danchuzzy:


I beg to differ. He was sent an invite despite his 2:2, I mean he wrote the test. I know first hand that Mobil is more interested in COMPETENCE than in "QUALIFICATION".

You can quote me anywhere.

Cheers

***Edit:

Don't bother quoting me. You'd not get a response from me.

ask him if he filled 2 2 in his application or 2 1.

souljar:
The country is so laden with people who see a problem and shrug and be like, well, it is not the first instance of the problem, so it cannot be a problem at all, and there's no need for redress. So you guys can go ahead and proliferate debatable info to sandbag the excesses.
@poeticjustice, you're neither the first nor last who'ld write dragnet test and pass the first time; it is immaterial. And @coolcat, you guys have presumed sooo much...and thriving on this lot of ignorance can be really brutal; I know really smart people who were not referred by their schools to anywhere...
Look I'm really tired of saying the same thing so you guys can keep missing it as basic as it is, imposing your opinions (much of which I've seen evidence to the contrary!) because you're too advanced and oversabi isn't your problem. Wow. Everybody can learn from anybody.
Time will prove everything.
Pls let us return to our duty posts, I'm reeaally tired.

seriously, I am yet to understand what your rant is about. The difficulty, the co-ordination or the acclaimed leak test. I am yet to figure out what the problem of this test is and how it relates to the situation in Nigeria. You are mentioned Joe and Genius like you are better than the crowd that came to write the exam. Genuises don't complain over things they have no power over and I want you to learn as fast as possible. I wouldn't want you to keep complaining. I was once in your shoes. I kept complaining and the more I do, the more I see people get these juicy jobs and offer. The earlier you realise these complains are selfish and does not actually reflect the true situations of things, the better for you.

Tsound007:
Well, I didn't want to speak concerning the suitability of the test but at this point, let me just say this.

The test was not fair enough for the purpose it was meant to serve. I can boldly say that if you put dragnet boss on that room to take the test, he will perform even poorly.

Let me break down my points here.
1. The verbal timing was very inappropriate for the test. For instance, we were given 20 questions to answer within 17minutes. In each question, we were expected to find two correct answers in it. This means you have about 20-25secs to find a correct answer which are not following each other in the passage. Even TOEFL don't administer their reading test like that.

2. The numerical reasoning was also not good enough, not because the questions were difficult, but because the timing was also poor. For instance, this is not a paper test where you have all the questions facing you. What I'm trying to say is that the distance from the table or chart to the questions which requires scrolling down was not fair. When you read the chart, you scroll down to see the question, you take few seconds to understand the question, then you scroll up again to correlate the question with the chart or table and you have to do this for all the questions. Remember you were given just 1 minute to go through all this unnecessary time consuming processes.

3. The verbal was out of the game. For instance, when you take some test even with PwC, you will see some practice test just for you to understand how the questions goes, until you are done practicing, you can now start taking your test. This is what is expected when you want to test the best brains to get the best out of them. You don't set questions where the past questions are not available and you made it so blurred and very difficult without a practice test for as many that would want to understand it.

4. The skill test was fair enough for people who revised their undergraduate courses very well.

If your lecturers in school come to the exam hall with questions he never taught in the classroom and without any available past questions to the questions, how will you feel?

Please note that I am not saying all these to say that dragnet didn't do well or not, but what I'm saying is that they can improve on the mode of operations and administration of test.

Thanks

which would you hire? The best from the simplest of testsor the best from the hardest and most difficult of tests?

mos4phy:
I won't bother replying in detail with what I am trying to point at. But just know that it isn't suitable, i have friends that wrote the graduate engineer test for other countries and i was perplexed as to how different it was and how skill and capability focused it was not like a generic ''typical'' aptitude test we are given here in nigeria, probably due to the high volume of applicants and the nigerian eco system. Hence the need to contract it to firms like dragnet who are not suitable for such.

