Touching.... Especially Pst Tunde Bakare's story

Hi, just reading an article on the internet now and thoughts of rapture flooded my soul. This straight and funny question also popped in; how old will i be in heaven. Is this dependent on when rapture occurs, or when i die in Christ?

oliverjiad: ok 04 sienna will cost u #270000-while 06 will cost u #290000

Wow! An agent that helped a colleague clear his Benze said Siennas are cleared under buses and thus cheaper, he said it's usually between 150-230. It's not my field, I just want the best.

Morning Boss, pls how much money do I need to clear 2004 and 2006 Toyota Sienna, XLE? Looking forward to doing business with you

israel7732:

Before buying the new batteries, are you sure your inverter has 'cc cv' charging in it.? If not, you will be buying batteries every year or there about. I rest my case. Good luck.

Thanks boss. Pls how do I know if it has 'cc cv', is there a way to test for that?

henwun:

Can you afford it? How many batteries are we talking about here, AH let me know and i shall provide you with a Quote

Thank you

Just two. What's the cost?

israel7732:
The only unknown is what happened while you were away. Maybe the inverter fried the batteries by overcharging them. When you were around maybe the inverter did not have the chance to overcharge the batteries because you might have used them. Was the inverter plugged in to Nepa when you left home?

Tech_W:
A good inverter should have an over-charge protection, his presence shouldn't have made a difference.

Thanks guys.

So the bottom line now is to get new batteries? (Pls if there's anyone selling American batteries in Abuja, kindly send me a pm, thanks)

israel7732:
what is the make of your inverter? Did you leave the batteries on full charge or flat when you traveled?

The inverter is 'EMEL'. The battery was fully charged. I put it off from the mains, put everything in the house off and left the change over on Nepa.

@OP, thanks for ur time and response,
I've been using inverter for over three yrs and within those yrs I've changed batteries twice. The first was due to my error, charged it with gen for about one full month before they brought light. Bought two new 200Ah batteries (dry cell) from the same company, this one served us well, though the highest output we got from it at any time was abt 7hrs (had abt 10 energy saving bulbs, two decoders, an Lcd and one home theatre). When the output started dropping to like 2-3hrs, I decided to change it, but getting a new one from the company was too expensive 65k times 2. One of the engineers adviced me to buy wet cell (trailer battery) that the only maintenance it needs is acid change. We couldn't get a 200Ah acid battery, so we bought 150Ah instead (for our new house). The first one month of usage was wonderful. The output at one time was over twelve hrs (my security light was always on, and all the energy saving bulbs in the house is over 16,18 to be precise) we traveled for two weeks, came back and the output started dropping, now the highest output u can get is 2hrs. We've changed the acid, took the batteries out to charge but it's still the same thing. We tried changing the cells, but the battery guy insisted there was nothing wrong with them, and that the battery is still very good (it's just three months old), my wife is of the opinion that the inverter is not charging well, but I disagree. What can we do to get back to the good old days of 10hs output? (Inverter: Emel, 1.5kva)

Joagbaje:

Blood sacrifice ended with christ.

Jesus, said to offer the sacrifice that Moses commanded, not me!

vickyO: Living translation
Matthew 23:23
"Yes, woe upon you, Pharisees, and you other religious leaders-hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden, but ignore the important things-justice and mercy and faith. Yes, you should tithe, but you shouldn't leave the more important things undone."
Christ said we should tithe, and that's under the new covenant.

Hello dear, Jesus also said in Mk 1:44, living translation too-

“Don’t tell anyone about this. Instead, go to the priest and let him examine you. Take along the offering required in the law of Moses for those who have been healed of leprosy.[t] This will be a public testimony that you have been cleansed.” So when a christian is healed of leprosy, he's supposed to take pigeons etc to sacrifice on our 'beautiful' alters?

There's only one Holy Spirit and several other spirits.
It's a pity that people don't like being led, everybody wants to be a leader. You can't blame some of them though, as their supposed leaders won't derail from their destructive ways even when they are shown from our common denominator-the Bible.

Happy birthday sir! I love how he interpretes the truth, even when all others are saying something else. More grace and confidence in Christ. Cheers

pasino26: Blessed be the Lord God of Isreal.........

