Best of Luck SE

Hope so

*Revisiting The NMA Strike -*
The Candid Opinion Of A UK-Based Doctor


By *Dr. Ijabla Raymond*


Although I practise abroad, I should point out that this strike affects me too. My family and friends all live in Nigeria.

I feel compelled to write on this subject because of its seriousness and the dearth of objective analyses on our social media. It is an emotive subject for both *NMA* and *JOHESU* members, and I can understand why punches fly around, but both parties must rise above petty and emotional considerations if we are to find a way forward.

For clarification purposes, the *NMA* represents medical doctors whilst *JOHESU* is a union of all health workers who are not doctors.


The NMA has a list of *24 demands* but I will limit myself to the most contentious ones. At this stage, it is probably best that I introduce myself. _*I am medical doctor of Nigerian heritage practising in the UK.*_



*WHO SHOULD HEAD THE HOSPITAL*

There is no contention – the medical doctor is the head of the *clinical team.* He/she leads the ward rounds, clinics, surgical operations, multidisciplinary meetings and so on because the ultimate and final responsibility for patient care rests in his/her hands.

The headship of the hospital is a different matter. This is an *administrative* office, which needs not be occupied by a medical doctor. This job is better in the hands of people who have administrative or business management skills. _This is the case in countries like the UK, Canada and the US,_ which heavily influence our health system. Therefore, it is difficult to reason with the NMA why this job should be the exclusive right of medical doctors.



*NON-MEDICAL CONSULTANTS*
The doctor-patient ratio in Nigeria is _dangerously low._ In my view, the roles of non-medical professionals such as nurses, physiotherapists, pharmacists etc need to expand to cope with the demands on doctors. It is important that this is done in a _safe way_ by providing the appropriate level of training for these individuals. *This is the case in countries such as the UK, Canada and the US where consultant nurses, pharmacists etc have existed for a few decades now.* I do not see any problem with non-medical consultants as long as these individuals are appropriately trained and can practise both competently and safely within an *agreed framework* . These professionals have separate (but complimentary) job descriptions and their roles are not designed to replace or dispense with the services of the doctor. If this arrangement enhances patient care, then where is the problem with it? The NMA needs to demonstrate to the public and to the government how the creation of these non-medical consultant positions will adversely affect patient care, otherwise, its demands will be perceived as obstructing the professional development of JOHESU members, and I don’t think this is helpful to anybody.


*HAZARD ALLOWANCE*
The types of hazard and the level to which healthcare workers are exposed vary considerably and depend on the type of job they do. For instance, psychiatrists are hardly exposed to body fluids and their risks for contracting diseases like HIV and hepatitis are much less than for a theatre scrub nurse. The risk of physical assault by a patient is higher for a psychiatrist than for a surgeon. And because psychiatric nurses spend more time with patients, their risks of assault are arguably higher than those of consultant psychiatrists.

The people who work in radiology departments such as radiologists, radiographers, nurses, porters and so on have greater exposure to radioactive materials than everyone else in the hospital.

The current health hazard allowance of N5,000 is unconscionable – it needs to increase. However, I think it is imperative to get an independent risk assessor for impartial advice.


*MISCELLANEOUS*
I have read far too many emotional arguments on these issues and very little of an objective discourse. It is important that I draw your attention to a few of these.
What has become obvious is the lack of understanding of the *concept of teamwork* . There is a pervasive notion among doctors that the other healthcare workers are there to serve them. JOHESU members think that doctors have become too conceited for their own good and are determined to put them in their “places”. *The most important person in the hospital is the patient* – it is *not* the _doctor_ , _nurse_ , _pharmacist_ or _laboratory scientist_ or anyone else. Every team member is important and must be respected, including the people who do the least clinical jobs like cleaning. I don’t imagine that any hospital will remain open for longer than a week if its cleaners went on strike and dirt was allowed to accumulate to the point where it constitutes a health risk.

I have heard so many anecdotal accounts of nurses not joining doctors on ward rounds or pharmacists altering prescriptions without first discussing these with the prescribing doctors or laboratory scientist slapping doctors; and these accounts are being given as reasons why doctors must continue to head hospitals.

These are *disciplinary matters,* which should be managed according to existing procedures. These excuses are emotional and should not be used to block the professional development of others.

The other reason I have heard doctors give for not wanting our non-medical colleagues to bear the "consultant" title is the fear that patients will confuse them or anybody else in a white-coat for a doctor and give such people an excuse for autonomous practice.

This reason is *not good enough* because this problem can be solved by wearing names badges and/or colour coded uniforms. Also health professionals should introduce themselves to patients at the start of consultations. But more significantly, this can be an issue of regulation - any one found to be (criminally) practising over and beyond their job description, competence level or professional registration becomes liable to disciplinary procedures.

Our health system suffers from poor regulation. This is why anyone can open a chemist and dole out antibiotics indiscriminately. It is the reason doctors are scared that consultant pharmacists, nurses and physiotherapists will steal their patients.

But it is also the reason why doctors may recommend an operation to a patient where none is necessary just so they can charge more. This is a problem that is in urgent need of attention.

I hope that this something both NMA & JOHESU will flag up in the near future.
Another recurrent theme in these debates is the abuse of junior doctors by both medical and non-medical staff, which appears to be endemic. There is a consistent narrative of junior doctors being asked to do other people’s jobs such as collecting blood from blood banks, taking samples to laboratories etc. In extreme cases, these doctors are asked to undertake non-clinical tasks by more senior doctors. This is simply unacceptable! I think it is fair to place the blame for this at the hands of consultants who are supposed to be responsible for junior doctors. But this in itself is not a good argument for blocking JOHESU members from becoming consultants in their specialties or for stopping them from heading hospitals if they have the right qualifications.

I am concerned that the NMA is losing public sympathy. Increasingly, I hear people describe doctors as selfish and heartless. This is very sad and rather unfortunate. They say doctors do not have any motivation to end the strike because patients are forced to pay exorbitant fees to them in their private hospitals. Those patients who cannot afford these fees are left to suffer or die. If the NMA has made any efforts to change this public perception, then these do not appear to have been effective.


*CONCLUSION*
The current strategy (i.e., recurrent strikes) is not working. Over the last decade or two, the NMA and non-medical health workers (more recently represented by JOHESU) have taken turns to go on strikes. Perhaps, it is time for both parties to sit together, talk to each other and resolve these contentious issues once and for all. _It’s pointless for the government to enter into agreements with one party knowing fully well that the other party will ask for a reversal of those agreements._

I think the time has come to incorporate Ethics, Teamwork and Communications into undergraduate curricula. The various online comments I have read from medical and non-medical colleagues show that whilst many easily mouth off "team work", a practical understanding of what this means is lacking.


Disciplinary procedures are there for a reason. They must be followed when necessary.
Although I practise abroad, I should point out that this strike affects me too. My family and friends all live in Nigeria. And who says I am not planning to come home to practise?

Lastly, we must all be mindful of our own mortality. Most of us will be ill someday.

And when this happens, the only thing that will matter to us is to be looked after by caring and competent health-workers regardless of their individual specialisation. We can create that environment if we forget our individual egos and work as a team.

*Ijabla Raymond,* a medical doctor of Nigerian heritage writes from the UK. Contact: _ijabla.raymond@facebook.com._

*Revisiting The NMA Strike -*
The Candid Opinion Of A UK-Based Doctor


By *Dr. Ijabla Raymond*


Although I practise abroad, I should point out that this strike affects me too. My family and friends all live in Nigeria.

