mzilakazi:



That notion exist only in your own crazy mind. South Africa has the largest and biggest defence industry. Why can't you just accept the truth for once?

africaken:
what is going on in somalia !

Al-Shabab retakes key Somalia port city of Merca


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35502016

Henry240:


Patches, do you guys in South-Africa even know what an IPV is at all?


This was what heitman was complaining about months back. Your Navy ends up buying boats which cannot go offshore to sea and simply cannot patrol inshore. More or less a waste and a Turkey.


The average length of an IPV is 25m. Look at the shadlags, NNS Dorina, Andoni class, Burutu. Class, Ocea class. All designed to effectively carry out littoral warfare.

Patchesagain:


More or less an MPV with IPV characteristics.

Patchesagain:


Little speed boats like the Shaldag are useless in our vast and rough waters!

Patchesagain:


Egypt builds abrams tanks?

Patchesagain:


IPV to be a minimum length of 50m armed with 30mm cannon
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6141:navy-needs-survey-ship-pvs-by-2015-&catid=51:Sea&Itemid=106

Towed sonar array tested for Biro as well as VTOL drone testing has been well documented in this thread and the other one.

Why would we come to you to look at speed boats?

Patchesagain:


8 vessels equals half the fleet

Project Biro was not set into motion by them... or else we would have got them in 1998

Where did Heitman say we have no money? Does Heitman work for the Navy or Treasury?

NNS Okpabana is obsolete in every sense of the term

Half our fleet is obsolete because it is old, and is being replaced.

Do you want me to list the obsolete vessels of your fleet? ok!

NNS Aradu (F89) -obsolete
NNS Thunder (F90) -obsolete
NNS Andoni (P100) -obsolete
NNS Ekpe (P178) -obsolete
NNS Damisa (P179) -obsolete
NNS Agu (P180) -obsolete
NNS Siri (P181) -obsolete
NNS Ayam (P182) -obsolete
NNS Ekun (P183) -obsolete
NNS Burutu (P174) -obsolete
NNS Zaria (P173) -obsolete
NNS Kyanwa (A 501) -obsolete
NNS Ologbo (A 502) -obsolete
NNS Nwamba (A 503) -obsolete
NNS Obula (A 504) -obsolete
NNS Ohue (M371) -obsolete
NNS Barama (M372) -obsolete
NNS Ambe (LST1312) -obsolete

henry, why is 90% of your fleet obsolete? Why is 50% of that non-operational?

jln115:


LinkZA,Chaka C2,Valours,Heroines,Badger,Umkhonto,A-Darter,Gripen,Hawk,Rooivalk,Rooikat,G6,G5,Batuluer,Seeker400,EW suits ect ect ect

Largest Defence industry in Africa, and one of the Largest in the world.

Patchesagain:


Cubans are cheaper than private sector

Patchesagain:


lol, maybe in Nigeria an IPV is a speed boat

Not in RSA - ours will be 50-60m with a 30mm cannon, VTOL-UAV's and dragged sonar array... you got anything like that?

No?

Ok

Patchesagain:


So thats what you are going to do?

You called me a liar

When I told you the info had been posted again you called me a liar again

When you realized I had posted it before you quickly changed topics.

Apologize faggit

Patchesagain:


Why did SAAB buy Grintek? For fun?

Patchesagain:


Nigeria bough 100 speed boats

India bypassed us? Really? So is that why we are on our way to India and China for exercises and you are not?

Henry240:


Inside NNS Okpabana

Patchesagain:


Project Biro seeks 3 IPV's and 3 OPV's as well as 1 Survey vessel.

