pleep:
In the 90s, the Infamous Book known as the Bell Curve: Intelligence and class structure in American life was released by Harvard Professors, Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray. In the Book the Authors tried to explain how Socioeconomic backgrounds determine Intelligence. The Book was immediately Slammed and Herrnstein and Murray were vilified.

Initially, i also slammed the Book as poorly done. I felt it didn't hold significant Scientific Influence. Recently, I've been thinking about this issue and I've come to a Conclusion. The Intelligent Blacks are being out bred by the non-intelligent ones at a rate greater than what the other Races are experiencing.


Before you Demonize me, think about it. In the US, an African American Woman that is on Welfare and is also on Drugs may have several Children, all for different Men. These Children Grow up in the hood and also breed in Large Numbers. I can understand why this happens in Africa, Most People with very Large families need the Manpower that a large family brings, but there are those that are not farmers and live in absolute penury, yet, they have several Children that they can't take care of.

In conclusion, i have my doubts about an IQ test being a Useful Indicator of Intelligence. I recently took a Paid Raven Matrices IQ test which is tailored specifically for Cultural differences, since it eliminates any form of Language. I got a high Score but i doubt an individual with little to no Formal Education would even know what to do. I might doubt the Efficiency of IQ tests but i'm almost certain that the Intelligent ones of our Race are being Bred of Existence.

Maybe next time before you make broad sweeping generalizations; you could take a few seconds to dig up some facts to back up your statements. Your statements about poor African American women on welfare, didn't point out two basic facts; not all poor African American women have children nor are they all on welfare. You also failed to mention that the vast majority of Black women in America are middle class. And it is the middle class Black people that have the majority of the children; which is why the standard of living for African Americans is so high.

http://blackdemographics.com/households/african-american-income/

Another thing that you didn't point out is that welfare benefits in the USA includes unemployment benefits; which are benefits that the government provides to you when you lose your employment via layoff or whatever. The poor black women on welfare that spoke of could actually be laid off of their jobs, which is totally different than just women on welfare that you are seem to be talking about. There are about 23.5 million African American women in the USA. Only about 3-4 million of them are on any kind of government assistance, but like I stated some of that assistance is actually unemployment benefits; so a lot of those women were working but got laid off during the big USA recession about 6 years ago.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

If anything by using your logic; you showed that middle class African American women have very high IQ's and since they produce the majority of African American children; so that defeats the whole notion of intelligent Black people being bred out. Here are some facts: 57% of all African American women have attended college; and 22% of African American women have college degrees.

http://blackdemographics.com/black-women-statistics/

So how exactly are intelligent Black people being bred out? That is nonsense.

A couple of other facts; African Americans have 107 Colleges and Universities of their own in the USA. The 107 college and universities are mostly universities founded by Black people after slavery ended in the USA. Here is a list of just the Historically Black Colleges in the USA:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_historically_black_colleges_and_universities

Those Black Universities have law schools, medical schools, engineering schools, business schools etc. In fact there are still 4 Black medical schools in the USA that turn out Black doctors every year; there used to be more Black medical schools than that, before desegregation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2569729/

African Americans also attend White universities in the USA. African American women are the largest part of the student body in all Historically Black Colleges. And women of all colors are the largest part of the student bodies in every college in the USA, whether it be Black or White University.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2012/02/16/the-male-female-ratio-in-college/

I think the IQ study is complete nonsense.

Radoillo:
You might be surprised to know that there are Egyptians who do not consider themselves Arabs. Mostly the Nubians in the south and some (if not most) of the Coptic Christians. And these two groups are, in many ways, the cultural heirs of Ancient Egypt.

Like this guy:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XUPZokMb6A

muafrika:
AkanIgbo
You are forgetting something important. Africans are not one people. If you think the inter-country rivalry is serious you should check out intertribal and inter clan animosity. You should see what Somali clans are doing to each other. What some tribes within Kenya are doing to each other. You've heard of what the Hutu/Tutsi war did. You should see the Nigeria civil war.

The sad thing is that even western ideals like democracy and governance cannot withstand the power that tribalism does wield in Africa. They just become a convenient tool for yet another tribe to rule over another, to eliminate another tribe, time for one tribe to "eat," euphemism for plundering the country's wealth at the expence of the "others" etc.

The future of Africa is not in Western Ideals of civilization. African leaders could not be compared with the vampire feudal Lords and Kings of Europe of a similar time e. g during the middle ages, who reigned terror on their people in dreadful ways. We just need to get the basics of our ancestral political, social and economic systems and translate them to our time.

We are many "nations". Around 2000 in number the last time I checked. With historically deep reasons for perception of similarly different nations. There is always a deep rooted reason for why a community perceives and relates to another and it won't change just because some irreverent people from a very far away land impose some artificial boundaries disregarding the existence of both the nations and their leaders and telling them they are now brothers, countrymen. This is why democracy will never take root in Africa. It has ignored the reality on the ground, and has ensured the suffering of people that were better off without it.

I understand what you are saying, but people in other countries are from different ethnic groups too; but they learn to put their dislikes for each other behind them in order to advance as a group. And advancement as a group usually means taking advantage of Black people, who for whatever reason will never come together even when we are being enslaved and murdered.

