Obiano13:


All that nonsense will be undone. Kenyans are not foolish. The day we saw him seated like a spouse in the white house we knew they were planning to use him for nefarious purposes in Kenya and around the region.

it's done

Obiano13:


He will not get that chance. He has conceded and withdrawn the finance bill. Between now and 2027 when Kenyans vote him out of office he will have it rough. He won't do anything that Kenyans don't approve. The dictator has been culled. Now he finally knows the people have the ultimate supreme power thanks to the constitution he vehemently opposed in 2010 because he envisioned it culling his appetite for power, money, and tyranny one day. Even if he bribes all legislators the average citizens will still have their way. Doesn't matter how many billions he loots and buys politicians with.

You know he signed land deal with USA?

gallivant:


You seem okay with the status quo in Haiti, unsympathetic, butt hurt coupled with jealousy. Please take time to heal.

I got nothing to be jealous of

Anyway you'll will come to a realisation one way or the other

gallivant:


Haiti has no minerals. It's a barren place. Only Kenya cares enough for the people of Haiti. Also, those Kenyans will get paid top dollars plus allowances to fight in Haiti. This is not our first time sending soldiers overseas.

How much will they be paid?

You not sending, US is paying you like six other nations including Jamaica, Benin, Chad and Bangladesh.... I mean Bangladesh, benin, chad the caliber of countries there

By the way Haiti has Bauxite, copper, calcium carbonate, gold, and marble

gallivant:


On lease, my guy.

Lol i swear you so ignorant and naive for your own good...

Kenya called them.... The day they leave be it forced or voluntary, yall will surely feel the consequences

jl115:
You think Nicky is in the same league with his measly $9.5 bil??

You might want to read the bolded carefully and try to understand why it doesn't make sense

Vatican city, is roman empire headquarters they claim Christianity yet they move against its beliefs

jl115:
You think Nicky is in the same league with his measly $9.5 bil??

You might want to read the bolded carefully and try to understand why it doesn't make sense

Declared $9.5 bil

He's part of the larger Zi clique definitely, he operates like them, he moves like them. He funds all political parties with conditions. He manipulates media n stuff

jl115:
Chill my dude...just old Nicky

Lol just like bill gates

A group of Zionists running the world, why is even vatican city at the G7 summit? In your opinion

gallivant:


That's a special club. Malema politics is keeping you out. There will be no foreign bases in Kenya because of a few riots. Your analysis is way way off.

Lol Zelensky was also invited to the whitehouse, congress, g7, g20.... They abandoning him now

Look at everyone invited Zelesky was convinced to go into war with Russia, Ruto was convinced to send kenyans to Haiti because the us wants minerals in Haiti, so they'll use kenya as a proxy.

gallivant:


That's a special club. Malema politics is keeping you out. There will be no foreign bases in Kenya because of a few riots. Your analysis is way way off.

Nanyuki site is british
Simba camp is American

The US wanted an ally, Ruto was looking for support from US and IMF... Unfortunately IMF wanted transparency from kenya and that includes key policy changes like increasing tax on basic goods, Tax on Internet. Kenyan youth is protesting because of IMF stipulations.

It's sad you don't see it now but you will see it soon, USA is not friends of kenya

jl115:
ahhh because the Jews fund them!

Lol yes, infact its Zionist hidding behind the jew banner

Recent the biggest manipulators, propagators.... If the can manipulate/buy off congressmen in US. They can do to any country following west ideology

jl115:
DA grew by 1% Eff down by 2%

DA is at a point it was over 10 years ago

EFF hit a glass ceiling

MK won but lost

gallivant:


You have to wait for the elections to exercise your rights directly. Come back to earth please.

