Old man: Hello you mean those who give a damn went that way?

Me: Yes they went that way but you need to step outside first

Old man: So i step outside the go that way

Me: Yes yes yes just head that way thank you......

[b]Again, below Muhammad attests to the Torah's (Taurat) authority.

So, for Muslims to claim the Bible was corrupted is an argument already lost....

- In Surah 5:48 we are told that Muhammad is given the Qur'an as a confirmation of the bible; that is - it is meant to prove the bible's authenticity.... "And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it,"

- In Surah 46:12 we are told.... "Yet before it there was the Book of Moses (Torah/Old Testement) which was an authority, and a mercy. This (the Qur'an) is the Book confirming it in the Arabic tongue....."

Muhammad deferred to the Torah for Guidance Himself

Asked to produce the Torah and read from it, Âl 'Imran 3:93.

A group of Jews went to Muhammad and ask him to pronounce judgment on an adulterous couple. Muhammad asked for the Torah to be brought before him, and the couple was subsequently stoned, in accordance with the penalty laid down in the Torah. (see Sahih Bukhari Book 38, no. 4434)

This incident indicates that Muhammad deferred to the Torah for judgment. In the whole incident, there is no indication whatsoever that the Torah is not trustworthy, Also see: fate of those who do not live by Torah, al-Jum`ah 62:5 ; referred to settle dispute on food, Âl 'Imran 3:93-94 ; retribution in, al-Ma'idah 5:45

Torah/Taurat: This word occurs 18 times in the Qur'an. It refers to the 39 books that make up the Jewish & Christian Old Testament. Jesus Himself said "every iota" (or every bit) of this Torah/Taurat is true.[/b]

EyeHateGod:

Na For mouth?

lol Nonsensical Fellow how far? I am everly mouthed.

You do realise its not by force to open threads and Seun did not put up the option for creating new topics so people would make a joke out of it like you are doing.

Stop the kiddy games and grow up for once ...maybe then we would begin to take you seriously...Even your moniker is Nonsensical!

winner01 pay him no mind. There are more important threads worthy of your time.

winner01:
And you want people to refute your lies
c'mon, dont be stupid.

EPIC AGAIN! THREAD CLOSED EVEN TIGHTER!

winner01:
I just have a question for you. Answer that correctly and see what nuissance you've become.
Have you ever stormed a christian thread with a reasonable reply or refutation

I dont have hate on my moniker like you, so talk about something else other than hatred.
I could refute the nonsense you've written, but for few reasons:
What you've written is nothing new
Ill be repeating what ive said here countless times
Ill follow suit in your bigotry by addressing you
You've never given reasonable replies on other threads so why do you even expect a reasonable reply on your thread.

EPIC! THREAD CLOSED!

aminusanti:
Rubbish! Abeg Gerroout! ..time waster

lol sure! I am glad I wasted your time

aminusanti:
Rubbish! Abeg Gerroout! ..time waster

lol sure! I am glad I wasted your time. if you are quite finished then can you run along now?

Anas09:

I won't come 100km close to accepting Islam. I wont stir it even with a long stick.

Let them steal, that shows who they truelly are, sons of perdition.

They say Allah and I say Yahweh....I know Yahweh and not allah and follow Yahwehs teachings and am led by His spirit..What they put there as the key to enter their section with are mere words and mean nothing to me as my life belongs to Christ.

When I am done there I would simply discard the moniker or pick it up again whenever I want to go back in and engage them.

I will do anything to preach this gospel even if it means going into their den which is filled with ravenous wolves which they are known to be.

Anas09:


I wont be supprised if they move it into their section to hide ita content.

@Seun, i will say this and hoped to be banned.

It is very unfair of you to put biased Mods in a position like this.
Mods are responsible for moving threads and sending them to their appropriate sections, no one else here can do that, (except am wrong).

I opened a thread with regards to this sometime ago, that thread was closed immediately i published it, and i recieved a ban.
Am saying it again, if you don't want the Muslims to be together with us, then let them be where you kept them, but stop them from moving our threads and locking them up in their section. How can i open a thread and it gets stolen into an islamic section, and then am told to accept Islam first before i can comment on the thread i opened? Who does that?

You can't claim to be ignorant of what those you picked to work for you are doing sir.

A Moderator of yours steals Christian threads and you do nothing about it, WHY?