As for you little child, you shall be called a prophet of God the most high

You shall go ahead of the Lord to prepare His ways before him and make known to his people their salvation through forgiveness of their sins (through baptism)

Just reciting the Benedictus

MATTEW MARK LUKE are referred to as the SYNOPTIC GOSPELS telling the same stories with different accounts.
I was moved to comment in this thread after CAREFULLY going through individual posts. The essense of the word of God is for spiritual upliftment and not to satisfy some curiousity based on self righteous indignations. We shouldn't treat the WORD as scholarly article subject to review but be guided by the Spirit to understand the words therein. Just using my mobile to comment but promise by His grace to participate on this thread moro. Nice contributions @all

Hear me out sir, I didn't start this thread to show off or argue too long. My existence as a christian as always been guided by the words of Jesus. I had always wondered about the story of the Leper in Mk 1:44, before going into these readings, I asked questions severally no one gave me an answer. When I discovered this, it now dawned on me with other scriptures that Jesus actually lived as one that was under the law; he kept the feasts, encouraged giving of Sacrifice etc, I simply wanted to be sure I was thinking right, I didn't want anybody saying you no just for saying no's sake or because I was saying something that's against a certain belief that's been passed down from generations, if it's going to be a no, let it be a no with appropriate scriptures. We are all striving for perfection!

ideology:
there is no need for argument, the new covenant begins with Jesus resurrection. know it and put tin benefits of the covenant to work in your life, remember the covenant is not a book or group of books. else very soon you will start asking why genesis is in old testament. thanks

Lol, I understand that the covenant is 'more' than a group of books. Thank you

Bidam: That scripture you quote describes MELCHIZEDEK. Jesus was made AFTER the order of Melchizedek when He shed His blood on the cross,rose and went to heaven NOT before.Jesus is made like Melchizedek.Hence He remains our High priest.Order can also refer to as RANK.

I am still praying for guidance on the subject of Melchizedek.

But one thing you should note is that Jesus has obtained an eternal priesthood, we also have that priesthood by adoption as sons.

Jesus has access to the Holies of holies, we also have that access because we are in HIM.

Jesus has the power of an endless life we also have that power by virtue of our new birth.

Jesus washes the feet of his disciples,we are encouraged to wash the feet of one another.

Jesus has the power to forgive sins,He has given us that power also.

Jesus is the righteous judge,surprisingly we are told we will judge angels.

Jesus is right now at the right-hand side of God interceding on our behalf and we are encouraged to be intercessors.

All this and many more shows we are a family of the priesthood of Jesus.If that is not enough i don't know what scripture you want stated in black and white. WE ARE IN HIM.

What is this?! Who gave u the power to forgive any sin?! Do you stand before God interceding on our behalves, that we're priests doesn't mean we are high priests. There can only be one, I repeat one high priest and that's Jesus! It's clearly stated in Heb 7! Stop combining scriptures to mean something entirely different.

MostHigh:

True words.

Things new and old indeed... spirit and truth can never be seperated

Also what this means by extension is that at the death on the cross as the veil was rent all of us were presented with equal opportunity to be as Moses, Elijah Arron and the host of heaven. Living an examplery life of self sacrifice.

these ones saw God face to face, as in behind the veil

These ones were set Apart, Holy, Qoudesh.

These are the sons of the most high God.

The order of melchizedek.

An access we didn't have until Jesus died and ascended to heaven.
Besides, before we start bringing Melchizedec into this communion let's remember this; Heb 7:17 For it is declared:
"You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek."[t]

18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:
"The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
'You are a priest forever.'"[t]

22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.

23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood.
The priesthood of Melchizedek is untransferable, not to humans or anybody but to only Jesus who lives forever and intercedes daily on ourbehalves

woky: may her soul rest peace..

Amen.

Bidam: Thanks for the refreshing words.I did not find myself in the Christian Faith by accident neither do i practice it as a religion like others.

I am passionate and zealous about Christ like Paul and of late i have been studying hard and putting my body under subjection so i would not be disqualified for the price.There are cities and territories to be conquered and God told me in unmistakable clear terms to SIT with the WORD and learn for now.

The hand of God is so strong upon my life that, i am so SURE and persuaded concerning the faith,i am not like others who are unstable as to which religion is a way to God.I know Christianity is THE WAY to the Father. None preached to me before i gave my life to Him from a moslem home.I had an encounter with HIM.