I feel compelled to write on this subject because of its seriousness and the dearth of objective analyses on our social media. It is an emotive subject for both *NMA* and *JOHESU* members, and I can understand why punches fly around, but both parties must rise above petty and emotional considerations if we are to find a way forward.

For clarification purposes, the *NMA* represents medical doctors whilst *JOHESU* is a union of all health workers who are not doctors.


The NMA has a list of *24 demands* but I will limit myself to the most contentious ones. At this stage, it is probably best that I introduce myself. _*I am medical doctor of Nigerian heritage practising in the UK.*_



*WHO SHOULD HEAD THE HOSPITAL*

There is no contention – the medical doctor is the head of the *clinical team.* He/she leads the ward rounds, clinics, surgical operations, multidisciplinary meetings and so on because the ultimate and final responsibility for patient care rests in his/her hands.

The headship of the hospital is a different matter. This is an *administrative* office, which needs not be occupied by a medical doctor. This job is better in the hands of people who have administrative or business management skills. _This is the case in countries like the UK, Canada and the US,_ which heavily influence our health system. Therefore, it is difficult to reason with the NMA why this job should be the exclusive right of medical doctors.



*NON-MEDICAL CONSULTANTS*
The doctor-patient ratio in Nigeria is _dangerously low._ In my view, the roles of non-medical professionals such as nurses, physiotherapists, pharmacists etc need to expand to cope with the demands on doctors. It is important that this is done in a _safe way_ by providing the appropriate level of training for these individuals. *This is the case in countries such as the UK, Canada and the US where consultant nurses, pharmacists etc have existed for a few decades now.* I do not see any problem with non-medical consultants as long as these individuals are appropriately trained and can practise both competently and safely within an *agreed framework* . These professionals have separate (but complimentary) job descriptions and their roles are not designed to replace or dispense with the services of the doctor. If this arrangement enhances patient care, then where is the problem with it? The NMA needs to demonstrate to the public and to the government how the creation of these non-medical consultant positions will adversely affect patient care, otherwise, its demands will be perceived as obstructing the professional development of JOHESU members, and I don’t think this is helpful to anybody.


*HAZARD ALLOWANCE*
The types of hazard and the level to which healthcare workers are exposed vary considerably and depend on the type of job they do. For instance, psychiatrists are hardly exposed to body fluids and their risks for contracting diseases like HIV and hepatitis are much less than for a theatre scrub nurse. The risk of physical assault by a patient is higher for a psychiatrist than for a surgeon. And because psychiatric nurses spend more time with patients, their risks of assault are arguably higher than those of consultant psychiatrists.

The people who work in radiology departments such as radiologists, radiographers, nurses, porters and so on have greater exposure to radioactive materials than everyone else in the hospital.

The current health hazard allowance of N5,000 is unconscionable – it needs to increase. However, I think it is imperative to get an independent risk assessor for impartial advice.


*MISCELLANEOUS*
I have read far too many emotional arguments on these issues and very little of an objective discourse. It is important that I draw your attention to a few of these.
What has become obvious is the lack of understanding of the *concept of teamwork* . There is a pervasive notion among doctors that the other healthcare workers are there to serve them. JOHESU members think that doctors have become too conceited for their own good and are determined to put them in their “places”. *The most important person in the hospital is the patient* – it is *not* the _doctor_ , _nurse_ , _pharmacist_ or _laboratory scientist_ or anyone else. Every team member is important and must be respected, including the people who do the least clinical jobs like cleaning. I don’t imagine that any hospital will remain open for longer than a week if its cleaners went on strike and dirt was allowed to accumulate to the point where it constitutes a health risk.

I have heard so many anecdotal accounts of nurses not joining doctors on ward rounds or pharmacists altering prescriptions without first discussing these with the prescribing doctors or laboratory scientist slapping doctors; and these accounts are being given as reasons why doctors must continue to head hospitals.

These are *disciplinary matters,* which should be managed according to existing procedures. These excuses are emotional and should not be used to block the professional development of others.

The other reason I have heard doctors give for not wanting our non-medical colleagues to bear the "consultant" title is the fear that patients will confuse them or anybody else in a white-coat for a doctor and give such people an excuse for autonomous practice.

This reason is *not good enough* because this problem can be solved by wearing names badges and/or colour coded uniforms. Also health professionals should introduce themselves to patients at the start of consultations. But more significantly, this can be an issue of regulation - any one found to be (criminally) practising over and beyond their job description, competence level or professional registration becomes liable to disciplinary procedures.

Our health system suffers from poor regulation. This is why anyone can open a chemist and dole out antibiotics indiscriminately. It is the reason doctors are scared that consultant pharmacists, nurses and physiotherapists will steal their patients.

But it is also the reason why doctors may recommend an operation to a patient where none is necessary just so they can charge more. This is a problem that is in urgent need of attention.

I hope that this something both NMA & JOHESU will flag up in the near future.
Another recurrent theme in these debates is the abuse of junior doctors by both medical and non-medical staff, which appears to be endemic. There is a consistent narrative of junior doctors being asked to do other people’s jobs such as collecting blood from blood banks, taking samples to laboratories etc. In extreme cases, these doctors are asked to undertake non-clinical tasks by more senior doctors. This is simply unacceptable! I think it is fair to place the blame for this at the hands of consultants who are supposed to be responsible for junior doctors. But this in itself is not a good argument for blocking JOHESU members from becoming consultants in their specialties or for stopping them from heading hospitals if they have the right qualifications.

I am concerned that the NMA is losing public sympathy. Increasingly, I hear people describe doctors as selfish and heartless. This is very sad and rather unfortunate. They say doctors do not have any motivation to end the strike because patients are forced to pay exorbitant fees to them in their private hospitals. Those patients who cannot afford these fees are left to suffer or die. If the NMA has made any efforts to change this public perception, then these do not appear to have been effective.


*CONCLUSION*
The current strategy (i.e., recurrent strikes) is not working. Over the last decade or two, the NMA and non-medical health workers (more recently represented by JOHESU) have taken turns to go on strikes. Perhaps, it is time for both parties to sit together, talk to each other and resolve these contentious issues once and for all. _It’s pointless for the government to enter into agreements with one party knowing fully well that the other party will ask for a reversal of those agreements._

I think the time has come to incorporate Ethics, Teamwork and Communications into undergraduate curricula. The various online comments I have read from medical and non-medical colleagues show that whilst many easily mouth off "team work", a practical understanding of what this means is lacking.


Disciplinary procedures are there for a reason. They must be followed when necessary.
Although I practise abroad, I should point out that this strike affects me too. My family and friends all live in Nigeria. And who says I am not planning to come home to practise?

Lastly, we must all be mindful of our own mortality. Most of us will be ill someday.

And when this happens, the only thing that will matter to us is to be looked after by caring and competent health-workers regardless of their individual specialisation. We can create that environment if we forget our individual egos and work as a team.

*Ijabla Raymond,* a medical doctor of Nigerian heritage writes from the UK. Contact: _ijabla.raymond@facebook.com._

MEDICAL DOCTORS ARE POMPOUS AND UNCIVILIZED

Obadiah Umaru

The last time NMA went on strike, Nigerians from all works of life pressed on government to look into their issues so that our hospitals will continue to offer services to Nigerians

Today, the hospitals are again shut down due to JOHESU strike and unthinkably, NMA have been the most vocal, not in to quell the impasse but to fuel it. They are insisting that government should not listen to, or meet the demands of, JOHESU. Their reason for the meddlesomeness in the many press releases and media engagement is to keep wide the gap of earned allowance between them and other health professionals. This is selfishness and greed.

