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Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 4:44am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: When you research it more you are going to see that it is not even close. Yoruba people taken as slaves out number Igbo by a great number. As an African American that is one of the things that I learned early on in my research; because it is known in this Hemisphere that the Yoruban were numerous in South America. In fact there are far more Yoruba people in South America than are Igbo and Akan descended people in North America. We can agree to disagree, but when you do more research your eyes are going to be opened. It is a really sad subject anyway, because Igbo and Yoruba people were completely mistreated by our own people. Sad stuff. |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 4:24am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: You gave the figure of 1.4 million for Igbos which seems like a number that I have seen around. The article list 3.5 million, so subtracting away that 1.4 million leaves 2.1 million Yoruba. Nether one of us know the real numbers, but both groups were decimated by their own ethnic groups. What is stunning is that Yoruba for the most part didn't enslave Igbo and Igbo didn't enslave Yoruba. Both Igbo and Yoruba were betrayed by their own people. |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 4:19am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: I am not sure that we are even discussing the same point at this point, but slavery is slavery and there were clearly more Yoruba people were placed in it than Igbo. I don't even think that the point is debatable, because it is pretty clear by looking at the size of the populations in the Americas. Btw, in my initial post to your statement I listed that the people of Angola/Congo were the hardest hit group and then the Yoruba people. I don't understand why you are disputing that. You seemed to be focused on where the people were shipped from rather than what ethnic group they were in. Fwiw, most slaves walked along way to the slave ports, so just because they were shipped from a place does not mean that they were from that place. The Igbos are unique in many respects, because we know who enslaved them. The Yoruba people were enslaved a little differently. |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 3:57am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: No bro. Here it is. They did a study on it. Most of the slaves out of Nigeria were Yoruba. "Nigeria kept its important position in the slave trade throughout the great expansion of the transatlantic trade after the middle of the seventeenth century. Slightly more slaves came from the Nigerian coast than from Angola in the eighteenth century, while in the nineteenth century perhaps 30 percent of all slaves sent across the Atlantic came from Nigeria. Over the period of the whole trade, more than 3.5 million slaves were shipped from Nigeria to the Americas. Most of these slaves were Igbo and Yoruba, with significant concentrations of Hausa, Ibibio, and other ethnic groups. In the eighteenth century, two polities--Oyo and the Aro confederacy--were responsible for most of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro confederacy continued to export slaves through the 1830s, but most slaves in the nineteenth century were a product of the Yoruba civil wars that followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s." http://countrystudies.us/nigeria/7.htm The Igbo were mostly enslaved by the Aro Confederacy. The Yoruba were enslaved by the Oyo and then during the Yoruba civil war that followed the collapse of Oyo. Your research just showed the area that the slaves were shipped from, my study actually looked at the peoples enslaved. Your figures of 1.4 Igbo being enslaved sounds about right. Figures I have seen for the Yoruba was much higher; some in the range of 2 millions others well above 3+ millions. It stands to reason, because South America has many more black people than North America. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 3:40am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: I don't think that that is true. I think that the Yoruba people were the largest group slaves next to the Bantu people from Angola and the Congo. I think that the Igbo people were the third largest group and the Akan 4th. I will look up the stats on that just to be sure, but there was a reason why the slaves were chosen to go to different places. EDIT: Just as I thought. Yoruba people made up most of the slaves. The earlier figure of about 1.4 million for Igbo was about right. The Yoruba was 2 million or more, which makes sense when considering that there are more black people in South America than there are in North America. "Nigeria kept its important position in the slave trade throughout the great expansion of the transatlantic trade after the middle of the seventeenth century. Slightly more slaves came from the Nigerian coast than from Angola in the eighteenth century, while in the nineteenth century perhaps 30 percent of all slaves sent across the Atlantic came from Nigeria. Over the period of the whole trade, more than 3.5 million slaves were shipped from Nigeria to the Americas. Most of these slaves were Igbo and Yoruba, with significant concentrations of Hausa, Ibibio, and other ethnic groups. In