Don't let me go too much in detail, i don't like stressing on the internet or on forums. It can't change anything so what's the use

Mobil recruits graduate engineer in other countries on a rolling basis. you have mentioned the reason, " due to high volume". They want to give each and every one of you a chance. Do you know what plagued the oil industry in the last 5 years. Multinational service companies are hiring but it is secretly, in house things. This means if you don't know someone who is able to submit your CV, you can't even write a test. Mobil could have decided to make this recruitment in house. if they did, will you be here complaining? now they have put everyone on the same level, you are still complaining. Why would you say dragnet is not suitable? what are your reasons? Dragnet are is a hiring and recruitment consulting company... why are they not suitable for this. You will defend your skills at subsequent stages, you will do what other guys in other countries are doing in the stages to come!

souljar:
Well, if you don't prove a fool, then you're proving a coward or something; either way one proof is sure.
A firm that chooses to rely on outsourced entities with this character is doing itself a disservice.... Though I'm just hearing of a possible leak, personally I found a question or two I came across last year on their platform. You can be a genius and some Joe who wrote a similar test last month will get the next job and you sit at home. [/b]If Mobil handpicked those questions, I'll rest my case.
It's just terrible that graduates always have to be at the receiving end. Send rejection mail all round? [b] I long for the day graduates will shun job ads, tighten their belts and pursue their businesses. Imagine how much ppl spent traveling to test centres. . . if I did this test at home I wouldn't complain. One would think you're going to a controlled centre, but you just find out that the chaos isn't sheltered by test centres; it has nothing to do with the centres.
Looking at the crowd that took the test, chances are already very slim. What really is lost if you point out a glaring glitch? And though I asked for the link, I haven't been able to read the post. I believe he referred to dragnet. Besides the two are separate entities, there's dragnet on my pinky and then there's Mobil on my thumb. If they're looking for sound candidates, with their scope of experience, it is just natural to wish an equal level of soundness from who's appraising/hiring. AB-InBev host their tests and video interviews on their own platform...just saying though, I dunno the costs but I believe Mobil is bigger than AB-InBev.
One may not be able to change the outcome of this, plus I dunno much about being a unionist as my workplace doesn't permit such either, but I believe unions would become obsolete if employers did what was sane/humane.
So, if the thought leader has thought these and is convinced to bring it to light, I'm not calling that a wrong move or foolishness, but uprightness.
As a general statement, the more protests there are IFO suppression of basic rights, the worse the ills will get. There's no other way about that.

One bloke is still out there calling out first timers...hmm, You will be shocked.

@ first bolded, the fact that a Joe has written the test a number of times makes him experienced in writing test, this means his skills has improved. Go on SHL you will see where they mentioned practice and practice. Again, writing tests at different times proves you are aiming at success. It’s a skill sought for. I told tell “geniuses” if you university can’t refer you for an enployement then learn with the regular joe you find hustling for jobs. The geniuses I know got referred to employers by their universities. @ second bolded, there will always be jobseekers and the situation in Nigeria isn’t encouraging. May I ask? Why didn’t you shun the job ad and face your business. Relax and chill. There is a system and a process not everyone is interested in running a business. @ third and fourth bolded, even if you do the test on your bed, some of you will still find excuses. I remember many criticizing Shell and asking what does she’ll want after they failed at the online assessment. & fifth bolded, Mobil already has a relationship with dragnet. They don’t know you. If you cannot respect dragnet that has a relationship with Mobil, how then will you respect the process in Mobil when you are employed as a “trainee”. The companies that have their own platform have a “global trainee program” this means graduates come in periodically over the globe at the same time. I believe Mobil has same but I am not sure it is applicable to Nigeria. @ last bolded what are you bringing to light? What was wrong with the t st really? Co-ordination or what? I would think There are CCTV cameras around the Centre. Dragnet won’t be silly not to behave. Whatever rants and behavior all over the media is what is typical of a Nigerian graduate. The oversabi and inability to learn and be taught by them.

mos4phy:
bro, this dragnet aptitude test wasn't suitable for this exxonmobil job. But we can't do anything so we have to roll with it.

are you the one that determines the suitability of the test you are given. What kind are you looking out for? You want to set the question yourself? Are you are recruitment consultant? Dragnet is known to have conducted test for many firms in Nigeria- multinational and indigenous. Do you think the management of these companies and the HR department of these companies don’t know what they are doing? You guys need to learn many things. Stop complaining and go prepare for the next one.

