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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 4:44am On May 04, 2015
bigfrancis21:


There is problem with this claim because actual figures on yoruba slaves sold actually say the opposite.

Don't be deceived by the number of ifa worshippers to believe that every single one of them is yoruba-descended. Ifa is a religion to these people, and many people join the religion to reconnect culturally back to mama africa.

When you research it more you are going to see that it is not even close. Yoruba people taken as slaves out number Igbo by a great number. As an African American that is one of the things that I learned early on in my research; because it is known in this Hemisphere that the Yoruban were numerous in South America. In fact there are far more Yoruba people in South America than are Igbo and Akan descended people in North America. We can agree to disagree, but when you do more research your eyes are going to be opened. It is a really sad subject anyway, because Igbo and Yoruba people were completely mistreated by our own people. Sad stuff.
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 4:24am On May 04, 2015
bigfrancis21:


I doubt the 2 million figure that you mentioned. Please provide links that support this.

You gave the figure of 1.4 million for Igbos which seems like a number that I have seen around. The article list 3.5 million, so subtracting away that 1.4 million leaves 2.1 million Yoruba.

Nether one of us know the real numbers, but both groups were decimated by their own ethnic groups. What is stunning is that Yoruba for the most part didn't enslave Igbo and Igbo didn't enslave Yoruba. Both Igbo and Yoruba were betrayed by their own people.
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 4:19am On May 04, 2015
bigfrancis21:


That is untrue. You failed to understand what the article wrote. Here is an excerpt from the link you quoted:



Most of the slaves after the abolition of the british slave trade happened to be yorubas. That is, Yorubas were sold more in slavery after abolishment of the slave trade than during the peak of the slave trade itself. We begin to find more Yoruba presence in the slave trade in the 19th century than 16th, 17th and 18th centuries put together. I mentioned earlier that yorubas had appeared more in the slave trade during its latter half and towards the end of the british slave trade, which explains the survival of yoruba religions in the americas and their origins fresh in their memories. They arrived decades after other tribes had been shifted to the new world and lost touch with their african cultures.

Figures below show the total amount of yorubas shipped after the abolishment of the british slave trade, when we begin to notice a substantial yoruba presence in the slave trade. Notice the given figure of 500,000. Compare this with the Igbo figure of about 1.4 million, spanning from the 16th to 18th centuries.

I am not sure that we are even discussing the same point at this point, but slavery is slavery and there were clearly more Yoruba people were placed in it than Igbo. I don't even think that the point is debatable, because it is pretty clear by looking at the size of the populations in the Americas. Btw, in my initial post to your statement I listed that the people of Angola/Congo were the hardest hit group and then the Yoruba people. I don't understand why you are disputing that. You seemed to be focused on where the people were shipped from rather than what ethnic group they were in. Fwiw, most slaves walked along way to the slave ports, so just because they were shipped from a place does not mean that they were from that place. The Igbos are unique in many respects, because we know who enslaved them. The Yoruba people were enslaved a little differently.
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 3:57am On May 04, 2015
bigfrancis21:


No bro. The Bight of Benin region was the second largest group in number exported, followed by the bight of biafra coming third. Now if you take a look at the figures of the individual tribes taken from the bight of benin, over 10 different tribes were sold ouut of the bight of benin, not just the yorubas. Akan people, a significant number in the slave trade, came from that region. Also, the Ewe, the Fon, Barba, Nupes etc. The yorubas are estimated to be 26.3% of all slaves coming from that region. The total individual figures of tens of tribes sold from bight of benin made the total figure coming from bight of benin high. Compare this scenario with Bight of Biafra where very few major tribes were taken(Igbo, Ibibio, Ijaw) and Igbos were the overwhelming majority. Comparing individual tribal figures, not by bights, the Igbo figure trumps that of the Yorubas.

For example, below is a list of bights and ethnicities taken from each bight in Saint Dominigue. While bight of benin recorded a higher contribution figure due to more tribes taken from its region than the bight of biafra, individually Igbos were more in number than Yorubas.

