TheLastDon1:


So is Religion. Do false/fabricated foundtions count?

Seun:

I understand that you won’t convert to Islam, which, as darkchild64 said, begs the question of why you think that people ought to accept these testimonies as evidence that Christianity is true. Sadly, I don’t understand the reason you gave. Can you explain it more clearly?

awesomeJ:

Well, dear brother, the focus is still very clearly defined. I definitely haven't argued and I won't- that's based on my definition of argument.
I am only trying so share some knowledge with folks to see who picks what. I wouldn't force my opinion on anyone.
When Jesus took time to reply the pharisees despite their palpable sarcasm, he surely wasn't arguing with them. Rather he said things that his disciples of that time learnt from, and which we of now, and those to com, will learn from.
Hope you had a great worship time today.

awesomeJ:

Why not tell that to Ben Carson. Best paediatric neurosurgeon on the planet at the time. Worked in one of the most renowned hospitals in the world. Yet lost his first baby/babies to pregnancy complications days before the first ever surgery for Siamese separation.
It was for lack of good healthcare right?

awesomeJ:

Why not tell that to Ben Carson. Best paediatric neurosurgeon on the planet at the time. Worked in one of the most renowned hospitals in the world. Yet lost his first baby/babies to pregnancy complications days before the first ever surgery for Siamese separation.
It was for lack of good healthcare right?

awesomeJ:

Of course I have seen that. But the Bible didn't say it was really Samuel that appeared. Whatever that medium saw could have been a spirit from God or the devil. Have you found in the Bible where a spirit went out from God's presence in heaven to be a lying spirit in the mouth of a prophet who would prophesy to a king so that he would be led to his death? Spiritual things are deep. Understand their crusts first before you try an approach to the core.

wirinet:


Oga Seun, the OP's undeniable proof is a sort of anti climax, we were expecting some brilliant and intellectual arguments, but all he presented were unverifiable, incoherent and unreliable testimonies. We have heard many incredulous and stupid testimonies, we recently heard a testimony of someone who by simply putting a sticker on her gas cylinders never needing to ever buy gas again. We have heard testimony of someone driving from Lagos to abuja on 1 litre of fuel. Just enter the nearest redeem or winners church on any given Sunday and you would hear tens of incredulous and stupid testimonies.

The OP talks as if atheists do not deliver babies safely or that only prayers to the Christian God ensures safe delivery or even pregnancy. The reason safe delivery is such a big deal in Nigeria that requires fasting and prayers is because we have about the worst infant mortality rate in the world. If the so called testimony giver was living in majority atheist but efficient country like Norway, Sweden, Holland or even China, I am certain he would not have lost his first wife and child.

The OP talks about malfunctioning ovaries? Abeg, doctors in the house, what does that mean? All the eggs the Overies will produce are already present at birth. So is the OP saying the ovaries were not releasing the eggs or they were no eggs in the ovaries. Was the lady seeing her period before with the "malfunctioning" ovaries or not.
It seems most of these testimonies are in competition to see the most stupid and incredulous.

Finally, testimonies can never proof the existence of Yahweh, Jesus, Mohammed, Visnu or any other God.

awesomeJ:


He also didn't say whether or not he was a Christian at the time. Remember I mentioned today was his first day in our church, and he didn't quite look religious. He might have been an unbeliever.

Now check out this argument, and tell me what you think of its proponent:

Pentecostal Christians pray about everything,
Therefore a man who shared a testimony in a Pentecostal church prayed about all his past experience.

On the Islam stuff, I already gave my answer, check page 1. Your turn now.

Seun:

Pentecostal Christians pray about almost everything in their lives. There is no way that he didn’t pray for his wife to deliver the baby safely.


If just 5% of prayers got answered, pentecostal Christians would be doing so well that most atheists would quickly convert to Christianity.


I will do that when you tell us whether or not you would convert to Islam if a Muslim gave almost identical testimonies as evidence for Islam.

Seun:

Here’s the problem with testimonies. They suffer from selection bias. When people experience bad luck, they don’t give testimonies, but when they experience good luck, they give testimonies. That gives listeners the impression that more good things are happening to the brethren.

If you told us the story of your life, mentioning only the positive things you have experienced, we would be envious of your good fortune.
However, if you mentioned only your negative experiences, we would think you were the most pathetic loser in the world. See what I mean?

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose

The urge to pray in a church and cry to God was not mysterious. It is normal for a Christian who thinks his wife will die to do such things.

The successful delivery of his second wife was to be expected, since most deliveries are successful. The fact that he lost his first wife and child in childbirth makes the story even less impressive to me, because he would have taken more precautions e.g. getting her admitted at a better hospital. It also made me wonder why his miracle-working God didn’t answer his prayers when his first wife and child died on the same day

The fact that both wives had difficult deliveries may be a coincidence. It may also be that he is a large man attracted to small-sized women.