Feex:


Exactly! Getting an ExxonMobil job can be life changing so no need to provide false information here.

A few info:

*The 2 white guys you saw during the test are most likely security personnel (expatriates). So you dont necessarily rely on the 2 or 4 weeks they mention. Management decide that.

* The most important stage is the first interview currently ongoing. Once you pass that, there is 90% chance you eventually get the job. There is one more interview though.

* information reaching me is that more than .0 engineers in total will be hired

* mails for Graduate position interview has not yet started rolling in. Most likely next week.

info info but yet ignorance obviously. A security man cannot give out that info. It will be very unprofessional of him. Google expatriates. White men don’t come as security personnel because they do not have enough intelligence on the security of the nation. Except you are talking CIA or FBI. Did you write the experienced hire. The white men are part of the recruitment team and whatever info they give is true. 2 to 4 weeks may be the time for completion of the recruitment. It is obvious Mobil don’t want to waste time. Don’t Honk you have any concrete info. This is a recruitment handled by top level staff and privacy and confidentiality is key. Do you think the white nan didn’t know they will be contacted before 2 weeks. Make una chill small make over Sani no kill una.

Why worry over the things you have no power over. Dragnet has improved over the years. The credibility was questioned sometime from reasons of change of scores to question leaks and so on but they have changed and they are even more organized. I was part of the Chevron 2012 and Mobil 2012 recruitment conducted by dragnet. The situation was worse from bad servers to poor coordination of the candidate. The credibility of that exam was nothing to write home about. In my thought, I felt I could change things and escalated the matter to chevron, guess what? Nothing happened. Chevron moved on with the results. I sat and thought again, I regretted my actions. What was it about this test? The co-ordination, the difficulty or the leak test? If it is the difficulty, then yo have proven yourself to be a fool. You don’t have any right to state or determine what questions a prospective employer gives to you. If it is the leak test, are you talking about repetition of questions? Even SHL repeats questions. Having the opportunity to answer a question that has been asked at a previous test means you are someway qualified to work for that company because a test invitation isn’t for everyone. Some people have been rejected for this same recruitment. The post on LinkedIn is very unprofessional, you don’t go about being critic of a prospective, past or present employer publicly. One fear of these type of organizations are personalities that have the tendency to rebel, they are scared of unions, whilst unions are there to protect the right of staff, you don’t want to be identified as one that will belong to a union before you are employed. Show your competency on the job before you join a union. Many of Nigerian graduates need to be professional and need more learning. These are a few things I had to learn the hard way. Escalating the matter to chevron wasn’t necessary as I had little or no power over it. If they decide to send everyone a rejection mail, would you question them? No. We need to be cautious of our actions. If there is anything I have noticed about dragnet recently, it is that they have improved. It is not only graduate they conduct test for. I wrote a mid level test in September and I passed. I was surprised myself. That was my first pass, i believe I had mastered the system over the years. Recruiting cost money and I am sure Mobil won’t want to waste their money neither will dragnet want to put their name in a bad light.
Lesson: when you write test and Interviews, you have little or no control over the outcome. You have the opportunity to decline or accept writing. Should you accept, move on after the exams or interview. Remain hopeful but don’t exact force over nothing you can change.

Kadiriyusuf:
None yet,any update from you or anyone else

none at the moment

Kadiriyusuf:
computer based,marketing related questions

any updates now?

This shows the decadence in our educational system. A time where student ought to exhibit technological development, unitelligence is being celebrated and see as the norm

pippimp:


The questions you should be asking is how does his origin make Nigeria better especially since he has denounced his country? Why do Nigerians love associating themselves with people who don't give two phucks about them? Why can't they make their own country better instead of salivating over other peoples countries?

We are on the same page. Dumping his place origin does not in anyway make him a hero that's my point.

pippimp:


You sure you understand English? Is he representing Nigeria in what position he is vying for? He is not Nigerian. He is German. He has burnt that passport a long time ago. I know this for a fact because i did the same thing.

does this in anyway change his origin? There are things we cannot take away.

Pavore9:
The irony of the issue is that many of us will not be comfortable with the thought that someone who is not ancestrally from our place to contest for office in our zones!