the eighteenth century, two polities--Oyo and the Aro confederacy--were responsible for most of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro confederacy continued to export slaves through the 1830s, but most slaves in the nineteenth century were a product of the Yoruba civil wars that followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s." http://countrystudies.us/nigeria/7.htm http://www.soundjunction.org/whereslavescamefrom.aspa As an aside here is why the Igbos wouldn't have been the largest group enslaved: "American plantations were dwarfed by those in the West Indies. About a quarter of U.S. slaves lived on farms with 15 or fewer slaves. In 1850, just 125 plantations had over 250 slaves." http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/slavery-and-anti-slavery/resources/facts-about-slave-trade-and-slavery http://www.academia.edu/1221155/Slavery_Identity_and_Ethnicity_An_Examination_of_the_Social_Contour_of_the_Yoruba_in_Africa_and_in_the_Diaspora http://yorubanation.net/atlantic-yoruba-and-the-expanding-frontiers-of-yoruba-culture-and-politics/ 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 3:06am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: Still no documentation from you. I have produced documents for you, now you need to produce some documents or else you are a clown. 2 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 3:01am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: Produce the documentation. We are waiting. 6 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 3:00am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: Another gem from you. You should spend sometime reading and less time responding with simple minded replies. There were constant rebellions in the USA. Most were small rebellions, because slaves were kept on smaller farms in the USA. You are reading about the bigger rebellions that most writers of the day covered. Not only that but the Northern States in the USA ended slavery in their region long before it was abolished in the rest of the USA during the Civil war, so Northern black people had no need to rebel. Read more. Write less in the future. 3 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:54am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: So basically you don't know what you are talking about? Which is what was stated earlier, but instead of admitting that you don't know anything about the topic in which you have decided to engage you just write dumb stuff. One other thing; the slavers/planters in Haiti and Jamaica did live on their island. They were outnumbered by the slaves and they just assumed that the slaves were docile and wouldn't overtake them. That is why Akan and Igbo slaves were shipped to the USA and kept on small farms rather than on larger open plantations were they had freedom of movement. 2 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:50am On May 04, 2015 |
Phut: That is because Sukkot doesn't know anything that he is writing about. He is a clown. 4 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:46am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: There were more than 10 rebellions in the USA; we listed the big ones for ease of reading. Most rebellions in the USA were small, because the slaves lived on small farms rather than on large plantations like in the Caribbean and South America. You don't know what you are talking about. Where are your links to all of the simpleton stuff that you have been writing? 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:45am On May 04, 2015 |
Phut: The link that I provided to him had at least 12-15 rebellions in the USA listed. The troll didn't even open the links. 2 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:39am On May 04, 2015 |
babyosisi: Trollville. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:38am On May 04, 2015 |
[quote author=sukkot post=33395657][/quote] Show some links or you are just a clown. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:37am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: Like I said before; you are really dumb. You haven't provided any links to anything that you have written. You are just a clown. Show me some links to any of the crap that you have been writing or I am just going to see you as a fool. I have provided link after to link to rebellion after rebellion in the USA. You have showed me nothing. Troll somewhere else. 9 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:30am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: You don't know what you are talking about. There were lots so slave rebellions in the USA; some were very large and some were very small. The White man learned how to put them down after learning of the revolt in Haiti. I noticed that a lot of unread people never knew about the revolts, because that fits the narrative of a lot of dumb people that think that that African people never had a history. Here are some rebellions for your review. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/did-african-american-slaves-rebel/ http://listverse.com/2013/10/19/10-incredible-slave-rebellions/ http://www.johnhorse.com/highlights/essays/largest.htm 4 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:22am On May 04, 2015 |