Suppose a Muslim told you the same story you just told us, only replacing words like ‘church’ with ‘mosque’, etc. Would you convert to Islam?

iamgenius:
I love that feeling part, atheists don't believe in this.The feeling of the existence of God is felt by men, whether we like it or not. We are created in such a way that we feel and sense the existence of God. This natural characteristic of us can only be felt when MEN ARE FACED WITH PROBLEM, AND HE HAS NO WHERE AND NOBODY TO TURN TO.

iamgenius:

Materialistic in the sense of gaining things(riches,fame etc) of this world only.

iamgenius:
@awesomeJ, You have no proof up there. I'm a Muslim. Atheists are materialistic people, they only believe in Material things of this world. You can't convince them with miracles only. They don't know that every success and failure of this world can be achieved by WORLDY means.

Like if you want to pass an exam you have to read for that. If you don't write the exam well, you may fail. That's what atheists believe in. They forgot that even if you read very well to pass the exam, you may even fail. Anything can hinder your progress or success.

Seun:
I hereby reject these terms. The last thing I need right now is a distraction. Thanks a million. Feel free to offer your game to others.

Seun:

If you have evidence, present it here in one post, and it will be judged by all the atheists on this section, including me, if time permits. Cheers.

1. It will be something that you'll experience. Remember I once mentioned that your faith in God, and as well the proof you have of His existence can only be based on what you experience

kistone:
EVEN IF PASTOR USE MY TITHE TO PLAY GAMBLE, I WILL CONTINUE TO PAY. I can only pay through pastor, i didnt pay to pastor. as far i enjoy and bein bless through it. Nomatter what any #frizzar say dat is ur problem.

Luke 11:42

Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone

Same Luke 11:42 (new living translation)

What sorrow awaits you Pharisees! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore justice and the love of God. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things

SmartMugu:

Do you know Jonah? Have you been to the city of Nineveh? Didn't you read about them like everyone did? How could you then say you could remember them? Just say you read about them like everyone else did.

HigherEd:


"Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development."

You clearly said that people who uphold Biblical principles are stumbling blocks to Human development. You weren't dissociating anything, you made an affirmative statement that Christianity inhibits Development and when you got called out for making the senseless statement you couldn't back it up but instead went defensive. But I'm glad you are back peddling, it shows you know what you said was rubbish...

NPComplete:


@Desyner, this guy is talking to you. You might want to reply him.

The rest of the post is needless pointlessness and has nothing to do with my initial comment.

NPComplete:




You guys don't know how to make a point. In your haste to prove me wrong, u started arguing against the wrong thing.

Here's the post I quoted again:


And here is what I said:


Tell me what is a lie in the response to the initial post by Desyner? The fact is that scientific breakthroughs of recent times do not rely on biblical principles argue all u may.
Because they were deep rooted Christian scientists doesn't mean they relied on biblical principles to build their works. Trust me if they did, u guys will still be swinging on trees by now. Because biblical principles have nothing to do with science. There have been great Christian, Muslim, Atheist and polytheist scientists. It has nothing to do with the bible or its principles. Get it?

NPComplete:


Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development.

MuttleyLaff:
When she was teased about being fearful of the prediction about her death
She replied:
"Even evil spirits get weakness"

miredia:
Who's the pastor that gave these specific prophesies?

Sanchez01:

He didn't just predict her death but the cause. This is beyond guess work. Notice he also likened her end to another fellow?

spongeisback:

You're the most insensitive prîck ever. She is someone's child and a nation's icon. No wonder politicians prefer building churches than schools it's to keep you and your kind in perpetual darkness so you can blame the devil and sin at every incident even avoidable ones.
I have taken that route before, that road is meant to be dualized and lit up with street lights but it isn't. it's a death trap during the day more or less at night. Try to look at things the right way it won't hurt.

Daejoyoung:

Was the message meant for everybody or for Ebony specifically? if it was meant for Ebony to change her ways, my question is why should she trust the prophet?
Also l really need to see the video where the prophet Said all of these in details because in the video l watched, the guy didn't speak English.
The only information l got from Ghanian websites was a vague prophecy from a prophet who prophesied that a top musician would die this year.

Daejoyoung:

Exactly and many of the fruits they manifest are terrible. My point in this is that your previous arguement negating the need for assessment of the so called prophets was wrong. We can't just listen to any prophet simply because he calls himself a prophet.

Daejoyoung:

Lol, whatever happened to the scripture that warns....
Beware of false prophets, for by their fruits ye shall know them.
lt seems Jesus obviously wanted us to assess them first before believing their messages.