[img]http://2.bp..com/-oVkhX8gNYOo/ULcgzOy_eOI/AAAAAAAAfxU/q5DVtrI0t6g/s1600/African+ethnic+origins+saint+domingue.png[/img]

Notice that slaves from the congo and angola region were the highest in number, consistent with records that show that the angola-congo region produced the highest number of slaves if you look at it holistically. Coming next in line is the bight of benin, a stretch from south western nigeria all the way to ghana - spanning over 4 different countries, with so tens of tribes coming from that region. Third highest in total regional contribution is the bight of biafra, with slaves coming mostly from Nigeria (Igboland, Ibibio Land and Ijaw Land) and some from Cameroun, with the Igbos being the overwhelming majority.

No bro. Here it is. They did a study on it. Most of the slaves out of Nigeria were Yoruba.

"Nigeria kept its important position in the slave trade throughout the great expansion of the transatlantic trade after the middle of the seventeenth century. Slightly more slaves came from the Nigerian coast than from Angola in the eighteenth century, while in the nineteenth century perhaps 30 percent of all slaves sent across the Atlantic came from Nigeria. Over the period of the whole trade, more than 3.5 million slaves were shipped from Nigeria to the Americas. Most of these slaves were Igbo and Yoruba, with significant concentrations of Hausa, Ibibio, and other ethnic groups. In the eighteenth century, two polities--Oyo and the Aro confederacy--were responsible for most of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro confederacy continued to export slaves through the 1830s, but most slaves in the nineteenth century were a product of the Yoruba civil wars that followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s."

http://countrystudies.us/nigeria/7.htm

The Igbo were mostly enslaved by the Aro Confederacy. The Yoruba were enslaved by the Oyo and then during the Yoruba civil war that followed the collapse of Oyo. Your research just showed the area that the slaves were shipped from, my study actually looked at the peoples enslaved. Your figures of 1.4 Igbo being enslaved sounds about right. Figures I have seen for the Yoruba was much higher; some in the range of 2 millions others well above 3+ millions. It stands to reason, because South America has many more black people than North America.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 3:40am On May 04, 2015
bigfrancis21:


You can't be so sure about that. The spread of yoruba-derived religions deceive people to mean that the yoruba population must have been substantial, however, the total number of yorubas sold in slavery were not that many. Remember that the yorubas came from the bight of benin, and slaves sold from this bight included ewes (evegbe), fon, akan, adja, yorubas, etc, thus in actuality, [b]the percentage of yorubas out of the numbers sold from bight of benin is quite small. [/b]More Akan people from Ghana were sold into slavery than the Yorubas. Not to forget hunderds of yorubas that later returned back to africa and settled in Nigeria and Sierra Leone, thus reducing the surviving population further in the new world. Now compare the yoruba figure with bight of biafra where only a few tribes were sold out from and the Igbos were the overwhelming majority. It is estimated that about 1.4 million Igbos were sold into slavery.



I don't think that that is true. I think that the Yoruba people were the largest group slaves next to the Bantu people from Angola and the Congo. I think that the Igbo people were the third largest group and the Akan 4th. I will look up the stats on that just to be sure, but there was a reason why the slaves were chosen to go to different places.

EDIT: Just as I thought. Yoruba people made up most of the slaves. The earlier figure of about 1.4 million for Igbo was about right. The Yoruba was 2 million or more, which makes sense when considering that there are more black people in South America than there are in North America.

"Nigeria kept its important position in the slave trade throughout the great expansion of the transatlantic trade after the middle of the seventeenth century. Slightly more slaves came from the Nigerian coast than from Angola in the eighteenth century, while in the nineteenth century perhaps 30 percent of all slaves sent across the Atlantic came from Nigeria. Over the period of the whole trade, more than 3.5 million slaves were shipped from Nigeria to the Americas. Most of these slaves were Igbo and Yoruba, with significant concentrations of Hausa, Ibibio, and other ethnic groups. In the eighteenth century, two polities--Oyo and the Aro confederacy--were responsible for most of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro confederacy continued to export slaves through the 1830s, but most slaves in the nineteenth century were a product of the Yoruba civil wars that followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s."