Terrific post!

domopps:
Tragic....... but why would he think he could use ordinary hands and legs stop a vehicle especially someone you are arresting for the 2nd time in same day and in this Change regime!


All these lastma officials self if not that am a good Christian would have said the eddiot deserve it compare to their cruel act!



But someone said dre11 and crime related stories are 5 and 6 while a particular individual also said he is Nairaland snr correspondent on crime and rape stories......you know what I think they are very right! Dre11 reporting for Nairaland Lagos branch!



Cheers

Bros, you still talk am oo

Kadiriyusuf:
At home and on my PC

Ok.... Just to be sure. My serial number is not 2058. The only link sent was for a numerical and logical test. What type of assessment did you do in the second?

Kadiriyusuf:
SN-02058 ,The first test was done online on the 6th of August....3 years FMCG experience, Link was received on 4th of August for the 1st assessment,

A link to the first test was sent 6th August to me. Where did you do the second assessment? At home on your PC too?

Lagishan:
@coolcat. Is this your first test?

Yea, it is.

Kadiriyusuf:
Good Day,

Has anybody heard from Philip Morris International? We have a 2nd assessment computer based test last week Tuesday 9th August.They promised getting back to us on Friday....................................anybody that sat for the assessment here.. Please respond

Hi, could you quote the job serial number. When did you do the first test? How did you apply? Do you have any FMCG experience? When did you receive the link for the first assessment? I received an invite for an assessment some days back. When I checked my application, there were 2 positions.

Philadelphia:
You all saying "I/ a friend of mine got email for telephone interview" should keep deceiving yourselves. If you don't copy and paste the emails here, then I believe you are just bunch of liars.

No one owes you any explanation or pasting of mails. Your belief doesn't change anything, does it?

Vikky014:
since fiance dumped his partner after two weeks should we now avoid marriage and be boyfriend girlfriend to avoid dumping after two weeks

Na waoh

your inference in the earlier post does not make your conclusion valid. That's my point. Understand ! what am trying to tell you is being a fiancee, a husband is not a guarantee that you won't/can be heart broken or torn into pieces.

Vikky014:
when i get 80% of the qualities i want in one person and he proposes of course why wont i accept it besides my previous post was referring to the real meaning of boyfriend. Anytime a guy asks me to be his girlfriend i do tell him i can only be his female friend not girlfriend. if he asks the difference i refer him to his dictionary. Tell me how boyfriend and girlfriend relationship will exist without the S*X thing or can you be someone's boyfriend without doing that atleast any of my male friend is always free to flirt as he want. but can you say that a boyfriend can flirt as he want

There are relationships without sex even amongst teenagers. Where both parties see each other as special not as mere friends. You have not even the right male friends. I don't have to flirt with you as a boyfriend or girlfriend. If we share the same view we can date even before I agree to marry you. You are just scared about sex and unwanted pregnancy. It's your opinion tho but stop making a general assumption.

Oahray:
hmmm... Such naivity. You'd be quite easy to get sha. He'd just just promise marriage, act serious about it and you'd fall for him like manna from heaven.

It's all good sha, as long as you do not try to act like you know what happens in every relationship.

lols, she need to learn more. Her pre requisite are easy
1 . Avoid making sex moves
2 care and show her concerns
3 .ask her out
4 . Tell her you have plans for marriage
5 . Meet her people
6 . Keep assuring her and start making plans
7. Hit it as you want.
Madam vicky, you won't need to force a guy that really loves you to start making plans or meet your family.

Vikky014:
i hope you know that someone making his intention known matters alot. at least when a guy tells a girl his intention the girl in question will give him a feedback. you dont expect me to treat my fiance the way i treat others... fiance is quite different from male friends please in the former evrybody in the house already know that you are getting married to MR A. even your male friends will also be aware of that so that if they were nursing the feeling of marrying you they will retrace their step...Thanks

you never hear of fiancee wey dump hin partner? Or a marriage that lasted 2 weeks. I just dey laff here

fulfillbill:


The babe be like me, and i hold the same principles as her, that was what caught my interest, i only see some rigidity in her, but a couple of "healthy" relationships may make her flexible, but if she still remains rigid with a bad guy...it will always be a problem.