I ceased to regard any medical doctor since I took my ailing mother to the hospital in the early 2009 and got disgusting and irresponsible treat from a consultant. He attended to my mum then wrote drugs for us to buy. I asked what he was treating, he said he was suspecting septicaemia so we should try so and so antibiotics. I told him it sounds like guess work. He kept quiet. I requested if we could be sure of what were are treating, he picked offence and started shouting. Demanding to know if I wanted to teach him his work. I said I was the customer/client here and I should be the king. He said the only king in the hospital is the doctor. He was a young man so I thought it was untamed exuberance. While I was on the matter, a nurse came and over heard us, inadvertently, she asked if we has done lab test. The aggression with which the consultant shouted her down was marvelling. I wondered for a minute if it was his private hospital but I knew I was in a public hospital where all were employees of government. I asked why he addressed his colleague in that manner but he told me that the nurses and pharmacists were subservient to him. He told me how much he was earning and how much pharmacists earned, using it to justify his status. I was shocked.

I switched back to the prescription he had written and asked if we could be sent to the lab, he opposed it,saying that the most arrogant people in the hospital were the lab people. I asked how, he said, they have arrogated a title of scientists to themselves and don't want to work under pathologists. I was shocked as what that got to do with my mum's lab test. Within my 10min of being with him, he had skinned the nurses, the pharmacy and the lab alive. Then I knew the doctors were the real problems.

In summary, he insisted on treating without lab test. I was angry and left also without his prescription. I took my mum to a private laboratory and explained my situation. The lab tests showed leukemia and my elder brother in UK had to arrange for mum to undergo treatment abroad

Since then, I have followed keenly the disregard end humiliation that the doctors treat other health workers in Nigeria with the passive support of health ministers and commissioners. They often go the side of NMA during industrial disputes by quickly responding to demands of doctors and speaking English on demands others health workers.

I think the duration of study for doctors is only one year extra to pharmacists, lab scientists etc, yet they earn two times more than the non-doctors upon entering public service. Why is this so? Only doctors are heading hospitals and ministries of health in Nigeria. Why? This is not the case in other countries on Europe and Asia. Even the current DG of WHO is not a medical doctor. Where did the Nigerian medical doctor got his ego from to hold other health professionals in perpetual captivity? I call on JOHESU to break these ancient chains of slavery and emancipate themselves and our health system in Nigeria. The health system under ineptitude of medical doctors keeps recording abysmal indices year in year out to the extent that our President cannot find one health facility to treat ordinary ear infection.

I urge President Buhari to immediately sack the minister of health in view of his recent irresponsible comments on this ongoing strike. It is a pitiable anticlimax in our civilization

Lastly, the curriculum of MBBS should be reviewed to include civic education for would-be medical doctors in Nigeria. Their incivility is the cause of industrial unrest in the health system in Nigeria today

It is no longer news that the joint health staffs are on strike because of failure to implement demands entered willingly by the federal government with the body. Sequel to this; I'm being drawn to the circular released by the FMOH. Which I see as a show of shame on their path for taking sides in this continuous struggles. They never mentioned such when Doctors strike but are so quick to do so when others demands aren't meant. I think the problem is the whole body of health starting from the government arm which is the mininster of health.
Else where, this is what they released for National association of Residence Doctors;
While JOHESU members get threatening letters from FMOH/
See what Same Government gave Doctors on training NARD

Dear Colleagues,
Following serial negotiations between the NARD leadership & the Ministry of Finance on offsetting our 2017 Salary shortfalls & implementation of MOTOS signed on 06.09.2017..

The Ministry of Finance after a Meeting attended today by the NARD leadership led by the Ag.President,Dr Ganiyu Ahmed,released the sum of One Billion,Five Hundred Million Naira only(N1,500,000,000.00) to be shared in percentages amongst Institutions owed shortfalls and skipping arrears in 2017..
They promised to release same or even extra monthly so they can offset all the shortfalls within the next few months..
(Find attached sharing formula)

The Office of the Minister of Finance told us today that the Value of the Skipping arrears that was submitted by the Management of our various Institutions was over bloated and as such would want each ARD in all FTHI to send in within the next 1week,the exact amount needed to pay their Skipping arrears from January 2014 till the time they started receiving Skipping so they can compare and process payment immediately..

Please Centre Presidents should treat as urgent and send amount needed for skipping arrears to the NARD Secretariat for onward compilation and transmission to the Ministry of Finance for necessary action..
Please make sure everybody is captured..

We are poised to serve you better..

Warm regards,

Dr. O.V Nnadi,
Sec.Gen,NARD
16.04.2018

This is happening in the same country. Oh Nigeria, who do this to thou?
We all working for the benefit of the patient and someone is trying to show you that you not important just because you chose to help humanity in a different way. Since they felt others are not important, why didn't they start doing the work of security, arrange patient folders for themselves, dispense drugs to patients and serve drugs to patients ?
Doctors, the tree that wants to make a forest and FMOH is in support, look at the circular released!!

It is no longer news that the joint health staffs are OK n strike because of failure to implement demands entered willingly by the federal government with the body. Sequel to this; I'm being drawn to the circular released by the FMOH. Which I see as a show of shame on their path for taking sides in this continuous struggles. They never mentioned such when Doctors strike but are so quick to do so when others demands aren't meant. I think the problem is the whole body of health starting from the government arm which is the mininster of health.
Else where, this is what they released for National association of Residence Doctors;
While JOHESU members get threatening letters from FMOH/
See what Same Government gave Doctors on training NARD

Dear Colleagues,
Following serial negotiations between the NARD leadership & the Ministry of Finance on offsetting our 2017 Salary shortfalls & implementation of MOTOS signed on 06.09.2017..

The Ministry of Finance after a Meeting attended today by the NARD leadership led by the Ag.President,Dr Ganiyu Ahmed,released the sum of One Billion,Five Hundred Million Naira only(N1,500,000,000.00) to be shared in percentages amongst Institutions owed shortfalls and skipping arrears in 2017..
They promised to release same or even extra monthly so they can offset all the shortfalls within the next few months..
(Find attached sharing formula)

The Office of the Minister of Finance told us today that the Value of the Skipping arrears that was submitted by the Management of our various Institutions was over bloated and as such would want each ARD in all FTHI to send in within the next 1week,the exact amount needed to pay their Skipping arrears from January 2014 till the time they started receiving Skipping so they can compare and process payment immediately..

Please Centre Presidents should treat as urgent and send amount needed for skipping arrears to the NARD Secretariat for onward compilation and transmission to the Ministry of Finance for necessary action..
Please make sure everybody is captured..

We are poised to serve you better..

Warm regards,

Dr. O.V Nnadi,
Sec.Gen,NARD
16.04.2018

This is happening in the same country. Oh Nigeria, who do this to thou?
We all working for the benefit of the patient and someone is trying to show you that you not important just because you chose to help humanity in a different way. Since they felt others are not important, why didn't they start doing the work of security, arrange patient folders for themselves, dispense drugs to patients and serve drugs to patients ?
Doctors, the tree that wants to make a forest and FMOH is in support, look at the circular released!!