http://countrystudies.us/nigeria/7.htm
http://www.soundjunction.org/whereslavescamefrom.aspa

As an aside here is why the Igbos wouldn't have been the largest group enslaved:

"American plantations were dwarfed by those in the West Indies. About a quarter of U.S. slaves lived on farms with 15 or fewer slaves. In 1850, just 125 plantations had over 250 slaves."


http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/slavery-and-anti-slavery/resources/facts-about-slave-trade-and-slavery
http://www.academia.edu/1221155/Slavery_Identity_and_Ethnicity_An_Examination_of_the_Social_Contour_of_the_Yoruba_in_Africa_and_in_the_Diaspora
http://yorubanation.net/atlantic-yoruba-and-the-expanding-frontiers-of-yoruba-culture-and-politics/

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 3:06am On May 04, 2015
sukkot:
you dont know what you are talking about. all slave rebellions is documented history. europeans document everything

Still no documentation from you. I have produced documents for you, now you need to produce some documents or else you are a clown.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 3:01am On May 04, 2015
sukkot:
you are speaking rubbish. the ffirst slave holding state in the 13 union country only wanted igbo slaves because they were subservient not because they were rebellious. it is documented virginia history

Produce the documentation.

We are waiting.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 3:00am On May 04, 2015
sukkot:
sukkot:
listen, even if i give her 20 rebellions which there were not up to 20. even at 20 that is one rebellion every 15 years. are you starting to get perspective on this 250 year slave saga ?

Another gem from you. You should spend sometime reading and less time responding with simple minded replies. There were constant rebellions in the USA. Most were small rebellions, because slaves were kept on smaller farms in the USA. You are reading about the bigger rebellions that most writers of the day covered. Not only that but the Northern States in the USA ended slavery in their region long before it was abolished in the rest of the USA during the Civil war, so Northern black people had no need to rebel. Read more. Write less in the future.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:54am On May 04, 2015
sukkot:
like i said, i have been battling and fielding questions from you biafrans for the past 2 hours with no space to search comprehensively. i will have it up when i log off nairaland. only then can i do a comprehensive search. understood mi amigos ?

So basically you don't know what you are talking about? Which is what was stated earlier, but instead of admitting that you don't know anything about the topic in which you have decided to engage you just write dumb stuff.

One other thing; the slavers/planters in Haiti and Jamaica did live on their island. They were outnumbered by the slaves and they just assumed that the slaves were docile and wouldn't overtake them. That is why Akan and Igbo slaves were shipped to the USA and kept on small farms rather than on larger open plantations were they had freedom of movement.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:50am On May 04, 2015
Phut:


Shifting the goal post now are we?

Weren't you crowing over the "fact" that you thought there were only 2?

That is because Sukkot doesn't know anything that he is writing about. He is a clown.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:46am On May 04, 2015
sukkot:
only 10 in north america ?

There were more than 10 rebellions in the USA; we listed the big ones for ease of reading. Most rebellions in the USA were small, because the slaves lived on small farms rather than on large plantations like in the Caribbean and South America.

You don't know what you are talking about. Where are your links to all of the simpleton stuff that you have been writing?

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:45am On May 04, 2015
Phut:


1526 San Miguel de Gualdape
(Sapelo Island, Georgia, Victorious)
c. 1570 Gaspar Yanga's Revolt
(Veracruz, Victorious)
1712 New York Slave Revolt
(New York City, Suppressed)
1733 St. John Slave Revolt
(Saint John, Suppressed)
1739 Stono Rebellion
(South Carolina, Suppressed)
1741 New York Conspiracy
(New York City, Suppressed)
1760 Tacky's War
(Jamaica, Suppressed)
1791–1804 Haitian Revolution
(Saint-Domingue, Victorious)
1800 Gabriel Prosser
(Virginia, Suppressed)
1803 Igbo Landing
(St. Simons Island, Georgia, Suppressed)
1805 Chatham Manor
(Virginia, Suppressed)
1811 German Coast Uprising
(Territory of Orleans, Suppressed)
1815 George Boxley
(Virginia, Suppressed)
1816 Bussa's Rebellion
(Barbados, Suppressed)
1822 Denmark Vesey
(South Carolina, Suppressed)
1831 Nat Turner's rebellion
(Virginia, Suppressed)
1831–1832 Baptist War
(Jamaica, Suppressed)
1839 Amistad, ship rebellion
(Off the Cuban coast, Victorious)
1841 Creole case, ship rebellion
(Off the Southern U.S. coast, Victorious)
1842 Slave Revolt in the Cherokee Nation
(Southern U.S., Suppressed)
1859 John Brown's Raid
(Virginia, Suppressed)