Rivertemz:
A bad example of African-Americans migrating to the continent is the History of Liberia.

A good example of African-Americans migrating to the continent is the History of Ghana. Since independence the country of Ghana has went out and actively sought African Americans to do business with and to immigrate to Ghana. WEB Dubois immigrated to Ghana. He was one of America's great Civil Rights leaders. African Americans have been visiting and immigrating to Ghana for a very long time.

AAinEqGuinea:



You can't somehow tell me not to generalize but then you proceed with an unwarranted generalization yourself @red

I won't be long-winded but I'll end with this, too many AA don't care about themselves. Your or my lost of life is only worth a mention ONLY IF a racist killed one of us, but if black ppl killed one of us... NOTHING, just normal day in the hood. No protests, no community sobbin . You can't care about other people, especially those across the globe, until you care about yourselves first. This story is no different than many parts of Nigeria. I read their stories, many Nigerians have had enough of the problems too. Of course there are those more adventurous and accomplished and clearly the shoe of my story doesn't fit them.

Please don't get me started, I don't wanna hear how you think all these AA hoes are salvageable.

Again you are generalizing about Africans Americans. African Americans obviously care about each other, because they learned that they had to work together to gain their human rights in their own land. They worked together to build their own universities. They worked together to enter into the trades and the professions and to build their own business. Hell it is the African American civil rights struggles that have allowed Africans from the Continent to immigrate to the USA for school and employment; so African Americans do care about people and they do care about their culture, which is why they are outraged at the continued racism against them in the land that their ancestors built.

Now if you want to talk about who doesn't care then you don't have to go around the Globe; you don't have to look any further than Sub Saharan continental Africa. The leadership in those countries continue to make the Europeans and the Asians rich, while continuing to keep their own citizens living in poverty. The leadership of those countries still value the Europeans and even the Arabs and now the Chinese over their own Black people. Don't get me started; but after hundreds of years of enslaving their own people for sale to the Europeans and then being enslaved by the Europeans in their own land (call it colonization if makes you feel better), you would think that our people in Africa would have had enough and demand some changes from their greedy ass corrupt so called leadership. But no. A bunch of folks are still too caught up in a bunch of petty tribal crap and they and we as a people fall further and further behind the rest of the World.

On a side note; why do Black people around the World always try to find divide in one another; rather than coming together as a people and realizing that the rest of World see us as a bunch of Niggers and just want to exploit us. Just that alone should be reason enough for all of us to come together as a people and work towards and for our own interests. To utilize our own professionals. To build our own business. To rebuild our own ancestral homelands. To embrace and respect one another; but instead of that we are reduced to the Igbos don't like Yorubans. The Nigerians don't like the Ghanans. The Kenyans don't like the Somalis. Nigerians don't like African Americans. News flash: many African Americans have roots in Nigeria, so if Nigerians don't like African Americans that means that Nigerians don't like themselves.

AAinEqGuinea:
I'd like to continue seeing Africa to find more people like me, network with them, and help them out where I can.

I've thought about changing my name but I'm unsure of what to change it to. I question everything so I don't know if I would have accepted a tribal name either even if I were born in Africa. How does my name matter if my name means Holy Sun but I'm the biggest crook ever.

I don't see Africa in a vacuum like 99% of people do. I see Jamaica and much of the Caribbeans as "Africa-West", parts of southeastern Asia as "Africa-East", and America's South as "Africa-North" (there are whites there, so "South Africa-North". Who said that the boundaries of Africa had to stop at the Oceans? We know many Blacks took their mainland African cultures with them and still practice an evolved version of their culture today. Aside from cultural and language barriers, all black people act the same in ways I hate and love. I don't need the whole group, I'll just like to carefully pick the ones who I'd like to build with.

Most African Americans don't care about Africa... If African Americans are a problem here, they'll be a problem there, a hallmark for a dangerous proportion of black people across the globe. I came up with this, You can take the black man off his land but you can't take the blackness out the man

I don't think that you know the hearts and minds of most African Americans to be making a blanket statement about them not caring about Africa. Every major university in America teaches about Africa and Africans; including Historically Black Universities, of which many African Americans attend. There are 107 Historically Black Universities in the USA and countless other State and private universities all throughout the USA that teaches African Culture and history.

If you are saying that most African Americans don't know much about Africa then that is a different statement. It is a true statement, because most African Americans probably don't know much about Africa. Then again most Africans probably don't know much about America and African Americans. So a better statement is that both groups don't know each other; and that is the fault of the Africans, because they are the ones that warred on the ancestors of African Americans and sold them into slavery. And with the exception of Ghana, Benin and a Chieftan in Cameroon; none of the other African nations have even bothered to apologize for the role of their ancestors in the slave trade.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2014/06/why_won_t_the_united_states_apologize_for_slavery.html
http://exposingbimbia..com/p/related-works.html

Many African Americans have and continue to trace their roots through DNA testing. There are a lot of companies in the USA that cater to this, including a company called African Ancestry. That is what that company does; it traces the ancestry of African Americans.