It's actually very shameful for a thread so empty as this one to make front page. What is he even saying? He said alot of things without sense in it.
First of all, go and find out the meaning of a consultant coz its obvious you don't know what it means to be one.
You claim to know but your write up said it all that you know nothing. It's better you remain silent and be labeled a fo.ol than to open your mouth and clear a doubts.
NMA agitated for theirs, no body antagonize them, JOHESU are agitating for theirs and all of a sudden the NMA appeared from somewhere for something that doesn't affect them in any way. If JOHESU pay increases and NMA aren't comfortable with theirs, they should agitate as they have been doing before. Now that they don't want pay rise for others, does that add to their pockets?
I think NMA are just scared that the way things are going, they will become useless in d hospital and are so bent on making themselves useful meanwhile I'm pretty sure this can't last forever. Revolution is happening already and I pity people like you coz you will become non useful soon.
If a Doctor is a consultant and he does review on patient and wrote out a drug n d patient goes to a pharmacist and the pharmacist been a consultant is aware of everything that has to do with drugs both the SAR that the consultant Dr doesnt know about n he offer his advise that d drug isn't the best for the patient and d Dr hackens to the advise and change it, then who benefits? The patient.
I think you lack knowledge about what consultancy means. Infat the Dr can even ask d consultant pharmacist d best drug in dat patient before prescribing or do you mean to tell me that they know the drug more than the pharmacist? Coz I'm in d hospital now n even name of drugs are problem for you guyz let alone the MOA and d SAR which none of you can even guess.
Whether consultant or not, a Dr is a Dr, a Pharmacist is a Pharmacist, a Nurse is a Nurse etc we all have different job description but I don't know why you guys are so scared of the other profession, is it bcoz you have no where else to go to outside hospital?
Your fight started with pharm D n now the case has been won n pharm D is live in Nigeria. All is to benefit the patient. A consultant in any field will have better knowledge and all to the benefit of the patient. NMA should quit fighting and start checking the interest of the patient. They are fighting a lost battle, it might not happen now but it will surely happen

ThinkWISELY:
I hate Hypocritical post !! ,nonsense up and down!!.

I HATE NONSENSE
OP Change your post to how to be free from "EXCESS" Masturbating !

Masturbating is a way of abstaining from unwanted sex
Masturbating is natural
Masturbating prevents you from ST diseases
It's not every time you will feel like having sex
At times people masturbate to stay faithful
Couples Masturbates
Singles Masturbates
Almost everyone ripe for sex life Masturbates
92% of people Masturbate once in a while,the rest lie about it
Religious profiles Masturbates

It's your ORGAN,play with it at times

STOP ACTING HYPOCRITICAL ABEG !

I wouldn't be quoting you if you do not get so much like for deceiving God's people.
Please don't let the devil use.

If masturbation is not a sin and it's natural, then how comes the feelings of emptiness after the act? Or do you feel same after doing natural things like taking your bath? Like eating? Change your way for good and stop deceiving the people of God. You watch Indecency, you think of naked girls/boys just to masturbate and you said its natural? The Bible said; Anyone who looks at a woman so lustfully is guilty of fornication, so how comes the thought alone doesn't make it a sin?
Don't be deceive, saying masturbation is natural is a lie from the pit of hell.

I know you can't do it alone, you need God to take away the desire to sin. God's grace, His finished work on the cross of Calvary only can free you and you will get your freedom, your peace of mind once again. Make God your center of attraction in all areas of your life and focus on His righteousness not your unbelief, not your deeds but His finished work that already set you free.

You can check pastor Joseph Prince sermons on wapistan.info n get liberations ,then check for yourself the difference between the life of sin and the life of liberation in Christ Jesus....
God bless you all

jagugu88li:
Help me please. Show me where in the bible do you quote this from......Please start from the part that talks of virgin brothers being priest and then move to where it says even non virgins........

I'll wait...

Why do you chose to be the one the devil has chosen this time?

lalasticlala:


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/joy-odamas-death-igp-fixes-fresh-autopsy-today-prime-suspect-suddenly-appears/

Why a meeting with the suspect when he should be arrested and investigation carried out why he's under custody?
So police are telling us that now; suspects are called for meeting then investigations continue?
We shall not rest until Joy gets justice. We shall start a new campaign questioning police investigation on this case in particular and may be the whole world will know how police in Nigeria aids crime.....

Admin please get this to the front page for true journalism is the only hope for the poor in Naija