@Vickky am guessing you do not find your male friends attractive on that level, when you see a guy that fits into your personality, date him, you never can tell what will come out of it.

yea, healthy relationship. It's not a bad idea being in relationships when you are not ready for marriage tho. Like you said, it makes one discovers more about oneself , tolerate the other party more , more maturity in one's thought and line of actions. Sure, she must have that special male friend. She is just scared of being used and getting dumped. You know mum's way of telling her daughter to keep herself till she gets married but some fail to make them understand marriage is not about sex alone thus the rigidity you talking about.

Toks2008:


It is a second name for trash

don't and stop using your standards, experiences, line of thought, opinions to make a general assumption. You assume what it has or was to you and a few is to everyone. There is lust and infatuation confused as love, not that True love does not exist. If it does not , The God you mentioned would not have preached it.

Vikky014:
What i mean is that u cant know how a marriage will be by engaging in premarital sex in the name of Love or relationship. my mummy said marriage is like a wrapped gift it is when you enter inside that you can unwrap it to determine what is inside...The only good thing one can do for him or herself is to relate with evry gender on equal bases and build your self character wise. getting pregnant and experiencing child birth before marriage is also a perfect example u know?

my home is the school where i learn how marriage and training kids looks like i dnt think i need another school bc if i relate with my future hubby the way my mum does my marriage will surely be heaven on earth.

Good. Your point is, don't get into a relationship until you are ready for marriage. But pls don't love a man or tell him you love him because you want him to marry you. I guess you love your " male friends ". I mean you can go the extra mile to make them happy even as they are friends on the plain level when you have nothing to benefit. This is the only way you can tell if you have love in you.

Vikky014:
more like tasting child birth before getting married right i shld get pregnant first to see how child birth will look like bfore i finally marry bros i no gree ooo. i love my life like this


wht is even so special about this girlfriend boyfriend thing self if not two people experimenting what married people do or am i missing something

I guess you are still a teenager. There is a broad difference between sex and love. You can love without sex. You will be more heartbroken when a dude you had sex with leaves. It's best to avoid it as a female. My point is, you are simply looking for what to gain before you love and that is a happy marriage.in the event where you are not happy in that relationship, you get frustrated and that develops into real hatred even while in that marriage. Your love already is conditional. True love is never based on benefits. I have had relationships in the past where we never indulged in sex, yet we still didn't work. I was not looking for what to gain rather I was looking to make my partner a better person, supporting in every area. Now, that's true love.

Toks2008:


When ttoke makinwa was gushing about her hubby some years back i simply tweeted asking her to calm down.

Today im happy that she knows better that a conditional love is not love and i really love her courage to patch up even if it for whatever reasons.

it happened to A does not mean it happened to B and to C. Your line of thought amazes me. Love is not same as sex. There are loads enjoying their relationship. Majority, men and women who are committed to this same God you mentioned. If God can love unconditional, we can have that grace to love to.

fulfillbill:


What i implied in my last was post was that you can't be sure you are ready for the maths test, unless you have a done a lot of exercises.

You running from heartbreak will make you even more heartbroken because you probably won't be able to handle it when it happens.

Its like learning to ride a bike without falling.

Relationship helps you discover somethings about yourself that you didn't know, and nobody will tell you...you only will discover it.

oh, sense of maturity. Thumbs up.

blueseacats:
Thanks, been trying to get you back to where you can confirm what I thought from beginning, your belittling my business from the beginning, yes you can buy my business still typical of Nigerian local mentality. Mr A has money more Mr B all fraudulent money but good it's only a Nigerian thing. Most other countries cherish hard work,that's where we Nigerian youth are always found wanting.

Your business is not my concern. It is a faceless forum. you dont know me , I don't know you. you don't have call me what you feel I am but I am not. its your opinion anyways. I am not berating your biz. that post was because of the local champion you mentioned. Oga, I am yet still yet to understand why you think this way even as you claimed to be exposed. I know the westerners to always mind their businesses and not critical about whats does not affect them. I have not met a foreigner who generalizes an ill attitude to his fellow country men even as there are some in bad businesses in his count ry. you are hardworking in your own sense .....whats your yardstick ? its as simple as that . you dont have any concrete fact to leverage your assumption just an experience.