Kudos to the defence lawyers
The defence lawyers are so amazing in their profession.They did explicitly justice to the case.
I am grateful to God for Trump victory.

The bitterness of the democrats and house manager against Trump is so great.McConnell final speech as the leader of the minority under the republican is so devastating.however,I am grateful to God for Trump victory.The defence lawyers are so amazing in their profession, did a great work.

Determine in your heart not to get involve again.Also try to delete any porn video in your phone and also try to do away with Android phone.Use java phone that cannot browse for a period of one year.Most importantly speak to someone you trust and that can daily check on you concerning the matter of pornography.

orisa37:
THIS THREAD IS AN ABERRATION. AND IT'S A LIE. IT'S AN ATHEIST UNBELIEF.

Thank you

Muttley and John,both of you started well on this thread as Sheep belong to Jesus but ended as one who just wear sheep clothing.How can you prove to anyone that read through this thread that you are both Christian?For God sake,the topic on this thread is not for babies.Reigning abusing words on one another as babies do.Please stop it,it is not godly

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MaxInDHouse:


Jesus' statement means "If you want to follow me, you too must see yourself as someone under torture because there are lots of things people out there are doing but due to the love of Christ you'll keep your restraint in order to be approved on the last day, surely you can't satisfy yourself anymore like others will do even when they know it's wrong, you will loose lots of worldly friends, families, jobs and so on because you're now a Christian. Take it upon yourself that you are experiencing torture in a world that's about to expire and Jesus will crown you with everlasting life in Paradise" Matthew 10:32-39

See you there!

But Jesus spoke about the cross,even when he has not gone to the cross.His statement were not also futuristic like what he asked the two sons of Zebedee in Matt20:22.
It means the cross existed before he was tortured and finally went to the physical cross or stake

jesusjnr2020:
The cross wasn't necessarily a literal one. It represented the price that one had to pay to walk with Jesus at the level He walked.

This level transcends that of just being saved.

It's the level of the Spirit.

It's the God's Kingdom of Earth.

It takes much more to walk at that level than what it takes to be saved.

So what it requires to walk at that level is the cross Jesus was talking about.

God bless.

but what is still surprising,it is Jesus conversations with the young man.In Mark10:17-21
7  And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

 18  And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

 19  Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

 20  And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

 21  Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

At the end,Jesus still tell him to take up the cross and follow him.
That means there is something more to the cross.
1)the cross is not keeping the ten commandments only
2)Is not just selling all we have and giving to the poor
3)Is not just laying treasure in heaven.

On a serious note,someone should help me with the topic above.I mean to say,What was this CROSS Jesus was telling the disciple to carry?
Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Barka00:
Na for your papa house them born am abi?

You don't need to insults anybody

Dididrumz:



so what are You saying na?
If He wasn't born in a manger as You've said, where was He born? You just said he wasn't born in a manger and expect us to argue with You or agree with You without giving us reasons for Your claim?

Many a time, we don't read the Bible between the lines.Most time, we just keep the tradition or the story as we were told by our Pastor without checking further.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem,wrapped in swaddling clothes and was lain in a manger (Luke2:7).Take note,he was lain in a manger,not born in a manger.
A manger is defined as “a trough or open box in a stable designed to hold feed or fodder for livestock.

Jesus was born in a manger as claimed by most ministers.But as for me, Jesus was never born in a manger.
Many a time, we don't read the Bible between the lines.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem,wrapped in swaddling clothes and was lain in a manger (Luke2:7).Take note,he was lain in a manger,not born in a manger.
A manger is defined as “a trough or open box in a stable designed to hold feed or fodder for livestock
Nairalander,what is your take on it

Dtruthspeaker:



I disagree with you all on this for if you knew God, you will know that He is The Most Dangerous Guy in the World and Anyone in Alliance and Connection with Him, is Very very Dangerous Too

Dtruthspeaker,I want to thank you for your contribution to this thread.however,next time try to coined your word when you talk about God.What make you described God as a guy and very very dangerous?
please and please, it is not good.
That a man offend God and didn't ask for mercy nor repent, even though, he has been given a long opportunity to do so and was now punish by God, does not make God to be very very dangerous.God is lovely and merciful father

Myer:



But it is believed that he was taken away and did not die.

Pls read my comment from the beginning of this thread.
Also read the following scripture and decide what to believe

Psalm89:48 What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave? 
Rom.5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Psalm 82:6-7
6 have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Eccl.3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die;

Eccl.8:8 There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neitherhath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.

1Kings19: 4 But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O LORD, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers. 

Elijah requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O LORD, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers. This is where Elijah signed his death warrant and granted by God.This is the reason God told him to anoint Elisha in his place

Myer:

Enoch and Elijah did not die like normal people do.

My stand is that, they die, whether like normal people or not is an issue.

Ihedinobi3:



The Bible does not treat death like a positive thing. It treats it like an enemy. In fact, it calls it one (1 Corinthians 15:26). This is the reason that it is important that we respect what the Bible says about Enoch. Enoch's translation is in the Bible as a type of the living resurrection of the Church. Dismissing that costs us a significant blessing of encouragement that the Lord provides for us, especially for those who will live through the Tribulation.