http://www.africanancestry.com/assets/img/testimonials/uploads/w06xjgvifbk8cgcs40.pdf

So your statements probably need to be revised. On a side note; there is a reason why the modern country of Cameroon made a statement on slavery. DNA testing is showing that a lot of African Americans have roots Cameroon among the Tikar Bamilieke, Bamoun, Fang, Hausa and the Fulani of Cameroon. African Americans have been visiting Cameroon as tourists to see the slave port of Bimbia. Another thing that you might not know is that African Americans have been immigrating to Ghana in record numbers. Those tourists and immigrants are probably why Ghana and eventually Cameroon are likely to have economic growth spurts in the coming years. Other countries to watch for are the two Congos, Angola and Gabon. A lot of African Americans are tracing their roots to those countries too.

http://afkinsider.com/29041/african-americans-visiting-moving-ghana-record-numbers/

TheDauraMallam:


Hello brother, this might come as a surprise but you are a pathetic jester. So you're here, armed with the history of the Moors, Greeks, early Europeans and Spaniards and that gives you the reason to assume the white race is inferior, or as you said it, a "thief" of ideas? Your rhetoric is nothing but a wild goose chase.

Before I attack your points, I need to remind you why we're having this conversation.

The original poster, hahn, created a thread penning down one of his numerous church experiences he considered shocking. Below is an excerpt of his tale. This, I suppose, was the inception of your madness.

You quoted the OP, and typed:

The OP is a male, so your were saying the OP is gay and you also chipped in the perversion of Europeans. How royal of you, a black and supposedly educated Nigerian.

Then the OP quoted you, asking why you labelled him a gay, asking you what is wrong if two people fall in love irrespective of religion, race, gender or anything? Asking you if you are affected by whatever your neighbors do in the confines of their bedrooms?


Next thing, the thread digressed to your vile induced post where you said

If you (or anybody reading this comment) don't see the idiocy in all your retorts, then humanity has failed. You don't have any iota of how to argue. You're here fueled with the hatred for the white man and their perversions as you called it and you failed to answer why here in Nigeria one can get locked up for 14years for being gay while there is no law against lynching irrespective of whether or not the victim is innocent or not?

Your reasoning is so contorted I have nothing to describe it. You are a shame to other peace loving blacks worldwide and you are a shame to your family too. I can't comprehend why you would defend a religion that was brought here by your so called Moors or Arabians, and laced with spices from the Greek and the Egyptian mythology.

Your argument on this thread is flawed, and ridden with fallacies. This is a religious thread and not a history thread.

Quote me again and I'll introduce you to a bit of social biology, economics and the history of the ancient world and not the gibberish you wrote out of your fervent hate of Whites.

I'm black but they are miles ahead of any human civilization. Deal with it.

First of all the clown OP linked my screen name to some kind of ridiculous thread regarding some hermaphrodite. I have no idea why he would pull such a juvenile prank; and I assumed that he had to be a gay man, because no straight grown man would do such a stupid thing. So you should ask him, because I didn't even realize that we had spilled into another thread. That is why the replies seem so disjointed; because they are due to the OP being a clown and linking me in some kind of way. Secondly, I don't know the laws and the customs of your country, because I don't live in it. I don't have an opinion on the laws, because it is the society that decides them whether you consider the laws civilized or uncivilized. Since you are a citizen and the issue of lynching of people and the jailing of the gays bothers you; then it would seem that you would set out to change those laws with your fellow citizens. Since this is a thread on religion then you need to probably start in your church because that is where most bigotry starts and is given tacit approval in most cases. After all it was the telling of the story of Ham in Christian churches that gave approval to bigotry against black people.

As for the rest of what you write; all I can say is OMG. I now can see how Black people have ended up where they are. Growing up here in the USA and seeing Black people develop their own universities and trains of thought that required us to research other cultures and societies; the thing that jumps out the most is where we are and who they are. Color me unimpressed, but you go ahead and bow down and love your masters, but after watching him confiscate your ideas and even your culture as his own; then you are going to take another look at that man. So it is not rhetoric that I speak; it is watching it first hand in the USA and then reviewing the historical records to see if that is the norm. And sure enough when you study the history of something and then review the contributions of others you begin to see the big picture. Call it hate for the White man if you want, but I call it giving all of humanity their due contribution to the school of knowledge and civilization.

KenyanLady:


I am referring to these Egyptians.





The term "Caucasoid" doesn't mean White.

If you are referring to Abyssinia (modern day country of Ethiopia), Somalia, Eritrea or Arabs then you are wrong. The DNA tests show very slight relationship between the Egyptians and the Abyssinians, Somalians and Eritreans. In fact the Arabs are not related to the Egyptians at all. The Egyptians and Bantu people seem to be the same group.

KenyanLady:




the ancient Egyptians were a Caucasoid race, not west african Negroid.

LOL. Who should I believe? You or should I believe DNA evidence and Greek historians that traveled in and lived in Egypt? Just so you know the Greek historians that you are up against are Herodotus, Aristotle, Didorus Siculus and Strabo. Those guys actually saw the Egyptians with their own eyes. Here is what the Greek scholars had to say about the Egyptians and Africans, whom they referred to as Ethiopians (not the country of Ethiopia which was actually Abbysinia).

