Janosky:

You are right oo.

Your "Jehivah's Witnesses is not Christuanity"

But, Jehovah's witnesses are chosen servants of the only true God of Jesus Christ our Messiah.

Acts 3:13 & Isaiah 43:10,21(ASV).

Only in your mind.
Although you can start by pointing out where Jehovah sent Gentiles out to be witnesses for him.
You know not what you day.

jom28gy:
leviathan, is not a King of marine, but a head of government, that lead to the principles of people surrendering themselves to the government (leviathan)

Government of which realm pls

Didijiji:
Please keep shut!

Have you ever taken me or escorted me to the river to do any sacrifice?

If i say may God judge you for this lie now, it will sound extreme.

Any way it doesn't still change the fact that JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD

You can shut me up all you want, but the fact remains that White Garment churches worship the Leviathan. And
, Yes Jesus Christ is always Lord with or without us

How great is our God, let us sing, How great is our God. How great, how great, is our God. 🎶

Didijiji:
hahahahha

It is well with you. You that know there is a marine demon. We don’t know,we don’t care to know

We don’t worship what we don’t know

Jesus Christ is Lord

Jesus Christ the Lord commanded that sacrifices be taken to the rivers abi? Be deceiving yasefs inside this late hour.

When you hear 'Jesus is coming soon' you think it's a joke.

Gajagojo:

I have not sinned and have not fallen

If you choose to be brainwashed that is for you

Even your master Satan the devil knows he has fallen. See this one

bunlizlaw:


Hey you, know this, I will not die but live to declare the works of God. Don't sweat it, I'm no longer a Celestial.

I don't have your time as it appears our time zone is different.I won't respond to you again. Peace out

Be whatever you want girl.

Didijiji:
why are you bringing satanism here?

Abi na you Dey worship satan?

Na who dey live inside water wey una dey go worship na? Jesus Christ? No.
It's the Marine demon na

bunlizlaw:


Oga easy na . This your historical recount isn't true o. As someone who was born in Celestial Church and spent her formative and early adult years in the church , this was not the story of how the founder was called. As much as you want to paint a bad picture of the church, try to be truthful about your story.

It's either you think you can lie about it with the intend to decieve, or, you don't know where you are.

Have you listened to satanists say they don't worship Satan? Righhhhhht.

jom28gy:
how do you know? You don't talk what you don't know,

Are you sure I don't know? Wait, do you people realize that all you do is in the open? People see and know.

People come out from there and confess what is done in the secret of darkness when men are asleep. All the white Garment churches sacrifice to the Leviathan, the king of the marine demons.

Gajagojo:
man fell? From where?

Romans 3:23

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

excel222:
Do you know the amount of evils in your own church? Name the church you attend.. They're lot of evils in the world today even more than the good things or ones.. You can't say there is no evil or bad ones in your church..
God is the judge and not us, so leave judgment for God.. He knows those that truly worship Him..

You are missing the point. We are not talking about human beings who attend a particular church. What I mean is THE ALTER UPON WITH A CHURCH BOWS TO. WHAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF CELE? WHO IS THE GOD BEHIND THE WHITE GARMENT CHURCHES? that's what we are saying.

It's not a matter of people violating laid down principles which guides Christianity.

White Garment churches are Marine worshipers. Their god is the great Leviathan. In Hellenism he is called Poseidon. A snake

E clear you now?

okerekingsley90:


Please sorry what do you mean by "NO MAN LOKS FOR GOD". I DONT UNDERSTAND. so you mean if there sre problems we shouldn't look up to God. I don't understand pls

Looking up to God is not the same thing as looking for God.

Since man fell, the link between God and man broke. From then, anyone who has ever walked with God, God went to them.
People have attempted to look for God ended up in deep occult. Satan presents himself as God to them

bunlizlaw:


Oga easy na . This your historical recount isn't true o. As someone who was born in Celestial Church and spent her formative and early adult years in the church , this was not the story of how the founder was called. As much as you want to paint a bad picture of the church, try to be truthful about your story.