OneNaira6: I can't speak much to the Wolofs, because I am having a hard time remembering my readings on where they were taken during the slave trade. But I believe you, because I remember reading that they and the Mande people made White people very nervous. I agree with you about the Angolans as well. Btw, here is a listing of the top 5 rebellions in USA history. The Angolans are mentioned and I remember that the USA had some Angolans here as well. I think that the Angolans were brough into Louisiana after the USA purchased the Louisiana territory from France. I am not sure about that though. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/did-african-american-slaves-rebel/ |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 2:15am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: Black people in America were really rebellious. They constantly had rebellions going and they were in the minority of the population. They poisoned slavers and faced them in armed rebellion year after year which is why white people act with acts of barbarism when dealing with Black Americans. White people lived in constant fear of Black people during slavery; so much so that they refused to let black people play drums, speak their native languages or practice any religion other than Christianity and then the only thing that could be preached about Christianity is peace. love and forgiveness. That is the reason that African Americans have nonviolent movements political movements to this very day. Meanwhile the White man can be as violent as he wants to be. Btw, slave rebellions were also the reason that Akans and Igbos were in the USA to begin with. The Europeans wanted those two groups on small farms in the USA as much as possible, rather than on the large plantations in the Caribbean and South America. The Europeans thought that they could control the rebellions much better if the slaves were isolated on the smaller farms. It would have been tougher on the large plantations with more slaves. They also didn't give the slaves freedom of movement or teach them to read in the USA. 4 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 1:38am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: It is my hobby too. I can save you a lot of time and tell you right now that the Akan people were by far the most rebellious slaves. The second most rebellious group were the Igbos. Those two groups overthrew the slavers in in Haiti and Jamaica. The slavers in South Carolina and Georgia didn't want anymore Igbo slaves, because they constantly rebelled and worst yet committed suicide. One of the scariest slave to have was an Akan. Nat Turner in the US was of Akan descent and possibly even Igbo due to his being from Virginia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Turner Fwiw, you know that Yoruba people were not that rebellious as compared to Igbo people for a lot of reasons. Mainly, because slavery ended in the USA in 1865 after a prolonged brutal bloody civil war that the slaves participated within. Slavery didn't end in Brazil until 1888, which was 23 years after slavery ended in the USA. The crazy part about it is that the slaves in the USA were in the minority of the population; they have never been the majority. The black people in Brazil have always been in the majority of the population until just recent years. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 1:27am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: I am mostly Igbo and Akan DNA. In countries where the slaves were taken the Europeans forced them to intermarry, most black people in the West are mixed ethnically. It is not just Igbo, but most English speaking black people are descended from Akan and Igbo folks. 2 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 1:23am On May 04, 2015 |
MeandSum: Don't know, but I would guess that it is probably from the English. The English may have also put the extra "g" in the word Niger to make it the racial slur. |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 1:19am On May 04, 2015 |
OneNaira6: Don't forget Haiti shares Hispaniola with the Dominican Republic, so some Haitians could very well be Yoruba, because the Dominicans likely were. The Haitians were also likely Akan people from the Ivory Coast and Ghana as well. |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 1:05am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: Another brilliant remark from you. Haitians are not just Igbo, they were also Akans, Yoruba and Mande people too. Don't forget that Haiti is a part of Hispanola with the Dominican Republic. 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 12:43am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: How can a guy in Nigeria make a statement like that about Jamaica? The white man is the criminal, but he tries to pretend that he is law abiding and that black people are criminals. Hell the white man even calls Nigerians criminals, but the white man never says what crimes he has helped the Nigerians commit. 2 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 12:15am On May 04, 2015 |