Herodotus [/b]said:
"the people of Colchis must be Egyptians because like them they are black-skinned and wooly-haired."

[b]Aristotle said:
" The Egyptians and Ethiopians were very black."

Diodorus Siculus said:

The [b]Aithiopians [Ethiopians] say that the Egyptians are settlers from among themselves [/b]and that Osiris was the leader of the settlement. The customs of the Egyptians, they say, are for the most part Aithiopian, the settlers having preserved their old traditions. For to consider the kings gods, to pay great attention to funeral rites, and many other things, are Aithiopian practices, and also the style of their statues and the form of their writing are Aithiopian. Also the way the priestly colleges are organized is said to be the same in both nations. For all who have to do with the cult of the gods, they maintain, are [ritually] pure: the priests are shaved in the same way, they have the same robes and the type of scepter shaped like a plough, which also the kings have, who use tall pointed felt hats ending in a knob, with the snakes that they call the asp (aspis) coiled round them." "There are also numerous other Aithiopian tribes [i.e. besides those centered at Meroe]; some live along both sides of the river Nile and on the islands in the river, others dwell in the regions that border on Arabia [i.e. to the east], others again have settled in the interior of Libya [i.e. to the west]. The majority of these tribes, in particular those who live along the river, have black skin, snub-nosed faces,and curly hair".

[b]Strabo [/b]said:
"Egyptians were Black and had wooly hair."

http://articles.philly.com/1994-12-17/news/25852935_1_egyptians-black-skinned-herodotus
http://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Heroegy.html
https://books.google.com/books?id=w-E_AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=diodorus+of+sicily+said+that+the+egyptians+were+black&source=bl&ots=favy1hldJ-&sig=Zn3b7cMrANTMXf-_Q4XqCxgRf7s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2rtWVe6bOY73yQTHw4DQBA&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=diodorus%20of%20sicily%20said%20that%20the%20egyptians%20were%20black&f=false


Btw, there is more proof that the Egyptians were African Black people. Ramses mummies and the other Egyptian mummies showed signs of severe sickle cell anemia, in fact sickle cell anemia caused King Tut's death. Benin Sickle Cell pretty much tells it all.

http://newsrescue.com/dna-evidence-on-egyptian-pharaohs-ramses-iii-a-sub-saharan-african-black/#ixzz3aMV9UMAf
http://news.discovery.com/history/ancient-egypt/tut-pharaoh-blood-disease.htm

nortcentrallord:


Ignorance is a very bad disease and half education is worst. The bible has English versions so and I believe you understand english Arabic so develop a culture of reading and find the truth for yourself. On what day of the week did Jesus resurrected? On what day of the week was the Holy Spirit sent on the apostles? Even the early Christians started worshiping on Sundays before Christianity got to Europe. I asked you a question earlier but you dodged it. Please, give me the answers according to your level of understanding. Am waiting.

LOL. I don't think that you know what you think that you know.

Btw, which version of the English bible are you referring to? The first translation into English doesn't happen for centuries.

Secondly, the Earthly Christians started worshipping on Sunday to be in compliance with Constantine. Constantine was a Sun God worshipper, thus a pagan. The date of worship was changed in 321 to make Christianity appeal to the pagans in Rome. The same Romans that were throwing Christians to the lions. Here is the wording used by Constantine:

"All judges and city people and the craftsmen shall rest upon the venerable day of the sun. Country people, however, may freely attend to the cultivation of the fields, because it frequently happens that no other days are better adapted for planting the grain in the furrows or the vines in trenches. So that the advantage given by heavenly providence may not for the occasion of a short time perish."


23.Jump up ^ Ayer, Joseph Cullen (1913). A Source Book for Ancient Church History. 2.1.1.59g. New York City: Charles Scribner's Sons. pp. 284–5.

The Catholic Church made the doctrine official in 336.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrB21mc2fmI
http://www.sabbathtruth.com/free-resources/article-library/id/916/catholic-church-admits-they-made-the-change

hahn:


Lol. He is aretard

Maybe you need to reread this thread before name calling.

https://www.nairaland.com/2253974/it-time-african-americans-fight

Over my lifetime I have known many Nigerians and other Africans who were very intelligent. After reading your comments I can honestly say without any hesitation; that you are not.

TheDauraMallam:



Really, bro. Are you this retarded or is this a joke?

Phew!