Guy, go and fine out about the root of where you come from. Don't wait to die before you regret

otipoju:


The very first step to knowing is to be objective.
Which means you set aside your biases and preconceived ideas to study a subject.

When Jesus was about to begin his ministry, what happened? He went to John at the River Jordan and was baptized right? After the baptism, a dove appeared in the skies and a voice said. This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus also baptized other people severally in water and so did the disciples for new converts during and after Jesus lifetime. Water babtism is the first step in the official Christian journey.

You will recall that Jesus also used water to wash his disciples feet and reprimanded Peter for being hesitant to allow him wash his feet with water.

Of course, you would say that it was a symbolic expression of servant leadership and there lies the crux of the matter.

Symbols are used to express and make others comprehend timeless and abstract truths to the five senses.

The symbolism behind Christian water babtism is purification . The washing away of filth and beginning of a new fresh clean life

Yes the Celestial Church of Christ uses a lot of items that are symbolic of an eternal truth or principle and these . We know the symbolic interpretation of each object and NONE of it is in honor of Satan or any of his demons. Absolutely NONE. We see Satan , his demons and human agents like witches, wizards and others as defeated enemies of Jesus Christ and we are not afraid of them

Now if I was to reason like you do. Should I not say Jesus got his powers from water spirits. OR that the bird that said this is my son with whom I am well pleased is the one that gave him the power that he was using.

Having said that, there are over 5,000 Celestial parishes in the world. Most are in Cities and industrial areas where there are no bodies of water near by and so a body of water is not a criteria for citing a celestial church of christ parish.

Yes, our Prophets do recommend water baths for a lot of people when they give them messages. But it is usually for new converts who came to the church because of one spiritual problem or the other.

The general idea is that whatever mark that the agents of the devil has put on them spiritually should be washed away so they can begin afresh.

As they grow in spirit, and learn to live righteously and prayerfully, they get to a point where all they do is to decree a thing to be established. They get to rely less and less on symbolic items to support their faith.

As they continue to grow, they get to a point where even their thoughts and meditation of their hearts manifest in real life. I have experienced this stage in my spiritual journey and it's a bit scary as well as exciting and I so i am extremely careful what I think about as i now understand why the bible says " gaurd your heart diligently, for out of it proceeds the issues of life". What I think comes to pass. What I say must come to pass.

However not everyone is at that stage and does not mean that one should look down on them.

Jesus healed and delivered in many different ways based on the level of faith and the spiritual and physical condition or understanding of the person he was dealing with.

While the woman menstruating believed that if she touches Jesus Garment she would be healed, the Military commander told Jesus he did not need to be physically present for his daughter to be restored. He told Jesus to just issue a command...just as he would issue a command to his men and they will carry it out without question.

Now watch closely...in both of their approaches to God, their faith was expressed differently and in both cases it worked for them. God responded to both and granted them their desires.

Therefore if I believe that if I pick up a candle, pray with it and light it, the darkness in my life will dissappear because the light of God triumphs over darkness. Moreso since Jesus said he is the light of the world...I am inviting him as the light to intervene in my matter and repel whatever dark forces may be oppressing me. Do you think God will not honor my faith...even if you might do things differently?


The Bible records the Apostles use of announting Oil to pray for people after Jesus death and resurrection. Also they handkerchiefs and aprons that Paul had used were believed to be infused with divine power.

So that from his [Paul’s] body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.— Acts 19:12

The faith of those people in action...Paul was not there to make a prayer in the name of Jesus. Yet miracles happened to those who believed.

That is why one should be very careful when talking with authority about spiritual matters.humility is key.

Let me even let you into my own way of approaching God. When I have a very tough situation, I sit quitely for several hours reminding myself of God's mercy to me and who i really am then I go into my room, close the doors sing songs of praise and victory for like a hour and half and then begin to issue decress in the name of Jesus. What I asked for I always get.

Remember CCC is a problem solving church. In corporate terms, it is luke the trauma or emergency center of a hospital where patients are brought....as compared to pentecostal churches that are like Disney land.