# Justice4JoyOdama
RE: CALL FOR JUSTICE FOR THE MURDER OF MY
DAUGHTER, JOY ODAMA BY ALHAJI USMAN ADAMU.
My name is Mrs Philomena ODAMA. I am a native of Yala
LGA in Cross River State. I am resident at old Karmo village
in Abuja.
Joy Odama is my first daughter. She is a 200 level
undergraduate of Mass Communications at the Cross River
State University; who just returned for Christmas holidays
and met her untimely death.
On the 18th Dec, 2016, one Elizabeth from Ogoja LGA, Cross
River State who is my daughters friend visited us and told
Joy to accompany her to see one Alhaji Usman Adamu who
she said was a philanthropist that gives scholarship to
young students. She said the Alhaji lives in the same
neighborhood, precisely at Ibro Quarters, Old Karmo-Abuja.
Knowing Elizabeth as a long time friend and without any
suspicion, she innocently followed her to the said Alhaji's
house. On getting there, my daughter called me that the
Alhaji wants to see me. I asked why and she said that the
Alhaji wants to help her with her education with other girls
who lives in the neighborhood who are there with their
parents. I quickly got to the house and Alhaji Usman
ADAMU promised to help in my daughters education and
equally promised to get me a job with the Nigerian Security
& Civil Defense Corps (NSCDC). We exchanged numbers, i
graciously thanked him and left with my daughter.
Two days later on the 20th December, 2016 in the evening,
Alhaji Usman ADAMU called my daughter and said his
house help is seriously sick and that she should please
come and look after her while he goes to get a doctor. He
also said he has called other girls (i.e the other girls we saw
in his house the previous day). Joy told me and i allowed her
to go. That was the last time i saw my daughter alive.
After a while on the same day, i called Joy and she said she
was at the house with the other girls and will soon be
coming back. About an hour later, when she was not yet
back, i called severally but she did not pick. Out of curiosity,
i called Alhaji Usman ADAMU on his number 08179606208
but he too did not pick. I became more worried and went to
the house but couldn't gain access to Alhaji's apartment.
The next morning, i called Joy and Alhaji ADAMU several
times to no avail. Eventually, Alhaji ADAMU picked his call
and to my surprise, he pretended not to know who i was nor
who Joy was. When i pressed further he said " did anything
happen to Joy" as if she does not know where she is. At
this point i knew all was not well.
In panic, i called my husband (who was not around at the
time due to the nature of his work), my relatives and
neighbors and we all agreed to report to the police. As we
were about stepping out to the police station, we saw two
policemen in our house who asked us to follow them to the
police station at Karmo. On getting there, the DPO informed
us that all the girls that went to Alhaji's house are all
unconscious; that one is not responding to treatment while
the others are responding. We requested to see Joy but we
were turned down and asked to come back the next day. We
pressed further but the DPO insisted we go and come back
as directed. The next day being 22nd December, 2016 i went
back to the police station in company of relatives and a
lawyer who is a close family friend. To my utter shock, i
was told that my daughter was dead and has been taken to
the mortuary.
We asked to know how, why and what led to Joy's death
and the DPO, CSP NKEM RAPHAEL declined further
comments. Our lawyer asked if the Alhaji has been arrested
but CSP NKEM RAPHAEL bluntly told us that as far he is
concerned, Alhaji is not culpable, no crime has been
committed, that my daughter died a natural death and he
cannot arrest Alhaji Usman ADAMU. DPO NKEM told the
lawyer to take the matter to his superiors but that he has
already informed them about the matter and as far as they
are concerned, Alhaji ADAMU cannot be arrested. We
requested to know the whereabout of my daughters corpse
and the other girls responding to treatment so we can
interview them. The DPO directed us to Federal Medical
Center, Airport Road Abuja and on getting to the mortuary,
we discovered body has already been embalmed. When we
asked why my daughters body was embalmed without our
knowledge, one of the attendant's confided in us that Alhaji
Usman ADAMU first brought the dead body in the early
hours of 21st Dec,2016 claiming to be the father of the girl.
But on seeing the body, they suspected foul play and
insisted that they will not admit the body until they see a
police or doctor's report. Alhaji Usman ADAMU left and
came back with DPO NKEM RAPHAEL of Karmo Divisional
Police who ordered them to immediately embalm the body.
We also discovered that the other girls the DPO claimed
were on admission in the hospital were not there. We went
back to the police station to find out why our daughters
body would be embalmed without our prior consent. At the
police station, i saw Martha, one of the girls whom i met at
Alhaji Usman ADAMU'S house. She was by the police canter
and i asked her what happened to Joy and she narrated the
following; " on the 20th of December, 2016 Alhaji Usman
ADAMU called her to come to his house, that he has already
called the other girls to help him look after his house help
who was very sick. But her elder brother ( Emmanuel, who
was also in the police station with her) stopped her from
going to Alhaji's house that day. But that she sneaked very
early in the morning to Alhaji's house the following day and
on getting there she was shocked at what she saw. She saw
my daughter , Joy ODAMA lying lifeless on the floor and the
other girls were stooling and vomiting. She became afraid
and tried to run out of the house but Alhaji Usman ADAMU
and some inside the house held her back and brought her to
the police station. When i was about asking her further
questions, some police men shouted at her to stop talking
and whisked her away.
We went back again to the DPO, CSP NKEM RAPHAEL to
ask why my daughter was embalmed without our
knowledge and that we heavily suspect foul play and
demanded for an explanation and further investigation. The
DPO reiterated his initial position and bluntly told us not to
pursue this case further, that he would advise us to dialogue
with Alhaji Usman ADAMU for our daughters burial. He
insisted he has nothing more to do with us until we agree to
meet with Alhaji Usman ADAMU.
On the advise of a family friend, we agreed to meet with
Alhaji Usman ADAMU to shed more light on what actually
transpired. On the agreed date of the meeting being 24th
Dec., 2016 by 10am, we were at the police station with our
lawyer but on sighting the lawyer, the DPO lied that the
meeting has been postponed. When the lawyer asked why,
he said that the Alhaji was not around and that his number
is not connecting, that he will call the lawyer and inform her
of the next date for the meeting. Immediately the lawyer left,
the DPO quickly called us inside his office and we were so
surprised to see Alhaji Usman ADAMU sitting right there.
The DPO told us to put off our phones and drop it on his
desk , that he does not want the meeting to be recorded. In
attendance was the DPO, CSP NKEM RAPHAEL, DCO, SP
MICHAEL OBIORA, the Inspector
Crime and Alhaji Usman ADAMU. On our side was my
husband, myself, relatives and a family friend.
The DPO was the first to speak. He said if we know what is
good for us we should agree to whatever the Alhaji will offer
us and desist from further pursuing this matter. Alhaji
Usman ADAMU then offered to settle the matter with Three
Hundred Thousand Naira(N300,000) and we became
infuriated with anger, left home and informed the lawyer
what happened. The lawyer insisted that further
investigation be carried out. The DPO again called for a
second meeting where we met with AIG Umoru Usman
Shehu; AIG Intelligence, Force Headquarters Abuja. AIG
Umoru told us bluntly also that investigation in this matter is
closed and cannot be reopened. He said Alhaji Usman
ADAMU should add an additional One Hundred Thousand
Naira (N100,000) to his initial offer. He told us harshly that
that is the much he can do in this matter and that is his final
decision and it is in our best interest to accept the offer. At
this point, apparently sensing the threat in his tone, a family
friend present called us aside and advised that we collect
the money to give them a false believe that we have agreed
to their terms while we go home and think of the next line of
action, including having it as an exhibit.
As it stands now, it is very visible the blind and audible to
the deaf that Alhaji Usman ADAMU has people in high
places within the Nigerian Police Force and have connived
with them to deny our poor family justice. So, i am
passionately pleading and calling on the government and the
general public to come to my aid so that my daughters
gruesome death will not be in vain. Investigations has
revealed that my daughter, Joy Odama is not the first girl
that Alhaji Usman ADAMU has killed on the pretext of
helping them.
I am using this medium to appeal to all to help me seek for
justice in the painful death of my daughter.
Thank You.
Yours faithfully,
Mrs Philomena ODAMA.