I am always surprised when I see this response. If you just go back in history just 500 years or so you will see that Europe was not advanced. It was the Moors that brought advancement to the Europeans. The typical European was living in huts and shacks similar to what Africans were living in out in the wilderness. The numerical system that the Europeans use was brought to them by the Arabs; in fact it is called the Arabic numerical system. The alphabet was from the Greeks who got parts of it from the Egyptians and other cultures. Look back in time and you will see that the only literate people in Europe were either royalty or well to do and they learned literacy through the Moors and Arabs. Medicine, science, accounting, architecture, banking law, business law, universities, layouts of cities, eye glasses, astronomy, etc.,; were all given by the Moors, which is why Spain and Portugal were the first of the European countries to emerge from what they refer to as their dark ages. Before the Moors the Europeans were by and large in slavery to the Romans. The Romans referred Germanic people as barbarians and they referred to the people that we now call the English; as lawless naked savages. The Moors described them much the same why and the Moors commented on the lack of hygiene and lack of cleanliness that the Europeans had.

http://www.culturespain.com/2012/03/02/what-did-the-moors-do-for-us/

http://sunnah.org/history/moors.htm

https://books.google.com/books?id=jVazAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=who+did+romans+refer+to+as+lawless+naked+savages&source=bl&ots=a6o59qLuA4&sig=CUv5fI022CFaQzGNkoCFiAblFNw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=O5FmVc3KJYffoATl8oCYBw&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=who%20did%20romans%20refer%20to%20as%20lawless%20naked%20savages&f=false

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/when-moors-ruled-europe/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu%E2%80%93Arabic_numeral_system


What the Europeans have been good at is using warfare to their gain. Once they gain through warfare they then confiscate just about everything of value from a society that they subjugate. Many inventions that the Europeans tout as their own, were actually from other people, mostly the Chinese, Arabs, Africans and from the people of India. Even the knowledge and ability to even get to those places came from the Arabs, because it was the Arabs that taught the White man navigation. Notice how it was Spain and Portugal that first arrived in West Africa, which is where the Moors had set up their kingdom.

So no they are not inventors of anything. They have advanced the arts, sciences and schools of knowledge just like every other culture, but just like Greeks and Romans before them; the European White man is digging around in Egypt trying to figure out why the Egyptians were so advanced.

Hiswordxray:

And if you are not such a fool you won't be running away from God and blaspheming.

Yes he is. And he is a real fool. Hahn has serious mental illnesses. You should pray for him and move on.

nortcentrallord:


Please can you educate me where in the bible it is written, permitted or encouraged for priests or Christians to practice sodomy? Didn't you read the story of sodom and gomorhar which is where the evil sin got its name from? The bible is a slandered of living of Christians. If any priest is involved in such, it is his personal evil desire and it is evil and the Bible does not permit that. Can we say the same of the koran that preaches, advice, encourages and endears killing, bombing, child marriage, women slavery and other associated evil practiced by muslims who can boldly stand and support their claims from the Koran and hadiths? Please, answer me.

The Bible as interpreted by the Romans has nothing to do with Christianity. The same people that threw Christians to the lions are same ones that gave you your priests. They even changed the date of Holy worship from Saturday to Sunday and then they let loose their sexual perversions that they practiced in Rome.

hahn:


This is exactly why I keep saying you're ignorant about what is going on here. If you had any inkling on what I have to go through to reply your dumb comments you'll swallow your tongue.

And that's why I'm a Nigerian. We achieve the best under the worst conditions and make it looks easy!

I am sorry that you have a white father and an African mother. It obviously has you confused as to who you are. Your mental illness obviously stems from your confusion.

ezeagu:


If your timescale is Nebuchadnezzar, then it's very unlikely there's an isolated group of Igbo people who have ancestry from Judah, that's over 2000 years mind you.



Black Americans did not wilfully migrate to the United States and assimilate, and their language still has traces of African languages. And would you really say European and Asian American cultures bear no relationship to the continents, wouldn't the fact that they're named after these continents be indicative of that? Is St Patricks day a Native American holiday?

The Dogon language isn't even spoken by any other group, as in no other languages are known to be directly related to it meaning that it is a unique language that wasn't forced on them. Just looking at their culture it looks nothing like ancient Egypt, they don't even tie wrapper like other Africans do and ancient Egyptians did, and that's a minor point unlike their language, religion and cultural rites. Stuff like writing for example hardly dies off, if these are descendant of priests that fled Egypt at some point writing would not have died off, they wouldn't have dropped all their culture. The Dogon are more like everyone around them than ancient Egyptians.

I am not sure what point that you are making, but the God's names being Amma and Amen says a lot to me. On top of that the Egyptians were also pretty versed in astrology as are the Dogon. Obviously a lot of things have been lost in 2,000 years, but sometimes things are what they look like and no one has denied that migration has occurred away from Egypt. The Bantu are proof positive of the migration.

http://sacredsites.com/africa/mali/dogon.html

Whether African Americans migrated to America voluntarily or not; it is fact that they are in America. And living in America you can clearly see that by the 2nd generation most of the people in America, assimilate to American culture.

ezeagu:


But there are probably another culture where there is a similar sounding word for God. Their cultures bears no correlation with ancient Egypt. I'm not even sure they have sun worship.

Well African Americans don't speak any of the tribal languages, but that doesn't mean that they are not from Africa.

African Americans, Asian-Americans and even European Americans cultures bear no relationship to Africa, Asia or Europe; but that does not mean that they doesn't mean that they did not originate in those places.

Sometimes things are exactly what they appear to be.

hahn:


You just love to blame the white man for all your problems yet to speak their language, went to their schools, use their technology and live under their laws and benefit from the white man's achievement.

