GREATESTPIANIST:
Whats your own....? aproko........... haters keep rottening inside . ... .....

blind bat

lloyds:
Every man now using successful men of God to gain attention.
Adeboye is blessed by God, and God has honoured his faithfulness over the years to put such a huge flock under him.

He is not perfect being human,but most often he has been an example of a modest Christian leader all over the world.

will you keep quiet?

gabman700:


Yet again, I will correct your impressions on Jesus tithing...

Jesus was a jew by birth. Although the Bible did not record the happenings between Jesus's 12 years and 30 years of age. Those were his silent years. But traditions has it that he was a Carpenter. As so he was entitled to pay tithe. As a son of God and lover of God's law, he must have paid tithe for a fact. So erase the mentally that Jesus did not pay tithe. That information was not very important for the Bible not to have captured it. But one thing the Bible recorded was that he was always going to the temple to teach, right from the age of 12.

Yes. Tithe is not only meant to be monthly, it's could be an everyday thing based on your income pattern.

Also, contributions was made by the early churches and sent to the apostles. What do you call that?is the contribution biblical in that contest. 1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. KJV.

1 Corinthians 16:2 is not tithe, it could be below 10% or even 10% according to the passage and that's the way of giving I think churches should adopt, not tithing

Tithe is not Christianity

Omooba77:


Jesus is God, even when he was asked of tax, Peter paid for them both

tax not tithe, tax is giving to Caesar what belongs to ceasar

gabman700:



Hello sir, you are missing the point...
Do you understand why the apostles and early disciples were thoroughly persecuted and killed?
They preached the gospel to the gentiles , ate and dined with them, even went to the temple with the gentiles. Act 21

Acts 21:28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.

The notion is that we the gentiles have been made partakers of the promise. We share and serve the same God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So if we be partakers of the promises and blessings of the father, shall we then be denied the blessing of tithing in Malachi 3? 1 Peter 2:9 says we are a royal priesthood,a holy nation, God's special possession...
Thats why apostles Paul wrote to the Corinthians (gentiles), in[b] 2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver[/b]

We are partakers of the promise. And we serve the same living God who is the same yesterday, today and forever... Hebrews 13:8.

And concerning the curse you made mention of, I have never heard nor seen anybody who gives to God and he is cursed in return sir....

your story is too long and LAck direction.

The tithing rule in the bible is clear, very clear;

Tithing is for levite according to law, the law didn't change anywhere after Deuteronomy, if you defile the law Malachi2 awaits you.

Jesus didn't practise tithing, it wasn't in the bible, unless you want to add to the bible, Christians are to live the life and by teaching of Jesus, Jesus never taught about tithing.

Tithe is not a monthly thing even according to the law

Stop painting this clear instruction

Gabman700, don't defile this agreement, else the curses of Malachi 2 Will be yours, be careful

gabman700:


For clarity purpose I will address the points per paragraph.

Abraham was not the only person who paid tithe in the Bible. He just happened to be the first person recorded to have paid it in the Bible. Also, paying tithe and offering is never compulsory in churches (to the best of my knowledge). Infact apostle Paul stated it in

2 Corinthian 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver

So it's a matter choice.


Paragraph 2, tithing of yearly income should be for you and your family with God's children. That is what Deutronomy 14 says. It's about you enjoying the fruits of your labour in God's house after the calendar year. Tithes from proceeds of your harvest (income) is meant for the levites solely.

Paragraph 3, no. He encouraged paying of tithe. What he spoke against was paying it but not have the love of God and perverting Justice. Please read Mathew 23:23
Carefully again.


Paragraph 4, No record of people keeping beards does not mean the Bible frowns at people keeping beards. The apostles had more pressing issues that keeping hair. Christians were persecuted everywhere. The apostles concentred on letters (epistles) to the new set of believers, hence the several epistles of Paul to the colossians etc.