# Justice4JoyOdama
RE: CALL FOR JUSTICE FOR THE MURDER OF MY
DAUGHTER, JOY ODAMA BY ALHAJI USMAN ADAMU.
My name is Mrs Philomena ODAMA. I am a native of Yala
LGA in Cross River State. I am resident at old Karmo village
in Abuja.
Joy Odama is my first daughter. She is a 200 level
undergraduate of Mass Communications at the Cross River
State University; who just returned for Christmas holidays
and met her untimely death.
On the 18th Dec, 2016, one Elizabeth from Ogoja LGA, Cross
River State who is my daughters friend visited us and told
Joy to accompany her to see one Alhaji Usman Adamu who
she said was a philanthropist that gives scholarship to
young students. She said the Alhaji lives in the same
neighborhood, precisely at Ibro Quarters, Old Karmo-Abuja.
Knowing Elizabeth as a long time friend and without any
suspicion, she innocently followed her to the said Alhaji's
house. On getting there, my daughter called me that the
Alhaji wants to see me. I asked why and she said that the
Alhaji wants to help her with her education with other girls
who lives in the neighborhood who are there with their
parents. I quickly got to the house and Alhaji Usman
ADAMU promised to help in my daughters education and
equally promised to get me a job with the Nigerian Security
& Civil Defense Corps (NSCDC). We exchanged numbers, i
graciously thanked him and left with my daughter.
Two days later on the 20th December, 2016 in the evening,
Alhaji Usman ADAMU called my daughter and said his
house help is seriously sick and that she should please
come and look after her while he goes to get a doctor. He
also said he has called other girls (i.e the other girls we saw
in his house the previous day). Joy told me and i allowed her
to go. That was the last time i saw my daughter alive.
After a while on the same day, i called Joy and she said she
was at the house with the other girls and will soon be
coming back. About an hour later, when she was not yet
back, i called severally but she did not pick. Out of curiosity,
i called Alhaji Usman ADAMU on his number 08179606208
but he too did not pick. I became more worried and went to
the house but couldn't gain access to Alhaji's apartment.
The next morning, i called Joy and Alhaji ADAMU several
times to no avail. Eventually, Alhaji ADAMU picked his call
and to my surprise, he pretended not to know who i was nor
who Joy was. When i pressed further he said " did anything
happen to Joy" as if she does not know where she is. At
this point i knew all was not well.
In panic, i called my husband (who was not around at the
time due to the nature of his work), my relatives and
neighbors and we all agreed to report to the police. As we
were about stepping out to the police station, we saw two
policemen in our house who asked us to follow them to the
police station at Karmo. On getting there, the DPO informed
us that all the girls that went to Alhaji's house are all
unconscious; that one is not responding to treatment while
the others are responding. We requested to see Joy but we
were turned down and asked to come back the next day. We
pressed further but the DPO insisted we go and come back
as directed. The next day being 22nd December, 2016 i went
back to the police station in company of relatives and a
lawyer who is a close family friend. To my utter shock, i
was told that my daughter was dead and has been taken to
the mortuary.
We asked to know how, why and what led to Joy's death
and the DPO, CSP NKEM RAPHAEL declined further
comments. Our lawyer asked if the Alhaji has been arrested
but CSP NKEM RAPHAEL bluntly told us that as far he is
concerned, Alhaji is not culpable, no crime has been
committed, that my daughter died a natural death and he
cannot arrest Alhaji Usman ADAMU. DPO NKEM told the
lawyer to take the matter to his superiors but that he has
already informed them about the matter and as far as they
are concerned, Alhaji ADAMU cannot be arrested. We
requested to know the whereabout of my daughters corpse
and the other girls responding to treatment so we can
interview them. The DPO directed us to Federal Medical
Center, Airport Road Abuja and on getting to the mortuary,
we discovered body has already been embalmed. When we
asked why my daughters body was embalmed without our
knowledge, one of the attendant's confided in us that Alhaji
Usman ADAMU first brought the dead body in the early
hours of 21st Dec,2016 claiming to be the father of the girl.
But on seeing the body, they suspected foul play and
insisted that they will not admit the body until they see a
police or doctor's report. Alhaji Usman ADAMU left and
came back with DPO NKEM RAPHAEL of Karmo Divisional
Police who ordered them to immediately embalm the body.
We also discovered that the other girls the DPO claimed
were on admission in the hospital were not there. We went
back to the police station to find out why our daughters
body would be embalmed without our prior consent. At the
police station, i saw Martha, one of the girls whom i met at
Alhaji Usman ADAMU'S house. She was by the police canter
and i asked her what happened to Joy and she narrated the
following; " on the 20th of December, 2016 Alhaji Usman
ADAMU called her to come to his house, that he has already
called the other girls to help him look after his house help
who was very sick. But her elder brother ( Emmanuel, who
was also in the police station with her) stopped her from
going to Alhaji's house that day. But that she sneaked very
early in the morning to Alhaji's house the following day and
on getting there she was shocked at what she saw. She saw
my daughter , Joy ODAMA lying lifeless on the floor and the
other girls were stooling and vomiting. She became afraid
and tried to run out of the house but Alhaji Usman ADAMU
and some inside the house held her back and brought her to
the police station. When i was about asking her further
questions, some police men shouted at her to stop talking
and whisked her away.
We went back again to the DPO, CSP NKEM RAPHAEL to
ask why my daughter was embalmed without our
knowledge and that we heavily suspect foul play and
demanded for an explanation and further investigation. The
DPO reiterated his initial position and bluntly told us not to
pursue this case further, that he would advise us to dialogue
with Alhaji Usman ADAMU for our daughters burial. He
insisted he has nothing more to do with us until we agree to
meet with Alhaji Usman ADAMU.
On the advise of a family friend, we agreed to meet with
Alhaji Usman ADAMU to shed more light on what actually
transpired. On the agreed date of the meeting being 24th
Dec., 2016 by 10am, we were at the police station with our
lawyer but on sighting the lawyer, the DPO lied that the
meeting has been postponed. When the lawyer asked why,
he said that the Alhaji was not around and that his number
is not connecting, that he will call the lawyer and inform her
of the next date for the meeting. Immediately the lawyer left,
the DPO quickly called us inside his office and we were so
surprised to see Alhaji Usman ADAMU sitting right there.
The DPO told us to put off our phones and drop it on his
desk , that he does not want the meeting to be recorded. In
attendance was the DPO, CSP NKEM RAPHAEL, DCO, SP
MICHAEL OBIORA, the Inspector
Crime and Alhaji Usman ADAMU. On our side was my
husband, myself, relatives and a family friend.
The DPO was the first to speak. He said if we know what is
good for us we should agree to whatever the Alhaji will offer
us and desist from further pursuing this matter. Alhaji
Usman ADAMU then offered to settle the matter with Three
Hundred Thousand Naira(N300,000) and we became
infuriated with anger, left home and informed the lawyer
what happened. The lawyer insisted that further
investigation be carried out. The DPO again called for a
second meeting where we met with AIG Umoru Usman
Shehu; AIG Intelligence, Force Headquarters Abuja. AIG
Umoru told us bluntly also that investigation in this matter is
closed and cannot be reopened. He said Alhaji Usman
ADAMU should add an additional One Hundred Thousand
Naira (N100,000) to his initial offer. He told us harshly that
that is the much he can do in this matter and that is his final
decision and it is in our best interest to accept the offer. At
this point, apparently sensing the threat in his tone, a family
friend present called us aside and advised that we collect
the money to give them a false believe that we have agreed
to their terms while we go home and think of the next line of
action, including having it as an exhibit.
As it stands now, it is very visible the blind and audible to
the deaf that Alhaji Usman ADAMU has people in high
places within the Nigerian Police Force and have connived
with them to deny our poor family justice. So, i am
passionately pleading and calling on the government and the
general public to come to my aid so that my daughters
gruesome death will not be in vain. Investigations has
revealed that my daughter, Joy Odama is not the first girl
that Alhaji Usman ADAMU has killed on the pretext of
helping them.
I am using this medium to appeal to all to help me seek for
justice in the painful death of my daughter.
Thank You.
Yours faithfully,
Mrs Philomena ODAMA.

istoctober:


l feel has forgiven me, but l have not forgiven myself. l have changed from such life ever since then.

Your confession should be based on true repentance. And repentance in Greek is metanoia meaning change of mind..... Have a true change of mind and confess ma bcoz your sins are forgiven.
Don't rely on the reward; like him hating you or throw you out or the shame, these are devices used by the devil to distract you from the right thing.
Any pastor that said you should keep it a secret is not having the fear of God in him.
Pray very well to be sure you are ready for the tax and proceeds immediately.
Call him to a quiet place, talk of memories you have shared together, let the story out after the memories and beg him for forgiveness not to be worthy as a wife but just forgiveness to free your heart. Many will talk at you but I'm telling you; they do worse and will never feel remorse. They have a heart of a stone so please don't look at human coz they will fail you. Look onto Jesus the author and finisher of your faith.
Look at your saviour; if you look at yourself, you will only be depressed, if you look at people you will only see criticism. Look onto Jesus.
If your husband is a true Christian, nothing is too much to forgive.
Don't conclude that he won't forgive you for nothing is too much for God to do. God change the heart of a king and destroy the entire nation to favour someone so why not you? God direct your path.
Recommendation for you; download Joseph Prince sermons and listen and see God bringing you out of your situation, you can find the videos on wapistan.info or the audio on podbay.fm

jiggaz:
In our bid to live a morally upright life after accepting Christ as our Saviour, many of us believers misunderstand God's grace and consequently Romans 6:1 - “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?” We read this and start preaching the Ten Commandments as a measure of righteousness. This is usually because we somehow think that "other believers" but "surely not us" will go berserk with sin if we preach God's grace without adding the Ten Commandments to "put believers in check."