Here is a list of slave rebellions. At least 10 of them were in North America. And 250 years is no where near 13 generation when a generation is roughly 30 years.


The link that I provided to him had at least 12-15 rebellions in the USA listed. The troll didn't even open the links.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:39am On May 04, 2015
babyosisi:


Please where is this person from?

Trollville.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:38am On May 04, 2015
[quote author=sukkot post=33395657][/quote]

Show some links or you are just a clown.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:37am On May 04, 2015
sukkot:
the reason you can only provide a few links is because the slave rebellions were rare. keep in mind slavery went on for like 250 plus years. think about that for a minute. 250 years. thats about 13 generations. and you can only provide a link or two of slave rebellions. what that tell you ? it was rare

Like I said before; you are really dumb. You haven't provided any links to anything that you have written. You are just a clown. Show me some links to any of the crap that you have been writing or I am just going to see you as a fool. I have provided link after to link to rebellion after rebellion in the USA. You have showed me nothing. Troll somewhere else.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:30am On May 04, 2015
sukkot:
the rebellions in the USA were very few and far between. the reason why the slave rebellions made history in USA is because they were very few. and if they happened it made the world papers. and the two rebellions in question are the nat turner rebellion and the gabriel prosser rebellion. of course we had the slave rebellion led by the white man named JOHN BROWN that failed in virginia

You don't know what you are talking about. There were lots so slave rebellions in the USA; some were very large and some were very small. The White man learned how to put them down after learning of the revolt in Haiti. I noticed that a lot of unread people never knew about the revolts, because that fits the narrative of a lot of dumb people that think that that African people never had a history. Here are some rebellions for your review.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/did-african-american-slaves-rebel/
http://listverse.com/2013/10/19/10-incredible-slave-rebellions/
http://www.johnhorse.com/highlights/essays/largest.htm

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:22am On May 04, 2015
OneNaira6:


No it was wolof. Wolof were the most rebellious, followed by Akan then Igbo and finally Angolan clans

I can't speak much to the Wolofs, because I am having a hard time remembering my readings on where they were taken during the slave trade. But I believe you, because I remember reading that they and the Mande people made White people very nervous. I agree with you about the Angolans as well. Btw, here is a listing of the top 5 rebellions in USA history. The Angolans are mentioned and I remember that the USA had some Angolans here as well. I think that the Angolans were brough into Louisiana after the USA purchased the Louisiana territory from France. I am not sure about that though.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/did-african-american-slaves-rebel/
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:15am On May 04, 2015
sukkot:
Listen, it was easy for slaves to be rebellious in haiti or jamaica or other carribean island because the slaves outnumbered the whites by like 50 to 1. caucasians in charge of slaves in those islands did not live in those islands. they were drafted to those islands to go be in charge of the slaves. these caucasians had their permanent homes in europe but came on a rota basis from their governments to come guard the slaves and the plantations. so it was very easy to be rebellious in haiti and the carribeans. its easy to be rebellious when you outnumber the cracker by 50 to 1 . now in the USA, the slaves were outnumbered by whites and were brutally dealt with so those same akan slaves and igbo slaves who were rebellious in the islands were very subservient in USA.

