@ Racoon: I saw the list of failed ministries and included Gesthmane prayer Ministry(Rev.Dr.Mose Aransiola/Prof.Babatunde(Biochemistry UI). Please point of correction, Gesthmane prayer Ministry is more powerful than ever and Moses Aransiola is a man of God that is sought after more outside the country. He is a man of God that did not make noise on the net. Take time and listen to one of his message https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg1I-nGDRJA&pbjreload=101
@ Izzoutaxidriver, Of a truth, it is a waste of time replying to a post by a frustrated man venting his anger on God. He has nothing to say only demonstrating his total lack of basic understanding showing that he got no brain. He needs our pity.
MuttleyLaff: Leave forum members out of your unpleasant, distasteful and/or thankless job of not stopping to persistently hound and pester DSA. OK? Do your harassing him by yourself alone and just by yourself only.
Yes, that is true and it as a matter of fact, is especially true if you are a sheeple Nigerian Christian
"First of all, I must say that I am not attacking the personalities of elders.
I am not attacking the individuals that I am mentioning. I think I must point this out that I am not attacking people. I am not attacking Adeboye, Oyakhilome or any of the people’s video I have showed. I am correcting the wrong doctrines they are preaching and practicing. I am just correcting the doctrines." - http://sundayadelajablog.com/yoruba-man-believed-not-yoruba-man-way-attacking-elders-will-react/
Maybe if you offer to pay for his flight and the logistics' cost, for all he plans to do, then you will see him in Nigeria, come to show these moG how to do "it"
Gbam.
[img]https://s5/images/shmMuttleyLaffrolleyes.gif[/img] Why you come spoil everything you correctly observed with such a wrong "kick penarity into throw in" conclusion comment like this nah.
paxonel, all you needed to have done was to look up DSA's track record. To have gone to research, check and/or look at a record of his past achievements, which would and/or could serve as a good and/or reliable indicator of the possible solutions DSA plans, has in mind for the country, and be a gauge for future performance.
"Dr Sunday Adelaja's (DSA) Ministry: In 1993, 7 people and he founded the "Embassy of the Blessed Kingdom of God for All Nations" in his apartment. The church was officially founded in 1994 as the "World of Faith Bible Church".
In 2013, the church claimed 25,000 members in Kiev, 100,000 members in Ukraine, and 1,000 churches in the rest of the world.
Thousands of people are fed daily in the church’s soup kitchens in Kiev. The church also has a program helping homeless people acquire skills, thus helping them back to a normal life and work. According to the church, 2,000 children have been helped off the street and have been returned to their families.
Furthermore, the church runs a 24-hour hotline, named "Trust line" for people in need to call for help. The church also works with addicted people and has a program helping them to be set free from their various addictions. The main organization is called "Love Rehabilitation Center.”
According to the church, more than 5000 drug and alcohol addicted people have been set free from their addictions through the church’s work. Homeless people are served food in one of the rooms of the "Stephania" soup kitchen of the Embassy of God church. Picture was taken December 30, 2006.
The New York Times made the following statement about Adelaja: "Could there be a more unlikely success story in the former Soviet Union than the Rev. Sunday Adelaja, an immigrant from Nigeriawho has developed an ardent — and enormous — following across Ukraine?"
He founded many educational institutions connected to the church, and among them the following are more known: #1/ the Joshua Missionary Bible Institute in Ukraine, #2/ the Center of Restoration of Personality and Transformation of the Society in Ukraine, #3/ the History Makers Bible School in the USA, the UK, Germany, France, #4/ and the Institute for National Transformationin Nigeria. " - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Adelaja#Awards_and_honors
Yes DSA has an impressive track record before 2016. Please tell us his records after his records of sleeping with over 30 women of his church and why his pastors resigned enmass?
Ravibes: A Nigerian has taken to his twitter handle to raise condemnation against the richest man of God in Africa,a Nigerian minister of God popularly known as Bishop David Oyedepo.
Bishop David Oyedepo of Living Faith Church Worldwide, also known as Winners' Chapel International has been dragged out for scrutiny over his tremendous wealth he has acquired as a minister of God and alleged directive that members should pay to church their "first fruits", a term for their first salary of the year as offering.
0temSapien: Billions of years back when God Almighty first informed its first humanlike creatures about sex, here is how Jehovah aka Yahweh reacted:
Adspiramen 2:27-29
27. Every living being, the male Homos like you all, has two lives to live in two different planets. The shapes of the planets you shall exist in these two times are in your scrotal sacs. You also have right to make your own life with the liquid that shall be generated from your sacs.
