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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMNFQ4tLRFc

What do you all think about this video?

So do you guys learn about your country? Like it's formation and past leaders?

lovelygurl:


Loool I am kind of searching for the same answers

1) I read about that too BUT most sites I visit are just too racist, too one sided. I'm looking for sth. neutral. We all know history can be influenced by the people telling the story.

2) I think first the African leaders sold some slaves to the white man in exchange of some cheap stuffs. Later on, they just took the people. Those who were not taken to America were also slaves who were led by their "masters"

3) The mummies found had African features. The pictures drawn by them on the walls displayed them as blacks, even the hair.

5) Unfortunately most sources got destroyed by "colonisation". Who knows if someone will still be able to speak Igbo/Yoruba in 500 years to come. Colonisation did us bad

Glad you found the thread! I do want more detailed info on who these "leaders" were. They had to have had details, letters something on who exactly they were trading with. Have you heard of the story of Mansa Musa (or something similar) a Mali king who supposedly sent ships over to the Americas? I haven't verified any of it but maybe some africans can confirm or dispell it as myth. Where are you from?

FortuneTeller:


Nigerians sold their fellow brothers and sisters into slavery. They led the white man to their own brothers and sisters mostly due to greed...in particular the Igbos and the ones gathered around Port Harcourt. Be careful here because they will sell you again if someone gives them enough money.

Do you have any sources for this information? I am not trying to create division among African peoples only learn about the past.

AjaanaOka:
Anothergirl,

None of my degrees is in history or even the social sciences, so I wouldn't know much about the history curricula in Nigerian universities, but I'd imagine Nigerian academics created the current curriculum; I'd also imagine there'd still be lingering influences from the British edcuation system inherited from colonialism.

Indigenous North Africans couldn't possibly have been "white".

I know 'Caucasoid' doesn't mean 'white', and I didn't say 'Caucasoid' North African types are white. I have already state in an earlier response that I don't think North Africans are white. 'Caucasoid' is a much broader grouping than white.

I learnt no history whatsoever - none at all - in primary school. It was the same when I went to secondary school - nothing! The state of history education in Nigeria is really deplorable. But I've always been an avid reader of history. Everything I know about African and African American history I taught myself

OMG i thought we had it bad in the states. That is CRAZY! is that typical of Nigerian education? When I did a quick search of on the Lagos University website I could not find any history programs of study. I had once read that some Africans did not know we were enslaved and I honestly thought it was rubbish but if they did not learn any history I can now see the truth of the statement. Amazing. I will look more into it and hope others share their experiences.

Akeemqudsi:

Most definitely, yea it seems western semetic is European which is obsurd but whatever. Yea you are majority from the Southwestern Nigeria area.
Here's mine:

Population
Nilo_Saharan 1.33
Ubangian_Congo 1.39
W_Benue_Congo 52.60
Eastern_HG 1.27
E_Benue_Congo 24.22
Omotic 2.09
Southern_HG 4.41
Western_Semitic

ok cool, do you know that area well? so could i say i am part nigerian at this point?

Martin124:
yeah you extremely right,if you serious about it,I will help you out...

Help me out!

@Hati13 thanks for sharing! I will read your thread when I get a chance, its good to get your perspective. I am familiar with most of what you have stated on Ethiopia, it seems like its west and central africa that the history is a bit lost.

@ajannaoka Thanks for the replies, the university in Nigeria, who created the curriculum? I just tried googling the university of lagos history department and can't find anything on their falculty/professors. In the states usually there is information on where they went to school and links to some of their work. I would love to see a list of work done by Africans on African History with primary sources.

As for North Africans, there seems to be a lot of those who believe that North Africa was indigenous to "white/europeans" but this contradicts other sources that state the people were dark skinned.

Also, Caucasoid skulls don't necessarily mean white ("Caucasoid,[1] or Europid[2]) is a grouping of human beings historically regarded as a biological taxon, which, depending on which of the historical race classifications used, have usually included some or all of the ancient and modern populations of Europe, the Caucasus, Asia Minor, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia, Central Asia and South Asia.[3]In biological anthropology, Caucasoid has been used as an umbrella term for phenotypically similar groups from these different regions, with a focus on skeletal anatomy, and especially cranial morphology, over skin tone.[4] Ancient and modern "Caucasoid" populations were thus held to have ranged in complexion from white to dark brown"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race). I found an article about a "caucasoid skull" from 37K years ago, but they state specifically that the dna of the person showed they don't have white skin. White skin developed more recently like within the last 10k years or less. It seems kind of confusing but that may be for another thread.