Black people in America were really rebellious. They constantly had rebellions going and they were in the minority of the population. They poisoned slavers and faced them in armed rebellion year after year which is why white people act with acts of barbarism when dealing with Black Americans. White people lived in constant fear of Black people during slavery; so much so that they refused to let black people play drums, speak their native languages or practice any religion other than Christianity and then the only thing that could be preached about Christianity is peace. love and forgiveness. That is the reason that African Americans have nonviolent movements political movements to this very day. Meanwhile the White man can be as violent as he wants to be.

Btw, slave rebellions were also the reason that Akans and Igbos were in the USA to begin with. The Europeans wanted those two groups on small farms in the USA as much as possible, rather than on the large plantations in the Caribbean and South America. The Europeans thought that they could control the rebellions much better if the slaves were isolated on the smaller farms. It would have been tougher on the large plantations with more slaves. They also didn't give the slaves freedom of movement or teach them to read in the USA.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 1:38am On May 04, 2015
sukkot:
i have not read it in a year or two. i have to search for it. but rest assured before the topic leaves frontpage i would have found it. see, i am what is called, A HISTORIAN by hobby. my specialty is the trans-atlantic slave trade and the plight of negros in the americas

It is my hobby too. I can save you a lot of time and tell you right now that the Akan people were by far the most rebellious slaves. The second most rebellious group were the Igbos. Those two groups overthrew the slavers in in Haiti and Jamaica. The slavers in South Carolina and Georgia didn't want anymore Igbo slaves, because they constantly rebelled and worst yet committed suicide. One of the scariest slave to have was an Akan. Nat Turner in the US was of Akan descent and possibly even Igbo due to his being from Virginia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Turner

Fwiw, you know that Yoruba people were not that rebellious as compared to Igbo people for a lot of reasons. Mainly, because slavery ended in the USA in 1865 after a prolonged brutal bloody civil war that the slaves participated within. Slavery didn't end in Brazil until 1888, which was 23 years after slavery ended in the USA. The crazy part about it is that the slaves in the USA were in the minority of the population; they have never been the majority. The black people in Brazil have always been in the majority of the population until just recent years.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 1:27am On May 04, 2015
sukkot:
exactly bro , but to let these biafrans ( igbo ) tell it, the whole haiti is igbo . lmao. these biafrans like making erroneous claims to the unenlightened but when i am around i have to correct all these erroneous lies cheesy

I am mostly Igbo and Akan DNA. In countries where the slaves were taken the Europeans forced them to intermarry, most black people in the West are mixed ethnically. It is not just Igbo, but most English speaking black people are descended from Akan and Igbo folks.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 1:23am On May 04, 2015
MeandSum:
so 300 years ago they were call Ibo, where did Igbo come from then? smiley

Don't know, but I would guess that it is probably from the English. The English may have also put the extra "g" in the word Niger to make it the racial slur.
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 1:19am On May 04, 2015
OneNaira6:


If you ever lived in the creole population you'll realize they never deemed themselves yoruba. Most of Haitians believed their ancestors migrated from igbo people or they are mixed of igbo tribe and non african community hence they have a town specially named after igbo and even created a song they called ibo lele supposedly it was a spiritual music from their ancestors that became mainstream when one of their musician did a video of it. The Haitian actually have never believed they are of Yoruba descendant. To be honest, they are peatically right. Most yoruba slaves and other west African nations were sent to Portuguese and Spanish speaking caribbean nations while the bight of Biafra, Asanti, and southern african tribes were sent to America and English speaking caribbean nation.

The reason yoruba religion survived more so than others is Yoruba slaves were the last tribe to arrive in the Spanish nations so alot of their ppl tried to incorporate their religion to the forced religion in other not to lose themselves. The other tribes such as the wolf, etc whom were also send to Spanish speaking Carib nations that long lost everything about themselves equally learned the yoruba ppl new region. The same with the Haitian grpup, they lost their culture even though they did tried to maintain their culture as well afterall Haiti had the longest revolution out all caribbean nations, But sadly, since Haiti whites were the most brutal, they lost majority of their culture and during revolution the Haitians adopted the fastest growing african religion at that time in other to try and maintain their African culture. Till this day, Haitians were the only slaves that all they could to maintain as much connection to Africa. I'm actually very prix of those ppl despite their poverty. They fought the hardest and tried to rebuild their african connection the hardest.