THIS HAS GOT TO STOP SIR.
get me banned, i don't care.

if it is moved to their section.....I would be going there with my thread.....Plain and simple.

aminusanti:

I can see your foolishness is endless and by God you will never achieve anything if this is the approach u ll using to know something and i just realized that u are full of confusion.
My simple question for u here is
Are u here to understand hadith and Quran or you are here to educate us based on your google knowlegde?

By God I have already begun achieving a whole lot. I currently have 7 private messages from muslims who have been viewing an who are now asking for deeper insight because even they have been having issues with all the messed up issues found in the Quran and Hadith so this thread is an eye opener so chill....

I am not here to understand the Quran or Hadith because your Muhammad declared that the Quran is written in simple words which anyone could understand so its not rocket science to understand.

Neither am I here to educate you....I am simply here to put the REAL TRUTH out there which has been shrouded in secrecy and shielded from all of you by your scholars....And then sit back and let common sense do the rest and judging by the 7 private messages I have received then common sense is prevailing.

Thanks for your time...Now I have more important things to attend to and more updating of this thread to do as well. Enjoy reading it.

mumels:


Funny at the defecating aspect. I do wonder about the idea of cleaning up your P area after urinating , what if you are in a place where there is no water then they are advice to use stone. Question is can you use stone innplace of water? Cos last i check I still use water to bath and not stone.

The thing tire me. So much emphasis on ridiculousness.....so much emphasis on unimportant stuff.

Muhammad was a skunk plain and simple.

Anas09:

Anas09 is different from Anas Bin Malik sir.

Anas bin Malik was a criminal follower of Criminial, rapist, pedophile Muhammed of Arabia.

A man like that is reffered to as the best human ever?

Are Muslims this foolish?

They are now looking for a reason to lock this thread or move it to their section...If it is moved i am following it there and will sacrifice this moniker by taking their oath so as to gain entry. At this point i really do not care about anything else but the truth and declaring same.

I have seen nothing but rage and name calling and threats since this thread began and even threats sent to my pm......Indeed they must be foolish to think they can scuttle this... it will not happen.

He may be the best man to them but all i am doing is look behind the veil of that their best man and the picture i am seeing is a shocker even to them

aminusanti:

How will you understand and comprehend explanation of any sort ? Now go back and read my post again check where i use "IF" in my statement, understand what "if " means first. Simple conditional statement u can't understand yet u are here bragging that u are debating..useless time waster.

I will still call you a fool for u to realize u are one. And again ur posts full of foolishness simply bcus u have no respect for the prophets, you throw all sort of insults to the prophet Mohammad (SWA) thinking that you are archieving something, u pple are not here for any truth seeking.

[b]You come here and call me a fool and expect me to give you a pat on the back? You come here trying to forcefully shove down my throat your gullible acceptance of Muhammad as a prophet... A man who was psychologically challenged and made a lot of laughable statements in stupidity.

Your Muhammad had a psychological obsession with urine and feces. In fact, he spent a great deal of time teaching on where, when, and how to urinate and defecate.

He was so obsessed with the subject that he taught that if someone got urine on his clothes or body, they suffered hellfire in the afterlife!... e.g

'One of the major sins is not to protect oneself [one's clothes and body] from one's urine [i.e., from being soiled with it]. Once the Prophet, while passing one of the grave-yards of Medina or Mecca, heard the voices of two persons being tortured in their graves.'

'The Prophet then added, '''Yes! [they are being tortured for a major sin]. Indeed, one of them never saved himself from being soiled with his urine' (vol. 1, chap. 57, no. 215).

According to vol. 2, no. 443, Muhammad said that people are tortured in hellfire because they soil themselves with urine.

Yet, at the same time, Muhammad ordered people to drink camel urine mixed in milk as medicine! Is Camel Urine holier than human Urine to the extent that Human urine would send you as a muslim to hell if it touches you?

'So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of camels and to drink their milk and urine' [as a medicine] (vol. 1, no. 234).

The rules for urination and defecation are as follows:

1. You must not face Mecca when urinating or defecating (vol. 1, nos. 146, 147, 150, 151).

2. You must not use your right hand to hold or wipe yourself (vol. 1, nos. 155, 156).

3. You must wash your privates after going to the bathroom (vol. 1, nos. 152, 153, 154, 157).

And you call such a person Sane and a prophet? Your intelligence is sub par![/b]

aminusanti:

How will you understand and comprehend explanation of any sort ? Now go back and read my post again check where i use "IF" in my statement, understand what "if " means first. Simple conditional statement u can't understand yet u are here bragging that u are debating..useless time waster.

