Bismillah Walhamdulillah Was Salaatu Was Salaam 'ala Rasulillah
As-Salaam Alaikum Wa-Rahmatullahi Wa-Barakatuhu

Narrated Anas (Radi-Allahu 'anhu):

A funeral procession passed in front of the Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) and the people praised the deceased. The Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) said, "It has been affirmed ( Paradise)." Then another
funeral procession passed by and the people talked badly of the deceased.The Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) said, "It has been affirmed (Hell)." Allah's Apostle was asked, "O Allah's Apostle! You said it has been affirmed for both?" The Prophet (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) said[b],"The testimony of the people (is accepted), for) the believer are Allah's witnesses on the earth."[/b]

Bukhari Vol. 3 : No. 810

I pray that may people continue to say good things about us and by achieving this,we should observe our solat regularly because it erases minor sins, be in company of good people and be known for good behaviour, increase in piety, good relationship with everybody, assist the needy (sadaqah) (Hope am not missing anything)

Barka Jumuah

The Depressions of a Faithless Society

God declares in the Qur'an that He has created mankind according to a certain disposition in the verse: "So set you your face steadily and truly to the Faith: (establish) God's handiwork according to the pattern on which He has made mankind." ( Surat al-Room, 30). The disposition of mankind relies on being a servant to God and having faith in Him. Since man is unable to meet his unlimited wishes and needs by himself, he naturally needs to humble himself before God and turn to Him.

If the individual lives in accordance with this disposition, he attains true confidence, peace, happiness and salvation. If he denies this disposition and turns away from God, he spends his life in distress, fear, anxiety and grief.

This rule, which is true for man, also holds true for societies. If a society is comprised of people who believe in God, it becomes a just, peaceful, happy and wise society. Unquestionably, the opposite also holds true. If a society is unaware of God, then the order of such a community is basically ruined, corrupt and primitive.

When societies that have turned away from God are examined, this fact is readily seen. One of the most important results of irreligious thought is the abolishment of the concept of morality and the development of completely corrupt societies. Transgressing religious and moral bounds, and catering exclusively to the satisfaction of human wishes, this culture is a system of oppression in the fullest sense of the word. In such a system, all sorts of degeneracies from sexual perversion to drug addiction are encouraged. Eventually, societies that are devoid of human love and are egoistic, ignorant, shallow and nonsensical have grown up.

In a society where people live only for the satisfaction of their own desires, it surely is not possible to maintain peace, love and amity. In such a society, human relations depend on mutual interests. An extreme feeling of distrust prevails. When there is no reason for one to be sincere, honest, reliable or well-behaved, nothing stands in the way of dissimulation, falsehood, or betrayal. The members of such societies have "cast God away behind their backs (with contempt)" (Surah Hud, 92) and thus never acknowledged the fear of God. Since they cannot "make a just estimate of God", they are unmindful of the day of judgement and the day of account. For them, hell is nothing more than an idea appearing in religious books. None of them think that they shall have to give an account of themselves in the presence of God after their death for all the sins they have committed during their lives in this world, or that they may ultimately be doomed to an eternal life of torment in hell. Even if they do think about it, they suppose that they will enter paradise after they "pay for their sins", as it is expressed in this verse:

This because they say 'The Fire shall not touch us but for a few numbered days': For their forgeries deceive them as to their own religion. (Surat Al-e-Imran, 24)

Thus they are led to spend their lives doing their best to satisfy their own desires and needs.

This situation naturally brings on the ethical degeneration and moral collapse that we see in many societies today. In their own reasoning they suppose "we have come into this world but once and will live for only 50-60 years and then die, so let us get the best of things here". The thought system based on this erroneous reasoning may bring with it all kinds of injustice, prostitution, theft, crime and immorality. One subscribing to it may become involved in all kinds of crime, homicide, or fraud. When every individual thinks of nothing but the satisfaction of his own needs and desires, everyone else--including his family and friends--have secondary importance. Other individuals in society have no importance whatsoever.

In a social structure that rests on interest relations to a large degree, the mutual distrust of people hinders the formation of peace both at the social and individual level and it causes people to live permanently in a state of doubt, unease and irresolution. Not knowing by whom, when or how misdeeds will be committed in such a society, people live spiritually in a condition of great fear and distress. General distrust and suspicion cause them to lead very unhappy lives. In a society where all kinds of moral values are disregarded, the outlook of people on notions such as family, honesty and chastity is quite alarming, for they have no fear of God.

In such societies, the lives of people do not rely on mutual love and respect. Its members feel no need to show respect to each other. They do not display a caring attitude to each other without a good cause. Actually, they are quite right, in terms of their ignorant reasoning, in behaving this way. They are taught throughout their lives that they have evolved from animals and that their souls will be lost forever upon their death. They therefore deem it meaningless to respect a body of ape origin that will rot under the earth and that they will never see again. In their corrupt logic, "all the others as well as themselves are to die and be buried under the earth, their bodies will decay and their souls will vanish. So why would they bother to do good to other people, and be self-sacrificing? “Indeed, these thoughts permeate the subconscious of everyone who has no belief in God or, therefore, in the hereafter. In societies with no belief in God, there is no basis for peace, happiness, or confidence.

The purpose of all we have said is not to suggest that "degeneration occurs in societies where there is no belief in God, therefore there must be belief in God." God must be believed in because God exists and whoever denies Him commits a great sin before Him. Our intention in noting that societies where belief in God does not exist become corrupt is to emphasize that the fundamental viewpoints of these societies are wrong. Wrong viewpoints lead to ill consequences. A society that commits the biggest sin of denying God, is sure to suffer the worst outcomes. These outcomes are worthy of attention because they show how mistaken this society is.

The common characteristic of such societies is their being deceived as a whole. As stated in the verse, "Were you to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead you away from the way of God." (Surat al-Anaam, 116), that most of society share a common character creates a "mass" psychology that reinforces the already-existing disbelief. God describes such societies that are unmindful of Him and the hereafter as "ignorant" in the Qur'an. Even though the members of this society may study physics, history, biology or similar sciences, they do not have the sense and conscience to acknowledge the power and might of God. And they are ignorant in that sense.