Until you come to Africa, all you are saying is hogwash. Come and experience what's going on here and then you'll have the right to your comments. Rent is cheap

The schools are not his. They belonged to the Moors. Education was passed to him by the Moors.
The technology is not his. Technology is passed on through every society.
The white man has no achievements. He lived in caves with his dogs just up to a few hundred years ago. The Moors brought him enlightenment. The White man goes around and looks at everyone else society and then claim those societies accomplishment as his own.

Like I said before you have some kind of mental issues. I think that something has to be wrong with you if you think that Africans have never accomplished anything.

And on top of that you are lying about sitting in the middle of Nigeria and not having lights and electricity. Well how are you always on the internet making ridiculous statements about Africans if you have no lights and electricity? However instead of you being thankful to the people of Nigeria for giving you a home, electricity and educating you; you sit on the internet and bad mouth their country. You have a lot of mental problems.

ezeagu:


Why is it that whenever a group does something interesting in Africa there's this stretch to link them to Egypt somehow? Their language and culture is completely different to Egypt.

Probably because people migrated from the East of Africa to the West of Africa. Secondly, the Dogon God is Amma and the Egyptian God is Amen. The Dogon also use symbols and signs that are said to be similar to those in Egypt.

Ifeann:
All humanity can be just as evil.
Blacks also lynch people even in the 21st century. Have u seen the xenophobic attacks in SA, not the one of this year, the pervious ones. They roast there fellow Africans like a barbecue.

Arabs traded and killed millions of black slaves, the middle east has always been a hotbed for violence, Asians have fought wars as much as the Europeans and even far longer. India hates Pakistan, Japanese and china fought wars for centuries,
There are some Asian and south American countries that u as a nigerina will find unbearable.


The "white" have only managed to be the frist to use there brains to take violence to the next level. If "blacks" had nukes they will be more dangerous than "whites".

When have you ever known Africans to have a World War where millions of their own people are killed? Much less two World Wars where the same thing happened again? Because that is what Europeans have did.

Most African conflicts are regional and in most cases they boil down to ethnic conflicts that erupt due to encroachment on each others lands. When you look behind the conflicts it is usually due to the Europeans and Arabs encroaching onto Africans lands in the first place and pushing people off of their land, which cause displacement; and that is usually the genesis for the ethnic wars.

Ihuomadinihu:

While the jewish-cushite angle sounds sweet and interesting,let's not forget a remarkable movement of people in African history popularly known as Bantu migration. Afterall,groups of people moved away from Igbo/Cameroon homeland,is it not possible that a large chunk of igbo speaking people migrated to East Africa following the bantu expansion.

That is what I think happened. Some Bantu were already in Uganda, Congo and Kenya during the time of the Pharaohs, because they spoke of the origin of the Nile being where they were from. That looks to be around the African Great Lakes, which are in the Congo, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and Kenya.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Great_Lakes

Fireflame144000:


About that Dogon part, yeah I heard about something like that but it was actually the theory that the ancient people were probably more advanced then we were. Even if it's most likely not true, it holds some truth. Like are modern scientist just use what the ancients people know just to learn more things, the modern scientist did not have to start out from scratch, but the ancient people did have to start out from scratch, because there was no other people before them. The ancient people figured out how to write on there own while the modern day people just made it look more advanced.

Actually the Dogon didn't start from scratch either. They said that ET's visited the Earth and gave them their knowledge of the Solar system. That might sound crazy, but you can't rule that out; because the Dogon know about planets in solar system that can not be seen with the naked eye and the Dogon didn't have telescopes. However, it is pretty clear that the Dogon are priests from Egypt that were kicked out during the time of Pharaoh. The Dogon have acknowledge that much and anthropologist and Egyptologist point that out as well.

Fireflame144000:


Yes, also I heard that your highest percentage of DNA (like 70%, 80%, 90%) traces back to your main family while your lowest percentages (like 1.2%, 2.2%, 3.5%) traces back to your beginning. Like for instances, if your 3% Asian but your 97% West African, it's most likely that your original ancestors were actually Asians who just traveled all the way to west Africa and settled down there and mixed with the west African tribes. I don't know if that's true buts it's an interesting theory.

It is more likely that the Asians traveled to West Africa, because the numbers are so small and they are from a long time ago.

Fireflame144000:


These are mine (there are some more but I don't fell like posting)


Yoruba
Hadza
Luhya
Bantu N.E.
Bantu S.W
San
Ethiopian Gumuz
Bantu S.E
Mandenka
Ethiopian Ari cultivator
Biaka pygmy
Igbo
Hausa
Lemba
Sudanese
Somali
Sandawe
Maasai
Bantu
Papuan
Cypriot
Fang

I also have Middle Eastern, European and Polynesian results, but except for the European number 12% none of them are very high. Most the European numbers are English, Ireland, Scandinavia and Iberian Peninsula; which is what most African Americans have.