What's your take on the saga

Obiano13:
If your very own people reject you to the last man and the entire country rejects you to the last man, you have to be incompetent beyond comprehension. There are towns that have never been known to protest where the residents woke at 4 am to protest. And in typical African tin pot dictator fashion, Ruto will now want to fight the entire country alone despite all advise. He will even want help from the Americans as their puppet. Then in the end he will end up like a dog in a ditch. No one wants his black ass here. Its way past the talking stage. Kenyans told him for over a month to drop the bill but since he and his cronies were the biggest beneficiaries he decided to bulldoze it through parliament by giving each MP 2 million shs to vote yes. His office alone was getting billions, He even created non existent offices for his wife (office of the spouse of the president), the deputy president's office (office of the spouse of the dp), the prime cabinet secretaries spouse's office etc as conduits for corruption and funded them in every budget with hundreds of billions each year. Kenyans told the idiots such offices are unconstitutional and should not exist in the first place let alone be funded. But the nigga, in typical dictator fashion told kenyans its not their business. So an idiot like Ruto has a salary, receives money for his office to the tune of billions each budget, also receives money through his wife's office to the tune of billions. Then the niggas walk around in titanium watches, shoes, belts, and cadillacs each worth millions. They dont even have any moral bearing. They cant even hide such wanton theft from the eyes of the common man. In the last one year Ruto spent 1 Billion Kenya shillings just for furniture in statehouse. That is 7,751,937.90 United States Dollars in one year just to buy sofa sets that no one even needed. Well, ofcourse no sofa set was bought, the nigga pocketed all that money but budgeted it. Kenyans want a complete end to budgeted corruption. As much as 1/3 of this year's proposed budget of 4 Trillion Kshs was going to budgeted corruption like such. That is a whooping 8 billion USD going into Ruto's and his chronies' pockets. And we cannot question because we are his willing slaves. Nigga please. Its now way past the talking stage. He and his loyal servants the MPs can vacate the country or retire honorably and let Kenyans chart a new course devoid of such wanton theft. Even Uhuru at his worst was never this bad. Uhuru borrowed 6 Trillion kshs in 10 years and build infrastructure we can all see, from the expressway to the new SGR to Lamu Port to highways in every corner of the country. Ruto, the lord of poverty, in one year and 10 months that he has been in office has borrowed a whooping 5.2 trillion and NO ONE in Kenya can tell you what he has done. He has built no road or anything else. Instead he has reversed free education and made univerisity fess tripple because the govt 'no longer can afford'. Maternity care that used to be free he has been reversed, hospitals no longer have medicine because money has been eaten. And on top of that he wants Kenyans to pay more taxes, including for getting cancer treatment. He must be so diabolical. If I gave a complete list of Kenyans' bewilderment at this maniac's decisions you will shudder. In the next weeks if he doesnt resign he will be dragged through the streets like a dog.

You still remember the time i warned kenyans about Ruto?

I told them they should expect things to go south
Haiti story, warned them he is just aiding US neocolonilism

He's been invited to the white house, G7, now kenya announced US non NATO allie

Now kenya will be used as gateway to further destabilise the region as it has foreign military bases

But im glad the youth are waking up now

jl115:
A R30 mil swimming pool isn't a security upgrade.....Also who tf pays R30mil for a swimming pool?

Also ANC is just on the downward trajectory, each president is worse than the one before

DA AND EFF did not grow

jl115:
Why you asking me? read the article I'm pretty sure they mention it! Also you've never heard of the Brenthurst Foundation? do you even follow politics?

I only know it's funders

jl115:

Well the election results prove that over 70% of South Africans prefer a centre aligned Government not a leftist one:

Also here is the survey:
https://www.ewn.co.za/2024/06/11/most-south-africans-favour-an-anc-da-coalition-govt-survey#:~:text=JOHANNESBURG%20%2D%20A%20survey%20conducted%20by,the%20Democratic%20Alliance%20(DA).

survey conducted by a Johannesburg think tank, the Brenthurst Foundation, tf is that

What's their sample size?

Who was surveyed?

jl115:
built a nice R200 mil mansion as well with R30mil fire pool

All presidents gets security upgrades, it was what it was

Zuma is 100% bettrr than Ramaphosa

But that's not the point

jl115:
I don't care what you call it really, coalition, agreement, GNU makes no difference.

MK is a one hit wonder, mostly just people that wanted to punish the ANC and had a Zuma party to do it...bookmark this for 2029

You'll see don't worry

jl115:
surveys suggest the opposite actually, most SAns would prefer a ANC/DA coalition, it would also make sense since both DA and ANC are more centre than the PA,MK and EFF.

Also the DA supports BRICS

Which survey?

Please state your source

Obiano13:


The ANC is no longer a liberation movement but a den of thieves. The last leader the ANC had was Mbeki.

Zuma and Ramaposa are just crooks.