As for Virginia, most of the slaves sent to virginia came from bright of Biafra so this isn't much of a surprised. NC, SC and VAhad the highest number of bight of Biafra slaves sent.

Don't forget Haiti shares Hispaniola with the Dominican Republic, so some Haitians could very well be Yoruba, because the Dominicans likely were. The Haitians were also likely Akan people from the Ivory Coast and Ghana as well.
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 1:05am On May 04, 2015
sukkot:
must be why haiti is so forked up then grin

Another brilliant remark from you. Haitians are not just Igbo, they were also Akans, Yoruba and Mande people too. Don't forget that Haiti is a part of Hispanola with the Dominican Republic.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 12:43am On May 04, 2015
sukkot:
must be why jamaica is full of crime. thanks for clearing that mystery up for me. cheesy

How can a guy in Nigeria make a statement like that about Jamaica? The white man is the criminal, but he tries to pretend that he is law abiding and that black people are criminals. Hell the white man even calls Nigerians criminals, but the white man never says what crimes he has helped the Nigerians commit.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 12:15am On May 04, 2015
chibecanglobal:
Continue to advertize your ignorance.
Do not make any attempt to better your situation.

Actually, there are probably more Yoruba people that are slaves than Igbo people; because there are a lot more black people in Brazil than there are black people in the USA. There are only about 45-50 million African Americans. There maybe over 100 million African Brazilians, some of them are called black and others are called Pardo. So that means that the Yoruba people were twice as gullible as Igbo people.

http://www.city-data.com/knowledge/Pardo.html

http://en.mercopress.com/2009/04/25/black-population-becomes-the-majority-in-brazil

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 12:00am On May 04, 2015
bigfrancis21:


Yea, Santeria is practised in brazil and cuba and the yoruba-derived religions have spread to other regions in latin america, not originally there before. The ifa priests in these yoruba-derived religions take classes to learn to read the divination recitals in proper yoruba to some level of fluency. Asides the recitals in a little bit off-accent yoruba by the native portuguese or spanish speaking ifa priests, there is no evidence anywhere of native latin americans speaking yoruba at home or as second language just as you would have in it Nigeria.

I don't see evidence anywhere of the quilombos speaking a bantu language in brazil. They are an african derived group as has been established. But the survival of their original language till today is what needs to be proved.

There is no evidence that African Americans speak Igbo or Akan languages, but that does not mean that they are not descended mostly from Igbo and Akan people; because we know that they are. Btw, Jamaicans were aware of their African ethnicity long before most African Americans; because it was illegal for African Americans to keep the customs or speak the language of the Igbos and Akan people in America. However, African Americans still kept up with a lot of their Igbo customs by growing stuff like okra, corn and yams, which we call sweet potatoes. Many African Americans in the Southern USA used to live on small family plots near their families and they kept small gardens behind their homes were they grew those crops; hell when I go to visit my family in rural Tennessee right now I notice that all of my family members live in a direct line and they all have small gardens wherein they grow okra, corn and sweet potatoes. I live in the City of Chicago, but my family has been in Tennessee, North Carolina and Virginia for a few hundred years.

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 11:36pm On May 03, 2015
Ugwuoke347:
That "Jonkonnu" could be a corruption of Ojionu; I mean OJIONU masquerade. Go back to Mbido I
ezeagu post=33392585:

So why did a museum in Virginia specifically build an Igbo village becasue:
"Nearly 40% of the Africans imported into Virginia during this time were brought from a part of the West African coast called the Bight of Biafra. Many of these captives were Igbo, a people living in the upland area north of the Bight of Biafra in what is now the nation of Nigeria. The West African Farm represents life in a free Igbo household in the Biafran hinterlands in the 1700s."
http://www.frontiermuseum.org/exhibits/1700s-west-africa/
gbo text books and see the drawing of the OJIONU masquerade.