28. When Yahweh heard this, he smiled gently to himself and God the Universe knew the intention of his mind. "Yahweh," God called him before all. "Do what you want to do, for no one can stop you from doing so."
29. Yahweh bowed before God the Universe and gave thanks to it.
Yahweh's knack for sex was revealed in the chapters which follows.
Sorry, is that what the secret cult are teaching you and you believed it?
AntiChristian: Keep fighting and killing... Goliath don suffer! You may even be a Goliath to someone!
It seems that you have a problem with your mental reasoning, that is why your comments are awkward. Please read the post again to be sure you actually understood the post.
No be only Melchizedek, na Yahweh or Elohim you suppose be. Anyways, Make I leave you to wander in your darkness!
Sorry, i doubt if you actually know the meaning and the different between light and darkness because you are spiritually blind to differentiate beween the two.
Do you go to church? If you do and the pastor or anybody in that church compels you to give an offering, pay tithe or give first fruit against your will, please consider changing to another church. Moreover, I wish to advise such people that they can switch over to the Apostolic Faith Church. In that church (Apostolic Faith Church), you will never know where the offering box is and nobody will ever bother you about tithe or any form of giving.
I said this because the issues of tithe and offering s or first fruit are giving some people more headaches than ever. Even though some of them don’t even go to church in the first place yet they are mad at any mention of a tithe, offering or first fruit.
I am saying this so that frustrations of some people will come down and those who are not going to church will start to go to church. If you decide to go to church, I am saying this with authority, try winners chapel, Rccg or Dunamis churches, if the pastor of that church compels you to give an offering or any form of giving, please try to get the name of that branch and the pastor and he will be fired.
I am sure of what I am saying because offering in the above churches, nobody bothers to know if you give or not. Pastors of those churches don’t even go near to where they are counting the offering. By so doing, frustration about Adeboye or Oyedepo will not kill you since no dime of yours has entered their church finance.
Please don’t be like a foolish man that said that schools are expensive, that he will not go to school. Oyedepo said, that man should try ignorance. Others are swimming in affluence via their encounter in churches, don’t be left out over tithes and offering. Nobody is compelling you to pay or not to pay.
BluntBoy: Yes, God did not ask us to give firstfruits.
"Us" here means non-Jewish Christians. If we (ken4christ, alBHAGDADI and I, for example) had lived in the time when the church was in its infant stage, we would have been called Gentile Christians. the word gentile means outsider or a non-Jew. So, a Gentile Christian is a non-Jewish Christian.
The issue of whether Gentile Christians should keep the Jewish Laws did not start today. It arose even in the Early Church and reached such a destructive point that Paul and Barnabas had to be sent from Antioch to the Jerusalem church to confer with the other elders on the issue of whether Gentile Christians should keep the Jewish Laws (otherwise known as the Laws of Moses) and be circumcised.
The council of elders reached an agreement through the help of the Holy Spirit. Here is the agreement:
"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: (Acts 15:28)
Please, note the words beyond the following requirements
This means that the Holy Spirit would not burden us (Gentile Christians or non-Jewish Christians) beyond some certain requirements.
"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
you are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell." (Acts 15-28-29)
Let us highlight these two verses directed at us, Gentile or non-Jewish Christians.
The Holy Spirit does not want to burden us with anything beyond the following requirements:
1. We should not consume food sacrificed to idols
2. We should not consume the blood or flesh of strangled animals
3. We should abstain from sexual immorality.
ken4christ and alBHAGDADI, I didn't see firstfruits on the requirements. How come?
This thread is also directed at the tithers, especially those who follow the false teachings of Adeboye, Oyedepo and their ilks on tithes.
My dear, is any man of God forcing you to pay tithe or first fruit? Please keep your money and your poverty. However, it only fools that doubts proof. Those who are obeying God are reaping the benefits that follows their obedience. Problems with some chronic unbelievers is that they claim to know it all while as the scripture says of natural man like you in 1Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
loswhite: You did not counter any of his point? Who is the church? Why are you pretending like you don't know the offering money are paid into pastors account...lol even if they call it church account it is still the pastor and one puppet that is signatory to the account
By your argument, it means that you and the FR do make use of the church offerings.
This man has just nailed it. One can give God part or all he has blessed him with voluntarily without being compelled by anyone.
What 'igbalode' pastors do is to create fears in the minds of the gullible ones so they can do their bidding. Their bidding is certainly monetary.
They are actually using women(wives) to get to their husbands to be able to partake in the church/pastoral giveaways.