The skills and tools that you will see in a hospital is different from what you will see in an amusement park...even though both take care of human beings.

Calling a person's belief system demonic without any tangible proof and speaking falsehood about others is really insulting.

The CCC has nothing to hide. Yes due to the nature of what we do, it is so easy for nefarious individuals to masquarade as Celestians and perpetrate all sorts of evil to the desperate people...but we know them and can easily identify them when we see them .

Oga all this long talk wld have just ended if you had answered the question 'What connection does Jesus Christ of Nazareth doing inside the sea? What are you people looking for inside water?

Didijiji:
It is confirmed that you are talking from a position of ignorance. Gross ignorance and it excusable. How will you say all white garment churches do water sacrifice? Please what do you mean by water sacrifice? Please explain so you can better be informed and HELPED

So, you have not done any sacrifice in the water or near the sea?

jom28gy:
Point of correction,by mentioning white garment church,you're trying to groups all churches that wore white as being evil,but you lied.you don't has to categorized all white garment church as one,besides,white garment is a cloth of the saints,so if your talking,you know the one you're talking about.

All of them sacrifice to the Marine, so yes there are one in spirit

SleekAboki:

I dated one goddess back in the uni.She's full bred cele and loved me like crazy so trusted me with all the spiritual baths she does and other stuffs.She was a sexy goddess and the toast of all men but for some strange reasons she picked me.I didn't even open my mouth to talk to her or toast her!

She taught me a lot spiritually.Nothing was hidden between us cos we read each others thoughts and experiment and play in the dream state.The babe has powers no be small!All we have to do was agree on a thing and it magically happens. I met her a virgin and stayed faithful not out of fear of repercussion but for principles.

Anything I touched then turned to gold and I was able to start two companies so wasn't giving her the time and attentions like before............I've seen things in this life and humbled! I hail all the cele and c&s babes in the house.una too much.

Dem still dey deny say nothing evil dey dia.

ShaqFu:

where in the bible are we as christians told to commit adultery, fornication, tell lies, engage in fraud, engage in incest and the likes? You said White garment churches engage in visiting the marine for sacrifices and the likes, now this is you generalizing. Just because a few do this, does it give you the right to generalize and say the whole white garment churches do this?

If you go back to my first post here, I said, if am wrong, I need someone to out me through. We learn every day. I never knew that shedrack Meshach and Abednego were not the first people to be cast into fiery furnace for the sake of God untill few days ago. Now I know that Abraham was the first to be thrown into fire.
So sir, if the white Garment churches do not have it as a doctrine to be doing assignments in the water or beside the waters, pls clarify me.

because all the white Garment churches I know do sacrifices by the waters. ALL.

ShaqFu:

Like I said above, to use the actions of a select few to judge the majority is very wrong of you.

Am sorry about my generalization. I was only stating what seem to be the reality on ground, but seems am mistaken.

So, are you saying with absolute certainty that a select few in White Garment churches are the ones doing these Marine things? Hmmmm. I was thinking that, if that was the case, the Elders of these churches are suppose to be up in arms with these heretic group calling them out for their charlatan activities; but I have never heard that any white Garment church leader raised an out cry that marine operations are being brought into their churches to pollute it.

ShaqFu:

Oshoffa's experience when he founded the Celestial Church is Oshoffa's experience, I wasn't there and it's not in my place to judge that experience. For the fact you judge that experience show the kind of christian you are, you're the kind who is self righteous and overtly holy.

There's no judgement here. I am just doing what the Bible commands us to do. 'Test all spirits...', that's what am doing. Compare scriptures with scriptures. Precepts upon Precepts, statutes upon statutes, line by line. Satan is crafty. If you want to be misled, just accept one small extra Biblical teaching and you are on your way out to Babylon.

ShaqFu:

You're quick to criticize the doings of white garment churches, yet you haven't criticized the actions of other churches who wholeheartedly do such awful things in the name of Christianity.

Again, I apologize. I do not critizise, I critique . There's a difference.
And pls point out any pentecostal doctrine that's anti scripture practice in the pentecostal circle, let's bring it under a crucible of test.