Let mockers and scoffers continue in their folly.The wheat will soon be separated from the chaff in a short while.

God is still speaking and He speaks to me everyday.I am unperturbed by what people say here.I know whom i believed and i am fully persuaded about HIM.

Sir, nobody is mocking you, and we're not confused about the way to God. Why we have different christian denominations is simply cos of what's happening on this thread- interpretation of scriptures! We understand differently even when it's in plain and simple English and we've refused to unite our reasoning.
Do you know what it means to have eyes and not see and ears and not hear? Jesus didn't bring another scripture to the Israelites, he built on the one they had. He interpreted their Laws and yet to them it looked like a different doctrine entirely. They either didn't have common sense or they just were bent on not adding anything to what they knew. I understand what you, @alwaystru,@swtchic etc said but why don't you guys want to see reason to what @Goshen360, @Candour and the rest of us are saying. Let's not meet to part, let us, in our different parts, interpretation etc, meet! God help us

Bidam: Jeremiah said it in Jeremiah 7:22-23.

Listen to what the Eternal inspired Jeremiah to write: “For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I DID NOT SPEAK . . . OR COMMAND them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. But this COMMAND I GAVE THEM: ‘Obey my voice . . . and walk in ALL THAT WAY THAT I COMMAND YOU, that it may be well with you.’ ”

There you have it.The 10 commandments was differentiated from the sacrificial laws.

Na wa o, do I need another holyspirit to understand this?! How long do we have to defend an error with more errors?!

Bidam: Always try to see the duality of scripture when reading your bible.Jesus was telling his disciples to follow the teachings of the pharisees because they sat in Moses seat meaning they were the custodians of the LAW but they should not follow their examples because they do not practice what they preach.It might interest you to know that the TORAH was only read in their synagogues from ancient SCROLLS during the sabbath.Only the Rich could afford to take hold of these scrolls which are words of the LAW AND THE PROPHETS. They were quite expensive during Jesus era. Jesus was telling His disciple to observe and follow their teachings in TERMS OF INSTRUCTIONS but in terms of IMITATION AND BEING A FATHER,they should follow HIM(JESUS). A son always imitate his father.

Paul also buttress this analogy by the the Corinthian church to IMITATE HIM AS HE FOLLOWS JESUS CHRIST.
You can see that in play when Paul was admonishing the Corinthian church that :

I do not write these things to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. 15 For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel. 16 I urge you, then, be imitators of me. 17 That is why I sent [2] you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ, [3] as I teach them everywhere in every church. (1 Corinthians 4:14-16 )

Same principle applies to us today,thank God we have the Holy spirit and the bible to be able to easily discern false doctrines,back then,the bible was not even in the form we have it now,it was expensive and hard to come by .We can have many instructors and cross check their teachings whether they are in line withe the Word of God like the bereans during Paul's era,BUT WE SHOULD HAVE FEW FATHERS WHO WE SHOULD CHECK THEIR LIVES TO SEE WHETHER THEY ARE FOLLOWING Christ. It is easy to know wolves in sheep skin because by their fruits we should know them.E.g Are they wives beaters,fornicators,people who use godliness as a means to enrich themselves,back-biters,covetous and greedy like baalam etc..

Jesus said we should listen to their teachings but when it comes to their lifestyle we should imitate ONLY true Shepherd(Pastors).It might interest you to know that there are many MODERN pharisees in the body of Christ today.
I love to quote alwaystrue when she said and i also added the fact that So you no go give testimony for church if God heal you of disease abi? same principle applies.OFFERINGS ARE YOUR SUBSTANCE YOU HONOUR GOD TO SHOW APPRECIATION AND THE FAITHFULNESS OF GOD IN church
That was my argument when Goshen posed the question in the tithe threads.