I will still call you a fool for u to realize u are one. And again ur posts full of foolishness simply bcus u have no respect for the prophets, you throw all sort of insults to the prophet Mohammad (SWA) thinking that you are archieving something, u pple are not here for any truth seeking.

[b]
Which Prophet and which truth have you got to offer?

Your own Hadith records that Muhammad at times was bewitched and said and saw things under satanic inspiration (vol. 4, nos. 400, 490).

This admission on the part of the Hadith destroys in principle the Muslim claim that Muhammad was infallibly inspired.

Since it is admitted that Muhammad at times did and said things under satanic inspiration, then this in principle calls into question everything he did and said.


Your Hadith makes the repeated claim that no one ever leaves Islam.

He then asked, 'Does anybody amongst those who embrace his [i.e., Muhammad's] religion become displeased and renounce the religion afterwards?' I replied, '''NO''' '(vol. 1, nos. 6 and 48).

Then it contradicts itself by saying that death is the punishment for those who leave.

The prophet said, 'If somebody [a muslim] discard his religion [of Islam], kill him' (vol. 4, no. 260).

It even records the murders of those who left Islam for another religion (vol. 5, no. 630).

Volume nine of the Hadith has an entire section dedicated to warning those who would leave Islam - that they will be murdered (see vol. 9, pgs. 10-11, 26, 45-50, 341-342).

'So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection' (vol. 9, no. 64).

You insult yourself for claiming intelligent when you clearly are not. If my words are foolish and those words are exposing the fallacy in Islam and Muhammad do they not make the Quran and Muhammad foolish?

So which truth have you got to offer with reference to the above?[/b]

[b]The below verses from the Quran clearly shows that the gospel of Jesus and the Jewish Torah are the words of God as muslims are required to look to it for "Guidance and Light".

- Surah 2:87 - And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent apostles after him one after another; and We gave Isa, the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit,

- Surah 3:48 - And He (Isa/Jesus) will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Tavrat (Torah) and the Injeel (Christian Gospel).

- Surah 3:50 - And a verifier of that which is before me of the Taurat (Torah) and that I may allow you part of that which has been forbidden t you, and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me.

- Surah 5:44 - "Surely We revealed the Taurat (Torah/Bible Old Testament) in which was guidance and light", with it the prophets who submitted themselves....

- Surah 5:46 - And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat (Jewish Torah) and We gave him the Injeel (Christian Gospels) in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil).

- Surah 5.68 - Say: O followers of the Book! you follow no good till you keep up the Taurat and the Injeel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord;

- Surah 6.154: Again, We gave the Book (Torah) to Musa to complete (Our blessings) on him who would do good (to others), and making plain all things and a guidance and a mercy, so that they should believe in the meeting of their Lord.

- Surah 6.155: And this (Torah) is a Book We have revealed, blessed; therefore follow it and guard (against evil) that mercy may be shown to you.

- Surah 29:46 "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one;

- Surah 32:23 - And certainly We gave the Book to Musa, so be not in doubt concerning the receiving of it, and We made it a guide for the children of Israel.

- Surah 43:63 - When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me.

- Surah 46:12 we are told.... "And before it the Book of Musa (Moses) (Torah) was a guide and a mercy: and this is a Book verifying (it) in the Arabic language that it may warn those who are unjust and as good news for the doers of good......" [/b]

aminusanti:

it seems u like talkin too much on unrelevant issues
i wont watse my time replying u again if u are still not grabbing the point. Again!
if truly you want to get answers for any of your queries
follow this steps below


1- create a thread in or outside the islamic section and u will surely have replies if your queries are reasonable( tag me and wait for my reply )

2- be precise ( one query at a time for better understanding) and do not introduce new arguments while another argument has yet to be resolve

3- Do not move on to another argument if it is shown that a fact you have replied upon is inaccurate.

