by accident in 1976 when his boss was killed that was an act of God. And the Second time he was made President by a compromise between North and South to compensate the SW for the Abiola Saga. Unfortunately with benefit of hindsight it was a poor choice and a wrong decision. We don’t have to continue in this cycle of wrong decision because we want to satisfy one ethnic group or the other. If the system works most Nigerians especially the youths might not even be interested in who runs the country.
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The content in bold refers, I guess you need to allow other regions to have that benefit of hindsight before you can continue with the preaching.

I pointed out very clearly that your motive is not pure before the SW has done 8 years so you now see it as not necessary even when you agreed power was shifted to the SW and I guess you never objected to it.

Katsumoto:

So Nzeribe just did IBB a favour by being used as a pawn to scuttle June 12? I also remember that Nzeribe served in the Senate at one point. Nzeribe made blood money in Nigeria.

I presented facts so I will advise you do same. Serving in the senate is his choice and that was to represent his people, at least 4 times since it is not possible for Westerners or Northerners to represent his people.

Are you aware that MKO visited Nzeribe in his home after the annulment?

Are you aware that MKO made it clear that he can rule without any consideration to the Igbos when asked about the position of the Igbos in his government even when Igbos voted for him?

If your answers to the 2 questions above are in the negative then I don't expect you to understand why he formed ABN.

ALMUSTAQIM:

NO. NO. NO. NO, IT SHOULD BE CLEARLY STATED THAT JESUS CHRIST (ASW) IS A PROPPHET OF ISLAM. WHOEVER DOES NOT BELIEVE HIM AS A PROPHET CANNOT BE A MUSLIM. . . SO ANY MUSLIM WILL NOT OR CAN NOT PARTAKE IN ANY ACT OR FILM CALCULATED AT DEFAMING HIM OR CHRISTAINS. MUSLIMS & CHRISTAINS ARE BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

So, it is wrong to defame Jesus Christ or Christains but right to kill Christians or burn down their churches? Can you explain this contradictory position please?

ElRazur:

If I get this right, you are saying exactly what my concerns are. I.e You want Nigeria to be one on the basis of injustice by Nigeria towards certain region or regions? If so, I am of the opinion that we cannot because of that hold together, because as it stand since the last attempt at a break away, nothing have worked.

The wrong decisions [my opinion] of the leaders of the past are not necessarily a true reflection of what the majority of the people feel. Again, we cannot hold millions of others to ransome. What has happened is now in the past and we need to move on and away from those thinking.  

You will probably get mad at this, but it needs saying, so here goes:  The Biafran in some way is a lost cause on the basis that there will never be justice for what happened. In the same breathe, it will not be a lost cause if we move on from each other and we build on something that most of us always wanted to do. After all, the perception is that most Nigerians will prefer we break up into smaller independent regions or nation.

Biafra existed between 1967 and 1970. I am not one of those that support Biafra today because to me it does not exist today based on the present balkanization of the Eastern region so I don't need to get mad about Biafra today.

However, what I detest is the constant lies by other Nigerians about what happened in the past that you conveniently want us to forget.

I respect your opinion about what you consider justice for what happened but you may never understand it fully until another group attempts to secede, that is when you will understand justice in its fullest measure.

Ibime:

One of Udenwas daughters once told me of the obscene wealth of Nzeribe in Imo State. If an Udenwa can complain about Nzeribe, then he must truly be a psychotic thief.

How can an insatiable thief like Nzeribe complain about corruption in our democracy? Thats like Hitler accusing someone else of anti-semitism. It shows how powerless we are as a people that a much despised man like Nzeribe can still speak in our Nation with impunity. In any self-respecting nation, this man would be behind bars.

Why did he not call for an end to democracy when he was in the senate? This mans bread has always been buttered by the military, so why we should we expect anything different from him?

It is obvious that the Udenwa's daughter you are talking about knows nothing about Nzeribe.

Nzeribe made his money outside Nigeria, does not get involved in government contracts and that was the reason why he compiled names of powerful Nigerians in 1999 and made it clear that we can tackle corruption if we are serious by simply matching assets to people and asking them to explain the source.

Is the man very rich? Yes. Is he one of the corrupt politicians that have looted Nigeria dry? No.

Love him or hate him I prefer people like this man at the helm of affairs as they always say things the way they are.