Because the members of an ignorant society are not devoted to God, they go astray from His path in different ways. They follow people who are incompetent servants of God just like themselves, taking them as examples and adhering to their ideas as absolute truths. Ultimately an ignorant society ends up a closed society that increasingly blinds itself, becoming further and further divorced from reason and conscience. As we have stated at the beginning, the most notable aspect of this system is that members of such a society act in consonance with anti-religious indoctrination.

God describes in the Qur'an with a striking parable how such a life, resting upon a vain and corrupt basis, is destined to be ruined:

Which then is best? He that lays his foundation on piety to God and His good pleasure? Or he that lays his foundation on an undermined sand-cliff ready to crumble to pieces? And it does crumble to pieces with him, into the fire of hell. And God does not guide people that do wrong. (Surat at-Tawba, 109)

There is yet another point to be remembered: every society and every person has the opportunity to be rid of the indoctrination, way of life and philosophy of ignorance. God sends them messengers who warn them and inform them of the existence of God and the hereafter and who tell them the real meaning of life. And along with His messengers He sends righteous books that answer all the questions that are derived from the very conscience of people. This is the law of God that has existed since eternity. In our day, the guide of all people is the Qur'an, which shows the right way and leads people from darkness to light. People will be judged according to their own preferences. The messenger who brought the book to people thus called out to them:

Say: "O you men! Now Truth has reached you from your Lord! Those who receive guidance, do so for the good of their own souls; those who stray, do so to their own loss: and I am not (set) over you to arrange your affairs. (Surah Yunus, 108)

Ahmadiyyah again Hope you know that there is Ahmadiyyah Muslimah Jam'ah and Ahmaddiyah Movement?

Qur'an Your Gateway to a New World


If we are like most Muslims, we probably have a copy of the Qur'an somewhere in our home. We may not know where it is, but that is only because we never needed to look for it. Most often, it occupies the top shelf in any stack of books (ensuring maximum accessibility! ), or found wrapped in multiple layers of decorated cloth (ensuring optimum visibility!) . More likely than not, it's the one book with the most dust on it and the one we are least likely to pick for our night-time reading. There is a reason we treat this 'holy book' in such a disgraceful manner: we do not know why we have it and why we need it in the first place.

By our indifference, we have ignored its awesome power to change people and transform societies. By our misguided love for the physical Book, we have made it "untouchable" , suitable only for occasional mouthing of its syllables, but otherwise to be stored away. By our overemphasis on minute details, we have erected barriers between the Qur'an and ourselves, counting on someone else to tell us how to understand it, so that we hardly ever interact with it personally!


The Qur'an as Reality

"Allah. There is no god but He, the Ever-living, the Self-subsisting [by whom all subsist]. He has sent down upon you the Book with the Truth , as a guidance unto mankind" (Qur'an 3: 2-3)

For those who heard it for the first time from the lips of the Prophet, blessings and peace be on him, the Qur'an was a living reality. They had no doubt that, through him, Allah was speaking to them. Their hearts and minds were therefore seized by it. Their eyes overflowed with tears and their bodies shivered. They found each word of it deeply relevant to their concerns and experiences, and integrated it fully into their lives. They were completely transformed by it - both as individuals and as a community - into a totally new, alive and life-giving entity. Those who grazed sheep, herded camels and traded petty merchandise became the shepherds and leaders of mankind!

How do we make the Qur'an, again, a living, relevant force, as powerful for us now, 1420 years away, as it was then? Only by entering the world of the Qur'an as if Allah were speaking to us through it now and today, and by fulfilling the necessary conditions for such an encounter.

Encountering the World of the Qur'an

Firstly, then, we must realize what the Qur'an, as the word of God, is and what it means to us, and bring all the reverence, love, longing, and will-to-act that this realization demands. Secondly, we must read it as it asks to be read, as Allah's Messenger instructed us, as he and his Companions read it. Thirdly, we must bring each word of the Qur'an to bear upon our own realities and concerns by transcending the barriers of time, culture and change.

The New World that Awaits You

As you come to the Qur’an, you come to a new world. No other venture in your life can be so momentous and crucial, so blissful and rewarding, as your journey to and through the Qurân.

It is a journey that will take you through the endless joys and riches of the words that your Creator and Lord has sent to you and all mankind. Here you will find a world of untold treasures of knowledge and wisdom to guide you on the pathways of life, to mould your thoughts and actions. In it, you will find deep insights to enrich you and steer you along the right course. From it, you will receive a radiant light to illuminate the deeper reaches of your soul. Here you will encounter profound emotions, a warmth to melt your heart and bring tears running down your cheeks.

Undertaking the Journey

To remain determined and steadfast on our road to its discovery, and to derive the maximum benefit from our undertaking of studying the Qurân, we must approach it with certain convictions.

First, our lives will remain meaningless and ruined unless they are guided by the Qurân, the word of God.

Second, the Qurân, being the eternal guidance given by the Ever-living God, is as relevant for us, today; as it was fourteen centuries ago, and will remain so forever.

Third, we almost have a right, in some sense and measure, to receive its blessings today as its first believers did; provided, of course, that we come to it and move in it in a manner that may entitle us to share its rich harvest.

Fourth, every Muslim has a duty to devote himself to reading, understanding, memorizing and implementing the Qurân.

Fifth, one must abandon oneself totally, in thought and deed, to whatever the Quran has to offer. Any pride, arrogance, sense of self-sufficiency, reservation, or ingenuity that can mistakenly be read into it, is fatal to its understanding and would shut the door to its blessings.

Sixth, the path of the Qurân is the path of self-surrender, of practicing what it tells you, even if one learns only one Ayah. One Ayah learnt and acted upon is better than a thousand explained beautifully but which do not impart any beauty to the reader's life. Obedience, after all, is the real key to understanding.

Living the Qur’an

Reading the Qur’an will be of little benefit to you, it may even bring misery and harm, unless you, from the first moment, begin to change and reconstruct your life in total surrender to God who has given you the Qur’an. Without the will and striving to act, neither the states of heart and enraptures of the soul, nor the ecstasies of mood, nor intellectual enrichment will be of any use to you. If the Qur’an does not have any impact upon your actions and if you do not obey what it enjoins and avoid what it prohibits, then you are not getting nearer to it.

Reading the Qurân should induce faith inside your heart; that faith should shape your lives. It is not a gradual piecemeal process, by which you first spend years reading the Qurân, then understanding it and strengthening your faith, and only then act upon it. All things take place simultaneously: as you hear or recite the words, they kindle faith inside you; as you have faith inside you, your life begins to change.