4- Provide evidence for your arguments *

4- Do not argue that you do not 'need' evidence

5- You must be respectful of Islam, Prophet Muhammad and the Quran. This means that no insults against Prophet Muhammad or anything hateful in regards to Islam should be thrown by my Christian opponent. I will not tolerate this, it’s immature and unscholarly. I will not insult or ridicule Christianity or the Bible and either should my opponent do so for Islam or the Quran. If this does happen, I will call off the debate.

6.) You Must be respectful. I believe both Christians and Muslims can be respectful of both faiths without name calling, insulting either the Bible or the Quran, or either debaters.

If you abide by the above you can start posting your queries any time and see who is hidding as you claim.

[b]
Eeyah was i the one who called you a fool? Remember you began the insults and name calling first...Or have you suddenly gone blind to your very actions? Now you wish to give me rules?

aminusanti(m): Quote Post

Jazallah hair bro
Exactly. I knw dis unbelievers with dis attitude for ages here on NL n you can hardly achieve anything debating with them.
There are like programmed fools and no amount of explanation will ever make sense to them, the best is just to ignore them to carry on with their Man worship..

Was that not your own quote?

The deceit in Islam and among you muslims is in epic proportions. You find it convenient to ridicule and insult but when the table is turned you begin to give conditions?

I have already put up my thread here and dropped my questions..feel free to pick on them one after the other and respond otherwise get out of this thread you deceiver!

Now you want to give conditions when on this thread i have not insulted anyone despite all provocations from al of you and you came on and on your 2nd or so post you already called me and all of us Christians FOOLS. Cretinous liars![/b]

[b]The Qur'an is not an authentic book or revelation. Much of the Qur'an was copied from early Christian texts. Mr. Luxenberg has traced the passages in the Qur'an dealing with "paradise" to a Christian text called Hymns of Paradise by a fourth-century author. Mr. Luxenberg said the word paradise was derived from the Aramaic word for garden and all the descriptions of paradise described it as a garden of flowing waters, abundant fruits and white raisins, a prized delicacy in the ancient Near East. In this context, white raisins, mentioned often as hur, Mr. Luxenberg said, makes more sense than a reward of sexual favors.

"I think the broader implications of some of the revisionist scholarship is to say that the Koran is not an authentic book, that it was fabricated 150 years later," says Ebrahim Moosa, a professor of religious studies at Duke University, as well as a Muslim cleric whose liberal theological leanings earned him the animosity of fundamentalists in South Africa, which he left after his house was firebombed.

The Samarkand (aka: Othman Koran) manuscript in the Soviet Library in Tashkent, Uzbekistan also uses the Kufic script, indicating late 8th century. Many believe it is the oldest in existence. Only About one-third of the original survives.

This Samarkand codice manuscript is considerably incomplete. It only begins in the middle of verse 7 of Suratul-Baqarah (the second Surah) and from there on numerous pages are missing. The next oldest Muslim manuscripts are also from the 8th-century. One is written in al-ma'il script and the other in Kufic. Neither of these correspond precisely to today's Qur'an. Also, in 1972, construction workers who were restoring the Great Mosque of Sana'a in Yemen found a cache of manuscripts scraps that differ and contradict today's Qur'an so badly, that Muslims try to hide this. These Yemeni Qur'an manuscripts date back to the 7th and 8th centures, and are actually the oldest found, and they are in Hijazi. Hijazi (Makkan or Madinan) script, is the script in which the earliest masahif of the Qur'an were written. These manuscripts calls to question whether the present Qur'an was delivered to Muslims in pristine form. Your guess is as good as mine as to who in addition to Muhammad made up the Qur'an.

Other than a few incorrect references to the patriarchs and Moses, the Qur’an is primarily centered on the period of time Muhammad himself lived in, including Muhammad's many military attacks on innocent caravans and Arabian villages. This seems to be hardly compatible with a holy revelation of God. Considering the complete absence of external and internal evidence that should effectively verify the revelatory character of the Qur'an, we find it very hard, if not impossible, to accept the Qur'an as a Message sent by God. This is particularly so, because the Qur'an contradicts earlier revelation, the evidence for the origin of which is given in Qur'an/Koran Suras below.
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Ask a Muslim, by whom, and when were the Christian and Jewish Scriptures corrupted? You will get a blank stare. Muslims only know is that this lie has been "drilled" into them since childhood same way Muslims here on Nairaland like WORDWORLD and Friendchoice have been shouting without any singular proof...Is all Indoctrination![/size]

Even though their own prophet completely attested to the genuineness and authenticity of the Old and New Testaments, Islam makes the claim that they have been corrupted. Why? Because the Qur'an erroneously contradicts them both. And Islamic clerics know it. In Muslim cleric minds this also relieves them of Muhammad's statements such like:

Muslims who have received the Qur'an have no solid grounds of faith, and that the foundation of the Muslim faith is insecure and insufficient and the Muslim religion is futile, unless they observe and follow the Taurat (Torah) and the Gospel (Injil).