Thiza:
SOUTH AFRICAN PRIVATE MILITARY COMPANIES

THALES
COMPANY PROFILE
AMD is the Aerospace, Maritime and Defence Industries Association of South Africa. Its primary objectives are the representation of the industry in matters of mutual interest, and the promotion of a profitable, sustainable and responsible industry. The association is acknowledged as the only trade association of South Africa's defence industry (SADI), and is mandated by its members to promote and champion the collective interests of the industry. It comprises a cluster of leading companies in the South African private and public sector that supply defence materiel, products and services.
http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjQv9e11N3KAhUH6xoKHdLhCKUQFggaMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amd.org.za%2Fdirectory%2Fcompany%2F69%2FThales_South_Africa_Systems_(Pty)_Ltd.jma&usg=AFQjCNFaTxjv3DvBC4R5hlkrwBIjvSHP5w

ZEBRA ARMOUR

COMPANY PROFILE
South Africa has a first world infrastructure with skilled labor and high quality suppliers of raw materials used in the ballistic and body armour industry.The directors of the company have over 20 years of experience in the body armour business. Our strength lies in the engineering and development of efficient production processes resulting in highest quality products at very competitive prices. Due to our investment into high-Tec plant and the expertise of our research team, our weight /performance ratios beat other manufacturers.

http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj1mpie1d3KAhUBUhoKHd2SBwAQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zebraarmour.com%2F&usg=AFQjCNEwVth5ffHaj61SkiyuOw1mhfo9cQ

Henry240:
50% of SA navy vessels obsolete


Buhaahahahahaha


CC : Patches689, Agaugust, Iblawi, Jln115


Analysis:Sliding rand has serious implications for SANDF

Written by Helmoed Heitman, Wednesday, 03 February 2016


The steady slide in the value of the Rand since 2011 holds serious implications for the Defence Force, with the dramatic slide in December serving to underscore that. That recent slide may yet be reversed in the near term, but the longer-term trend will be more difficult to reverse.
The obvious risk is to equipment projects, and that faces the Defence Force with challenges it will find difficult to overcome. Government’s foot-dragging over equipment projects since the ‘Strategic Defence Packages’ has left the Defence Force very patchily-equipped: It has some modern equipment courtesy of those packages (frigates, submarines, Gripen, Hawk, Lynx) and 1990s projects (Rooikat, G6, Rooivalk, Oryx), and the is Badger entering production, but much else is obsolescent at best (Olifant, Casspir, Mamba, Samil, C-130) or totally obsolete (Dakota).

There are also critical capability gaps: The Navy has too few ships and half are obsolete; there are no maritime patrol aircraft; and the Army lacks real air defence capability. Assuming South Africa intends to play a regional role, there are also the lack of heavy/long-range airlift, tanker aircraft and sealift to consider.

Less obvious is the challenge of more expensive spare parts, which will limit the ability to keep existing equipment operational and hamper training. Even less obvious is the indirect impact of the sliding Rand, which will hit the economy and thus government revenue and the national budget.

Unless funds are reprogrammed from under-performing ministries to defence - hardly likely - there is little likelihood of even a small increase in defence funding.


If the Rand does not recover from its present parlous state against the major currencies, there is little chance of satisfying equipment requirements, and a budget that continues to limp along just below inflation will be fatal to efforts to implement the Defence Review, even those aspects that do not involve new equipment. And failure to at least begin implementation will see a rapid decline in capability.

Patchesagain:


South Africa built a tank. We built a MBT

jln115:

Dude just shutup....Drakensberg is the largest ship ever built in Africa.

Patchesagain:


been posted before

Stop wasting my time.

Patchesagain:


We use cubans because they are cheaper than local mechanics

Patchesagain:


1. So says we import all engines?

Patchesagain:


1. Citation for Niger dock

Patchesagain:


SAAB BOUGHT GRINTEK BECAUSE SAAB WANTED SOUTH AFRICAN TECHNOLOGY

jln115:

SA : Most technologically advanced and Self sustainable Force in Africa.

DieVluit:


How is this better? It's backwardness. This is basically a large, dusty shack that you are working from!

Patchesagain:


And yet we spend X3 that Nigeria does

DieVluit:


So pathetic that they haven't even thought of withdrawing it if you will work in a workspace like what I posted.

Patchesagain:


You produce lots because they are simple machines.

Why are you telling us about tracked vehicles that were built in your country by europeans and that is no longer manufacturing??

Patchesagain:


lol - SAS Drakensburg is 12,000t

SAAB-Grintek has BEE Level 3, which is the highest BEE rating

mzilakazi:



Nope, 100 of those companies are big and produce equipments for our private security, police and military.


http://www.amd.org.za/