What kind of history did you learn about Africa and African Americans in primary school?

Akeemqudsi:
o ok. Im sorry I misunderstood. Go to

1.admixture(heritage)
2. Select punt DNA (leave the bullet selection where it is
3. Select punt DNA (Africa Only)

This way it gives way more info. If you don't figure it out this way pm me we'll figure it out

Thanks, here are my results:

Nilo_Saharan 6.44
Ubangian_Congo 2.03
W_Benue_Congo 34.34
Eastern_HG 0.79
E_Benue_Congo 18.17
Omotic 4.82
Southern_HG 1.70
Western_Semitic 31.72

Im pretty sure the western semitic is just white...but looks like i am mostly from the Congo??

Akeemqudsi:


O ok. Yea i would roll with results sis

I do not understand your response? I was asking which gedmatch test is most accurate?

@ajaanaoka Where are you from in Africa? What is your educational level, what university did you go to if any?

Have you heard of the Lemba Jews? Have you seen the map that shows a place in west africa as home of jews? I have to find the picture to post.

North Africans: So You see the indigenous north africans as people of color? not black or white? Ok, why is that? Have you looked into genetic studies? How are both "genuine black minority" groups and "people of color" indigenous to North Africa?

Sub Saharan term: Have you read this article? See below, I used to think it was just geographical too but a little research has me thinking it may be more too it than just geography.

"The example of South Africa is appropriate here. Prior to the formal restoration of African majority government in 1994, South Africa was never designated ‘sub-Sahara Africa’, unlike the rest of the 13 African-led states in southern Africa, which were also often referred to at the time as the ‘frontline states’. South Africa then was either termed ‘white South Africa’ or the ‘South Africa sub-continent’ (as in the ‘India sub-continent’ usage, for instance), meaning ‘almost’/‘partially’ a continent - quite clearly a usage of ‘admiration’ or ‘compliment’ employed by its subscribers to essentially project and valorise the perceived geostrategic potentials or capabilities of the erstwhile regime.

But soon after the triumph of the African freedom movement there, South Africa became ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ in the quickly adjusted schema of this representation" https://www.pambazuka.org/governance/what-exactly-does-%E2%80%98sub-sahara-africa%E2%80%99-mean

My local library is not going to carry books researched by africans on their own cultures. Out of the 8k results that pop up, I get one that is on African History and it was written in 1972 by a white person. I live in the states...

Thanks for your answers, I am not looking to argue, I do want honest opinions from Africans born in raised in Africa.

@afrobear: so do you think the Moors were "black" people or what? See this post on Quora there isnt a consensus of what they were. https://www.quora.com/Were-the-North-Africans-known-as-Moors-Black-Why-or-why-not

For American history education, prior to University level, we aren't generally taught about the Moors rule over Spain. In one of my university classes my professor mentioned it briefly, but that was it. When I speak to other people who the moors were(other history majors) there is a push that the Moors weren't actually black, any blacks there were slaves or soldiers. So I want a perspective from other countries on what you were taught and what you believe.

Regarding Arabs...what do yall think of this video? I haven't seen all of it but at about 10:15 min mark there is a guy who says his people are arabs and have always been on the land and are not descendants of slaves.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7q_1pT08Zw

Afobear: so Yorubas and Igbos originated in west africa in what year? could you point me in the right direction to find sources on this information? Its hard, because based on wikipedia I read this:

"As of the 7th century BCE the African peoples who lived in Yorubaland were not initially known as the Yoruba, although they shared a common ethnicity and language group. By the 8th century, a powerful Yoruba kingdom already existed in Ile-Ife, one of the earliest in Africa.

The historical Yoruba develop in situ, out of earlier Mesolithic Volta-Niger populations, by the 1st millennium BCE. Oral history recorded under the Oyo Empire derives the Yoruba as an ethnic group from the population of the older kingdom of Ile-Ife. The Yoruba were the dominant cultural force in southern Nigeria as far back as the 11th century.[34]"

so what were they called before the term "yorubaland" I am assuming yoruba is a colonial term (created by europeans)?

Thanks for responding @haiti13 and @afobear!

Hati13: Do you live in Ethiopia? I have read and seen pictures of black looking christian paintings. Some say that Christianity became widespread by Ethiopian peoples who taught the religion to Europeans. Is there any truth to this? How big was Ethiopia at it's peak? Is it true that at one time in history Ethiopia was the name of all Africans?