Please,can you prove to me how the old testament character become a living example for the church?
whatsoever,that happen in the old is a shadow of the new testament.Jesus is the first and type of the living resurrection of the church.No human being including Enoch have a glorified body like that of Jesus to ascend to heaven.

Rev.1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Truvel:
Stop Twisting God's Word. He Didn't Die.

you may say,I am twisting the word of God,
please can you tell me,if Enoch is listed among the dead that will rise first or how will Enoch rise, since you claim he didn't die.

johnw47:


God sent enoch to a early grave to protect him from those evil people
who might have killed him, laugh

God kills those who please him, to protect them, laughing

Heb 11:5  By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death; and he was not found, because God had taken him. For it was attested before he was taken away that he had pleased God.

God is Life. He might kill His enemies

brother, that the Bible say ,Enoch was taken that he did not experience death or see death, does not mean he did not died. lets look at

John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
those this mean, the disciples that keeping His saying did not see death.In fact almost all the disciple died a shameful death.

furthermore on the subject. the bible say,in Roman 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
if death reigned from Adam to Moses,was Enoch not included?

petra1:


Ascension is different from "being taken " secondly in context Jesus was talking about People living on earth. Like "None of you here has gone to visit heaven before" so you can't talk about heaven like me who came from heaven .

Jn 3:12 — Jn 3:13
If I have told you of things that happen right here on the earth and yet none of you believes Me, how can you believe (trust Me, adhere to Me, rely on Me) if I tell you of heavenly things?
And yet no one has ever gone up to heaven, but there is One Who has come down from heaven—the Son of Man [Himself],Who is (dwells, has His home) in heaven.


Living bible makes it clearer


John 3:13
No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heavenJohn 3:13
No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven..

At the time Jesus was making this statement,He has not bodily ascended to heaven nor did he descend bodily.When He said "no man" or "no one" he mean no man.We have see Angel descended and ascended to heaven in scripture.Yet Jesus said no man.That is to say,he was particular about man and not spirit being.As for man,no one but for Jesus and other heavenly being yes.Jesus said before Abraham I was

MaxInDHouse:


EXCELLENT!

Enoch was sent to his early grave because God wanted to protect him from those wicked people!

Death of God's servants is like a sweet sleep {John 11:11-14} because God keeps them all in his memory! Job 14:13-15

This Bible verse actually backup your comment
Isaiah 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

thank you very much

Dtruthspeaker:


You are Wrong for Everyone Around Enoch BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER, THE BIBLE EXPRESSLY AND CLEARLY TELLS US, "THEY DIED"

BUT NOT ENOCH, WHERE THE BIBLE EXPRESSLY AND DIRECTLY TELLS THAT GOD TOOK him Only That we were not told how, unike Elijah's Taking.

I am glad,you said God took him,that mean he died.
Job said,in Job1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
Take note of the phrase,......"the Lord hath taken away"this he said,reffering to his children that were dead.

Also take a look at Isaiah 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
take note of "merciful men are taken away" to say,they died

Dtruthspeaker:


Respectfully, as twisted as your header is, so twisted is your soul because you are searching for what is not missing.

Which further means that you do not accept what is in front of you so you are looking for another alternative.

thank you very much for your comment.

I thank everyone for your comment

In Genesis 5:22-24,
the bible say" And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.This statement has been misinterpreted to mean that Enoch did not died and was taken to heaven. But looking at the description of those who we believe died from verse 3 to 20 you will notice this expression "all his days" and it means that the person lived for that length of time only "and he died." the same was said of Enoch in verse 23 to mean Enoch died after he lived for 365years.
Also,the phrase "he was not" mean to say he died.Ithen Matt.2:17-18 Bible say, "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not ".
The verses above speak of the infants that were killed by the order of king Herod in a way to kill Jesus.
The scripture say,they are not meaning they died.How then do people say, Enoch did not die.reading Hebrew 11:1-13 you will find out that from Abel vs4 to Sarah vs12 of the genealogy of faith die as stated in verse 13.Enoch is inclusive.
Bible also say Enoch was translated,but what does translated mean

The original Greek word for "translate" is metatithemi.According to Arndt-Gingrich's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 1969 edition, the primary meaning is to "convey to another place . . . transfer" (p. 514).

The same Greek word is rendered "carried over" in Acts 7:16. Here we read that after Jacob died his body was "carried over"—transported, translated—to Sychem where he was buried! That's what your Bible says! Jacob was transported or translated to the place of burial!

the Greek word for "carried over" in Acts7:16 is the same Greek word for "translate" in Heb.11:5 I.e G3346
That is why Moses said that God took Enoch. God removed—translated—him so that he was not found. God took Enoch and buried him,just as He did to Moses.

Some believe,he was taken to heaven,but Jesus said, in Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Nairaland,I need your opinion for or against