Looking at your results I am almost positive that the Bantu are related to the Igbo, because every time I see an Igbo result I see a Bantu result. Those two groups have to be related somewhere, because otherwise it doesn't make sense that these two groups appearing together. Here is a blog that touches on the results of 3 Nigerians. Presumably Ancestry.com only tested Bamoun and Bamileke people in Cameroon, both groups of which are Bantu. Bamileke people share other groupings too.

https://tracingafricanroots./ancestrydna/african-results/

Fireflame144000:


Cool cool, you use Gedmatch too, so I think you would understand the question then most of the people who answered on here. Yeah different calculators come up with different results but they look similar. One calculator matched me up with the Fang tribe. I looked them up and it says they use to live in the northern eastern parts of Nigeria until they were chased off by the Islamic Hausa tribe. So, I guess it makes sense for me to be matched up with them since they're technically Nigerians.As for the Bantu part, I was matched up with the Bantu as well and some tribe in Kenya.What else did you matched up with? Did you try the Jtest?

I listed my results in the post above this one.

A couple things that I have noticed about autosomal dna is that it tells a story. The story that I noticed is that almost all West African people are from Egypt and the Sudan, because the gene flow seems to be going west and south from that area. I even have dna matches in the Middle East, which may stem from Yoruba people. It is hard to tell without getting the matrilineal and patrilineal dna testing done.

After getting the Gedmatch results I started researching the different people. Some of the stuff is just crazy. Many Pharaohs in Egypt were Bantu. The Kaba people or Sara people in Chad were chased out of Egypt by the Arabs. On some websites it looks like Sara means sons of Ra, which I think is the religion that was practiced in Egypt during the time of the Pharaohs. And the Dogon of Mali are just incredible. The Dogon are causing a lot of problems for the USA space agency NASA, because the Dogon apparently are experts in astrology and for thousands of years they have apparently known about planets and stars in the galaxy that the Western world has just learned about in the last few decades. The Dogon apparently knew about the human circulatory system long before it was known by anyone else and that the universe is a strand like human dna. Incredible.

Fireflame144000:
What the fúck? I'm confused

I took a DNA test at AncestryDNA and as I expected it says that I am 100% west African.

But I bought another kit from 23andme so I can find out my brother's Y-DNA. While I was waiting for my Brother's test results to come in, I decided to upload my AncestryDNA results to Gedmatch since Gedmatch, AncestryDNA, and 23andme all work with other. So on Gedmatch when one of the first test I took on Gedmatch was the 'Jtest' under the Eurogene project, selecting the chromosome painting process and here are the results.

South-Baltic
East-Euro
North-Central_ Euro
Atlantic
West-Med
AshkeNAZI (giggle)
East-med
West-Asian
Middle eastern
South-Asian
East African
Siberian
West-Africa

Unfortunately, this particular test did not show a percentage, but they had a color code, and the color for west Africa which was light brown, was of course really really dominate.

My second test

This one is under the dodcad project, the process type was 'Admixture proportions (with link to Oracle)'

The calculator model was 'Africa9'

Here are the results (this one shows the percentage)

Europe: 0.49%
SW.Asia: 0.78%
E Africa: 5.61%
S. Africa: 14.26%
Mbuti: 3.86%
West Africa: 69.00%
Biaka: 5.94%
San: 0.06%


Either Gedmatch looks deeper into ancestry more. Or I need to take different types of tests at Ancestry. I took multiple test at Gedmatch because they were free, but I only felt like posting two of the tests. While ancestry I would have to pay more to get those other types of tests.

But seriously what's up with that? My genes are like the fùcking rainbow. But really I'm confused, I thought I was 100% west African Igbo , because both of my parents are Igbo, but I'm not even 100% Igbo it's self, according to ancestry, I'm 50% Nigerian, 24% Cameroon/Congo, 20% Benin/Togo, and 6% Ivory Coast/Ghana.


Also, my Parents were never slaves in America, they came to America by there own free will. They were not here during slavery, they came recently like 20 years, Like 1995, slavery was already dead, so slavery in America could not be the option with this DNA mix up.

So, when people ask me where I'm from do I list all of the countries where my DNA leads to?

Or should I just say Nigeria?

Or should I just switch up, like sometimes I say Nigeria, others times Cameroon, other times Europe, others times Middle East etc.?

And what's funny is that I don't even look mix, all my friends say I look African, that's it.

I am an African American and I got some really interesting results between Ancestry.com and the Gedmatch calculators too. Ancesty.com just uses a bunch of countries where they found most of your DNA exists. Gedmatch actually tries to match the DNA to a specific group of people, but the group of matching people could differ depending upon which Gedmatch calculator you use. From what I can determine the results between Ancestry and Gedmatch end up being close at the end of the day. It is interesting to note that the Bantu may have still been migrating even during the Trans Atlantic slave period or they may have kept migrating because of the Transatlantic slave trade; or the Bantus might just be really closely related regardless of where they live; because some of closest genetic matches are not only to people taken as slaves in Cameroon and the Congo, but I seem to also be closely related to people in Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda and South Africa.