What we must remember is that to live by the Qurân requires a major decision on our part: we have to completely alter the course of our life, irrespective of what may be the dominant thought-patterns around us, or what our society may be dictating, or what others may be doing. This decision requires major sacrifices. But unless we, as believers in the Qurân being the word of God, are prepared to take the plunge, not much good will come out of the time spent with the Qur’an.

O people! There has come to you an exhortation from your Lord - a healing for what is in the hearts, a guidance and a mercy for the believers. Say: In this bounty of Allah, and in His mercy, in it, let them rejoice!" (Qur’an10: 57-

Let us rejoice then and re-acquaint our selves with Allah through His Book.

@Chakula

salam,

before i commented your posts, let me seek from almighty Allah to grant Jannatul Firdausi undeviating to you and to those that believe in oneness of Allah and Prophet Mohammed (S.A.W) as a true massenger and role model to all muslims for them to copy from his tradition, and however, i will never come across to this topic but today it is really interested for those that they are ready to learn more about islamic teachings and others roles governed to the islamic credence,keep it up ,your reward is unknown by nobody except Allah (S.W.T).

Jazakhallah, I am benefitting from my friends.

Uplawal wanted to discuss something very important with me urgenty through my yahoo messenger but the link was down and she left before I could connect . I even sent a mail but no response till now.

I am very worried and pray for her, wherever she may be


As Salaam 'Alaykum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakaatuh.

Bissmillahi Rahmani Raheem

On the authority Salman-Al-Farsi who Narrated that:

The Prophet (SAW) said, "Whoever takes a bath on Friday, purifies himself as much as he can, then uses his (hair) oil or perfumes himself with the scent of his house, then proceeds (for the Jumua prayer) and does not separate two persons sitting together (in the mosque), then prays as much as (Allah has) written for him and then remains silent while the Imam is delivering the Khutba, his sins in-between the present and the last Friday would be forgiven.

(Bukhari 2: 8 As reported by Salman-Al-Farsi (RAA)

Barka Jumuah

Arsenal have been saying that for 5 years - All talk, no trophies - 

We lost, it is a fact but to the champion. How many clubs can perform like Arsenal without their top strikers and playing with kids?

Arsenal is not having RVP and Eduardo has lost form while we have kids in our squad yet manage to be in third place in Barclays and even got to Quarter final in Champions League? Where are the teams with Old, matured players?

salam expert & nopuqeater

I am surprised at some folks that tries defending glaring and obvious truth in the guise of looking for the exact 'phrase' and is the more reason I backed out. Some people love sticking to their guns thinking that they are right despite serving them the truth in which pilgrim did and I noticed that she could not say anything to the threads where detailed insight were provided. She was looking for the word here when threads exposed the weakness therein further:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-46848.0.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-46848.32.html

Muslim character as it should be

Muslims today are associated with terror, oppression, extremeness and harshness. Unfortunately due to the actions of a few, a huge isrepresentation of who a Muslim is and what the word stands for has developed.

To understand its right meaning, we should look into the life of Muhammad (peace is upon him). Several Muslims exert their utmost efforts to follow the Prophet (peace be upon him), but as fallible mortals, we all fall short.

If a group of Muslims cause terror around the globe by indiscriminately killing Muslims and non-Muslims and justify their actions by misquoting and misconstruing the verses of the Qur'an, is it fair to label all Muslims as terrorists? Take the example of a father who beats his children. Because of one such father, do we label all fathers as child-beaters? We cannot judge Islam by the people, we judge it by the Qur'an and the traditions of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). [/b]

A Muslim is someone who firstly believes in and submits to Allah, and obeys His Messenger. He understands and attests to the five pillars of Islam. Understanding monotheism and having the correct belief is the most important of all.

As for the character, a Muslim has to be honest and truthful. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said [b]"Three things are the sign of the hypocrite: when he speaks he tells lies, when he promises he breaks it and when he is trusted he proves to be dishonest." ( Al-Bukhari, Eng. Trans. 1/31/no.32 and Muslim, Eng. Trans. 1/40/no.112) . We should ask ourselves: Do we fall into these categories or are we safe from them?

A Muslim is expected to be gentle. Gentleness spreads love and unites people. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said "Indeed Allah is gentle and loves gentleness, and gives due to gentleness that which He does not give to harshness. (Ibn Majah, no. 3688)

A Muslim should also be quick to forgive others. Allah said in the Qur'an:

"And march forth in the way (which leads to) forgiveness from your Lord, and for Paradise as wide as are the heavens and the earth, prepared for Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).

Those who spend (in Allah's cause) in prosperity and in adversity, who repress anger, and who pardon men; verily, Allah loves Al-Muhsinûn (the good­doers)."[b][/b] (Qur'an, 3:133-134)

Worthy to mention here is an example of the Prophet's kindness and forgiveness:

Before migration, when Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was living in Makkah, an old woman would throw rubbish on him whenever he passed by her house. The Prophet (peace be upon him) would silently pass by that house everyday, without expressing any anger or annoyance. The old woman, one day, fell ill. The Prophet (peace be upon him) not finding his usual greetings, enquired about the woman's well-being by visiting her and if he could in any way help her.

The old woman was greatly moved by this kindness. The example of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) made her understand that he was truly the Prophet of Allah and that Islam was the true religion. She accepted Islam at once. 

As Muslims, we should try our utmost to be a proper representative of Islam. We should portray the message brought by the Prophet (peace be upon him). We should always look at ourselves first before judging others.

How Can the Muslim Discipline One's Self?