If a husband and a wife join a church today, pastors will only find a way to corner the wife. He might say God told me about you: he might say write your prayers points in a piece of book and bring to me God asked me to pray for you. It is all gimmicks. They want to know how the family is doing.... Monetary wise.
The other day a pastor's son himself a pastor was doing maths on how to bring your first payment in a new year to your pastor.
Why are they particular about money?
How can a pastor have about three private jets? To do what exactly? To compete with the people of the world. Who is the real man of God!
The money paid to pastors is what they use in buying private jets and luxurious cars. In pentecostal churches, the money brought in dere belongs solely to the pastor
Please is pastors buying private jet the cause of your frustration?
Looking at ur scripted writing made me believe u are one of the people we are talking about. They have turned the Bible upside down. If u can't pick meaning from the man of God above then there is problem. Giving tithes is quite different from the first fruits. No one can compel me to give my whole salary as first fruit. But because of fear, people have mistaken the right thing and replace it with wrong. I pray God touch the soul of every believer to know what's right for them
He is a scholar of the scriptures and is telling you that according to the scriptures it is wrong. God will surely visit punishment upon wicked pastors who preach such vile doctrines
Please differentiate between giving your salary to God (church) and giving it to a pastor. Please what is wrong for you may not be wrong for me in this situation. You may not be having not up to ten thousand in your account and i may be having some hundred of thousands in my account. in this context, it is wrong for you to give pastor your salary but to me, giving a pastor my salary is never wrong for me
Udochukwujude: WHY DO YOU HAVE A SPIRITUAL HUSBAND OR WIFE :the truth none has told you
Some people while in a prayer houses will be informed they are been disturbed by a spiritual wife or husband. Haven heard about it, he and the pastor would rush into conclusion calling it an evil spirit. Next is to start abracadabra prayers, casting and loosing to no avail – otu abụghị n’ezi. The pastor will be blowing the microphone making noise like a lunatic, the congregation belief deliverance is taken place: to no avail _ otu abụghị n’ezi. Kill her, the pastor said. Let her die and leave. I asked, how possible? Is it possible I ask? Can you kill a spirit? Have you heard or seen where one killed a spirit if not in the church where they kill spirit with mouth and microphone, yet things remains same and sometimes get worse yet? Now listen, let me teach you wisdom: saying the truth because truth is life _ eziokwu bụ ndụ. This is why it set the captive free. The moment you know the truth. The truth you know must surely set you free. As a human being, use event as seen in the land of the living to judge event as seen in the spiritual realm. Sometimes, as it’s here on earth, so it’s in the realm of spirit As its in the spiritual realms so it’s in the physical plane. Take for example you see a woman and engaged to her as a young man. After some while, both of you happen to marry happily. Marriage you must remember comes upon an agreement between two opposite parties. Now, after a while, you travel to another space for a mission, another destination where you now find comfort. If you forget calling to say hi to the wife, how will she feel? Answer! What if you are not calling or have lost contact, passion for her and she kept looking after you? Haven gotten to reach out to you, you pretend not knowing her and denied haven nothing to do with her. No matter what she does, you kept pushing her away and ignore all signs and signals. What do you expect the woman to do? Would you not do anything mad if you were in her shoes? Of course you will! If you can as a legitimate wife, you are not against the law if you must suffer him anyhow without wasting his life.