As far as North Africans, some say the Berbers were originally dark skinned(similar to the color of actor Denzel Washington or basketball player Lebron James. Some Americans believe that North Africans were originally white people who later mixed with darker people to get the people of today. Who do you think the original inhabitants of North Africa were, who are original berbers? What race is an Arab (is it not just a religion, I thought they could be any race).

What do you know about Moors? I have read about Moors,Berbers and Arabs as if they are all the same people, but in pictures they look different.

Do you think that Ethiopians have recent admixture or did they originally look that way without mixing?

As for the subsaharan term could you explain further? I read this article what do you think of it:http://www.newzimbabwe.com/opinion-34414-Reject+racist+term+Sub+Saharan+Africa/opinion.aspx. Prior to reading it, I always thought the term was due to location only, but if anyone was seriously considering south africa as not a part of sub saharan africa than that would be an issue. I guess in the states there is a lot of talk about africans being "sub-human" by racists and so the sub saharan term can subconsciously denote that idea. Plus there seems to be a push to consider north africa not really african especially in the genetic communities (DNA testing forums).

What kind of education did you get in history? I wonder who writes the african history books/educational material. I am trying to get a perspective from Africans themselves so anything you share would be helpful.

THere are no prices listed...how do you know whether or not its really cheap?

Just wondering...what is the average price or price range for a suit? I am in the states and wanted to check prices. Depending on where you go, it could range from $50-300+ USD.

So African women don't know how to properly care for their natural hair? Has this always been the case? The excuse in the states is slavery...so what is the excuse in Africa? Don't mean to sound rude, I am just amazed that (if this post is true) there are black women who grow up around black people in black countries who do not know how to care for their own hair.

Who is the lady in the picture with weave on?

Don't be shy! I am new but I have an open mind. Just wanted to get yall thoughts.

Akeemqudsi:
Try uploading the raw data to dna.land or gedmatch.com. I did both and they give decent info. I wouldnt take ever bit of info from it but if the percentage is high then the likelihood of truth is strong. But dont trust the african ancestry one its a Gimmick.( i know that sounds bad but it's true

I have done that...which gedmatch test is most accurate?

Do yall trust dna testing? I wonder who does the test, like do they take university students or go to random small communities in villages? Anyone taken one before? 23andme is doing a free test for africans, here is the link: https://www.23andme.com/africa-project/

My parents tested with Ancestry.com and both are from a ton of tribes (their African Portion). What do yall think of these results? How can I figure out actual ethnicity/tribe since the countries are fairly new? Like it lists countries and outdated names like "hunter gatherers"? isn't that kind of offensive? Based on my mom and dad(below) what kind of African would you consider them? Thanks in advance...

My mom is 52% African=
Nigeria 17%
Senegal 13%
Cameroon/Congo 7%
Benin/Togo 5%
Ivory Coast/Ghana 3%
Africa Southeastern Bantu 2%
Africa North 2%
Mali 2%
Africa South-Central Hunter-Gatherers 1%

My dad is African 88%=
Cameroon/Congo 33%
Ivory Coast/Ghana 18%
Senegal 15%
Nigeria 12%
Africa Southeastern Bantu 4%
Benin/Togo 3%
Africa South-Central Hunter-Gatherers 2%
Mali

What do you mean by being born equal? Having the same qualities/abilities of another? I would say no. I think the problem is we want to say everyone is born equal because it sounds politically correct but the reality is no we are not. We are all different and unique and instead of pretending we are "equals" we should welcome our diversity.

Of course, the issue is that some people will then want to discriminate against others. So, there should be laws in place to prevent discrimination and programs to implement the idea that every person should have basic human rights regardless of race or gender or condition.

Regarding feminism, i think the idea is great. That women should be able to live with the same rights as men. BUT I think in a lot of cases that has warped into the idea that women are the same as men. NO they are different and gender roles are important and require balancing. To tip the scale too much toward feminism can be just as detrimental to a society as one with only special privileges for men.

I am an American and would like to get an African perspective on our history. There are a ton of misconceptions and ideas floating around under the umbrella of "afro-centrism). Here are some questions:

1)Is there any truth to claims of Hebrew Israelite? There are different theories, but most I have read assert that Africans/west africans are actually the real Jews who fled from Egypt.

2) Who sold African Americans into slavery? What is the consensus? Why?

3) Are north Africans black or white?

4)Do you think the term "sub-saharan" is racist?

5)Where can I find information on African History written by Africans themselves who aren't a part of the eurocentric educational system?

6)Where do Yoruba/Igbo people come from?

can someone message me how to start a post?? i am new