Acknowledging your shortcomings is one of the first steps in disciplining yourself. Whoever acknowledges that he has shortcomings has started on the path to self-discipline. This acknowledgement is one of the things that make us discipline ourselves and be persistent in doing so. This acknowledgement should not put you off disciplining yourself. It is a sign of Allah’s care when a person tries to change himself and develop, as Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

Verily, Allaah will not change the condition of a people as long as they do not change their state themselves [al-Ra’ad 13:11]

So whoever tries to change for the sake of Allah, Allah will help him to change. Each person is individually responsible for his own self, and will be questioned individually, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

There is none in the heavens and the earth but comes unto the Most Gracious (Allaah) as a slave. Verily, He knows each one of them, and has counted them a full counting. And everyone of them will come to Him alone on the Day of Resurrection (without any helper, or protector or defender) [Maryam 19:93-95]

Man cannot benefit from what he has been told about goodness unless he himself takes an interest in that. Do you not know the story of the wife of Nooh and the wife of Loot, who were members of the households of two Prophets, one of whom was one of the Messengers of strong will? Imagine how these Prophets strove to guide their wives and how much guidance these wives received, but there was no interest on their part, so it was said to both of them:

Enter the Fire along with those who enter! [al-Tahreem 66:10, interpretation of the meaning]

Whereas the wife of Pharaoh even though she was a member of the household of one of the greatest evildoers is presented by Allah as an example to those who believe because she disciplined herself. The ways in which a Muslim can discipline himself are as follows:

1. Worshipping Allah, keeping in contact with Him and submitting to Him. That is done by paying attention to doing obligatory acts of worship well, and cleansing your heart of any attachment to anything other than Allah.

2. Re[b]ading Quraan a great deal[/b], pondering its meanings and seeking to understand it.

3. Reading useful religious books that describe the ways of treating and cleansing the heart, reading the biographies of the salaf and learning about their attitude and behaviourl.

4. Attending educational programs such as classes and lectures.

5. Making good use of your time and using it to do things that will be of benefit in both worldly and spiritual terms

6. Not indulging too much in permissible things and not paying too much attention to them.

7. Keeping company with righteous people and looking for righteous companions, who can help you to do good. Those who live alone will miss out on a lot of the characteristics of a good brother such as preferring others to oneself and being patient.

8. Trying to act on what you learn and put it into practice.

9. Checking closely on yourself.

10. Having confidence in yourself whilst relying on Allah because the one who has no confidence cannot act.

11. Despising yourself for not doing enough for the sake of Allah. This does not contradict the things mentioned above. Man has to strive hard whilst still thinking that his efforts are not enough.

12. Practising withdrawal or isolation as prescribed in shareeah, You should not mix with people all the time, rather you must have some time which you spend alone, in worship as prescribed in Islam.

We ask Allah to help us and you to discipline ourselves and submit to that which Allah loves and is pleased with.

May Allah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon his family and companions?

Inieta may play but we fear nobody. Barca would be having defensive problem and we would cash on that.90 minutes would judge

Repent!’ the Man Screamed, and then Rammed His Car Under Arik Aircraft
From Ernest Chinwo in Calabar, 04.01.2010

In a puzzling development, a commercial vehicle yesterday rammed into an aircraft at the tarmac at Margaret Ekpo International Airport, Calabar, Cross River State.

The vehicle was said to have sped through two gates of the Air Force Station into the airport, running into an Arik plane waiting to take off.

The taxi with registration number Cross River XA 254 KMM was painted with the state’s taxi colour of blue-white-blue. An eyewitness account said the cab went through the gates without any resistance, drove straight to the tarmac and hit the underbelly of the plane.

The incident occurred at about 2.35 pm. There were about 200 passengers on board the aircraft and they were successfully evacuated.

It was not certain how the driver of the vehicle passed the gates but the scene of the incident showed that the security men could not stop him. The reason for the driver's behaviour was not known as at press time.

But he was arrested and handcuffed by security agents. Upon his arrest, the driver claimed that his mission was to blow up the plane and the passengers since according to him, Nigerians are unrepentant sinners.

The man, whose name is yet to be made known, spoke in one of the dialects of neighbouring Akwa Ibom State.
“Jesus is the redeemer. Everyone should repent and follow him because I will come back and complete the attack,” he said.
The pilot of the Abuja-bound plane marked 5N-MJJ, Captain Simon Robinson, crew members and passengers who had started boarding, ran for safety while the fire fighters rushed to the scene.

Security agents condoned off the area while an anti-bomb squad from the police combed the taxi and the surroundings. The outcome of the bomb search was not made public but top sources at the airport said “no bomb was found”.

Visibly-shaken passengers said they were just settling into the aircraft when they heard a loud thud. Then they heard the alarm and were asked to disembark. At first, they thought it was a fire only to find out when they stepped out that a car had run into the fuel section of the plane.
Pandemonium ensued and they scrambled towards the departure hall.

A passenger, who did not want his name in print said: “It was just a miracle that he was not successful because he got to our plane quite all right and hit it the way he wanted to. God sure has a hand in this. If he had a bomb on him, by now it would be a different story.”

One of the passengers, Mr. Odigha Odigha, said: “We were inside the plane about to take off when the alarm came and we were asked to disembark. Initially, we thought it was fire and everybody scrambled down and when we got down, we discovered it was a car right under the belly of the aircraft.”

Odigha, who is the Chairman of the state Forestry Commission, said he was shocked.
“How can a commercial car ram through two gates of the Air Force Station and get to an aircraft about to take off?” she asked.

The Federal Airports Authority of Nigeria (FAAN) Manager at the airport, Mr. Mahmud Sani, said everyone was taken unawares. He declined further comment, saying investigation was ongoing and that a team of investigators were expected from Lagos.

The Air Force Intelligence and Security Officer O. G. Akonye and other officers of the Air Force Base, the Deputy Commissioner of Police, Mr. Tonye Ebitibituwa, and other personnel on ground also declined comment.

Later in the evening, four engineers of Arik Air arrived the airport for an on-the-spot assessment. They jacked up the plane in order to remove the taxi. Passengers were later airlifted to their destination with another Arik plane.

When THISDAY visited the scene, the two gates of the Air Force Station had partially collapsed. Part of the first gate was on the ground, while the poles of the second were badly shattered by the force of the car.

Senior officials of the state government, including the state’s Deputy Governor Mr. Efiok Cobham; the Commissioner for Information, Mr. Edet Asim; and the Special Adviser to the Governor on Public Transportation, Mr. Gabriel Okulaja, also visited the scene of the incident.

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=169860

Arsenal fans pls what do u have to say about Diaby and Bendtner

Woeful.

to all Barcelona fan

Give it to Barcelona for its possession and indepth quality football. I thought they would give gunners 10 goals to nil being the title holder and the most favoured. The most feared player and the world player was not on the pitch as he was silenced.

Also, I learnt that to be able to win Barcelona, you must hold them until like the last 20 minutes because as it nears 90 minutes, Barca tends to wear out and if there was still like additional 10 minutes, Arsenal would have beaten them because Barca resorted to Defensive game which to me, is not too good for a world champion playing with 'boys'.

