What a curious and dubious statement coming from a "big man of god! " I fail to understand why this obvious and manifest falsehood could be lost on any rational human being let alone a spirit-filled christian. Firstly, are there only poor folks in his church? If the only reason he still collects offering from them is to get them out of poverty, is he going to stop collecting offering when all of them become rich? How long is it going to take him to get them out of poverty? He's been taking offering from them for more than 30yrs now and has become so stinkingly rich thereby and his members are still poor despite all those years of offering collecting and he must continue to collect to get them out of poverty? BLACK LIE! And again what about the rich members or are there no rich members in his church? Has he stop collecting offerings from them? if the only he collects is to get them out of poverty, how can he get those who are already rich out of poverty? STUPID LIE! If he hasnt at any time stop collecting offering from poor members who became rich, then there are many obvious reasons he still collects offerings from his poor members and getting them out of poverty is not one of them. A sincere and an unbiased answer to the above questions will reveal the 419 spirit behind such statement coming from a highly revered pastor. it is highly regrettable that most nigerian christians do not read between the lines of penticostal smooth double-talk. They have been brain-washed to always end up with a position or practice papa says is right irrespctive of what Christ says about a matter or the Apostles exemplified in acts and teach in the epistles. Their christian philosophy is " My Papa, Right Or Wrong " Their heart is on fire but their head on ice!

Any pastor who collects tithe from his or her clients (members) is fake because they are saying there is no new covenant or God lied when the scriptures says he has abolished the old one to establish the new one. Now if God says there is fault with the old covenant and therefore abolished it, then what authority does any pastor has to pick tithing out of the old covenant and make his clients in the new covenant to practice it? By making new covenant christians to pay tithe these pastors are shouting at the top of their voices (tho' many chose to block their ears) that:
1. God is a liar
2. He did not abolish the old covenant
3. Tithe is not part of the old covenant
4. Tithe is part of the new covenant
5. First century christians paid tithe as recorded in the bible from matt - rev
6. Infact there is no new . covenant at all: this is the most diabiolic implication of all about the twisted doctrine of tithing; if new covenant christians still pay tithe that is part of the old covenant, it therefore means the old is not obsolete aa the bible says and so there is no new covenant; if there is no new cocvenant then Jesus did not establish one at the last supper; and if Jesus did not establish a new covenant, Jeus did not come. He did not come to save mankind from sin; to show us the way to the Father; to be a mediator of a new covenant btw God and man...... You see by advocating the obsolete law of tithing these pastors have denied that Jesus came in the flesh as mediator btw God and man to establish a new covenant. According to 1 jn 4: 2-3 , these pastors are not only fake, they are anti-christs.

[quote author=felibrain post=28868827]
God bless you. I've Never been sick since birth


Have u been xtian from birth? those times u were not ill b4 u became a winner chapeller, who was respnsible? why would God keep u healthy when u were not a xtian and today winner chapellers buy and take communion for healing and anointing oil for the same?
[quote author=felibrain post=28868827]
God bless you. I've Never been sick since birth


Have u been xtian from birth? those times u were not ill b4 u became a winner chapeller, who was respnsible? why would God keep u healthy when u were not a xtian and today winner chapellers buy and take communion for healing and anointing oil for the same?
[quote author=felibrain post=28868827]
God bless you. I've Never been sick since birth


Have u been xtian from birth? those times u were not ill b4 u became a winner chapeller, who was respnsible? why would God keep u healthy when u were not a xtian and today winner chapellers buy and take communion for healing and anointing oil for the same?

Have u been xtian from birth? those times u were not ill b4 u became a winner chapeller, who was respnsible? why would God keep u healthy when u were not a xtian and today winner chapellers buy and take communion for healing and anointing oil for the same?

Xiadnat:
edekoln:

What did the chest imaging say again? You had no ventricular failure or that you do?

Anyway, it sounds like a lot of gas in your bowel. Consider getting an abdominal imaging to check for stool impaction.

If you are constipated, then try stool softener.

But, I am thinking your issues may not be that something is physically wrong.