[size=15pt]Many Muslims Imams and Mullahs falsely point to Surah 2:140 to try and prove that Jews and Christians had corrupted their Scriptures. Referring to the Jews, this Surah says; "...who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah?...?" Yet, nowhere does this Surah state that the Jews and Christians corrupted their scriptures. Muslim clerics need to point to something because they know that the Jewish Torah and Christian Gospels badly contradict the Islamic Qur'an. The fact that Muhammad and Allah told Muslims to believe in the Torah and Christian Gospels is a very bad dilemma for these professionals who wish to continue making a good living in Islam. [/size]

[size=20pt]Suras 6:34, 6:115, 10:64 and 50:28,29 clearly says to Muslims, "No change can there be in the words of Allah" and that Allah cannot alter (or abrogate) his words." So the Torah and Christian Gospels are correct, because Allah did verify this fact -- this clearly makes the Muslim Qur'an false; because it contradicts Allah.[/size]

As you can see from these verses in the Qur'an (Koran), the Gospel of Jesus and the Jewish Torah are the divine Word of Allah, and Muhammad commanded the reading of the Holy Injil (Gospel of Jesus) and the Torah (Taurat) as part of Islam.

[size=20pt]As a Good Muslim who claims to revere Jesus - Have you read the Gospel of Jesus?[/b][/size]

[b]There are no Arabic chronicles of Islam from the first century of Islam. Many of the earliest documents known about Islam refer to the followers of Muhammad as "hagarenes," and the "tribe of Ishmael," in other words as descendants of Hagar, the servant girl that the Jewish patriarch Abraham used to father his son Ishmael.

This same quality of transmission we find regarding the Jewish and Christian bible cannot be said of the Islamic Qur'an. The Islamic Qur'an was mostly written down from 3rd and 4th hand accounts; and from a few thoughts written on scrap papers, palm leaves and stones --and compiled over 150 years after Muhammad died in 632 A.D. In the Mishtatu ‘lMasabih, chapter 3, we are informed that by the command of the first Caliph, Abu Bakr, the text of the Qur’an was “collected” by Zaid ibn Thabit “from palm leaves and stones and from the breasts of those who had learned by heart” the various revelations." Abu Bakr’s copy came into the possession of Hafsah, one of Muhammad’s widows. Qustalani states that after Hafsah’s death her copy was torn to pieces by Mirwan, who was governor of Medina.

The oldest Qur'an dates from around 790 A.D. (after Jesus), and it is in the British Library. That's 158 years after Muhammad’s death.

Muslims often claim that the manuscript of the Qur'an housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey is one of the oldest sources. Muslims say it dates from around 650 A.D. There is an insurmountable problem with this. This document is written in Kufic (also known as al-Khatt al-Kufi) script. Coins in the British Museum show that the first coins using the Kufic script date from the mid to end of the 8th century (750-800 A.D.). The only script used during and after Muhammad's days was the Jazm script. These earliest copies of the Qur'an are written without vowels and diacritical dots that modern Arabic uses to make it clear what letter is intended. In the eighth and ninth centuries, more than a century after the death of Muhammad, Islamic commentators added diacritical marks to clear up the ambiguities of the text.

Sorry suicide bombers. There will be no sexual favors (virgins) for you --where you are going

For example, the famous passage about the virgins is based on the word hur, which is an adjective in the feminine plural meaning simply "white." Islamic tradition insists the term hur stands for "houri," which means virgin, but Mr. Luxenberg who teaches at the Saarland University in Germany insists that this is a forced misreading of the text. In both ancient Aramaic and in at least one respected dictionary of early Arabic, hur means "white raisin."