chibecanglobal: Actually, there are probably more Yoruba people that are slaves than Igbo people; because there are a lot more black people in Brazil than there are black people in the USA. There are only about 45-50 million African Americans. There maybe over 100 million African Brazilians, some of them are called black and others are called Pardo. So that means that the Yoruba people were twice as gullible as Igbo people. http://www.city-data.com/knowledge/Pardo.html http://en.mercopress.com/2009/04/25/black-population-becomes-the-majority-in-brazil 3 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 12:00am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: There is no evidence that African Americans speak Igbo or Akan languages, but that does not mean that they are not descended mostly from Igbo and Akan people; because we know that they are. Btw, Jamaicans were aware of their African ethnicity long before most African Americans; because it was illegal for African Americans to keep the customs or speak the language of the Igbos and Akan people in America. However, African Americans still kept up with a lot of their Igbo customs by growing stuff like okra, corn and yams, which we call sweet potatoes. Many African Americans in the Southern USA used to live on small family plots near their families and they kept small gardens behind their homes were they grew those crops; hell when I go to visit my family in rural Tennessee right now I notice that all of my family members live in a direct line and they all have small gardens wherein they grow okra, corn and sweet potatoes. I live in the City of Chicago, but my family has been in Tennessee, North Carolina and Virginia for a few hundred years. 4 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 11:36pm On May 03, 2015 |
Ugwuoke347: There is also Igbo landing in Georgia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_Landing 2 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 11:30pm On May 03, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: Again. It has to be said. That it is common knowledge where the slaves came from. There are some Yoruba that ended up in the USA and there were some Igbos that ended up in Brazil, but Brazil and other Caribbean, Central and South American destinations is by and large where most Yoruba people ended up. They still practicing Santeria in Brazil and Cuba right now. http://www.powerfulsanteriaspells.com/what-is-santeria.html Btw, I realize that Portuguese is the official language, but some of the Africans especially some of the Bantu people still speak their languages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilombo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimbundu 1 Like |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 11:09pm On May 03, 2015 |
TheReborn: That is not true. There were some that were brought to the USA from the Caribbean, but most were landed in Maryland or Virginia. You have to know the history of the USA in knowing that those 2 states were two of the original 13 colonies, but all of the American colonies originally had slavery. Slaves were typically landed in Annapolis Maryland and sold in the slave markets of Baltimore. Other were sold in the slave markets in Virginia or New York (btw, Wall Street in New York City started as a slave market selling Africans). http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/intromsa/pdf/slavery_pamphlet.pdf http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/6762/ http://www.nathanielturner.com/baltimoreslavemarkets.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/18/AR2010021801675.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-singer/wall-street-was-a-slave-m_b_1208536.html http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-plans-memorial-wall-street-slave-market-1700s-article-1.2187091 2 Likes |
Culture / Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 10:52pm On May 03, 2015 |
tobtap: I am an African American and it is pretty common knowledge that most African Americans and people from the Jamaica, Virgin Islands and other English Speaking Islands in the Caribbean are descended mostly from Igbo people and the Akan people of modern day Ghana and the Ivory Coast. DNA testing is now bearing that out. Even with recent immigration into the USA by other African ethnic groups; at least 60% of all African Americans whose ancestors were slaves can still trace their ancestry back to the Igbos. Most Yoruba people, Angolans and people from the Congo taken in the slave trade went to places like Cuba, Haiti, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Venezuela and Brazil; went to other South American and Caribbean Island. We know these things because in most of those places those people still practice their religions and some even still speak the language and keep up with the Culture. Also the reason some people out of certain African regions were chosen to go to certain regions in the Americas was because of their knowledge of crops. The Europeans had studied Africans and the Europeans knew that in the new World there certain areas that were like the lands in Africa. Some they picked certain Africans to enslave in certain places because of those Africans has knowledge of crops like rice, corn (maize), which is why the Gullah people were imported into States like Georgia and South Carolina. http://www.driskellcenter.umd.edu/programs/2003-2004/colloq/hall/igbo.pdf http://www.ibopeople.com/history/igbo-history/origin-of-igbo-of-nigeria http://www.blogtalkradio.com/igbokwenu/2009/09/19/the-igbo-ancestry-of-black-america-the-carribean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_the_Atlantic_slave_trade http://abolition.nypl.org/essays/us_slave_trade/5/ http://www.yale.edu/glc/gullah/02.htm 3 Likes 1 Share |
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