Barca would not have scored those cheap goals if not for defensive error and our first half substitutions affected our game.

Conclusively, Barca ay beat Arsenal but not disgrace them at Nou camp.

@Kingron

re they really fake stuff

Nope

@Viaro


We both know ourselves. Let us be civil this time. I could see that this thread was 'intelligently' diverted but wopuld continue shortly.

@Viaro

(b) So, from the hadith above in (a), it is possible that there were "disagreements" between the copyists, such that what came out as the final copy of the Quran was simply a matter of the 'ijma' ('concensus') of the 'mujtahid' ('islamic scholars') in Uthman's redaction committee. What the text itself said was not their primary concern of importance: rather, far more important to them was their own opinion as to how any verse should be written - if they "disagreed", then they chose rather to adopt what Uthman advised.

Let me tell you something that you fail to understand, there may be have been disagreement between the alleged copyists but you could never see such in the Quran. You will never see a verse present but missing in another and that alone shows the completeness of the book.

For example, so called disagreement are being made by the copyists in only the hadiths but not in the Quran while in your book, the copyists extended it to your holy book and you have these to debunk:


https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-46848.0.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-46848.32.html

It is perhaps for that reason that we find a whole lot of 'disagreements' between the reciters of the quranic verses. For example, Sahih Bukhari Vol. 6, Bk 61, # 514 reveals one such among several of such disagreements between reciters - {"This Qur'an has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite of it whichever (way) is easier for you (or read as much of it as may be easy for you)"}.

I thought you claimed to have read the Quran or better still understand Islam. The above is talking about ways to recite it and make it pleasing.

A reciter may recite differently through Tajweed but they all refer to same thing.Reciting in different ways does not have any big as you are portraying it. It is just like composing same songs for 5 singers. You should not expect them to sing the same way and if you are able to understand it that way, you would know that it is not a big deal reciting differently.

Not only were there such 'disagreements' in style of recitations, but also in content of those verses which are arguably not in the Quran. I don't know so many of such verses (still researching though); but here are a few that have featured in some discussions:

¬ "The Missing Verse(s) of the Quran on Stoning"

¬ "The Cancelled Verse(s) of the Martyrs of Badr"

¬ "The Missing Verse(s) of the Quran on Suckling"

I will get there.

So, first then with ¬ "The Missing Verse(s) of the Quran on Stoning"


Quote from: Hadith Muslim
Sahih Muslim, Book 017, Number 4194:
'Abdullah b. 'Abbas reported that 'Umar b. Khattab sat on the pulpit of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Verily Allah sent Muhammad (may peace be upon him) with truth and He sent down the Book upon him, and the verse of stoning was included in what was sent down to him. We recited it, retained it in our memory and understood it. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded the punishment of stoning to death (to the married adulterer and adulteress) and, after him, we also awarded the punishment of stoning, I am afraid that with the lapse of time, the people (may forget it) and may say: We do not find the punishment of stoning in the Book of Allah, and thus go astray by abandoning this duty prescribed by Allah. Stoning is a duty laid down in Allah's Book for married men and women who commit adultery when proof is established, or it there is pregnancy, or a confession.

I don't remember reading any verse in the Quran on stoning for adultery (it is possible that I might've missed it in my first reading); so a pertinent question to ask you (mr expert) here is this: Where is the verse on stoning in the Quran? Afterall, Umar b. Khattab claims that such a verse was revealed to Muhammad, the reciters indeed 'recited it, retained it in [their] memory and understood it' - so, why do we not find it in the Quran today?

Why did Umar or any of the companions not include it if it supposed to be part of the Quran?

It was part of the recitation but abrogated but its ruling still remains.

Narrated 'Abdul 'Aziz bin Rufai': Shaddad bin Ma'qil and I entered upon Ibn 'Abbas. Shaddad bin Ma'qil asked him, "Did the Prophet leave anything (any other Qur’an besides this Qur'an)?" He replied. "He did not leave anything (any other revelation) except what is (safe) between the two bindings (of the Qur'an[/b])." Then we visited Muhammad bin Al-Hanafiyya and asked him (the same question). He replied, "[b]The Prophet did not leave (any other revelation) except what is between the bindings (of the Qur'an)."


Hold on please.

@Viaro

a) It is common knowledge that the third Caliph Uthman, after the redaction of the Quran, ordered all the other quranic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. This is attested in the hadith - Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 6, Book 61, #510:


. . . 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)'

One wonders why there should be any "disagreements" at all if all copies of the Quran were exactly the same in their entirety. Also, what are we to make of Said bin Thabit's statement that he had missed a verse when copying the Quran? Could it be possible that other verses were also missed that Muslim apologists are happy not to let the world know anything about?

Hold on dude. For calling something a disagreement, you should be able to provide a copy pf the Quran that says this and another copy saying that or a copy having a verse but missing in another copy just like we have examples in your book. I would agree with you when you are able to bring up a verse in the Quran missing but present in another or a verse saying yes and another saying no (you know i have examples from your book)

@Viaro

Actually, that is a fallacy. First, the Quran does not argue that the Bible is 'corrupt'; and more importantly in the second place, the Quran did not 'come' at any time to "correct" anything in the Bible or any other religious text for that matter! Instead, the Quran itself claims that it came to CONFIRM the Bible! Surprised? Don't be.

Your muslim claim about the Quran having come to 'correct' the Bible has been soundly debunked in another thread: 'Babs787, Where Did The Qur'an Say So?'. Any reader who's interested may find the discussion there quite illuminating - and you, expert in particular, may find some very pertinent 'corrections' there for your unfounded notions.

Could you please be explicit on what you meant by 'being soundly debunked'?

@Inesqor

Thread resurrected after over two years.

Did you find the answer yet? 'Cos I'm curious. Thanks

Dude, I have not been around and not posting on this section but to answer your curiosity, it is not stated there. So? (You may continue from here but try to be civil)

No licking of wound here (personally). I know that we would not win anything this season though we may struggle but I know as from next season would be ours (Gunners).

This season is just to fire a warning to our contenders that we are now ripe but it would commence from next season provided the man buys probably two.

I used to watch it 24/7 when it was tough, real but do not have time for it as it looks too fake with lots of entertainment.