[/b]

aminusanti:

my guy carry on with ur blind debate and u will soon find no muslim responding to your idiologic foolishness without ref.
whenever u ready for rational n logical debate then u are welcome

"Woe to every sinful liar. Who hears the verses of Allah recited to him, then persists arrogantly as if he had not heard them. So give him tidings of a painful punishment.And when he knows anything of Our verses, he takes them in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment".
(Quran 45:7-10)

Since you claim i am ridiculing your ignoble Quran then come out from your hiding place of a dedicated section and create a thread so we can debate it. Or would you rather have me come into your dedicated section which was created in order to curb your intolerance? If you say YES i would gladly sacrifice a moniker and take your oath so i can engage you.

Fair enough?

[quote author=aminusanti post=50100460]
Jazallah hair bro
Exactly. I knw dis unbelievers with dis attitude for ages here on NL n you can hardly achieve anything debating with them.
There are like programmed fools and no amount of explanation will ever make sense to them, the best is just to ignore them to carry on with their Man worship.. [/quote


By the time you all come out from hiding behind your dedicated section here on NL then you can call others fools for not being willing to engage in debates.

Why was the Muslim section given a dedicated section with restrictions was it not because your lack of tolerance when it comes to debates?

If you were not fools would you threaten death on anyone here who engaged you and then turn around to rejoice when given a dedicated section? Bunch of loonies

I have asked you to use the door already or can you not recognize the door anymore? Run back to the safety of your dedicated section.

mumels:


He can't. Cos most of them are liars. They calculatively select their prey and opponents just like Zaik Nair. He does not debate know christian debators. Instead he goes about renting halls and gathering Hindus and Muslims and some few christians saying he his debating.

Just leave these people, I for one I don't have issue with them but with the ideology behind their belief. Most of then are actually nice in person IF NOT FOR THEIR BELIEF.

Exactly! This thread is focused on the IDEOLOGY and not on any of them. Instead of them making logically historically verifiable comments they are here throwing a temper tantrum on every turn.

Are they not supposed to know more about their history and ideology than i do? How come none of them has been able to counter this thread? Instead they have been cursing and raging and threatening.

alfarouq:
Some people are so lazy to use their brains and they are do arrogant to accept the truth even if it has been made as clear as day and night. 4evergod, anas, demagolux, please how many of you have truly picked up the Qur'an yourselves and study it to validate some of this your copy and paste. I know most of you haven't because pastors always deceive their gullible followers that they must never go close to the Quran claiming its a book of hypnosis and no matter who you are, you become enchanted with it, they refuse to tell their followers that it is actually the truth therein that enchants people who study it with a sceptic but open mind. You know its going to cost them the thites they receive and they will not be able to afford private jets.
Somebody talked about history, so how does it feel to ask Hitler to write about the Jews or you ask hopeful landlord or eyegateGod or rancho to write about Jesus and approve and accept it as the absolute truth about Jesus.
Mind you I did not call any Muslim because Muslims rever Jesus and so you are bound to see many things favorable to Jesus if a Muslim was to write.
Peace be upon those who are worthy of it and deserve it.

When i read the comments made by muslims like you i just shake my head in disgust. In my expose did i not make reference to the Quran and Hadith? Were those fabrications too?

I asked a question earlier...Has muhammad or Islam got no History? Can History be falsified even when there are tons of proof to support it?

If you feel these are lies then open a counter thread and post what you call the truth and tag me.

I gave an opportunity here to enable a balanced read from both the Quran and Hadith with reference to true Historical content and you are here mouthing off.

Please take your hatred to a thread you created.

aminusanti:

U lack common sense. truth indeed!
I would always comment and highlight your errors/lies when I see them and that's what u pple dislike but will never waste my time on lame questions like this which were already been trashed.

Oh wait before you leave....

@ the bolded since you feel all i am doing is lying then kindly open a thread and drop your own version of islam and muhammads history and tag me. Can you do that?

aminusanti:

U lack common sense. truth indeed!
I would always comment and highlight your errors/lies when I see them and that's what u pple dislike but will never waste my time on lame questions like this which were already been trashed.

Thanks for your comment. Now since you have nothing more to add kindly use the door. Your comment has been noted. I am forced to hold back laughter at the bolded

Alhajipablo:
Mtchew;If you want to know about Muhammad's history it has been documented by Islamic Scholars,should I recommend one of such to you?

How convenient! So only Islamic scholars have access to Muhammads history. If you had read my opener you would have clearly seen where i said that most of my evidence are from Islamic scholars themselves ...