This thought has its root in the belief that God's work cannot succeed without our making it so by some forceful effort on our part, much like how "Uzzah put out his hand to the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen stumbled." in 2 Samuel 6:6. Uzzah must have had only good intentions but he still died from his action.

Like Uzzah, proponents of this mixture of Law and Grace try to "help God" to "steady His ark" by introducing law-keeping (attaining righteousness via human effort) to the New Covenant of God's grace; even when it is written that "The letter kills." God doesn't need anyone's help to steady His ark (that's us believers in Christ. His Spirit dwells in us.) Without Christ, we can do nothing.

Would you really give your own child a gift that has a slight chance of killing him? How much more our loving Saviour in whom "we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence," Ephesians 1:7-8 here tells us His grace is showered on us with wisdom and prudence, not just anyhow that we could misuse it.

Those who misunderstand and quote this verse to us “grace people” also seem to believe that all we want to do is sin when the exact opposite is the case (only by God's grace are we this way!) Like our heavenly Father, we “grace people” hate sin with a passion!

So why did Paul ask this question“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?” in Romans 6:1? Paul made some statements in the preceding chapter (Romans 5) which led to his asking this particular question. Before we address these, let’s bear the following verses in mind (Sorry, this could be a little long)

Romans 3:20 says “For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.” Law-keeping can never make one right with God or earn them a commendation. Rather, it will bring condemnation, the curse and judgment.

Galatians 3:10 says “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” Those who are trying to keep the Ten Commandments in order to get right with God are under the curse!

Galatians 5:4 says “For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.” This means that if you believe that it is your law-keeping/what you do or don’t do that makes you right with God, you can call on the name of Jesus all you want but it will be an effort in futility. You can’t mix law and grace; the Law did not come through Jesus Christ. Grace and Truth did. And this Truth is not the Ten Commandments. Christ Himself is the Truth.

Back to Romans 6:1 - “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?” The “What shall we say then?” tells us that Paul was questioning something he said in the preceding chapter (Romans 5) and he said a lot of our salvation in Christ in Romans 5!

In Romans 5:19, Paul says: “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.”

Here, Paul tells us that Adam’s disobedience is what made everybody sinners. Our sins do not make us sinners. We sin because we are sinners through Adam’s disobedience, not the other way round. Whether you do good or do bad, without Christ, as long as you are Adam’s seed, you are a sinner. In this state, even if you spend your entire life in a bubble doing “righteous things,” and not thinking a single, slightly mean thought, which no one can, in God’s eyes, you would still be a sinner and in the same boat of unrighteousness as paedophiles and murderers. The good things we do here can never make us righteous in God’s eyes.

By the same token, Christ’s obedience makes everyone who believes and receives His gift of righteousness 100% righteous in the sight of God. This blood-bought righteousness is the only one that “cuts it’ with our heavenly Father. The bad things we do cannot make us lose this righteousness, just as the good things we did before we became born-again could not change our sinner status. In Christ, we are 100% righteous because God put our sins on Jesus so that we can be righteous in Him according to Paul in 2 Corinthians 5:21-

“For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”
Verse 19 in NLT version says “And the result of God’s gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man’s sin. For Adam’s sin led to condemnation, but God’s free gift leads to our being made right with God, even though we are guilty of many sins.”

How is it that we do not question the result of one man's disobedience (eternal condemnation) yet question that of one Man’s obedience (eternal Righteousness?)
Verse 20-21, the last verses before Paul’s question “What then shall we say?” go on to say:

“Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

In essence, Paul tells us in verse 20 that the law was given so that people could see how sinful they were (“that the offense might abound.” ) But as the people sinned more, God’s wonderful grace became more abundant (“But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more.”) Verse 21 tells us that just as sin ruled over the people and brought them to death
(“so that as sin reigned in death,”) now God’s wonderful grace rules instead, giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (“even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”)

Believers, this is the crux of the gospel that Paul preached, THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. Paul preached that Christ’s obedience is what makes us righteous in the eyes of our heavenly Father, and not our law-keeping/what we do or do not do. Paul preached righteousness by faith, not by works or keeping the law in order to be made right with God.
Paul preached that Sarah (Grace) does not need Hagar (the Law) to raise Isaac (the church.) Grace is more than enough!

And the religious leaders of his day were enraged!

They wanted their Law that they could not even live by because it made them look better than the tax collectors and sinners! They persecuted Paul, just as today, preachers of God's undeserved, unmerited favour, the same gospel that Paul preached, are falsely accused of preaching that it is okay to sin because "we have grace!"

For this grace gospel that he preached, Paul was imprisoned, scourged, stoned and left for dead and murdered on the orders of the religious leaders of his day who were dogged about keeping the Law that Christ has delivered us from, just like their counterparts today who preach that our law-keeping and self-righteousness is what makes us right with God, even though Christ has fulfilled all of the Law's righteous demands for us! Even though trying to be justified by the law is the way to get cut off from Christ!

For this gospel of the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ that Paul preached (justification by faith and not by law-keeping,) He was falsely accused by the religious leaders of his day of preaching that it is okay to sin because of grace.
THIS IS WHY PAUL ASKED THE QUESTION IN ROMANS 6:1
“WHAT SHALL WE SAY THEN? SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND?”

HE WAS ASKING THE QUESTION:

“Do all these things I have said, including the truth that God’s grace super-abounds when sins increase; that we are made righteous by “one Man’s obedience” and not our law-keeping; that we are made right with God because of His free gift even though we are guilty of many sins; do these things that I said mean that believers can just go and be sinning anyhow?”

Believers, this is why Paul asked this question. He didn’t ask it in the context in which many people bandy the verse about today – usually as a reason to go back under the law that Christ has already fulfilled for us with his death! He asked because he wanted to clarify that the gospel that he preached - righteousness by faith and not by law-keeping - is not a license to sin but the key to right living!
No wonder he said “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ…”

What he preached – justification by faith and not by works of the law or keeping the Ten Commandments - was considered shameful by the Pharisees and scribes who held on to laws that they could never keep for their own righteousness, the same laws (the Ten Commandments) that those who misunderstand Romans 6:1 struggle and fail to keep even today, shunning the grace and gift of righteousness that God freely gives to us in Christ.

If you are a pastor and you have not been misunderstood and accused of preaching "easy grace" by anyone like Paul was, please ask God to show you the Truth. There is a double curse in Galatians 3 for anyone that preaches a different gospel than Paul did, specifically those who preach that believers still need to keep the Law in order to be right with God or do such and such before God will bless or help them. This is the Law and "we are not under Law but under Grace." This is the burden that Christ came to lift from our shoulders - the Law. Why do we try so hard to put the church under the spirit of bondage again to fear? Romans 8:15 says of those of us in Christ -

"For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading again to fear [of God’s judgment], but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons [the Spirit producing sonship] by which we [joyfully] cry, “Abba! Father!”"