How do I say this....
I want you to see the difference in dispensation with me. When Jesus spoke in Matthew 23, it was about 'the law of Moses', in Mark 1:44, it was about giving an offering commanded by Moses. I see what u've explained perfectly, just try and see mine. Do we still have the law of Moses in effect? Jesus told a man to go and buy a pigeon or whatever animal it was that's used for acceptance, slaughter it and put on the alter. Yes there was a lesson in what Jesus said in Matthew 23, cos we have lots of preachers today that are 'Do as I speak and not as I do' but was there a 'Doctrine' in it? Remember the whole essence of this write up is differentiating the old and new testament. Jesus gave us a will that took effect after his death, sealed by his blood and we have complete access into it through his holyspirit. Without the holyspirit, we can't have access! The veil's been broken, there's no one on Moses seat again because there's no Moses seat or Law again, we all have equal access. An access that was not available when Jesus was alive except to a select few that the Father gave it to e.g John the baptist. That Elijah and Enoch were raptured in the old testament didn't mean rapture was in force then, the all-knowing, unquestionable God in his wisdom allowed them have a taste of it.

Bidam: So far you have failed woefully in your explanation.Stick to the word and stop being sentimental on sensitive issues.You don't know me.I have never hidden my story in this forum that i came from a moslem background.I never had the privilege you guys had in growing in traditional orthodox settings like you people.

Yet i am spiritually smart enough to discern the subtle poisons you dish out to unsuspecting Christians in forums like this.

Let's stick to the OP and leave sentiments aside.

ERROR 1. When quoting scripture, READ IT IN CONTEXT. Don't pick and choose what suit you why discarding the rest.

Now i noticed most of you guys always quote only hebrew 9:16 and discard the rest of the glaring scriptural verses.

Hebrews 9:16-22

Amplified Bible (AMP)

16 For where there is a [last] will and testament involved, the death of the one who made it must be established,
You quote this verses and jump to a different pauline epistles without explaining who the testator is,his words that will take effect after he died.Even Peter,John and Paul do not have the right to say that their words is a testament.Jesus(God the son) IS THE WORD OF GOD THAT BECAME FLESH,HE HAS TO DIE FOR HIS WORD(TESTAMENT/WILL) to take effect just like God's word spoken to Moses has to take effect by the sprinkling of bloods of bulls and goat which was a copy and shadow of what was in heaven.NOTE:the reality is heavenly not even earthly.
17 For a will and testament is valid and takes effect only at death, since it has no force or legal power as long as the one who made it is alive.
Jesus was that SACRIFICIAL LAMB and HIS LOGOS (WRITTEN WORD WHICH WAS HIDDEN FROM GENESIS TO REVELATION) Had to take a legal binding power after He died. The temple veil has be torn into two,everyone who has the Holy Spirit has equal access to the holy of holies.The Holy Spirit is that power that witness and opened the eyes of the Apostle to this new truths and reality, Paul said it was veiled remember? Even his disciples never understood his words while he was with them,it was after he died their eyes were opened.Why did peter start preaching from the prophetic Joel.How was Philip able to explain to the eunuch the book of Isaiah that Jesus is the messiah without peter and Paul coaching him? funny Saul or Paul wasn't even converted at the said time.This is not to belittle Paul and his ministry, but i can be bold to say i don't need him to explain the OT scripture.I NEED THE HOLY SPIRIT.( 1 john 2:27)



18 So even the [old] first covenant (God’s will) was not inaugurated and ratified and put in force without the shedding of blood.
This explained why Jesus had to die.The pattern of God never did change as you people always erroneously assumed. Moses was a just a copy and shadow of that which was coming.THE REALITY IS CHRIST AND THE TABERNACLE IS HEAVEN. God is a God of ORDER,there are LAWS IN HEAVEN, IF NOT LUCIFER THE ANOINTING CHERUB WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN CAST OUT OF HEAVEN IF HE HAD NOT VIOLATED GOD'S LAWS AND ORDER.
19 For when every command of the Law had been read out by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of slain calves and goats, together with water and scarlet wool and with a bunch of hyssop, and sprinkled both the Book (the roll of the Law and covenant) itself and all the people,

20 Saying these words: This is the blood that seals and ratifies the agreement (the testament, the covenant) which God commanded [me to deliver to] you.(A)
It is Jesus blood that seals God's hidden word not Paul nor the 12 apostles.Remember it is Jesus(God's word became flesh) that has the power to open the 7 seals in revelation.

21 And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and all the [sacred] vessels and appliances used in [divine] worship.
Paul was telling us here that it is exactly the same way Jesus sprinkled His blood on the heavenly Tabernacle.JUST THE EXACT COPY OF MOSES EARTHLY TABERNACLE,no difference.Now the writer of Hebrews draws the attention of the Hebrew readers to what Moses demonstrated in the OT rituals (shadows fulfilled in the NT).