Gice it to Undertaker anytime, anyday

I tire myself. Maybe they do that so that they could look sober and the body would not penalize them further.

Principles of Self Development in Islam

Islam places a great deal of emphasis on 'self-development' where an individual takes the responsibility for understanding the purpose of human life, and for shaping that life in the best possible manner, for one’s own benefit and the benefit of the society at large; Islam also provides comprehensive guidance to achieve this goal.

Human development consists of processes of growth and change that takes place from birth to the end of life. The development process is externally influenced from sensory inputs through the organs, and it is internally self-propelled from things which happen within the human body and mind. Our focus here is the development of the human mind, which takes place through sensory inputs and internal mental processes. This development includes learning through the senses and cognition that occurs when learning is abstracted into knowledge for subsequent use.

Islam identifies two sources which play the roles of nurturing or corrupting human development. Inspiration from divine guidance nurtures human development. Not paying attention to divine guidance and succumbing to conspiracies, arising from within or externally environment, corrupts human development.

Human development may be looked at from different perspectives, both as a basic human interest and as formalized disciplines of studies such as psychology, science, philosophy, sociology, anthropology, and so on. Contemporary studies on human development often engage in analysis and remedies when human development is impeded due to temperament, problems with identification or one’s identity, parenting, society, chance, and other factors. Here, we will focus primarily on basic principles of human development--aiming at covering the factors that may impede proper development. Keeping in mind that people have varying human capacities, what should be done in order to ensure that they all develop into the best possible capabilities for achieving the desired goals? While there are many factors that are essential for human development, we will first highlight those that may be more fundamental. The foremost factors playing a seminal role are those of being aware of self, being ever mindful of doing the right thing, and to avoid acting on mere impulses.

How does one bring these factors into play? It is through a process called identification or 'constructing an identity' (i.e. finding principles that help develop the best possible human potential, and role models that vivify those principles). It may be viewed as an anchoring process which gives us a sense of belonging to something distinct and valuable. Rather than simply and haphazardly adopting the practices we notice around us, it may often be easier to look at a good role model and then simply emulate that person. However, finding good role models in our contemporary living environment may not be easy and at times confusing, particularly if these so-called role models are going through life changes themselves and the consequences of following their life style may only become known much later. Furthermore, one role model, no matter how good, may not be able to exemplify everything in life. Even if that were to be true, the principles that the role model exemplifies may not be obvious. Principles can only be derived through repeated observations and experimentation. History helps us here. We can look at several role models from history and we can look at lessons drawn from the history of civilizations. Coming back now to identification, the single most important factor in human development, we need to identify with some infallible source of guidance, the unquestionable principles for human development, and carefully select some role models. Most will accept God as the infallible source of guidance, the knowledge that God sent down to us on the good and bad in human civilization, and the Prophets who acted as role models for achieving excellence in human potential. Being mindful of God, therefore, gives one an identification of what is best for developing human potential. It prevents alienation. One can always find solace in the presence of God; literally converse with God in prosperity and adversity, keeping one’s personality in harmonious balance, avoiding excesses on oneself or others in prosperity, and avoiding harm from stress in adversity. Of course, one may find it easier to identify with someone more physical than God in trying to achieve the same goals. However, God’s presence can be felt by anyone who reaches out to Him. That is what God has assured us. The other important factors that may emerge from this process of identification are being truthful and upright, and seeking individual and collective well being in our affairs. In order to achieve these goals, the quest for knowledge that exists and participation in deriving new knowledge from what exists are essential pre-requisites.

Purification from Corruption[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]

We regularly wash our hands before touching food because our hands come in contact with so many objects that may collect harmful germs from others touching the same objects. We wash our clothes when they collect sweat and dirt from our own body and our surroundings. We bathe and shower to keep our body clean. All these cleanliness chores are intended to keep us in good physical health. What about some chores to keep our minds clean and in good health? So many things that we come in contact with can corrupt our minds. We may see a person drawing satisfaction from hitting and humiliating another. It leaves an impression on our mind and may later make us do the same impulsively. We see people achieve success through lying and cheating, and our mind may perceive it as an acceptable behavior particularly if these cheaters and liars are being bandied around as role models. A child may go through abuse from parents considered respectable in society and on growing up may engage in the same dysfunctional behavior.

Both eyesight and hearing are indispensable for human learning and development. They can propel us to unimagined heights of human excellence. However, we must learn to use them properly. Otherwise what we see and hear can also corrupt our mind and degenerate us into the lowest abyss of human existence.

How do we purify ourselves from the corrupting influences around us? We need to reflect on what we see and hear and to separate them into experiences that are desirable form of behavior and those that are undesirable in the light of some guiding principles. We may call it the exercise of the mind, and similar to other forms of exercise, the exercise of the mind requires regime and regularity.

The process of purification of the mind, variously called purification of the heart and soul, is known in Islam as tazkiyyah. A pre-requisite of engaging in tazkiyyah is to know that the human mind is prone to becoming corrupted. The corruption may be attributed to acquired elements within oneself, or to external influences, or both. However, the responsibility for any undesirable behavior rests with the person who commits it and not the person or the environment that caused it. We all bear direct responsibility for our actions. The legal system will make us answerable if we break a law, and God will make us answerable if we defy divine guidance. One cannot use the excuse that the devil made me do it, or my boss made me do it, and so on. If we are caught speeding on a roadway, we cannot be absolved simply because others speeded and did not get caught. God sees and hears everything. There is no question of not getting caught. Just as the speeding regulations are meant to save us from hurting ourselves as well as others, the divine guidance is simply for our own benefit. The concept of answerability for one’s actions is called mas’uliyyah. Success in purification of the mind, soul, or psyche requires recognition that the world can pollute the mind, the soul can corrupt itself via instigation, and desires can conspire to overwhelm one’s mind, and drive us into capriciousness or eccentricity. Consider the following statement from the Qur’an: “Verily, the soul is inclined to evil.” (12:53)

Everyone is born with a soul that is pure, free of corruption or impurity. The natural instinct or disposition of every human soul is to do what is right. As one grows, the harmful messages through the eyes, hearing, touch, smell and other senses affect the purity of the human soul. Therefore, every human experience must be scrutinized for its potential corrupting influences. Reforming these corrupting influences, within the human mind, is called the process of purification or tazkiyyah. The following statements in the Qur’an illuminate this concept: "And a soul and Him Who perfected it. And inspired it (with conscience of) what is wrong for it and (what is) right for it. He is indeed successful who causeth it to grow. And he is indeed a failure who stunteth it." (91: 7-10). Also: "But as for him who feared to stand before his Lord and restrained his soul from lust, Lo! the Garden will be his home" (79: 40-41).