So, Udenwa's daughter would do well to focus on the money her father looted rather than finding it difficult to understand how Nzeribe became so rich.

ND militants were not killing innocent people in the middle of the night.

Sometimes you find it hard to understand how these people became representatives of the people even though such realization makes it easy to come to terms why you don't have any meaningful development.

ElRazur:

I get your point. As it stand and perhaps my understanding, those who fought to have a one Nigeria did it not out of true love but perhaps the gains it may be unto them.

We cannot because of bloodshed in the past remain this way, it is clear Nigeria as a whole isn't working. Yes, there are sentiments across and I feel the people of biafra or those who wanted a  break-away state of Biafra had it bad in everyway with their treatment during the war and years after the war.  It is still not a good enough reason (and I say that with all respect to those who are from the region or lost families and relatives) to hold Nigeria to a ransome of "we have to make it work because of previous bloodshed and the millions killed. Nigeria, like I said is simply not working.

Yes there will be elements that will once again oppose any break up, but if am to have my way, I am of the opinion that such elements should be given appropriate response, even if it means war.

A break up will see a more manageable nations and more accountability - something that is severely lacking and difficult to achieve as we stand as Nigeria at the moment.

Personally, I prefer break up into regions that should be allowed to progress at whatever rate they want.

However, it is not about my preference, it is about justice, truth and fair play.

Even till this day many Nigerians including the leader of the country when the civil war was fought continue to lie and mislead everyone about what happened before, during and after the war just to blame those that were being unnecessarily massacred by others.

How do you expect a meaningful progress with these lies flying around everywhere?

Yes, people will oppose and yes if need be war could break out but trust me if and when it does many Igbos may end up fighting to keep Nigeria one than breaking it up because our destiny cannot be manipulated by others whenever it suits them to do so.

Zik wanted a united Nigeria. Ironsi and Ojukwu foiled the first coup. After a 3 year old war that saw millions of people die majority of them women and children from starvation and bombs from even super powers we still have other forms of economic, political and infrastructural wars being waged against the Igbos. Yet, the Igbos are scattered all over Nigeria doing business and surviving even when Awolowo gave them 20 pounds irrespective of what they had in the bank. Others have even bought lands in PH as they lost what they had built before the war to abandoned properties project spear headed by Saro Wiwa who was trained with Eastern region money in both CIC and UNN (without crude oil money).

Now, some of you want out. Maybe that will happen after a bitter war because no one is going to get off easily this time.

The lies must be stopped. Acknowledgement of actions and deeds in place. Apologies were necessary offered. Repentance and truth will help in reconciliation.

When these are put in place then any talk about break up whether peaceful or by war would not be analysed with open mind.

Enough of the manipulations, schemings and double speak from Nigeria and Nigerians.

He cannot rule for another 4 years or better put he should not be allowed to rule for another 4 years.

To address the many injustices and complaints of marginalization be certain tribes or regions the issue of power rotation came into being and that seems to be the only workable solution at least for now.

It was this same power rotation that brought OBJ into office for 2 terms and it makes perfect sense to allow any region a possible 2 term presidency.

Unless of course, as a yoruba man you believe that now that the SW has done 8 years now is the time to abandon that arrangement. This seems like unadulterated selfishness to me and well meaning Nigerians should be able to see through this position that on the surface might seem like a progressive position but in reality is filled with insincerity.

Not so fast, there will be no break up.

I thought the rest of Nigeria fought for one Nigeria when the Biafrans moved out as a result of the senseless killings of people from the then Eastern region?

Anyone or region or tribe thinking of breaking away from Nigeria today should have a rethink because there are those that will do whatever is necessary to fight such to a standstill.

We shall swim or sink together, after all that was the message sent to even millions that were killed whether through bombs, massacres, starvation etc.

The blood of the innocent will not be shed in vain.

We must work to make Nigeria work or else,

Katsumoto:

Zik wanted to rule over a bigger nation involving Yoruba and Hausa/Fulani rather than just an Eastern Nigeria nation. It had little to do with nationalism.

You see Katsumoto, I knew it would come to this, once you find it difficult to defend your tribally motivated posts you resort to making unsubstantiated or even ridiculous allegations. Even before the events of the 66 - 70 this man has been called Zik of Africa, maybe he also wanted to become the president of Africa.

Interesting times ahead indeed on this forum.

One by one the mask is being taken off and we are beginning to see the real faces.