ShaqFu:

Salvation they say, it's personal, seek your own salvation and leave others to seek theirs.

Yes, salvation is personal, but see what the Bible says here;
Galatians 1:8-9
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to and different from that which we preached to you, let him be accursed (anathema, devoted to destruction, doomed to eternal punishment)!

As we said before, so I now say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel different from or contrary to that which you received [from us], let him be accursed (anathema, devoted to destruction, doomed to eternal punishment)!

If we should allow everyone find their way, then the Lord would not have sent out pastors and preachers.

If were to allow everyone in the name of a prophet or pastor do as they like including leading the sheep to hell, The Lord would not have warned us to be ware of the false prophets who will use His name lying that he sent them to decieve many.

We are not even doing what the Bible enjoins us to do.
We, the Christian body is suppose to disassociate ourselves with them entirely.

1 Corinthians 5:11
[b]But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.[/]

Do you know how weigty the sin of idol worship is? If you know you won't be depending this.
What are you people doing with sacrificing things to the water? Does Jesus live inside the ocean?

otipoju:


See as una two just combine dey talk confidently on dem sey dem sey.

Celestial Church of Christ does not worship Angels. We pray to Jehovah through Jesus Christ and command the Angels to do the bidding of Christ...because they are the ministering spirits assigned to deliver the requests of believers who will inherit salvation. Hebrews 1 verse14

So it is not against proper christian doctrine to send angels on errands. They are like invisible body gaurds and spiritual servants to us. Stronger and wiser but they do not have the authority to dominate all of creation that the believer has.

Concerning Moses Orimolade, you have with full confidence told an absolutely false story about him. This is a well documented biography of him.

https://dacb.org/stories/nigeria/orimolade-moses/


Ositelu, Rufus O. O. 2002: African Instituted Churches : diversities, growth, gifts, spirituality and ecumenical understanding of African Initiated Churches.Münster [etc.]: Lit Verlag.


Educate yourself and stop peddling lies.

Celestial Church of Christ did not break put of C and S. It was started in Benin Republic in 1947 when Oschoffa had an encounter with God in the forest on his Timber selling business. Before then he was a member of the Methodist Church and he clearly states that he loved to pray so much.

In the encounter he was told why God appointed him as his servant. There was a big problem with African Christians who had converted from idol worshipping to the orthodox churches like Anglican, Methodist and Babtist. When the had challenges, they reverted back to their old habits and consulted with traditional diviners and healers for solutions.Problem is when they died, in spite of their good deeds and worship...Satan had put his mark on them when they had gone to consult his human agents and so the mark of ownership by Satan prevented them from making heaven.

Therefore, God imbued Oschoffa and by his extension the Celestial Church of Christ with what was lacking in the Orthodox churches.

1. Healing powers
2. Prophetic Mantle...to hear from God,revelations about the source solutions and laser focused prayer points to a person's problems.
3. Authority in the name and blood of Jesus through prayers to break and loose the captives of Satan.
4. Spread the message of salvation through Christ all over the world.

These are the mandates of the Celestial Church of Christ and all these are comprised in the term " Luli " which was translated to him to mean the "Grace of God" meaning Oschoffa and by extension the Celestial Church of Christ did nothing to merit these special gifts but it was the Divine Monergism of God Almighty.

By the design of Jesus Christ, the Church is a problem solving church..to set captives free from the bondage of Satan. That is why in many cases, na problem dey carry person go Cele just like nobody visit the hospital unless sey problem wey pass paracetamol don dey.

If Oschoffa was able to play with a snake and it did mot harm him, how is that different from Apostle Paul's experience in Acts 28 verse 1-6, where a snake bit him and had no effect on him.

I am still at loss to how a Christian who believes that ALL power belongs to Jesus would in the same vein believe that a monkey, snake or bird that was born and are dead by now can give a man Spiritual power.

What Oschoffa saw in the forest was not abnormal.
A monkey, snake and bird are bound to be in the forest .