Malachi 2 does not state anything about collecting tithe. It spoke about the behaviors of the priests and devorce which God is against.


Tithing should be done once your earn or after your harvest. Even in modern day church, some market women pay tithe every week.

This is just My summary.

Thank you and God bless.

the only agreement God had with the levite is collecting the tithe from other tribes of isreal Sir, don't cherrypick the Bible, as far its tithe, only a levite shuod collect it

IMO state is in trouble

OkaiCorne:


The way most Christians conclude on how Jesus never married...without recalling the fact that the bible never mentioned anything on 18 years (age 12 to 30) of Jesus' life.

I'd rather not conclude on something I have no information of. It's well.

you don't seem to be smart logically, your logical reasoning are wack.

OkaiCorne:


The way most Christians conclude on how Jesus never married...without recalling the fact that the bible never mentioned anything on 18 years (age 12 to 30) of Jesus' life.

I'd rather not conclude on something I have no information of. It's well.

marriage was in the Bible, only Christians like you can't comprehend this

If you must tithe like Abraham, fight a war, win the war and give the tenth from the "proceed of the war" not your income

Osezua:
Did Jesus marry and have children? So because Jesus didn't marry one don't have a right to marry and have children. This your defense is watery

Jesus talked about wedding in the bible extensively, his first miracle was even in a wedding ceremony, Jesus never taught about tithing. Christianity is living by the "teachings" and life of jesus

And again, no Christian is a levite. If you are a Christian then you must be from the tribe of Judah by Faith, because Jesus is from the tribe from Judah not from the tribe of Levi.

Jesus understood this hence never collected tithe, the clergymen cannot be like Jesus who was from the tribe of Judah and at the same time from the tribe of Levi because they want to collect tithe.

No Christian is a levite both by origin or by Faith, you have to be from the tribe of Judah by faith as a Christian.

To many flaws in your post

The origin of tithing from Abraham is not a normative one, Abraham didn't pay tithe from his income, he paid from the proceed of the war he went for to rescue lot. The tithing Abraham gave was once and it wasn't a law and compulsory act, if we should tithe like Abraham then it shouldn't be compulsorily every month and not from our income, it should be a once in a while thing without specific time frame and it should be from the proceed of a war.

Tithing of income became in law in Deuteronomy, that's the origin of "tithing of yearly income" and this tithe of income must be giving to a levite, Malachi 2 emphasized the curses placed on anybody who defiles this agreement with the levite.

Jesus never encouraged paying of tithe, he classified it as an unimportant thing in Mathew 23:23 and even start with "woe" unto them who pay it without doing the most important things.

After the death of Jesus, certain things that were comprised in the law of Moses were dropped; things like burnt offering, leaving of long beards and hair and tithing, no record of anybody doing this after the death of Jesus.

No one except levites should collect tithe, read Malachi 2 vs 1-19


My issue with modern day tithing is that, it is contrary to what was prescribed by the Bible, tithing in the bible was not monthly, even at at, tithing was dropped in the early church after the death of Jesus

Emusan:


How do you know?

becuase Christianity is the life and teaching of Jesus Christ and Jesus never tithed

asuustrike2009:

That the early church didn't tithe doesn't mean we shouldn't. Since Jesus was silent on that aspect it doesn't give a yardstick to assume we shouldn't. The church today is guided by the holy spirit that was why Jesus said he will send the comforter to teach and reveal deeper things about God. Now tell me did the holy spirit tell emphatically that Christians shouldn't pay tithe or you assumed based on knowledge?

Jesus Christ is God the son, if he didn't practise tithe and Christianity is the teaching and life of Jesus.

If the author of Christianity didn't practise tithe, why should I practise it because it was written in the Jewish law.