This is what happens between those who got married to mariners before earthly visit. Stop been fooled by Christians and their ignorant teachings. They are spiritual ignorant. All of them whom you call man of God are ofeke in spiritual matters. They are ignorant about spiritual affairs. They are pretenders and deceivers. The reason you must be careful about their false teachings. They only shout and make noise like lunatic. They only know how to make noise not knowing that our spiritual engagement asked for quietness, peace of mind and solitude. The very moment they should spent with wisdom are given for selfishness. The reason wisdom is far seen from them. They lack truth. They know nothing about spirituality and wisdom. Pastors are ofeke (fools) when it comes to spiritual matters. They know absolute nothing as e dey happen in the realm of spirits. They know nothing but go on deceiving people. They must pay the prize at the end of it all. It’s written, you shall reap what you sowed. That’s to say, you shall reap deception as a deceiver. For crying out loud, this people are not deceiving animals. They are deceiving human being. The image of the gods. Turning black what nature has made to be white for their selfish interests. Causing disunity, hatred, disaster between nature and mankind, bridging the gap between spirits and mankind. Why people suffer today! They must reap what they sowed at the end of it all. Wisdom shall judge them! So what is the remedy? this is what a spiritualist will help you do. He/she will first engage you on a spiritual consultation to know if truly you are a mariner perhaps the cause of your problems and encounter. Because it’s not necessarily mariners who encounter spiritual wives. A witch can as well manifest herself as a spiritual wife to cause ruin to someone’s life. Nevertheless, If you are and it happens that you are suffering as a result of spiritual wife/husband, the spiritualist shall consult further, knowing what must be done. It’s then the wife/husband will have to name his or her prize owing to your position, agreement and periodic in the marine. Hence all mariners doesn’t share same position and agreement are differently. Upon this information, he get to inform you about what to be done. No matter what, it must involve a sacrifice! We call it marine ritual settlement – ịkwa ibu mmiri nye ndị ọgbọ na uke. During this sacrifices you have to accept him or her back. We call it ‘ịkwa ibu udo na abụghị ibu nkewa’ a sacrifice for peace not separation. When properly done, he/she will assist you in all aspects of life been in union. That’s the reason for sect (i di n’otu ndị mmiri). Odogwuakataaka: That’s to say if he is good to go. Should he/she is wicked, so jealous. We e plead him or her to accept some things which he refused. If he do, good. If not, we can then upon ọfọ na ogu talk about separation. This you must know asked for wisdom hence his/her stubbornness might be as a result of her workforce, duty, services to deliver. Do you know that these mariners (marine husband and wife’s) are destiny helpers? The very reason they are sometimes filled with jealous and must be treated with caution otherwise one’s life and destiny are placed on danger zone at the cost of services in the name of deliverance. Many are suffering this today! Know whom you run to at the cost of spiritual matters.
: A spirit such as marine wife/husband might proof stubborn owing to agreement reached before your earthly coming. When we come across such like spirit person’s, we plead with him /her to allow you enjoy your earthly life as you wish. Remember, all these are done upon agreement, I as a priest stand to negotiate this as a third party upon ritual sacrifices. It’s not a thing we do by force as seen in the churches. Shouting with a microphone to draw attention of the people, proving how much we can speak in tongues and grammars. It’s never done that way for your safety, success, happiness and longevity. Because it’s not all about today but tomorrow: the case must be handled with care. This is the very reason igbo adage says ‘oké dibịa gbaa àjà, ọ dịka ewere nyee ndị mmụọ n’aka’ when a great/experienced priest performed ritual exercise, it looks like the items was given hand to hand to the spirits. The result remains positive, settling all matters and causing light on one’s path.
If you must work on spiritual ignorance to disintegrate what shouldn’t be disintegrated, the subject (human) must suffer the penalty. One true information people lack in spiritual matters remains the fact that spirits are not at lost (loosing end) in any matter as it involve humanity. The reason you must be careful and stop playing with your spiritual life. Haven known these, I have to state it finally that spiritual husband and wife are not evil. If they are, that’s to say you are evil also hence you are a mariner. If you are not a mariner, you can’t get married to a mariner as a wife or husband. The difference between you and him /her is only that you had the opportunity to exist on earth as a human being after pre-existence as a mariner in waters. The lineage continues as you bear forth children on earth: especially, a case whereby you are a mariner and your earthly husband/wife is also a mariner, all your earthly children shall be mariners. It’s divine It’s a nature mandate! It’s written and can’t be changed. You can’t change what nature has caused to be neither will you condemn it. Who are you to judge? Do you judge upon wisdom or ignorant? Who are you to condemned what nature has made to be? How many years do you have to exist here on earth? How many years do you think these matter have lasted, involving billions of people born and yet to be born? Is it why you are here? All these are meant for pastors to answer. People who dwelt on ignorant, causing ruin to people’s life and destiny. Sending people to early graves and are happy doing that hence it put food on their table. Judgement await us all! Ife onye metere, o weere isi ya buru (evil men do, leave with them and after them). Wise man think and talk about tomorrow, a fool (ofeke) talk about today. Today has only but 24hours in it, tomorrow is indefinite. Don’t be deceived! WhatsApp+2348103253857 #echoesoftruth1.website2.me
I read the trash you wrote about spirit husbands/wives, especially your saying that they are destiny helpers. You are wrong, evil spirits can never be a desting helper but must be cast out. If you are dinning and winning with them, ig is your cup of tea.
Better you should run as I am the light to your darkness!
Look at you, me running from a demon-possessed person that is why you call yourself anti-Christian. When did anti-Christian be the light? Look at a man that darkness had blindfolded talking. Pleases for your information, whatever ever cult or satanist you belong to, I belong to an altar of the order of Melchizedek.