If Oschoffa and by extension the Celestial Church of Christ was demonic, why would Oschoffa tell all these accounts and include them in the church constitution a public document.? Would it not be common sense for a deceiver to hide the demonic source of his powers.

I'm sorry you guys are not thinking at all and your narrow mindedness is making you not see beyond your nose. Have you ever picked up a Celestial Church of Christ unique hymn book and read the wordings of the songs the sing in church during service to understand their beliefs about Christ?

There is a CCC hymn that says. There is no other way that leads to heaven...sinner it is the name of Jesus that saves.

Another CCC hymn says. It is the precious blood of Jesus that was the propitiation for our sins. Sinner wash yourself in the blood of Jesus and you shall be saved.

Another song says : we have conquered wizards, we have conquered witches, Satan has no power over us, anymore.

Another CCC hymn says. Wizards have been put to shame, witches have been thrown into confusion. The Devil is terrified and has fallen by the power of God in this church.

How can you listen to all these and then say the Celestial Church of Christ is a demon worshipping Church. Okay what are the names of the demons that we serve as revealed to you? May God forgive you both for slandering the church with minimal or zero knowledge about it.

I have a book by Professor Adogame who did many years of thorough academic research on the Celestial Church of Christ.

Stop listening to dem.say dem say

Celestial Church of Christ: The Politics of Cultural Identity in a West African Prophetic-charismatic Movement

https://books.google.com/books/about/Celestial_Church_of_Christ.html?id=H7n9GAAACAAJ

I have the soft copy somewhere. I can send in an email to you if you want

Professor Olupona also wrote something about African Instituted Churches..

Ositelu Ositelu, Rufus O. O. 2002: African Instituted Churches : diversities, growth, gifts, spirituality and ecumenical understanding of African Initiated Churches.Münster [etc.]: Lit Verlag.

These are excellent professors who did adequate research into the history and belief systems of these churches.

It is after you do thorough research about something that you can form a opinion about it.

Can you answer me just one question? Why their obsession with the Sea or ocean? Any water body at all. Weda na rain puddle o, na water for them. Why pls

otipoju:


Bro leave that guy alone...you are just wasting your time. His type are trained to be very narrow minded...they can't see beyond their nose.

First off, am not a guy. Secondly, I am very opened minded. I am a seeker. If there's the truth, I want to know. I go to the ethimologies or the roots of belief systems to be sure Satan is not blindsiding people to hell. He can very well masquerade with the intent to mislead, and he has very smart servants he uses to do that.

I am here to discuss with you, no insults just facts. Let's talk

ShaqFu:

Didn't an angel also appear to Joseph telling him Mary was going to give birth to Jesus?

I believe you know that this is not about Angels appearing to humans. It's about our dealing with them. How far shd it go? Are we as Christians permitted or mandated to petition them, seek help and guidance from them? Shd we call upon them in time of needs? Shd we worship them? This is the bone of contention, not that Angels appear or shd not appear to us. Angels appear to humans every day. One has appeared to me with a message from the Lord. He helped me cross a very wide River.
I had a revelation last year where I saw myself abandoned on the other side of the River.
I was alone, the river had overflown it's banks and covered the whole land up to the tress. The current was to great that, even tho I can swim, there's no way I wld have swam across that River. I was standing inside water as there was no seen land on both sides of the River banks. Both sides of the river was just water and trees. And the worst part was, it was dusk.

So, I was faced with being alone, no human being on sight. No canoe, which I can't even paddle if there was one. The current was so high, and it was dusk.
As I stood there contemplating my plight, he came walking on water. I can't never forget this experience till I die. He came so close to me, held my face with his two hands, place his forehead on my forehead and spoke from his core to my core (the words shut from the middle of his being, like from the middle of his spinal cord to mine and said, The Lord Jesus Christ said I should tell you not to worry). Afterwards, he helped me cross that River without any boat.

An Angel appeared to a little girl of 10 yrs under my care. She manifested and later confessed her dealings with the Maine kingdom. Three times, I had successfully Cast out the demons from her. The lady episode, the demon spoke from and challenged me that he wld re-enter her. I cried to God to help me before she will initiate other children in the orphanage. She went to school, they appeared to her and gave an earing to wear one of the girls in the home. She collected the earing and after school wore the child, the other girl resisted and immediately removed it. She was strictly warned not to tell me about it.