The recent Christian body are not even tithing according to how it was stipulated in the law of moses, everything is just wrong with the process

asuustrike2009:

That the early church didn't tithe doesn't mean we shouldn't. Since Jesus was silent on that aspect it doesn't give a yardstick to assume we shouldn't. The church today is guided by the holy spirit that was why Jesus said he will send the comforter to teach and reveal deeper things about God. Now tell me did the holy spirit tell emphatically that Christians shouldn't pay tithe or you assumed based on knowledge?

the early church is called the church of Jesus Christ, and it should be a blueprint for any recent church. Adding tithing to your doctrine is like cherry picking the law of Moses

Omooba77:
This is my own summation on Tithe; even as kid we were taught in Anglican church to pay tithe. They always collect it weekly and every working class and adults have tithe cards. We younger one learnt from this act. Even as a student I used to pay.
Tithe is a show of appreciation to God.
If you pay you have nothing to loose; but if you pay so much to gain......
And my take away....Please dont insult men of God and stop mudding Christianity...
If you dont want to pay, find a church where paying tithe is not mandated...
Leave God to judge everyone that steal in His name.
God bless.

tithing is not. Christianity

asuustrike2009:

Good. Did Jesus say we shouldn't pay tithe yes or no?

he didn't say anything as to whether we should tithe or not but he never practised it, it make the issue interesting that the early churches never gave tithe, there's no record of anybody giving tithe and burnt offering after the death of Jesus

petra1:


[]God brought about or introduced revelation of tithing through Abraham . And God trusted him to pass his knowledge of God to his generation.
It was from Isaac learned about tithing and passed it to Jacob



Jesus is our priest in the order of Melchizedek

Jesus was likened to Melchizedek, you have English problem. According to your Melchizedek story, we are suppose to tithe just once and from the proceed of a war

asuustrike2009:

You're so funny. Why don't answer the question since you know better. Explain in details with scriptural backings. Also tell us whether Jesus was against tithing. So don't use genealogy to buttress point. State as it's in the Bible

owk, as it is in the Bible, according to the laws of Moses only those from the tribe of Levi can receive tithe from other tribes in isreal.

The 12 tribes of isreal are the 12 sons of Jacob, and Levi was the 3rd son.

According to Mathew chapter 1, Jesus is from the tribe of Judah, people from the tribe of Judah don't recieve tithe, Judah was the immediate younger brother of Levi.

petra1:


I will show you if you can show me where jesus brushed his mouth

I don't know, now show me where Jesus tithed?

petra1:


He spoke against many things under the law but he didn't speak against tithe rather Jesus endorsed tithing .


Matthew 23:23
. . . .! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

you have not answered my question, did Jesus practise tithing? If yes, show me where he did

If no, why?

asuustrike2009:

You explain it since you know better

I don't know better, but I'm going to ask you two questions that will explain it.

1. Isreal has Twelve tribes, according to the law, which tribe collects tithe?

2. Which tribe is Jesus from?

asuustrike2009:

It's you that have ego not me non my church. Why are you so in particular about tithe if you don't have interior motive?. Don't let Lucifer use you to achieve his aim same way he deceive man and convinced 1/3 of God's angel to follow him

leave story and explain why Jesus Nd his apostles never tithed.

TI1919:
Galatians 3:7-9
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.



The funny thing about you and your tithe/offering collecting GO's is that you tried always to justify your useless way of life by quoting and using the scripture wrongly.

Jesus never justify himself in all his lifetime hear on earth

tell them to explain why Jesus and his apostles never paid nor collected tithe, they seem to be shying away from this question

asuustrike2009:

Why should he.Can a clay tell a porter what to do. Did Jesus gave offering aside himself?

if you care to know why Jesus didn't collect tithe, drop your churchus ego and learn

petra1:


Open your bible and Teach us . I will respond

you have been running from this questions, why didn't Jesus and his apostles collect tithe?

Please answer me

Gombs:




From your post, you can't say Jesus didn't Tithe...forhe was a Jew and kept the law.

Also, tithing predates the law. OP was just setting the records straight into contrast to daddy freeze.