Good luck

I hv no left ventricular failure and I had an abnomial scan that did not pick up any problem in my abdomen. I sure hv a problem because I hv been on admission 2ice since I 1st posted here. And hv been in and out of about 5 hospitals btween those admissions and no doc could tell what is wrong with me. The tightness in my left chest is still there and only gets tighter and drains my strength whenever I ate solid food. Im afraid to eat tho I hv appetite. Begining to lose weight and there is this wave of dizziness that washes over me when I stand up from a sitting or reclining position. I hv to grab hold of somthing or sit back again not to fall down. I did an ECG. Nurse said it is ok . Doc yet to see it tho. Really confused right now. Will need all the advice I can get about my condition and what to do now.

Best regards

Hi doc
I ve another problem that's been overshadowed by my previous complaint.
There is the raised dark patch of skin on my penis tip around the miatus. It looks like welt or proud flesh. There is no pain no sore no blister just the dark skin slightly raised above the surrounding skin. On the shaft there a kind of patch like eczima in two places. I also have a burning sensation on my scrotum which only gets pain when I touch it. It gets itchy when am yet to take my bathe later in the day but relieved after scrubbing hard with sponge inspite of the burning pain. The scrotal skin feel leathery to touch and scaly and often feel like someting is crawling all over my scrotum.

I saw a doctor and I told to do urethral swab which I did and staph aureus was nailed as the culprit.

I been on antiboitics for a week now but with no sign of improvement.

Do u think that was the correct diagnosis? What kind of disease presents with the symptoms as I have described above? The dark slightly raised patch around my meatus and my burning itchy scaly scrotum, are they symptom of the same infection or sign of different ones?

Best regard
o woed

Xiadnat:


Have you had an injury or accident or ?

What I can say is to make sure it is not problems with your heart so to speak. Did they test your heart? like ECG or cardiac markers?

The other thing is: perhaps a fractured rib impinging on your heart there.


If they correctly read the chest xray, they should pick up a fracture.

Pepperrish taste could be a sign of reflux of stomach contents. Try antacid, and limit pepperish food and see it it helps.

Are you particularly highly anxious or depressed or stressed?

I've no injury, acident or broken rib either. The xray report says that I have no active pulmunary infection, left ventricle failure and I have a normal heart size.,... My thoracic cavity and its contents are ok the report concluded.

Could this be reflux? I feel is something more serious. Its buiding pressure in my left chest, compressing my heart, draining my strength, I gas and belch, poor bowel movment with hard faeces that comes out in pellets..... feel very miserable dont whats wrong with me dont wht to do.

I am sad but not depressed, Not xtraordnarily stressed: I cut my coat accoding to my size. The only thing am anxious about now is I dont know what is wrong with me and what to do.

best regards

Pls doc help me am going thru hell and docs at the hospital were no help at all. its like the weight of 2 six inches block is pressing against my left chest squeezing my heart and draining my strenght. I dont feel like eating and there is kind of peperish taste in my mouth, There is a depression btw my left chest and belly where u can feel the rib not connected to the sternum. The pressure I feel against my heart seems to start from there and radiat to my chest and back. I did a chest xray and it was ok. My doc just told to go and be drinking a lot of water and see him in 2weeks. I feel no relief at all and infact the pressure seem to be increasing. What could wrong with me and what should I do?