Some friends have asked me if it is right to give their entire January salary to their pastor or priest in the name of what is now called "first fruit offering." Well, in the first place the question should not be about the rightness or wrongness of it, rather the question should be: WHY do you give your January salary to your pastor or to the church? The answer to this "why" question will answer the question if it is right or wrong. As a priest for some years now, I have encountered people who come to give their entire January salary or first salary in a new job to priests or pastors. I have also encountered priests who do not accept the money once they are aware that it is the person's entire salary; they bless it and return it. To make the whole thing much more dramatic, I know of some of those whose offerings were blessed and returned that later took the same money to another pastor of another church that will accept it (even if they don't attend the church), so as to get the fulfilment of having sown seed. Funny right? I took a study of some of our Christians paying tithes and especially those paying January salary as first fruit even to the detriment of their children's school fees, here is what I discovered that runs in almost all of them:
They mistake fear for faith.
Dear friends, there is a thin line between fear and faith. A lot of what is propelling these people and indeed a large majority of us is not really faith as we may think, but fear. Faith and fear are both very powerful tools. But they are never the same. In fact, they do not exist in one person at the same time. Once there is fear, there is no faith. Once there is faith, there is no fear. This is why St Paul will tell Timothy that "God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of virtue, and of love, and of self-restraint," (2 Timothy 1:7). Fear is powerful because it is fueled by the whole notion of reward and punishment. The devil uses it a lot. It is a promise of, if you do so and so, you will get a reward of so and so, or a punishment of so and so. Unfortunately, this is how we teach in churches today. So, a lot of what we do as Christians are tied to fear, not faith. It is easier to command compliance once you ignites the person's fear. It is more difficult with faith because faith comes from God himself. Faith is a gift. Do you know that the scribes and Pharisees in their bid to keep the ten commandments faithfully, had to explicitly itemized and break down the commandments until it was multiplied into 613? They were so afraid of breaking the commandments that they even became imprisoned by it. When Christ came, he brought down their 613 commands into love of God and neighbour. This is simply to communicate one thing, that we can't keep God's precepts by fear. Fear is enslaving while faith is liberating. (Romans 8:15). But today, some of our church ministers prefer their members to remain caged. How can someone tell you about her problems, the first thing a minister will ask is the last time the person paid her tithe or first fruit offering. How does being sick translates to not paying tithe? The truth is, the reason most Christians give their January salary to pastors even to the detriment of their children's school fees is generally tied to fear. They feel that if they don't, their business or health will not go well. Or if they do, there will be more blessings. This is why even if someone is dying, they will rather pay tithe than help the person. They will quote Malachi 3:10, Proverbs 3:9, Leviticus 23:10, Exodus 23:19, and forget that strictly speaking those laws no longer bind Christians. They forget too that every first born child is suppose to be given to God as first fruit to serve in the temple, if we are to follow those laws strictly. They forget that a farmer of those days harvesting his first produce is not to be equated with a worker of today donating his entire salary. This is why churches are opening every day and if you oppose the payment of tithe or first fruit, they will come for your head and quote how it works for them. Yet, the richest man in Africa does not pay tithe and he is building a refinery. If the condition for God to bless you this year is that you must give your entire January Salary to your pastor, then it is better to be an atheist. Friends, the Lord is not putting pressure on any of us. He is not standing somewhere taking record of your tithes or January salaries before he blesses you. Strictly speaking, he does not need them. Your pastor does. And your pastor is not God. What God need is your heart of purity and love. Being generous from the heart towards God's work and God's ministers is not the same as being compel to be paying certain amount of money every month or year such that your blessings or curse is tied to it. The former is faith, the latter is fear. Learn the difference. Fr Kelvin Ugwu MSP
Fr Kelvin Ugwu MSP, YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG OR MISCONCIEVED . PAYING MONEY TO A CHURCH IS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM PAYING MONEY TO A PASTOR. IT IS WRONG TO SAY THAT THE MONEY YOU PAID IN THE CHURCH IS MONEY YOU PAID TO THE PASTOR. BY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, IF YOU ARE A REAL FR. AS YOUR NAME SUGGEST, IT SEEMS THAT YOU USED TO CARRY THE OFFERING GIVENG IN YOUR CHURCH SAYING THAT IT IS MONEY MEMBERS GAVE TO YOU. IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG?
IF ON THE OTHER HANDS AN INDIVIDUAL DECIDES TO PACKAGE HIS OR HER JANUARY SALARY FOR A PASTOR, WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE IF IT IS RIGHT OR WRONG?
Religion / Re: Where Is Pastor Patrick Anwuzia Of Zoe Ministries Worldwide? by Demaduka(m): 8:21pm On Sep 20, 2020 