But I admire your response. You went for the message.. Unlike Rita them who'd want to derail threads with their painment.

quote the passage that said Jesus collected tithe

asuustrike2009:

Why should he.Can a clay tell a porter what to do. Did Jesus gave offering aside himself?

you are blabbing, you don't know why Jesus didn't collect tithe

There are errors in your post, the tithe of feast is also called the "first fruit harvest ", you are going give your first fruit to the Lord and its more than 10%

The levitical tithing is done by only Levites, when they pay the tithe of tithes.

The tithe the poor is done once in 3years.

All these forms of tithing involved Levites and none of our pastors are levites.

Jesus didn't practise all these form of tithing, neither did his apostles, they are all feasts celebrated by the Jew. The core tithing is tithing of the poor, it is the mean form of tithing.

Osezua:
If you really want to know and understand more about giving of tithe, please make out time to read and understand this. It will go a long way to make things clear to you.
I was about to start writing my thesis on the subject of Tithing when someone sent me a link to Leke Alder’s brilliant article on the same subject. Upon reading his thesis; I concluded that there is no point writing again as he brilliantly captured all the points I had in mind to make. So enjoy reading his deep and sound article on this subject as noted below, along with some comments from me.
First thing I will say is that Tithing is not compulsory for the New Testament believers. The Bible states that the bird in the sky do not sow or reap or gather into barns; yet your father in heaven SUSTAINS (or FEEDS) them. So if all you seek is sustenance; grace in Christ will provide that for you even if you do not Tithe. But to operate in high Kingdom Finance is a whole different matter and you cannot operate at that level without electing to Tithe and give offerings. This will become clear as you read Leke’s brilliant submission.
There are two regimes of tithe in the Bible. The first regime is the ABRAHAMIC REGIME. The second regime is the REGIME OF THE LAW. That’s short-code for the Law of Moses. It’s also known as regime of the Ten Commandments – the body of legislation enacted to regulate the nascent nation of Israel.
It wasn’t Moses who introduced tithe into human history. It was actually Abraham. Before Abraham, there was no mention of tithe in scriptures. (Tithe simply means a tenth). Here’s how we came across tithe in scriptures:
The story goes that Lot, Abraham’s nephew, became collateral damage in the power play between the king of Elam and king of Sodom. Sodom, a vassal of Elam had suddenly declared independence and so Elam went to war against Sodom. Lot was living in Sodom. With his allies, the king of Elam conquered Sodom and took prisoners of war. That was how Lot became a prisoner of war. Well, family is family. Abraham took his private army, along with his allies went after the king of Elam and his three allies, and defeated them. He rescued Lot and his family.
We’re told as he returned from the battle, he was met by a king named Melchizedek who also doubled as a priest of the Most High God. He brought communion. It was Melchizedek who gave us insight into how Abraham defeated the Gang of Four: “Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator and Possessor of heaven and earth; and blessed be God Most High who has given your enemies into your hand.” (Genesis 14:19-20) It was a not so subtle reminder God did the conquest for Abraham, not Abraham’s strength or brilliance. The conquest was a work of grace. Whereupon Abraham gave Melchizedek a tenth of all the treasure from that battle and that was the first tithe in the Bible.
Nobody compelled Abraham to tithe. It was voluntary. For this reason, we shall call Abrahamic tithing elective tithing. He made money and elected to give a tenth of it to a priest of God. The subtext from the invocation of Melchizedek is that Abraham tithed in acknowledgement of the fact that all that he had, all that he owned, all that he had ever accomplished came by the hand of the Possessor of the heaven and the earth. To that extent, Abram (as he was then known) tithed as an act of worship.