There is something I don't understand about pst chris and the word of God he preaches. Is God incosistent with his word? E.g bible says. "The righteousness of the perfect shall direct their way: but the wicked shall fall by his own wickedness.."prov. 11:5. Is the neglect of ones matrimonial home or probably bed for 16yrs, walking under the direction of righteousness? Or is this a classical example of wickedness? Isn't that neglect directing this divorce saga? Again, bible says, "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see God." Heb 12:14 Is the abadonment of his wife and her emotional needs, that long for whatever reason, consistent with the pursuit of peace and holiness? And yet he hears, receives revelations, and anointing to heal and do miracles, from God in spite of his wilful abadonment of his filial and marital responsibilities? It beats my imagination how family neglect equates peace, holiness and righteousnes when the bible says a man who can't take care of his family is worst than an infidel. Can a proud and conceited infidel heal the sick and do the miracles pastor chris claims he does? " Finally, bible says, All unrighteousnes is sin..." 1jn 5:17. In spite of the fact that pst chris once said masturbation is not a sin (he implied it's righteuosness considering the definition of sin from the above scripture), I strongly believe masturbation, tattooing, male hair perming as well as family abadonment are expressions of unrighteouness in the light of the above scripture and therefore sin. Those 4 behaviours can only be one thing: sin, unless you want to see them as righteous acts, which I,m sure no child of God would see as such. There is nowhere in the bible God had used or empowered any unrepentant sinner to manifest his holiness and righteousness thru the power of healing and miracles and wealth. This is the incosistency I fail to reconcile about God's word with the word pst chris preaches and lives by!

Tithe is one of the mosaic laws. According to gal 5:4,If you are paying tithe, you are trying to keep the law. Anyone who does that has fallen from grace. I doubt if you are still a christian when you have fallen from grace which comes thru christ. The law that came thru moses requires the you keep all 600 or more mosaic laws orguilty of all if you break anyone of them. How many of these laws do christians know and keep and how can keeping only one, the law of tithe make you guiltless?

The wind of truth is blowing across naija christianity and the anuses of the apostolic fowls, pastoral vultures, bishopric hawks and scamming doves are being exposed. He that has eyes let him see what the spirit of truth is revealing

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fyneguy: lol I laugh when I read or hear the way some christians try to be 'humble''. In the process, they act like slaves.

So it's a sin to be a 'proud christian'?

lol some people will remain baby christians till christ comes

As for me, I can boast in christ Jesus! I'm not an ordinary human being like some christians claim. I am a royal proesthood, A member of the assembly of firstborns registered in heaven. I am not a slave!

'I am a royal priesthood'. you just rattled that off without knowing what you are talking about. that is one of the half truths he tells you to make your head to swell in order to empty your pocket. the other half of the truth, he will never tell you or did pastor Chris tell you that priest don't pay tithe but only receive it? he wont and if he does, his scamming scheme will fall down like a pack of cards and he will lose you a paying maga. go check the scriptures, royals don't pay tithe neither do priest yet you are brainwashed, cajoled, threatened, shamed into surrendering ur hard earned money in the name of tithe or get cursed if you don't pay. don't you pay tithe? do you receive tithe?And you are here calling yourself a royal priesthood, sorry o, ele o. ndo.

I use to love this man when he first hit the air waves and the silver screen. I was a relatively young Christian then and was completely taken in by his suavity: what he says and the way he says it; the explosion of glamorous tv miracles;the way he carried himself; the way he dressed and encouraged his members to dress, especially the female folks, was completely novel to Christianity. Although a bit confused about his permed hair and the trouser wearing female followers, I loved the pastor anyway. it was not until I began to here unusual statements from him that I came to realized which side he is on: He said that masturbation is not a sin but a bad habit. Now, am not aware that there is any middle ground between sin and righteousness in the bible. if masturbation is not sin, is it righteousness? or is bad habit the same thing righteousness? He also said there is nothing wrong with spotting a tatoo because it is not mention in the bible. these and many other controversial remarks make me to see this man as an antichrist in spite of myself. he tells you what will not inconvenience you to keep in order to keep you in his church. he more interested in your money than your soul. Beware!





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u get am joor. na so our churchianity be. from the pulpit to the pew. everybody na hypocrite

its quite heart-breaking that the people u hold in high esteem by reason of their position as your pastor are really fraudsters as borne out by attitude toward money and how they splash it when it gets into their hands. its a shame! when the foundation is destroyed, what shall the righteous do. to ur tents O Israel!