Your islamic scholars who are in possession of Muhammads history did they say he was not born into a Pagan family who worshipped Hubal and a god named Allah even before muhammad was born?

Did they say that the Kaabah did not have 360 gods in it one of which was a god named Allah?

Did they say that Muhammad did not speak and recant in the name of abrogating certain statements in the Quran?

Did they say that Muhammad himself or Allah wrote the Quran?

Did the scholars know more than Muhammads child wife who had first hand witness and spoke by herself at certain times including when she said

"The verse of the stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the messenger of Allah expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper."

aminusanti:

See another lousy kafir. I laugh in hebrew after reading your childish post, you are seeing those copy n paste as serious questions while I am seeing it as complete trash n rubbish, can't u read and see how my other fellow friend trashed it without any waste of time yet you are here bragging without shame, the problem u pple are not even reading what u are coping on the net that's why u will never understand any simple explanation.

Of course you would see truth as trash why wouldnt you? I asked a question above please answer it if you can...if you cannot then the door is behind you.

Alhajipablo:
which history;something written by a xtain propagandist? Some of us are too busy to involve ourselves in baseless rumours. Wanna debate about Islam do it in the light of Quran and Sunnah and not just some cooked up stories by someone somewhere.

Did muhammad not have a history? Does Islam not have a History? Was there no idol in Kaabah named Allah? Deny these and deny that muhammad had no history which nobody knew...Was he a ghost?

The Bans and post deleting have started coming so i need to take some precautionary measures if i am to see this truth revealing to the end.

The Jewish and Christian Bibles were written by "inspired men of God" who immediately committed God's Word to writing. Islam doesn't even have either an original or inspired Qur'an. The Muslim Qur'an was made up supposedly from "memory" from those who supposedly committed the words of Muhammad to memory, and from a few scraps found under a bed. This was originally begun about 15-20 years after Muhammad died at his wife Ayish's home in Medina, and he was lowered into a hole in the ground, where he remains. The compilation was not finished until at least 150 years after Muhammad's death. This "hearsay" argument seriously brings the credibility of the Qur'an into question. But, that's only the beginning. All the errors, including simple mathematical and historical errors you will see in the Qur'an below renders it impossible to be a divine revelation.

Al Bukhari, a Muslim scholar of the 9th-10th century, and the most authoritative of the Muslim tradition compilers, writes that whenever Muhammad fell into one of his unpredictable trances his revelations were written on whatever was handy at the time. The leg or thigh bones of dead animals were used, as well as palm leaves, parchments, papers, skins, mats, stones, and bark. And when there was nothing at hand the attempt was made by his disciples to memorize it as closely as possible.

Zaid b. Thabit said: “The Prophet died and the Qur’an had not been assembled into a single place.”

Zuhri reports, 'We have heard that many Qur'an passages were revealed but that those who had memorized them fell in the Yemama fighting. Those passages had not been written down, and following the deaths of those who knew them, were no longer known; nor had Abu Bakr, nor `Umar nor `Uthman as yet collected the texts of the Qur'an.

“During the battle of Yamama, 450 reciters of the Quran were killed.”

Muhammad's child wife said this after Muhammad died:

"The verse of the stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the messenger of Allah expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper."

As to the Taurat (Torah), Jewish scribes painstakingly copied it via a system of checking, double checking and adding each letter on each line. Any attempt to change something in the Torah would have resulted in immediate discovery and condemnation. And copies of the Torah from around the world agree exactly. Thousands of the Hebrew Old Testament manuscript copies are still available for textual criticism, ranging in age from the second century B.C. (Before Christ) to the eleventh century A.D. (After Christ).

GOD WILL ALWAYS PROVE HIS WORD IF WE BELIEVE




THERE WAS THIS GUY IN FESTAC THEN WHOM NOBODY KNEW WAS A HOMOSEXUAL UNTIL THE DAY WE MET WHILE ON EVANGLISM. HOW WE MET IS A LONG STORY AS IT WAS THROUGH MY YOUNGER BROTHER BUT WE MET AND PREACHED AND THEN PRAYED FOF HIM IN THEIR FLAT ON THE THIRD FLOOR OF THE BLOCK OF FLAT.