Now to Paul’s response to his Romans 6:1 question “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2 "Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”

Believers, Paul’s response here simply means that we have moved from the country of Sin to the country of Grace where we have God’s Righteousness as gift. Just as we could produce only sinful deeds before Christ delivered us from the consequences of Adam’s disobedience, as the righteousness of God in Christ, believing in His righteousness that we receive as a gift and not that which is from our law-keeping, we will produce righteousness.

Verses 15-17 say even more: 15 "Well then, since God’s grace has set us free from the law, does that mean we can go on sinning? Of course not! 16 Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living. 17 Thank God! Once you were slaves of sin, but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you. 18 Now you are free from your slavery to sin, and you have become slaves to righteous living.”

A slave will do his master’s bidding. Slaves of God’s Righteousness (the gift, not of works) will live right. Slaves of sin will continue to sin.

But how is one a slave to sin? 1 Corinthians 15:56 says “…, and the power of sin is the law.” The Law gives sin its power over man. Anyone who is trying to keep the Law in order to get right with God is a slave to sin!
Also, notice that “choose to obey God" in v.16 is not obeying the Law but obeying Paul’s teaching: RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH AND NOT BY WORKS.
Those who struggle under the weight of laws that they cannot keep reap a harvest of sinful deeds as it is written in Romans 7:5-

5 “When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death."

What law-keeping does is arouse evil desires that produce a harvest of sinful deeds. " Old nature" here refers to the sin nature that all acquired as a result of Adam's disobedience.
Verse 6 tells of the experience of us who are the righteousness of God in Christ: "But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.”

The difference between us "grace people" and believers who still fight to keep the Law in order to get right with God or receive from Him is that by His grace, we know we are already 100% right with Him because of what Christ did for us and that He gives us all things freely with Christ according to Romans 8:32, and not because we fasted or went to some mountain to neglect our bodies. We do not have to struggle to live right by our own effort. The Holy Spirit transforms us to the image of our Lord’s glory (2 Corinthians 3:18,) ridding us of the desire to sin and causing us to do God's will. We also are not cut off from Christ as those who try to get right with God by keeping the law are, according to Galatians 5:4 -

"For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace."

Pastors and leaders, stop worrying about what other people will "use God's grace to do" and preach it. Don't try to steady the ark of God like Uzzah did. Don't add the Ten Commandments to righteousness by faith. The law is not of faith. Titus 2 tells us that Grace is our Teacher, not you or I. Tell people about God's grace and let Grace, in the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, do the rest!

Believers, ask our Lord God to lead you on the path of righteousness. The Holy Spirit will teach you all things!

Believe Right and you will Live Right."


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Absolutely wonderful... If only preachers can know that they don't have to help God to make people feel right but preach the truth and life will be transformed...
God is not interested in behavior modification, God wants to see life transformed, be transformed by keep on hearing this good news 'the Grace'. Grace transformed us and not modify our behavior and it is only when you are transformed that you can live a life free from sin

eph12:

Summary is that grace came to complement the law not delete it.

Grace did not come to complement the Law but Grace came to make us righteous.
The Pharisees take the Law outward so that it will look like human can do it and prove that they are righteous but Jesus took it inward, for example, whosover look at a woman lustfully is guilty of fornication instead of when you slept with her as believed by the Pharisees also, whoever is angry with his neighbour without a cause is guilty of murder instead of the normal act of murder.
By taking the Law inside is to reveal to them that all of them are guilty and so the need for a saviour coz there will be no need for a saviour if they are already righteous.
Grace is not to complement law but to make us righteous and free from sin.
The Law is just to expose man's sinful nature and see the need for a saviour, the saviour is Jesus Christ which is the Grace, there is no grace without the cross...
Believe right and start living right

Wallade:
I am worried about the drastic teaching of righteousness by faith and being born again rather than living a life of consciously avoiding sin. I was at a church gathering recently and was told that a born again christian man who is caught in act of sin just when rapture occurs. I was told he will make heaven.

I chose not to believe it and also not to dwell on that analogy because it is an extreme that only God can tell. The devil is now using the words of God to deceive a lot of us. We need the grace of God to recognise the deceit of the devil.

You have forgotten that sin is desire that superceeds your godly desire When you sin and that is why sin can be committed even when you conscious that it's wrong. So do you think you can get over this spirit on your own without God's assistance? That's why you need the grace of God to help you remove the desire to sin and create in you a desire to live righteous life. The Law is like a mirror, it can tell you how fine you are or how ugly you are but can not wipe away your blemishes, it just expose you but Grace cleanses your blemishes... I was once scared like you but think about this; does your been conscious of the law prevent you from committing sin? Are you living a free life devoid of sin, now that you are very law conscious? Grace is what can free you. D device the devil use against us is guilt and condemnation which we feel when we know we have violated law and that guilt separates us from the loving father who is ever ready with an open arm for us but law didn't show us that loving father and show us that the father is angry at us when we do wrong, meanwhile we are free to enter His warm arm and He will welcome us and takes sinful desire from us when we close to Him. How many of you felt so loved by your earthly father and still want to annoy him?
Let's not try to help God...... Man's wiseness is foolishness in His sight..... Try grace and receive freedom from sin

hiroz:
op does grace supersede all the teachings and directions christ gave us...
christ said love is the greatest commandment of all...If u love god u will not sin against him...if u love your neighbors you will not harm them...
the way you preach this grace it is like a Christian can sin anyhow and still be covered by it

If you really understand grace, you will know that Grace is a person and not a teaching. Grace is Jesus Christ Himself and that's why the Bible said; law was given through Moses but Grace and truth came by Jesus...
The grace of God is the only hope.... Listen to preacher of grace and you will see that you leave sin effortlessly.

Oscar4real:
the reason why they used it as their symbol is, its from the Holy Bible in the Book of Numbers 21:8-9... get your bible read it and you will Understand.. but mind you, their are other Hospital that uses 2 snakes instead of 1 snake, they one with 2 snakes is an Occultic symbol....


thank you

It's not true.... Don't say what you don't know. Your Bible verse isn't the reason for the symbol

The reason was that; the staff of Asklepius was represented by the snake enrolled to the staff, he is a great magician and did great healings in the Old days so his staff represent medicine... The snake sign you see is Asklepius staff.
In case you are interested, Asklepius has two daughters; Hygea and Panacea, Panacea take over after her father's death and she represented the symbol of Pharmacy and that's why when you see Pharmacy symbol, d snake rolled over d staff and it's head is above the staff indicating the father passed the healing on to her....
Asklepius was killed by the Greek gods, Zeus when he brought to life a dead human bcoz its against the law of nature... His staff can resuscitate a dead human

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slimsue:
Mama I will die for you. Kate Henshaw and Patience Ozokwor.

Dat lady is not Kate Henshaw oo

Wheel of change ft Rita Dominic n Stella Damasus. Its about HIV

xage:
A well articulated research with comprehensive lifestyle and the evil depth of it...until you mention love in Jesus, now how do u explain that...? There's no culture in christianity, there's no norms neither are there rules. It is a mentality that you can be gay, lesbian,prostitute and still be righteous...example is Brazil where I would call the headquarter of christianity/ catholics and alas they endorse prostitution as a legal job..

So...what are you talking about...christianity is a giant promoter of pornography...and no iota of an axiom to prove this wrong..

Oga U've lost touch with reality! I see hypocrisy in U n U a big pretender too, very quick in shifting blames even though U know d article is hitting U hard. Next time carry out Ur research b4 saying sensitive tinz........ Brazil? Headquarter of what? In what way? Are U sure U are alive?

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