The second regime of tithe – tithing under the Law had a completely different hue. It was legislated by God as a political solution to the issue of state creation. You see, there were twelve tribes in Israel. When God was going to divide the Promised Land among the tribes, he excluded the Levites. Joseph’s second son, Ephraim took the lot of the Levites. Joseph had double portion. (Genesis 48:5) The Levites were consecrated as priests to God instead. God declared he was their inheritance. (Numbers 18:20) But then how would the Levites feed and take care of their family? How would they prosper? They could not undertake secular work. Their job was to serve in the temple. Well, God came up with a contributory scheme to take care of the Levites. Everyone would pay tithe to the Levites. (Numbers 18: 20-24) But the Levites too had to pay tithe, which in effect means the tithes were the income for the priests. (Nehemiah 10:38) It was theirs to do as they deemed fit.
But here’s what many don’t realise: there were three types of tithe under the Law of Moses. The first was sacred tithe, the second was vacation tithe and the third was social justice or social security tithe.
The sacred tithe as we discussed went to the Levites. It was their income.
The second tithe under the Law was the tithe of feasts or tithe of pilgrimage; it was some sort of vacation tithe. (Deuteronomy 14:22-27) The Israelites were supposed to make a pilgrimage to a designated place of worship every year. They were to set aside a tenth of their harvest and this was supposed to be eaten before God. Why? It was to inspire reverence for God. (Deuteronomy 14:22-23) If the place of worship was too far to transport the agricultural produce tithe, it was to be converted into money; which would then be spent on whatever their appetite craved, and that included alcohol. (Deuteronomy 14:26) So this was some sort of enjoyment or summer vacation tithe. God essentially mandated summer break. He cared for the welfare of the people. Because this tithe was convertible into money, it’s not exactly true to say all tithe in the Old Testament was agricultural produce.
The third tithe under the Law was social justice tithe. It had a three year cycle – was paid every three years. This tithe went not only to the Levites, but also to immigrants, orphans and widows. (Deuteronomy 14:28) Those who have not taken time to read the ENTIRE legislation on tithing under the Law are quick to point to this as how to pay tithe – that the money should be distributed to the poor and not priests, but that’s only true to the extent that this was the third tithe under the Law. There were three tithes.
The overall scheme of tithing under the Law can be called legislative tithing since it was mandated as law. It was a duty to the State – God. And as we can see, tithing under the Law is cumulatively higher than 10%. It was 30% on occasion. Many don’t realise.
Now comes the challenge. A Christian CANNOT pay tithe under the terms of the Law. That is inviting trouble. We’re not under the Law, we’re under grace. (Romans 6:14) The moment you elect to submit yourself to the dictates of the Law, you commit to obeying ALL 613 commandments. If you fail in one, you’re guilty of ALL. (James 2:10) And so not meeting the requirement of tithing under the Law also meant you were guilty of murder, blasphemy, etc. You’re guilty of ALL.
Paul tells us, “No one can be made right with God by trying to keep the Law.” (Galatians 3:11) In fact, Paul says trying to please God according to the terms of the Law is sheer madness. He told the Galatians who were strenuously trying to fulfil the Law, “Are you going to continue in this craziness?” (Galatians 3:2-4 MSG) All those scriptures we spout for paying tithe under the terms of the Law are therefore void and of no effect. The moment you seek to pay tithe according to Deuteronomy or Malachi, you have to obey ALL the Law of Moses. And no one can be righteous obeying those laws.
To seek to pay tithe according to the terms of the Law is also to attract a curse unto yourself. Galatians 3:10 says, “But those who depend on the Law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, “Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all the commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law.” So the idea of giving your tithe to the poor as dictated under the Law is not exactly wise. You’re setting up yourself for a curse.
We can, therefore, conclude that the idea of paying tithe according to the provisions of the Law is sheer madness, to use the expression of Paul. By that very token, that famous quotation about robbing God through non-payment of tithe cannot apply since it’s a reference to the Law. (Malachi 3:8-12) We’re not under the Law. But Malachi is still instructive since all scripture is profitable for training in righteousness. (2 Timothy 3:16-17) At least you have an idea of how serious God takes some things.

according to all quotes, tithe must be giving to a levite and the levifit order doesn't exist in Christianity