The reason these charlatans that call themselves pastor, rev. bishop are defrauding their members in the name of offering and tithing and various other scams is that the followers are so utterly ignorant of what the bible teaches. they don't read the bible to know what the bible says about every issue that concerns them the followers, the church owners and the life style that is expected of all of them. the followers just believe whatever the church owners tell them so long as the preachers tell them what they want to hear. miracles, promises of supernatural interventions that borders on the magical, to overcome financial challenges and every other problems they face in life, make them amenable to the deception of these 'holy' crooks. If people read the bible and take it as the word of God, they will see these so called men of God as the most crooked business men that they really are.

First of all, is it biblical for a person to own church? what is the name of the church established by Jesus and his Apostles. where is it written in the bible that the Apostles set up churches in their name as family businesses make their wives pastors rev, and archbishop and pass on the mantle of leadership to them when they die? If there is not, why are these men of God doing it now?

Secondly, Christians are suppose live the way Christ lived when he was on earth. he move from place to place preaching salvation. he lived a life of modesty and not one given to superfluity and flamboyance. he did not advertise miracles, he frowned at people buying and selling ( miracles, olive oil, candles, handkerchief, devotional books)in the church. these preachers are doing exactly the opposite of what Christ did when he was around. And they call themselves christian clergies? Christ will flog and drive them out when he enters the church for they do not look and behave like him at all.

If people read their bible especially the life of Christ and compare it with the life of their pastors they will discover they are dealing with antichrists, who is out to make themselves rich at the expense of their followers, and will not be fooled by their deceptions anymore. read ur bible and again I say read ur bible!

Again, lets look at another way these vicars of christ comport themselves to see if their behaviours reflect the kind of life christ lived and expects them to live also. It is a common knowledge that these men of God employ the services of body guards and policemen for their protection against real and inagined attacks. You see them moving in convoy with siren blaring and these policemen shooting sporadically into the air, striking fear into the heart of onlookers.

That kind of behaviour, is it one Jesus would approve of ? Is there any where in the bible, where Jesus or his disciples behaved in like manner that now form the basis of these men of God that have turned themselves into the god of men to misbehave like this? Jesus told his disciples to go and make disciples of all nations and that he would be with them always. So what are they afraid of? Does it mean that they are not making disciples and so God is not with them to protect them? Does it mean that they are doing their own business and so have to protect themselves against competitors? Or is it that they dont even believe ( what they tell their followers) that God is their sure protection? Or is it that they practise a form of christianity that does not have the power of God for protection? What is the difference between them and somebody who is using talisman, juju or jazz for protection? well, I leave you the reader to figure that out.

And I would like you to figure this out also: why are clergymen getting overly rich? Are there examples in the bible that justifies that trend? Dont get me wrong. I dont think there is anything wrong for anybody to get stupendously rich if he is able to add value to the lives of many people and gets paid for his products and/or services. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Invar Kamprad and a host of others are good examples and these people are businessmen. Any christian who God blesses with an idea that can add value to the lives of other people and work hard at it, could be as rich as those people or even richer.

Having said that, I want to draw the readers attention to the fact that when God call sombody to come and serve him as sherpherd of his people, He expects them to leave the business they were doing before. He does'nt call them into the ministry to start making merchandise of the word of God and become stinkinly rich thereby. Their only business is to help people to seek the kingdom of God and its righteousness first, then the additional benefits following. But it appears that what they doing now is selling these adittional benefits to their naive followers and making themselves astoundingly rich at their expense. Examples of those who God called as priest, prophets, apostles, pastors etc. are many in the bible. Let us see if they are following these examples:

Moses was a shephard when God called him to lead His people to the promise land. He never went back to sheparding again or entered any other business . It was not written anywhere that he was a business tycoon and was mega rich. He kept doing what God called him to do until the day he died. His wife or his son did not succeed him.

Aaron and his descendants were called to be priests. They were priest till the day they died and never do any other business. they lived in the house of God and never built a palace for themselves from the procceeds of tithes and offering to live in. It is not recorded in the bible that they were so rich that they acquired for themselves the chiocest land; a collection of golden chariots from Egypt, Babylon and Assyria; Exotic pleasure boats from Tyre and Tarshish. They were priests and led lives becoming of their priesthood

Elisha was a farmer before God called him to be a prophet. He killed the oxen he used for ploughing the ground to prepare food for his friends and family and then follow Elijah. He never came back to farming again or go into any other trade for that matter. He even rejected tainted gifts from some people. He weilds an uncommon power which those who concern themselves with wealth and riches gospel can never sniff. No where is it written that he was mega rich.