22 [In fact] under the Law almost everything is purified by means of blood, and without the shedding of blood there is neither release from sin and its guilt nor the remission of the due and merited punishment for sins.

let me quote the OT so you can understand the beauty of the revelation of PAUL TO THE JEWISH CHRISTIANS WHO WERE THINKING OF ABANDONING THEIR FAITH AND LAPSING BACK INTO JUDAISM.




Ex 29:12 — "And you shall take some of the blood of the bull and put it on the horns of the altar with your finger; and you shall pour out all the blood at the base of the altar.

Ex 29:20 — "And you shall slaughter the ram, and take some of its blood and put it on the lobe of Aaron's right ear and on the lobes of his sons' right ears and on the thumbs of their right hands and on the big toes of their right feet, and sprinkle the rest of the blood around on the altar.

Ex 29:36 — "And each day you shall offer a bull as a sin offering for atonement, and you shall purify the altar when you make atonement for it; and you shall anoint it to consecrate it.

Lev 8:10 Moses then took the anointing oil and anointed the tabernacle and all that was in it, and consecrated them.

Lev 8:15 — Next Moses slaughtered it and took the blood and with his finger put some of it around on the horns of the altar, and purified the altar. Then he poured out the rest of the blood at the base of the altar and consecrated it, to make atonement for it.

Lev 8:19 — And Moses slaughtered it and sprinkled the blood around on the altar.

Lev 9:8 — So Aaron came near to the altar and slaughtered the calf of the sin offering which was for himself.

Lev 9:9 — And Aaron's sons presented the blood to him; and he dipped his finger in the blood, and put some on the horns of the altar, and poured out the rest of the blood at the base of the altar.

the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.' (Lev 17:11)

Blood is the basic component of a living organism. The shedding of Christ's blood (death) was the penalty price for sin. What was foreshadowed (shadow) in the Levitical system was realized (substance) at the Cross when the Son of God laid down His life in death and ransomed men from sin. His precious blood paid the ransom price for our redemption (Cf 1Pe 1:18-notes; Rev 5:9-note, Ro 3:24-note; Ro 3:25-note) Blood was also used in the cleansing rites on the annual day of atonement.


God’s uniform method for the forgiveness of sins has been the shedding of blood. God decreed that “the wages of sin is death” (Ro 5:23- note). In Leviticus 17:11, God explains why blood must be shed: “For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.” God’s justice demands the payment of the penalty, which is death. In His mercy, He will accept the death of an acceptable substitute in place of the death of the sinner. The system of animal sacrifices under the old covenant pictured and pointed ahead to Christ, the lamb of God who would take away the sins of the world (John 1:29). A quote to buttress my point further. Sorry for the lengthy exegesis..I am not a fan of lengthy post,just want to put things in their perspective that's all.

Thank you so much for ur insight and time. Could u or anybody pls answer these direct questions I asked @alwaystrue that she's refused to answer, besides telling to read some scriptures that I completely believe but have no relevance to what I've asked her.
Matthew 23:1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses.[t] 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. How does this relate to us, putting emphasis on 'the law of Moses'
Mark 1:44 “Don’t tell anyone about this. Instead, go to the priest and let him examine you. Take along the offering required in the law of Moses for those who have been healed of leprosy.[t] This will be a public testimony that you have been cleansed.”
It's a dispensation of mercy, not of the works of ur hands, that's what the new covenant is all about. How does this relate to you and I?

Bidam: Nowhere in scripture where Christ said the bolded.Can you prove it from scripture?

Matthew 24:49  And behold, I will send forth upon you what My Father has promised; but remain in the city [Jerusalem] until you are clothed with power from on high.

Alwaystrue:

The serious yearning can only be filled by the Holy Spirit and studying not me obviously.
You are simply tired of hearing the words of Jesus which He fully explained in the verses I showed you and the answers given which you are still searching for though they are right in front of you.
Like I said Jesus is the Word of God made flesh that dwelth amongst us FULL of TRUTH and GRACE, (John 1:14), since you do not believe Jesus words, you won't believe the answers I gave you.

I hope u don't teach the Bible in any capacity in ur local church. Goshen360 was right when he said u need to know what it means to 'rightly divide' the word of truth. Don't know what you would've done to Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts if u were in Philips shoes.