I was doing our annual prayer and fasting at the time, so I was in church. She accepted not to tell me, because the demons convinced her that I was the enemy. She went on to do her homework, an ANGEL (she knew it was an Angel), appeared to her telling her who appeared her were and told her to tell me immediately I get home. He instructed her to tell me to take her to a man of for deliverance and will be permanently delivered. And I did.

Why did I take time to type all of these? It's to let you know that Angels still appear to ordinary people even today.

But, when angel appears to you and afterwards you build a religion or a basic doctrine based on what the Angel told you. Hmmmm. Ask Muhammad or Joseph Smith.

Again, Which Angels appears as snake, monkey and a Bird?

ShaqFu:
tell me, if an angel can appear to Mary and Joseph telling them Jesus will be born, why can't an angel appear to the founders of white garment churches?

Angel can appear to you, but if that Angel tells you to build a church or a doctrine that will contradict the Word of Christ, question the identity and intention of that Angel.

ShaqFu:

As regard the emboldened, I can also ask you the same pertaining to other men of God in Nigeria, particularly those in pentecostal churches, who or what appeared to them telling them to start these churches?

Definitely not a misterious snake with one human teeth. Not a yellow monkey with wings and the feet of a Bat, not a bird with multiple colours that speaks.

I am a winner and Bishop David Oyedepo talks about the 18 hours vision/encounter he had with God before he was commissioned to start Winners Chapel. It's all there printed on the church website. Can celestial church or any white Garment church be confident enough to post their leaders encounters on their websites?

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ShaqFu:

the tenet which most white garment churches are built on is the same as the tenet many churches are built on.

You mean the Christian Church has a connection to water bodies where spiritual baths are done. Where sacrifices are done? There is no white Garment Church that does have dealings with the marine. Where in the Bible are we as Christians enjoined to always go to the water bodies for activities? Does YHWH live under the sea? Pls give me references.

ShaqFu:

The tenet which Nigeria is built on is Unity and Faith, Peace and Progress but you and I can say it's a far cry from the way many Nigerians act.

I know. It's a different thing for a law to be given, it's a different thing for that law to be adhered to. Adam is a very prime example for that. But, that's not the case with the white Garment churches. Take The Celestial Church for example. How was it founded? I mean the encounter that birthed it.

The leader was in the forest believed to be praying. There was a solar eclipse, when it cleared off, in his presence was a Yellow Snake, a Yellow monkey an d a multicolored birth. He was transfixed and couldn't talk. He heard a supernatural voice which spoke and said 'Luli'. He received an inspiration or may I say interpretation of the meaning to be 'The Grace of Jesus Christ'.
Check Luli in Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek. The three languages of the Bible, you will never find that lexicon in those languages.

Amongst the initiates (Inner circle) of the Celestial Church, it's believed that Oshoffa's powers comes from the Snake.

The last time a snake appeared to a human speaking with a human voice, we know who was hiding behind the serpent.

My biggest question is 'What with the Marine?'

otipoju:


Guy just shut up please you are not making any sense.

I have consistently asked you pertinent questions that you have had no answer for other than regurgitating things that have been programmed to you like a robot.

I've weighed you on the scales of biblical exegesis and you are as light as a feather.

The person you are talking to spent 5 good years in O.A.U Ile-Ife studying the various expressions of Religion and Philosophy in an academic setting with critical thinkers as lecturers.

Seminary trained and ordained Reverends and Pastors from various demoninations were my class mates and Lecturers.

Wetin you sabi about biblical interpretation: do you know what is called Trito Isaiah or have you ever heard about the Yahweh and Elohist sources of some Bible texts. Or do you know anything about the various methods of Biblical criticism such as textual, source, form, and literary criticism.

Go and take several back seats for you are what we used to call back the " untrained bible readers".