On Ancestry.com my matches came back to:

1. Cameroon/Congo 38%
2. Ghana/Ivory Coast 32%
3. Nigeria 7%
4. Togo/Benin 3%
5. Mali 2%
6. Senegal 2%
7. North Africa 2%

Here are my Dodecad match from Oracle on Gedmatch:

1. ASW (African American which is obvious) at a distance of
2. Luhya (They are in Kenya, but they are Bantu which makes sense if looking at my results)
3. Sara people in Chad
4. Mada people in Cameroon
5. Hausa people in Nigeria
6. Kongo people of the Republic of the Congo and the Democratic Republic of the Congo
7. Bamoun people of Cameroon
8. Fang people of Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea and Gabon
9. Brong people of Ghana
10. Igbo people of Nigeria
11. Nguni people South Africa
12. Pedi people of South Africa
13. Bambaran people (Mandinkas of Mali, Senegal and Mauritania)
14. Xhosa people of South Africa
15. Alur people of Uganda
16. Dogon people of Mali
17. Fulani people of Nigeria
18. Sotho-Taswana people of South Africa

On the Punt DNAL Oracle calculator my closest relatives are:
1. Mandinka
2. Igbo
3. Bambaran
4. Hausa
5. Fulani
6. Yoruba
7. Sandawe people of Tanzania
8. Fang
9. Mozabite people of Algeria (They are Berbers)
10. Kung people of South Africa
11. Egyptian
12. Moroccan
13. Dogon People of Mali
14. Hadza people of Tanzania
15. Luhya
16. Ethiopian
17. Somali
18. Maasai people of Kenya and Tanzania
19. Alur people of Uganda
20. Bulala people of Chad

Harrapa World
1. African American
2. African Caribbrean
3. Fang people
4. Kongo people
5. Kaba (Sara people)
6. Bamoun people
7. Mandinka
8. Hausa
9. Bantu South Africa
10. Igbo
11. Pedi People
12. Bambaran
13. Brong
14. Nguni people
15. Dogon people
16. Yoruba
17. Fulani
18. Bantu Kenya

Fireflame144000:


A 'Y'?

And yes your correct, the test says I'm a mixture of Yoruba, Hausa, and Igbo.

Strange that you would say that, because I am an African American and I took the DNA test through Ancestry.com as well and when I ued the Gedmatch calculators I noticed that depending upon which Gedmatch calculator I used I was a match to Hausa, Igbo, Fulani and Yoruba. Yoruba didn't show up in all of the Gedmatch calculator, but Hausa, Igbo and Fulani did. It is also really strange to see that depending on which calculator you use you can be more related to Hausa people than Igbo and vice versa.

Another thing that I wonder about is whether the Igbo are actually Bantu people, because it seems like when I see other people results it looks like whenever people are Igbo they are also Bantu. Maybe it is just coincidence on the testing that I have seen.

hahn:


Excellent comment!

The moors developed europe but decided to leave the rest of africa in backwardnes. What a joke!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYD9J9Qfe0k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pspFolOHrfI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYYmKd7To04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfcOLRwTdBg


Dealing with the White man put Africa into backwardness.

hahn:


Lol. You are obviously out of words.

One love bro

No. It is just obvious to me that you have mental issues.

hahn:
I guess I'm wrong to have believed that you had any brains. First of all, I'm happily married to an Ijaw woman. I wonder where you got the notion that I was gay.

Secondly, I live in Nigeria and I'm more concerned about what goes on here than what goes on in the states. Naturally

The truth is, man is violent in nature irrespective of colour. The difference between both of us is I'm more concerned about what black men do while you're hell bent on blaming everything on the white man.

Come to kirikiri and see how the black man imprisons his fellow black man in the worst conditions for petty crimes and in a lot of instances for NOTHING. A lot of inmates in ATM are there as a result of "raiding".

And you're talking about white churches? Well, everyone knows white churches sleep with your kid while black churches sleep with your wife. At the end of the day, nobody holy pass.

Yes, I've read about white cops shooting black men in the states but do you know what black cops here do to black men? In panti, we have police officers who kill criminals indiscriminately with out fair trial and sell their kidneys, lungs and other body parts.

Cops here will kill you in the middle of the night if they find you with excess cash. There's a true story of when Nigerian cops killed a Nigerian who came back from the states after living over there for 15years. They killed him and dumped his body on another street. The only reason why people got to know about was because the cab driver who was with him when he was arrested did his own investigation and reported to the man's cousin who was a military personel.

Stop blaming the white man for your problems

You have mental issues. Something is wrong with you. It must be the fact that you claim to be part white and part, which means you are really screwed up.

bigfrancis21:


Even the link you quoted is partially true. In the presence of undeniable evidence, some researchers want to make it seem that, 'oh ok, let us admit that there were 'black pharoahs' of Egypt at some point in the Egyptian dynasty but not all pharoahs were black'. The link you provided mentions that 'african kushites overthrew the egyptians', implying that the egyptians were not africans and were 'different' from the 'african kushites'.

Yes I saw too. That is the 25th dynasty that they are talking about.

Amenhotep and King Tut were from the 18th dynasty which was much earlier, so the Egyptians were black ever before that invasion.

Ramses was from the 19th dynasty, which earlier than the Kushite 25th dynasty.

Additionally, the Nubians are the original creators of the dynasties to begin with; so the whole thing was Black up until the time that the Greeks came and weakened the empire.