Despite the best efforts that one may make at purification of the mind, aberrations are still possible. We may make mistakes or commit sins. What happens then? A properly trained human mind possesses what is called a self-reproaching soul (nafs-e-lawwama). It will react by an admission that something has gone wrong; it will accept the failing with humility, and it will engage the mind to reform itself accordingly. On the other hand, someone who has a headstrong soul (nafs-e-ammara) such admissions may be seen as undignified, thus becoming prone to more and bigger aberrations in future. A wrongful act if recognized with a thoughtful commitment to avoid repetition is an act of self-purification and proper human development. On the contrary, a reckless disregard of such actions leads to further corruption of the soul and self-degeneration.

Self Development Regime[b][/b]

Understanding the principles is generally within the reach of most people. Putting those principles into practice requires courage, rigor and regularity.

Consider the following excerpt from a Tradition (hadith) of the Prophet Muhammad, may peace be upon him, about one of the things that happened to him during his appearance before God. Prophet said:"… Allah enjoined fifty prayers on my followers when I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Moses who asked me, 'What has Allah enjoined on your followers?' I replied, 'He has enjoined fifty prayers on them.' Moses said, 'Go back to your Lord (and appeal for reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it.' (So I went back to Allah and requested for reduction) and He reduced it to half. When I passed by Moses again and informed him about it, he said, 'Go back to your Lord as your followers will not be able to bear it.' So I returned to Allah and requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I again passed by Moses and he said to me: 'Return to your Lord, for your followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned to Allah and He said, 'These are five prayers and they are all (equal to) fifty (in reward) for My Word does not change'."

The prayer we offer to God is an act of His remembrance and the guidance that he has revealed for shaping our lives. We engage in this formal exercise five times a day. What about the rest of the time? This requires us to reflect on the moral of the above saying of the Prophet. Perhaps an ideal number to stand formally before God would have been seventy times a day as the Prophet was informed first. But this would have been too much of a burden to carry for most human beings, as the Prophet Moses interjected, may peace be upon. While the formal number of times we pray is five, the rest of the period must be filled, to our best ability, in continuous remembrance of God and reflections on our actions in the light of that guidance. We need to be mindful of Allah at all times, regardless of the time and place, and to take heed of His guidance in all our affairs. We need to be thoughtful, rather than impulsive, before we speak, and before we act. We need to reflect on what we may have uttered and acted. The process of purification of the mind in Islam is called is called the utmost form of human struggle. It must be pursued with vigor, patience and perseverance, with belief in what God has revealed, and actions that manifest that belief at all times, in adversity as well as prosperity.

Many of us were told during our childhood to maintain a diary and to record in it the various things that happened during the day. The wisdom of that advice lies less in creating a legacy and more in reflecting, as we normally would do when we record things, and to sort out things that may be desirable from those that may be he undesirable. There is a need to regularly recall imprints made on our mind by what we may see, hear, feel, and do, and re-establish them mind formations, linkages for recall, that we know to be desirable. This is the only way that we can avoid impulsive behavior based on what we may encounter in our environment. It is impossible to sort out things as we encounter them, particularly when they occur in rapid succession, or in theatrics that spellbound us momentarily. We must take the time to re-examine those things in slow motion and without the momentary influences and background noises. We all need moments of quiet reflection and solitude, trying to make sense out of our affairs in the light of divine guidance.

One may ask as whether there are some special words that one can utter for engaging in remembrance of God and reflecting on our thoughts and actions. The Prophets asked the same question. While there are no bounds on what one can say and utter, what we are reminded to say by God is very simple, easy to remember and utter, and direct in meaning. Here are some examples: , There is no god but Allah.

This simple expression provides the pinnacle for human development. Reminding ourselves that there is no god but Allah provides the best possible framework for human development since what God (Allah) tells us to do is for our own good, and there is no need for us to succumb to any power contrary to what God tells us. Ultimately God has power over all things and God arranges our affairs rightly if we reach out to him. We should say La ilaha il-l Allah as often as we can utter. Without repetition we may forget and not recall this wisdom and thus do the wrong thing despite not meaning to do it. Also , All praise is to Allah (al-hamdu lil?h)

La il?ha illa Allah guides us to do the right things. Whatever good comes to us is from Allah. La il?ha illa Allah is the anchor for doing the right thing, and al-hamdu lil?h (all praise be to God) is a recognition, with all humility, that we get only what is made possible by God. These before and after expressions of La ilaha il-l Allah and al-hamdu lil?h should be the all pervasive reminders in managing our affairs and they are the fundamental cleansing elements in purifying our mind and soul, psyching us to remain on a path that is in our best interest.

Examples of expanded expressions for remembrance of God for self-development are: 'Glory to Allah, and praise to Allah, there is no god except Allah, and Allah is the Greatest'. Also 'there is no God but Allah, He is One and has no partner. His is the dominion, and His is all praise, and he is Powerful over everything'.

@God son2009

i see you are using this as a get out clause,dont worry i understand that is a little hard for a muslim to justify but more of those kinda assertions are still coming why do muslims bow down to a sun?isnt it a strange co incidence thaat the names of one of the three godesses is corelations to the sun?and the other the moon and you muslims worship both and u have the cheek to say sunday is dedicated to sun god

Quit this game, you would gain nothing . I found that there would be no need exchanging words with you because you are not intelligent and smart enough to debate in a forum like this. I could see that you have been making denials, using a question to answer a question, going in circles as if being blind to the glaring responses.

You ignorantly accused Muslims of worshipping the sun from your post below:

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explain and justify to us the significance of bowing down to the sun before accusing us of worshipping 3 GODS

I responded that:

Let me have it from the Quran or Hadith where we worship sun.

You went again:

you pray towards the sun and bow down true or false?