There is also Igbo landing in Georgia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_Landing

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 11:30pm On May 03, 2015
bigfrancis21:


Nice expose. Just to correct an anomaly. Yoruba language is not spoken anywhere in the carribean or latin america. If you are referring to ritual recitals done in half-baked yoruba by ifa priests during divination, yes in that sense yoruba is used as language of recital, however, it is not spoken as first or second language by anyone in latin america. When ifa worshippers go home, Spanish/Portuguese still remains their language of communication at home.

It is only on nairaland that you hear irrelevant claims such as 'yoruba is spoken in latin america'. Just as Igbo isn't spoken neither anywhere in the carribean.

Again. It has to be said. That it is common knowledge where the slaves came from. There are some Yoruba that ended up in the USA and there were some Igbos that ended up in Brazil, but Brazil and other Caribbean, Central and South American destinations is by and large where most Yoruba people ended up. They still practicing Santeria in Brazil and Cuba right now.

http://www.powerfulsanteriaspells.com/what-is-santeria.html

Btw, I realize that Portuguese is the official language, but some of the Africans especially some of the Bantu people still speak their languages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilombo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimbundu

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 11:09pm On May 03, 2015
TheReborn:
Most slaves were taken from Barbados than shipped from Africa. So where did our Igbo tribal jingoist get their '70%' from?

http://www.virginiaplaces.org/population/slaveorigin.html

Some sources claim Mozambique as having the highest number of slaves in Virginia, next from Nigeria. Some say Angola.

In Julie Dash's 'Daughters of the Dust', one could see more slaves from other African countries than Igbos. Igbos were not even popular among slave owners in Virginia because they refused to face the grim reality of slavery, wilfully dying in some cases to avoid slavery.

That is not true. There were some that were brought to the USA from the Caribbean, but most were landed in Maryland or Virginia. You have to know the history of the USA in knowing that those 2 states were two of the original 13 colonies, but all of the American colonies originally had slavery. Slaves were typically landed in Annapolis Maryland and sold in the slave markets of Baltimore. Other were sold in the slave markets in Virginia or New York (btw, Wall Street in New York City started as a slave market selling Africans).

http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/intromsa/pdf/slavery_pamphlet.pdf
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/6762/
http://www.nathanielturner.com/baltimoreslavemarkets.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/18/AR2010021801675.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-singer/wall-street-was-a-slave-m_b_1208536.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-plans-memorial-wall-street-slave-market-1700s-article-1.2187091

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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 10:52pm On May 03, 2015
tobtap:
only peeps with INFERIORITY COMPLEX will claim the 75% of the entire slaves in another place,yet no visible proof thru(CULTURE, LANGUAGE AND CUISINE ) to back up their claims.
my candid opinion

I am an African American and it is pretty common knowledge that most African Americans and people from the Jamaica, Virgin Islands and other English Speaking Islands in the Caribbean are descended mostly from Igbo people and the Akan people of modern day Ghana and the Ivory Coast. DNA testing is now bearing that out. Even with recent immigration into the USA by other African ethnic groups; at least 60% of all African Americans whose ancestors were slaves can still trace their ancestry back to the Igbos. Most Yoruba people, Angolans and people from the Congo taken in the slave trade went to places like Cuba, Haiti, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Venezuela and Brazil; went to other South American and Caribbean Island. We know these things because in most of those places those people still practice their religions and some even still speak the language and keep up with the Culture.

Also the reason some people out of certain African regions were chosen to go to certain regions in the Americas was because of their knowledge of crops. The Europeans had studied Africans and the Europeans knew that in the new World there certain areas that were like the lands in Africa. Some they picked certain Africans to enslave in certain places because of those Africans has knowledge of crops like rice, corn (maize), which is why the Gullah people were imported into States like Georgia and South Carolina.

http://www.driskellcenter.umd.edu/programs/2003-2004/colloq/hall/igbo.pdf
http://www.ibopeople.com/history/igbo-history/origin-of-igbo-of-nigeria
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/igbokwenu/2009/09/19/the-igbo-ancestry-of-black-america-the-carribean
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_the_Atlantic_slave_trade
http://abolition.nypl.org/essays/us_slave_trade/5/
http://www.yale.edu/glc/gullah/02.htm

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