Most of the apostles of Christ were fishermen before Jesus called them. Matthew was a tax collector. They never went back to their previous trade or did side business as they followed Jesus. The gospels did not say they become super rich as a result of follwing Jesus. And there is no where in the bible they flaunt their wealth and threw modesty to the winds. Peter and John had no money but they had the power of God and so could make a well-known cripple walk. They displayed the power of God out of compassion in the streets, not inside the churches, in books or on TV, as we see this days, where miracles are stage managed and advertised to attract more customers (tithe payers).

The apostle Paul was a Pharisee, a legal luminary, a Jewish zealot and religious fanatic. When God called him, he became a different person. The pomp and pageantry that characterises the life of today's pastors is alien to the way he lived and conducted his life as a christian. His philosophy in life seems to be 'Godliness with contentment is great gain'. He wasn't super rich. He estalished many churches and never own any. He did not even so much depend on the church for his upkeep. Whenever a collection was made in any church, it is to meet the needs of other christians elswhere who are in dire need and not for himself.

The kind of gospel our today's preachers are preaching and their attendant lifestyle , is it the same gospel with the one that was once delivered to the saints? Or is it another kind of gospel? You will never know as long as you dont ask questions. As long as you are always satisfied with what you are told, the answer will always elude you and will never know that the one who you trust to instruct and direct you on the right path to God's kingdom actually sees you as a vehicle to his financial freedom, economic power, political relevance and his ecclesiastical and business empire.

In as much as they claim that the bible is the source of their authority, then let everybody who claim to be a christian read the bible and xray the lives of the old testament priests and prophets, the life of Christ and his Apostles and juxtapose it with the way of life of today's pastors and see if their life of insatiable greed, patent ostentation and brazen materialism can be justified by the values, principles, beliefs, attributes and the way of life exemplfied by those bible personalities.

Obviusly, they are preaching a different gospel from the one forshadowed by Moses, Aaron, and Elisha; fufilled, lived and preached by Jesus and delivered to the Apostles. They are preaching the gospel of MAMMON. They cared not about your soul one bit. They only care about your tithes and offerings, special offering, first fruits. sacrifcial offering. They only care about you sowing a fat seed into their lives. That is all there is about to it. Your pastor, you and your money!

If you read the bible and know how God expects priests and prophets, pastors and reverends, bishops and archbishops to conduct their lives as men of God, you will never fall into the fraudulent schemes of any swindler decorated with multiples of such titles

the reason these charlatans that call themselves pastor, rev. bishop are defrauding their members in the name of offering and tithing and various other scams is that the followers are so utterly ignorant of what the bible teaches. they don't read the bible to know what the bible says about every issue that concerns them: the followers, the church owners and the life style that is expected of all of them. the followers just believe whatever the church owners tell them so long as the preachers tell them what they want to hear. miracles, promises of supernatural interventions that borders on the magical, to overcome financial challenges and every other problems they face in life, make them amenable to the deception of these 'holy' crooks. If people read the bible and take it as the word of God, they will see these so called men of God as the most crooked business men that they really are.
first of all, is it biblical for a person to own church? what is the name of the church established by Jesus and his Apostles. where is it written in the bible that the Apostles set up churches in their name as family businesses make their wives pastors rev, and archbishop and pass on the mantle of leadership to them when they die? If there is not, why are these men of God doing it now?
secondly, Christians are suppose live the way Christ lived when he was on earth. he move from place to place preaching salvation. he lived a life of modesty and not one given to superfluity and flamboyance. he did not advertise miracles, he frowned at people buying and selling ( miracles, olive oil, candles, handkerchief, devotional books)in the church. these preachers are doing exactly the opposite of what Christ did when he was around. And they call themselves christian clergies? Christ will flog and drive them out when he enters the church for they do not look and behave like him at all.
If people read their bible especially the life of Christ and compare it with the life of their pastors they will discover they are dealing with antichrists, who is out to make himself rich at the expense of his followers, and will not be fooled by their deceptions anymore. read ur bible and again I say read ur bible!