I replied you that:

False
The sun rises in the East and set in the West huh? So, who do we pray to when the sun

Rises in the East.
Sets in the west

You went again to post thrash that:

i see you are using this as a get out clause,dont worry i understand that is a little hard for a muslim to justify but more of those kinda assertions are still coming why do muslims bow down to a sun?isnt it a strange co incidence thaat the names of one of the three godesses is corelations to the sun?and the other the moon and you muslims worship both and u have the cheek to say sunday is dedicated to sun god

I have told you that WE DONT WORSHIP THE SUN and if you think we do:


So, who do we pray to when the sun

Rises in the East.
Sets in the west

When you are to answer that, I would the rest one at a time and we discuss.

Salam

Please why is this thread not included in the list of threads present in 'Islam for Muslim Library' and why was it ignored?

The Debt We Owe to Religion

The Arabic word commonly translated as "religion" is deen. "Religion" is a fairly good translation[b][/b], but as many will point out, there is a problem in the modern idea of religion that diminishes the value of the word for this translation. (This is a linguistic argument, not a point to make against modernity.) Religion has come to mean different things because of secular cultural pressure, a common influence in definitions: Religion may mean certain hollow rites that people do during certain seasons of the year; or peculiar acts taken over by culture or family pressure, although they once were connected to devotion; or charming involvement with some vague tradition, with shades of transcending meaning or none at all, stuff that add color to how we live. The relationship of religion binding with the unseen and the Hereafter has become almost vestigial. That really creates a translation problem for deen (although "religion" is still hard to replace, if not impossible). "Religion" means literally to "reconnect" or "form a bond," namely, to bind one's will with God ("lig" as in "ligature," to tie together something, and "ligament," the connective tissue that binds bone to bone). "Religion" has lost its sense of a way of life, for if you connect with God, it becomes a relationship that takes over.

Admonition aside, way of life really does inform what the Arabic word deen implies, for deen is actually a short explanation as to why we live at all, if we look closely at the word's original meaning. Linguistically, deen comes from root word dayana, from which dayn derives-"debt" that must be paid back. So there's connection between debt and religion, as one considers that we are essentially accountable beings who come into this world with a debt to fulfill, a debt due to God-a debt that grows as we mature into adults, charged with volition and discernment[b][/b].

Daily in our prayers, we recite that God is Malik Yawm al-Deen: Master of the Day of Judgment- a day in which all debts are settled, a day of retribution-pay back in other words. Sermon-talk resumed, had it not been for His mercy and grace, it would be impossible to fulfill that debt to God. Yet He makes it easy through religion, which magnifies the small things we do: He reveals human obligations and a Sacred Law that has a mighty purpose, live right (live a good life) and to prepare us for a Day of Debt-a day in which there is no mercy but His, no refuge but with Him.

To devote some time in a day, an hour of a week, or a month in a year, by all logic, should appear to be short in paying our debt, especially when we consider the payoff in the Hereafter of an eternity in Gardens of amazing peace, bliss, and constant fulfillment, with never a burden or fear-always lucky. Today, I[b] have perfected your religion [deen] for you, and completed My blessing upon you, and I have chosen Islam as your religion (Quran, 5:3). [/b]

Clearly, deen is the medium through which we understand our purpose and the path that helps us fulfill a purpose that, on our own accord, would be beyond reach, hence the grace of deen, a religion that multiplies a small investment into what is beyond calculation. We tend to forget, at a deep level, that God created us, blessed us with existence, and has given us all that we make use of, all that we see, all that we spend and consume, all the senses that we apply to learn and find relief-all of everything. If we reflect on what we owe to our parents for their care and nurturing, then imagine what we "owe" to God?

Salam

Barka Jumuah

I was reading through some threads and could not help shaking my head at the way a thread like this is left unattended to.

This of all threads should have been stickied as a result of the importance of Friday. Also, this is supposed to be a thread we discuss issues relating to Friday sermon, treating issues on how to attend Jumuah prayer, when to observe nawafil, sitting position, Dua to be made, arriving at a perfect ablution etc.

Salam,

It is narrated on the authourity of Abu Hurayra (May Allah be pleased with him) that the day of Jumuah was mentioned and the Messenger of Allah Sallallahu alaihi wa salam said: ''On this day there is a time when no muslim stands and prays, asking Allah for something, but Allah will grant him it" - and he gestured with his hands to indicate how short that time is.

All days are goods but Friday is special, make it more profitable by engaging in Zihkr and du'a. May we be among the winners of this world and hear after, May He reward us abundantly, Amin.

Jumuah Kareem.

@Muhsin

Welcome back. I was just yesterday asking of you on another thread. Wish you've been doing great. Alhamdulillah.

Salam brother. I have been very busy moving here and there. Thank you for your brotherly care. It is sweet to be home .Jazakhallah

Can you modify your reply so that we can read it easily?

I tire for the dude .

@Godson2009

irrespective of how infantille you might think of my comments simply answer these direct questions,
1.did i back up my assertions about gender inequality in islam yes or no?

I did not see it and I would not be requesting for same if I had seen it. My response showed where I joined the discusssion.

2.did i back up my assertions about the inherent violence in islam yes or no?

Check my response up please. There should be no problem if you had presented your 'supposed' response from your Oblongata . You only need to re-type or better still go to where you posted and do a 'copy and paste' for me.

3.did i back up my assertion about the specific verses reffered to as the satanic verses or not yes or no?

Specific verses ke . Oga, my response showed where I joined and do not have time to go back. There should be no problem if you had presented your 'supposed' response from your Oblongata . You only need to re-type or better still go to where you posted and do a 'copy and paste' for

4.did i not elaborate upon the "satanic verse" or not namely the assertion that the names of the godess was same as godess of the sun and one of the three godesss was actually connected to the moon,and how this was connected to islam bowing down to the sun??

I did not see it and I would not be requesting for same if I had seen it.

There should be no problem if you had presented your 'supposed' response from your Oblongata . You only need to re-type or better still go to where you posted and do a 'copy and paste' for

simply answer a yes or no , these arew the points or issues of contention between us and i have answered every one of those assertions with the rekllevant hadiths and quranic verses the rest are issues you intentionally try to confuse yourseles over.

I did not see it and I would not be requesting for same if I had seen it.

as for the holy spirit pointing to mohammad i hope u are satisfied with the bible verses posted by another helpful christian brother here showing conclusive proof that your assertions concerning that is a figment of your imagiations sire

Please, kindly direct to that post from your friend. I am realy interested in learning from you and your friend.