Goshen360: Okay, lemme do a little exegesis here now.

First, I asked a question, what does it mean to rightly divide the word of truth? I can't get an answer. It's okay, no need for an answer anymore. We will get into the word. To rightly divide the word is rightly putting every scripture where they belong so that scripture A will not contradict scripture B and C will not contradict what A is saying and dividing gives an accurate answer and\or interpretation. Interpreting scripture is the works of the Spirit in us and since the Spirit authored the word, He cannot contradict Himself.

And for this cause he (Christ) is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. Hebrews 9:15-18

First, the word testament is the Greek word, diathēkē and it means a disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid, the last disposition which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will, a compact, a covenant, a testament, God's covenant with Noah, etc.

So we understand a testament also means a will or covenant. The Hebrew text says, Christ is the mediator of the new testament - by means of death. A simple observation to an inquisitive mind will be that, it is an old testament still going on for someone to be a mediator of new by means of his death.

Hebrews went further to say, For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. He just told us Christ is the mediator of the new testament or covenant or will of God. So, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Christ was still alive and by the Hebrew text, those books cannot be a new testament book because the mediator or testator must first die and then his will, disposition which he wishes to be valid after his death will then take effect.

This is the major reason for a new revelation of AFTER THE DEATH OF CHRIST (that is, what the death has made available to us as a mean of exploring his will) which are mainly revealed in the Epistles to the Apostles - Ephesians 3:4-5.

Now, what is it that is happening in Matthew to John?

It is simply the mediator or testator writing his will or last disposition WHICH WILL TAKE EFFECT AFTER HIS DEATH. He is teaching a NEW WAY different from that of the OLD which was still in effect. There has to be a will or disposition written while the testator is alive and this disposition or covenant or testament is what takes effect after his death. Hence, the necessity for Christ's teachings and selecting his disciples or Apostles that will carry on this will, covenant and his last disposition after his death.

If Christ's walking on earth in Matthew to John is new testament, then the Hebrew text contradict Galatians 4:4 which says, Christ was made under the Law. This "made" under the Law is a KJV confusing English, it means "born" under the Law as many other translations agree. It therefore agrees that the Mosaic Law was still in effect when Christ was born. If it was the New Covenant in effect, then what covenant did Christ came to start anew?


to be continue . . .

Wow! Thanks a lot.

Candour: Atimes you have to wonder how Christendom missed the truth for so long.

Heb 9:16-17
'For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.17.For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.'

The above simply means you can't execute a will until the owner of the estate dies. The beneficiaries CANNOT benefit from the goodies contained in the will until their benefactor leaves the scene. They will be seeing their inheritance but they can't access it until the old man passes on.

Until Jesus died on the cross and rose up, the new testament or covenant of grace never took off in full swing. We might have seen glimpses of it like Syro-Phoenician woman and the Roman centurion who were gentiles but received attention from Jesus. However everything Christ did was under the law.

He observed sabbath, he kept the feasts, His mother offered 2 pigeons for ritual cleansing after birth etc

The day of Pentecost(which was actually the Jewish feast of weeks) marked The start of the new dispensation but it still took the arrival of Paul on the scene to show how all encompassing the new testament of grace was.

interesting thread indeed and I pray it blesses us all

God bless

Amen.

Alwaystrue: @damipaul,
Spend time to go through all the posts. Your answers are all there.

When a testator dies, his testament becomes enforceable and that is exactly what Matthew 26:28 was trying to show.

THERE HAS TO BE A TESTAMENT FIRST given by the testator (Jesus).
Jesus ratified the New Testament He gave in HIS BLOOD thus becoming a convenant.

If you cannot understand this simple statement with all scriptures shown and prior post, let the Holy Spirit help you o.


It shows you did not read any of the scriptures I pasted beside what I said on Matthew 23.

I read all the scriptures. I don't understand why you're avoiding mine. And no, I didn't find answers to my question in the scriptures u highlighted. There's a serious yearning, I'm tired of all the rhymes and rheterics, pls help me answer those direct questions in my post before this. Thank u.