Zuma was our last true president... They made us believe believe he's a bad guy, they even manipulated our currency to discredit him.

He went east instead west alightment why they didn't want him, in his tenure more black dollar millionaires were created etc

Guy built 2 new universities from scratch

Obiano13:


Which party do you support? I always felt like the ANC has outlived its usefulness and now needs to be overhauled. The problem with independence parties in Africa is that they tend to wither into relics of corruption and impoverishment. In my view no independence party should last beyond 15 years. After that the narrative has completely changed and anything the party does is to suit personal interests by using old grievances of colonialism/imperialism without actually addressing current concerns or even planning for future challenges. I dont know too much about SA politics but I obviously have heard about the electricity issues and the widening economic inequality, which ofcourse has happened under ANC's watchful eye. Reminds me of Kenya's KANU, a party that ruled for 40 years and for all that time did nearly nothing to improve the lives of ordinary Kenyans beyond doing the bare minimum to sustain a functioning state.

The ANC did a lot especially for the poor

Inequality - there is no equal society, most countries western countries are in the same bracket as SA eg USA, brzil, Canada..... And main difference is in SA even if you are poor you can still survive and have a roof over your head, through state housing, free Healthcare, free education till your first degree,

In US you can't.... If your poor you are poor

Obiano13:


Which party do you support? I always felt like the ANC has outlived its usefulness and now needs to be overhauled. The problem with independence parties in Africa is that they tend to wither into relics of corruption and impoverishment. In my view no independence party should last beyond 15 years. After that the narrative has completely changed and anything the party does is to suit personal interests by using old grievances of colonialism/imperialism without actually addressing current concerns or even planning for future challenges. I dont know too much about SA politics but I obviously have heard about the electricity issues and the widening economic inequality, which ofcourse has happened under ANC's watchful eye. Reminds me of Kenya's KANU, a party that ruled for 40 years and for all that time did nearly nothing to improve the lives of ordinary Kenyans beyond doing the bare minimum to sustain a functioning state.

The electricity issue was done on purpose as ESKOM is a massive company and big business does not have a stake, they want a share in it

So they come with green initiatives, "oh we need to decommission coal plants" and allow private entities... The white elite in SA are all connected to the west, CIA, FBI, WEF, WHO, etc

Its now 3rd month without loadshedding

Obiano13:


Which party do you support? I always felt like the ANC has outlived its usefulness and now needs to be overhauled. The problem with independence parties in Africa is that they tend to wither into relics of corruption and impoverishment. In my view no independence party should last beyond 15 years. After that the narrative has completely changed and anything the party does is to suit personal interests by using old grievances of colonialism/imperialism without actually addressing current concerns or even planning for future challenges. I dont know too much about SA politics but I obviously have heard about the electricity issues and the widening economic inequality, which ofcourse has happened under ANC's watchful eye. Reminds me of Kenya's KANU, a party that ruled for 40 years and for all that time did nearly nothing to improve the lives of ordinary Kenyans beyond doing the bare minimum to sustain a functioning state.

You should remember independence was handed over, so you think the colonizer will just leave these countries without having an invincible hand.

If you don't comply with them they will make you a villain because they also own the media in most countries by fronting.

If you start doing well for your people they deal with you! The is nothing wrong with liberation movements

jl115:

The PA and MK have fundamental differences the PA is centre right leaning and the MK is 100% left leaning.....your statement doesn't make sense in this regard, why would people that voted MK have voted PA, when these parties share nothing in common?

As for the DA, it all boils down to the next 5 years, they could potentially grow a lot if they gain more control with the new GNU the ANC is suggesting and they preform well, They have also made good compromises that could mean a solid and stable ANC DA cooperation. The EFF agreement stated it will not form part of a GNU if the DA and FF is involved and the MK won't work with the ANC unless Ramaphosa steps down, this might be either a masterstroke or a death sentence to the MK EFF since that will leave a DA ANC option only and if the DA and ANC can turn SA around nobody is going to vote for those parties again.

Again its not GNU if leading party did not get more than 51% just a marriage of convinience

MK might find itself as main opposition in 2029 provided zuma is still there, people love the guy this is not a zulu nationalist thing that media is trying to make it to be.

jl115:

The PA and MK have fundamental differences the PA is centre right leaning and the MK is 100% left leaning.....your statement doesn't make sense in this regard, why would people that voted MK have voted PA, when these parties share nothing in common?