WHILE WE PRAYED HE BEGAN TO ACT WEIRD AND BEGAN TO SAY WITH HIS OWN MOUTH THAT HE IS A HOMOSEXUAL AND HAS SLEPT WITH SEVERAL YOUNG BOYS IN THEIR AREA AND HE BEGAN TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE WE COULD NOT SEE BUT WE COULD HEAR HIS RESPONSES.

HE WAS SAYING WORDS LIKE " I LOVE YOU...YOU ARE SO BEAUTIFUL. ..I WILL DELIVER THE MESSAGE....PLEASE DONT GO...DONT LEAVE ME....AND SUDDENLY HE CAME TO AND RAN STRAIGHT FOR THEIR LIVING ROOM WINDOW IT TOOK A BROTHER WHO WAS WITH US TO STOP HIM SWIFTLY OTHERWISE HIS AIM WAS TO JUMP THROUGH THAT WINDOW.

AS WE GRABBED HIM HE BEGAN TO CRY AND SAY " HE IS LEAVING ME, HE IS SO BEAUTIFUL , THID PLACE IS UGLY I WANT TO GO WITH HIM" SUDDENLY HE SAID THE PERSON ASKED HIM TO DELIVER A MESSAGE AND SAID WE SHOULD LEAVE HIM AND HE WENT AND GOT A PEN AND A LONG NOTEBOOK. HE STARTED TO WRITE AND DID NOT STOP UNTIL HE EXHAUSTED 4 PAGES BACK TO BACK.

APARENTLY HE ENCOUNTERED WHOM HE CALLED JESUS WHILE HE WAS BEING PRAYED FOR AND DELIVERED AND IT WAS JESUS WHO HE SAID WAS SO BEAUTIFUL AND WAS LEAVING HIM AND HE TURNED TO THE PASTOR WHO WAS WITH HIM AND SAID " JESUS SAID YOU SHOULD GIVE THIS MESSAGE TO OYEDEPO" AND HE HANDED THE WRITTEN MESSAGE TO HIM.

THAT SAME YEAR WAS THE YEAR REINHARDT BONNKE WAS COMING TO NIGERIS FOR A CRUSADE AND CGM DRAFTED THAT SAME PASTOF TO BE AMONGT THE PLANNING COMITTEE AS ALL MINISTRIES CAME TOGETHER TO PLAN AND ASSIST BONNKE. IN ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS SOMEHOW THIS PASTOR SAT RIGHT NEXT TO OYEDEPO AND HE DELIVERED THE MESSAGE. I WILL NOT DISCLOSE THE CONTENT OF THAT MESSAGE HERE BECAUSE I WAS PRIVY TO IT.


QUESTION: HOW COULD AN UNBELIEVER WHO WAS BEING DELIVERED SEE INTO THE FUTURE AND KNOW THAT PASTOR WOULD SOON SIT BESIDE OYEDEPO IF IT HAD NOT BEEN DIVINELY REVEALED TO HIM? HMMMMM


I BEGAN TO DEVELOP A DEEPER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AFTER I READ BENNY HINNS BOOK (GOODMORNING HOLY SPIRIT) AND MY LIFE WENT DEEPER AND HIGHER AT THE SAME TIME WITH GOD.

More to come

Christianity is a growth process because faith grows. There are believers who have overcome the fear of death and I am one of such examples. Some have not.

Same way you have atheists who do not believe in evolution while others do so are believers when it comes to the issue of death.

There are few perfect believers so you cannot judge a believer yet with the perfect word of God in their imperfection.

This thread is childish as all you aim to do is not learn but simply mock. If you reply me I will not respond because I have said all I need to say.

Enjoy your Atheistic years while they last.

AccidentalGenius:
our life her on earth is centered on the choices each an every individual makes irrespective of their beliefs. Every choice a man makes takes him on a path. Good people make a choice to be good. Some claim to be good for religion, some don't. Evil people made a choice to be evil. Some are evil on for their beliefs, some aren't. A person is responsible for himself and his choices. A person who chooses to believe in a god is his choice. A person who chooses to not believe in a god is his choice. That is what our time on earth is centered on. Our choices. Don't attach everything evil to atheism indirectly. Whats the difference between that and tribalism?

Atheists believe that morality is subjective so where is this your good or evil talk coming from? How can you conclude an act of evil isnt actually good or vice versa?

Why would you call anyone evil or good? If you believe morality is subjective then any negative comment made about atheism or atheists should not upset you should it?

So why even mention evil?