Alwaystrue:
You are welcome.
The answers are in both scriptures....To PROVE TO EVERYONE YOU ARE CURED. Anyone who was unclean was usually avoided and the laws of Moses said to come back to the gathering of people to be accepted, he had to do some purification. If he did not do it, he would not be allowed to meet with the people. He was saying obey the authority of that time which everyone knew.
All Jesus was telling him there was to fulfil all righteousness (Matthew 3:15). Even people with a terrible disease that get healed by miracle or treatment, go to hospital to get a report to show they have a clean bill of health before some people will believe them and accept.

Please read Matthew 23:1-7 and see that Jesus did not make that statement in isolation. Another scripture says BE CAREFUL to do what they tell you. He continued....FOR THEY DO NOT PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH. He went on to say how they burden people without doing themsleves. Matthew 15:1-3; John 5:38-47.
They were simply hypocrites. Jesus did not come to abolish the law, He said so Himself but to fulfil it and He fulfilled in AS IT SHOULD BE DONE IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH not in hypocrisy, that is why He is called THE WORD OF GOD.

There is a scripture were Paul talked about Jesus words....calling it WHOLESOME...if people do not rightly divide the words of Jesus, they will stumble for the letter killeth but the spirit gives life. Jesus did not just speak in isolation, He always explained in better detail.

I Timothy 6:3-4
3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to WHOLESOME WORDS, even the WORDS OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings

You want to understand God and His laws? Study Jesus The New Testament, with the Holy Spirit to guide you.

You just succeeded in dancing around my question and that's not fair. I understand everything u said up there. You said we're to obey every word of Jesus, I am simply asking how the scriptures I highlighted relate to us under the new covenant. When I get healed now, am I suppose to go and kill pigeons or turtle doves and show as proof of my healing to my Pastor. Jesus in Matthew 23 said the pharisees are the 'authorized' interpreters of the law, that we should do all they command us to do, does that include you and I? Answer my questions straight ma'm. Thank you

swtchicgurl: Gal. 4:1-4

"Now what I mean is that as long as the inheritor (heir) is a child and under age, he does not differ from a slave, although he is the master of all the estate;

2 But he is under guardians and administrators or trustees until the date fixed by his father.

3 So we [Jewish Christians] also, when we were minors, were kept like slaves under [the rules of the Hebrew ritual and subject to] the elementary teachings of a system of external observations and regulations.

4 But when the proper time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born subject to [the regulations of] the Law,

5 To purchase the freedom of (to ransom, to redeem, to [a]atone for) those who were subject to the Law, that we might be adopted and have sonship conferred upon us [and be recognized as God’s sons]."

Again, John 2:4,

Jesus said to her, [[a]Dear] woman, what is that to you and to Me? [What do we have in common? Leave it to Me.] My time (hour to act) has not yet come.

Then, Matthew 5:17,

'Do not think that I have come to do away with or [ab]undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.'

Now you see why the gospels should be in New Testament?

You just keep helping me elaborate my observation. Go back to the main texts, I completely believe in the words of Jesus, the problem I have is differentiating between the things he told the jews or israelites under the law and the things he told us. This is plain english, Jesus was born under the law, he was subject to the law but his death and ressurrection gave me a new covenant!

Goshen360: @ OP,

I still have this thread in mind o. My schedule still occupied. We will put Matthew to John where they rightly belong and teach what was going on in Matthew to John. Then, we will use the revelation of the New Testament to understand\teach\reveal the messages of Christ in Matthew to John.

Patiently waiting...

Alwaystrue: @OP,
Just an excerpt from another thread to aid your studies:



The New testament as shown in the bible is correct for Jesus is our new guide in the will of His Father as seen in HIS TESTAMENT.

I appreciate your time and insight, thanks a lot. Just tell me how these two passages relate to us:
Luke 5:12 Once Jesus was in a town where there was a man who was suffering from a dreaded skin disease. When he saw Jesus, he threw himself down and begged him, “Sir, if you want to, you can make me clean!”[t]
13 Jesus reached out and touched him. “I do want to,” he answered. “Be clean!” At once the disease left the man.

14 Jesus ordered him, “Don't tell anyone, but go straight to the priest and let him examine you; then to prove to everyone that you are cured, offer the sacrifice as Moses ordered.” Emphasis on verse 14pls.
And the second- Matthew 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples. 2 “The teachers of the Law and the Pharisees are the authorized interpreters of Moses' Law. 3 So you must obey and follow everything they tell you to do; do not, however, imitate their actions, because they don't practice what they preach.