no similarity

[quote author=dare2think]1. Leviticus 7:6-10
6 Every male among the priests may eat of it. It shall be eaten in a holy place. It is most holy. 7 The guilt offering is just like the sin offering; there is one law for them. The priest who makes atonement with it shall have it. 8 And the priest who offers any man's burnt offering shall have for himself the skin of the burnt offering that he has offered. 9 And every grain offering baked in the oven and all that is prepared on a pan or a griddle shall belong to the priest who offers it. 10 And every grain offering, mixed with oil or dry, shall be shared equally among all the sons of Aaron

I read the verses preceding these verses, and from what I gathered the Lord was speaking to Moses, who in turn  commanded the people of Isreal and gave them the above instructions.

Habiolah, are you a Jew?

God did not tell moses to instruct you to do the above. He instructed moses to tell the Jews to do the above;

22 The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 23 “Speak to the people of Israel, saying, You shall eat no fat, of ox or sheep or goat.

Whoever informed you that lev 7, 6-10 equated to giving to Pastors is a fraud.


2. 1Kings 17:8-9
8 Then the word of the LORD came to him, saying, 9 “Arise, go to Zarephath, which belongs to Sidon, and dwell there. See, I have commanded a widow there to provide for you.”

To me this is just a matter of English comprehension. The Lord "came to him", Elijah, and instructed him to go to sidon where he instructed a widow to provide for him.  That instruction was for Elijah and not for you or me or any Pastor. How did you then come to the conclusion that God 'commanded people to give them' from 1Kings 17:8-9? when the only people in the verse God commanded is the widow and Elijah.

3. Matt 10:41-42
41He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward 42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.42And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.

Again, just a matter of comprehension.  Jesus said 'He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward'. A very simple statement, [b]pls how did you arrive to the conclusion God 'commaded us to give'?
In verse 42, it is clearly stated that 'whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only, '  When you imply that we give to these men in relation to these verses I only hope that you are talking of 'Cold Water', only then will it be appropriate to align your insinuations and the verse.[/b]

4.Luke 10:4-8
4Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.
5And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
6And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
7And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.
8And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:

Pls, tell me that those you say "God commanded people to give them" are amongst the seventy the lord appointed in verse 1. Because those were the ones the Lord instructed in verse 4-8 to undertake the eating and the drinking. Furthermore, the never instructed them to collect money. Eating and drinking as stated in verse 7.


So please tell me, where did God instruct you and I (not Jews) to give to men parading themselves as men of God? The instructions in the verses you provided were for specific people.




pastors, reverends, bishops are suppose to be priest and prophet as u have them in the old testament. they stand between the people and God and make the mind of God made known to man. they live a very regulated, regimented and moderated lives. all their lives they pursue holiness and righteousness. emphasis was never placed on riches, materialism and wealth accumulation. if there is any priest or prophet that was stinkingly rich both in the new and old testament, someone should point him out to me. u might want to say that is the old testament, when Jesus died everything changed. but payment of tithe which form their main profit is an old testament injuction. why is it that there is no record of prophets, priests and new testament believers, in the bible, who became as wealthy as our modern day preachers? why is that there is no record of apostles who owns a church and became rich as a result of establishing one? the idea of a man establishing a church and become the owner of that church is alien to biblical practices. and this practice has reduce the church of God to business enterprise of which the founder is CEO. that is the situation on ground today. there are no churches but businesses. and the founders are entrepreneurs who use every means to maximize profit even if it means taking advantage of peoples fear and respect for God, ignorance of the word of God and also the intimidation with hell and devil. these preacher hide under a form of godliness to advance their businesses and ungodly agenda. it is unfortunate that they will always have victims.