You know nothing about Christianity...you can continue to do your unintelligible blabbing like a mad man and be deceiving yourself that you are speaking in tounges.

Shekerebo bobo madush ma ga gusky.

Whatever the hell that means to you.

God told the Israelites to burn incense to him in prayers but your big head here is telling me that it is demonic and because it is not commanded by Jesus Christ.

You don't study the Holy Spirit in the University. You will end up empty without the knowledge of the underlying reality of God. . God reveals himself to the humble, not the proud.
That's how Satan gets them without them even knowing.

No man looks for God, if you try, it's Satan you will end up with. God has always gone to those he chooses.

Didijiji:
So the disciples paid tithe?

Yes they did. becos they were Jews. It was already embedded in their religion. So yes they did.
This is how I know.

Matt23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: [/b]these ought ye to have done,[/b] and not to leave the other undone.

What the Lord is saying here is that, pay your tithe also do the other things. But the Jews were paying more attention to tithing.

FxMasterz:


Thanks for the clarification about Oshoffa. I've heard the luli luli stuff before but I didn't have these details. You can see why these guys on Nairaland would never accept anything contrary to their church doctrines? They were fully aware of what they were involving themselves in even before signing up. There's no way you can hear a founder sharing this kind of experience like that of Oshoffa without knowing for sure that it's a demonic encounter. They know they're not serving the Lord but want to use scriptures as a camouflage to defend falsehood. Even a complete novice in the things of God knows that a man commissioned by a monkey, bird and snake is a messenger of hell.

See how Dijijiji rushed to deny your clarifications about Orimolade. He knows fully well that such an experience is satanic. He'll prefer it not be mentioned here. They're not ignorant of what they're doing. These are workers of darkness disguising themselves as agents of light.

Please if you.know anything about Movement Church, kindly share. God bless you real good.

Most of them don't know about the root of their founders, those who know wld rather not talk about it.

I don't know anything about The Movement'. I will check them out

Didijiji:
if you touch tithe you don kill them o. No go that side

But Jesus Christ preached Tithe na. Read your Bible. Line by line, precepts upon Precepts.
As a matter of face, it is Jesus who takes the Tithe of the New Testament church

FxMasterz:


Wow, you're very knowledgeable about these white garment churches. So, it was a snake with human head that commissioned Orimolade? Wonders shall never end. That's surely a demonic commissioning. Thank you for the enlightenment. Meanwhile, the ignorant members would be looking for scriptures to back up those weird encounters. They'll start turning the word of God upside down and start misinterpreting scriptures.

There's a white garment church that pulled out from C&S. They're called Movement. I don't know much about them but they don't burn candies, go to rivers or do incantations. I visited one of their pastors some years ago and was shocked to see Kenneth Hagin's books on his table. I'm not conversant with their entire doctrines and activities but I know they're different.

Please tell me more about how Cele was founded. I'll really appreciate it. I think it's high time I started researching deeply into these things.

That one is worst sef.
On the 23rd of May 1947, there was an eclipse of the sun, Oshoffa was lost in the forest (The Forest of Transformation). When the eclipse cleared, he saw a Snake, a Monkey and a Bird. Suddenly, he heard a voice voice saying Luli', which he understood to mean 'The Grace of Jesus Christ'. The monkey was white, it had two teeth. One up, one down. The monkey had wings, and had legs like that of a Bat.

The bird had yellow feet, yellow beak and a long tail.
The snake was very short (1ft long). He started playing with the short snake afterwards, he felt different. In the inner circle of the CCC, it is believed that the source is Oshoffa's power is from the snake.

Goggle it. It's there in the internet.

Didijiji:
See your mouth.....
yhen yhen yhenn

so you dont think he had issues in the church that made him leave? Now e don become say he met Christ...

So there is no Christ in White garment churches. I would love to listen to the message.

It will be glad to have him come for an open debate with members that knew him them in Aggrey road PH.

Lolzzzzz. Oh, so you know some people who knew him before he left the Church? Well, he received his encounter in Lagos, not in Port Harcourt. But good luck with the debate.