As for the DA, it all boils down to the next 5 years, they could potentially grow a lot if they gain more control with the new GNU the ANC is suggesting and they preform well, They have also made good compromises that could mean a solid and stable ANC DA cooperation. The EFF agreement stated it will not form part of a GNU if the DA and FF is involved and the MK won't work with the ANC unless Ramaphosa steps down, this might be either a masterstroke or a death sentence to the MK EFF since that will leave a DA ANC option only and if the DA and ANC can turn SA around nobody is going to vote for those parties again.

Seems like people speak on how bad nationist ideology is bad by quoting Venezuela as as example

However apartheid South Africa enriched the country with the same using state owned companies right? But now the same guys are saying privatisation because they don't benefit from them

China is biggest economy and one of fastest growing yet it has successful state companies just like apartheid government

jl115:

The PA and MK have fundamental differences the PA is centre right leaning and the MK is 100% left leaning.....your statement doesn't make sense in this regard, why would people that voted MK have voted PA, when these parties share nothing in common?

As for the DA, it all boils down to the next 5 years, they could potentially grow a lot if they gain more control with the new GNU the ANC is suggesting and they preform well, They have also made good compromises that could mean a solid and stable ANC DA cooperation. The EFF agreement stated it will not form part of a GNU if the DA and FF is involved and the MK won't work with the ANC unless Ramaphosa steps down, this might be either a masterstroke or a death sentence to the MK EFF since that will leave a DA ANC option only and if the DA and ANC can turn SA around nobody is going to vote for those parties again.

If ANC goes into bed with the DA it will be the end of ANC... Those that are in will view it as betrayal to past leaders

Reality is no one wants ANC/DA except for the big business that's funding them, voters do not want it..... Ramaphosa is not liked even by people in the ANC

Big business /Wants to have invicible hand/Big brother to watch over the country by using the DA because the afraid SA may grow by aligning with BRICS

rvp2018:
ANC might go for cheapest option - Zuma. Whose key demand is to be out of prison and maybe to have access to zulu virgin in his Nkandla. ANC likely to strike a deal with him.

Zuma is hated by big business, he made BRICS important, they don't want that.

You don't know politics by the way you think.... The big invicible hand that removes presidents, gadaffi, sankara, chris hani.....

Ramaphosa does not serve the black south african agenda that's why big business love him Ramaphosa like Ruto but one day you'll see through it

GeneralDae:

To be honest, I don’t think Ruto has been that disappointing. He’s been able to relatively stabilise the economy in the last 3 months.

You will see the true face of him, because the afford him loans and all... Give your self time to learn about it all... Eventually you'll come to a realisation

GeneralDae:

Isn’t DA the pro western party?

It is.... Pro west is all about keeping the status quo... Ceretis paribus

Party condoning israel actions in palestine,

jl115:
This was my prediction almost a 2 years ago....

How it's panning out:

ANC:42%
DA: 25%
EFF: 9%
MK:9%
PA: 3.5%
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ActionSA 1%

Things i didn't expect then: Formation of the MK which has taken votes from the EFF and and obviously a vast chunk of ANC votes, the PA that has grown tremendously, they had a great campaign and their leader Gayton McKenzie must be applauded, they have also certainly taken a chunk of ASA votes and DA colored votes .....ASA being a fart in the wind, there campaigning for these elections as been non existent, in fighting has also greatly damaged the party.

Things that are surprising me:
DA @ 25% although i predicted this then the actual PR of the DA is brain dead and personally i thought they wouldn't get more than 22%

MK taking 3rd spot, I knew Zuma was popular but dammmm....

EFF I honestly thought would've done better, not by much but better, they have certainly been hurt by the MK

ANC:40%
DA: 21%
EFF: 9%
MK: 14%
PA: 2.%
IFP: 3.8%
VF plus:1%
ACTIONSA: 1%


ONLY WINNER here is MK of zuma.. DA has reached the glass ceiling, its only going down from here a lot of truths coming out.

If MK was not there PA would have been around 7%along with ACTIONSA, DA will never grow in SA

Baller254:

still mad about the elections ?

Kenyans will wake up when its too late