FxMasterz:

You can just imagine. Their founders even have connections with rivers and perform sacrifices at nights. Well, I think that should apply to Celestial. Moses Orimolade who founded C&S [/b]was a true man of God[/b]

You can without a doubt vouch for that? Sir, do you know that Moses Orimolade was into Timber business when one of those days he was in the forest cutting wood when a snake appeared to him with a human face, with only one tooth of a human, speaking with the voice of a human, telling him that he was chosen to serve God in the capacity of a prophet?
This creature presented itself like a special Angel to Moses Orimolade.
Do you know that this was the encounter he had that made him leave his business and ventured ministry? Pls tell me how this can be from Jesus.

The name alone "Cherubim and Seraphim" signifise that their adherence is to Arch Angels instead of Jesus. Sir, do you know that humans are not permitted to summon Angels for anything? We are to petition YHWH, they Jesus will dispatch Angels to attend to us.

Sir, Cherubim and Seraphim worships Angels, and it's a sin. Angels don't accept worship from men. So, any Angel who accepts worship from men is not from God. That's Satan sir.

FxMasterz:

The C&S was bastardized after him when his successors couldn't replicate the miracles he performed.

In true Christianity, miracles, signs and wonders are not the bases to judge a true Christian or a ministry backed my Jesus the founder of the church. The word of God and the sound doctrine primarily based on the scripture is what we use in judging the member of the body of Christ.

Jesus warned us to watch out, because when false prophets come, it is miracles they will use to decieve many.

FxMasterz:

They resorted to unwholesome fetish practices to keep their members. You can see a few Godly C&S churches today but they're very rare.

How wow. This what I was looking for. I need someone to put me through. If they are solely Scriptural doctrines in S&C that are not extra Biblical, I wld need to know. So, tell me sir. God bless.

FxMasterz:

The same cannot be said of Cele. The very foundation of that church is faulty.

How so? Didn't Cele break out of S&C?
The name Celestial -Means 'Heavenly body'. Extra Terrestrial.
The Earth is Terrestrial, the spiritual is Celestial. Still worship of Angels. But this is more marine that sky.

FxMasterz:

Would you care to share what you read about Osofa? I read a lot of different stories about him. I don't even know what to believe. All the stories about his call to ministry are actually very weird.

All of the white Garment churches have very weird encounters. Very weird.

ShaqFu:
Is. There any church in Nigeria where insane and ungodly practices doesn't happen? Why single out white garment churches?

I agree, evil people or unreasonable people who join associations or organizations carrying on with their previous held values, are in every church. But, that's not the case here. The point under review here is the tenets upon which the white Garment churches are built on.

In Islam for example, there's a branch of Islam called Sofism. Sofism is a metaphysical sec (the practice of spiritism) within Islam which deals with black magic, enchantments and spells. In Nigeria here, the Alphas are into that Branch of islam. They practice Spiritism using the umbrella of Islam. This sec was morphed into Islam from the Druid religion when Islam conquered the Middle East, they continued their practices inside Islam. Will you now say Wahabism, the Shi'at sec, the Sunna Islam and the other branches are practicing black magic? No. But, you can't erase the fact that satanic agenda is being fostered inside Islam.

Black magic is the base of Sofi Islam, so if anyone wants to say SoFism is not satanic in Islam, then we wld have to go right back to the beginning and check.
Now, back to Christianity and the the peculiar belief system of the White Garment churches and their practices in Nigeria, will you say they stand solely on the commandments of the Bible as handed down from the Lord Jesus Christ?.

Well, if you say some individuals amongst them are falsifying scriptures, hence planting heresies in the church, let us also go back to their founders and their individual specific encounters which let to them starting the churches? Was it God indeed who called them, or an Angel appeared to them?
If an Angel appeared to them, can we say what they were told aligns with the dictates of scriptures?

Didijiji:
Have you asked about the issue that made him leave? Or you think he just left?

Oh, he met Christ and got born again. He was living in Lagos at the time. He had an encounter with the Lord Jesus, so he left. I have listened to that message. Am not a member of his church tho