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Music/Radio / Re: Amy Winehouse Is Dead by ElRazur: 5:28pm On Jul 24, 2011
Coogar.

What is the "required dosage"


You claim Marijuana isn't harmful yet it is a controlled substance or illegal in many parts of the world.

You claim it isn't harmful yet there is a high incidence of psychosis amongst smokers. (Especially those who are dependant on it)


shocked



Look, Weed do have some benefits (those who suffer from Arthritis claim it is soothing and help their inflammatory disorder) however there are chemicals present in it that causes a lot of harm or associated with harm at least. As it stand so far there are more research that supports the stance marijuana is more harmful.
Foreign Affairs / Re: How Did The British Run An Empire With Such A Small Army? by ElRazur: 5:15pm On Jul 24, 2011
Speaking of unmanned aerial craft, the US, Israel, UK, Germany and perhaps France are way ahead of any nation on earth.

Those who regularly give comments on world conflicts already stated from almost 5 or 6 decade ago that warfare of tomorrow will be via robots. I think this is already happening anyway.

The first gulf war saw Iraqi army surrendered to a UAV during a battle. 

Exoskeleton are being built and tested already. These allow  a soldier to have the power and capabilities of say a small army in terms of raw strength or firing power.

Robotic dogs/beast that can ferry wounded soldiers are prototype ready as of last year or so.

Israel already developed a gun that can see what's round the corner. This means a soldier can take out enemies with shots without exposing himself to incoming fire etc.
Music/Radio / Re: Amy Winehouse Is Dead by ElRazur: 2:55pm On Jul 24, 2011
Woli dafidi

You touched on an important point there and can I ask you if you fit write a thread specifically for this?

It is bizarre how the current generation - even though there isn't much difference in terms of years between "us" and "them" - have a distorted view of many things. Ranging from success, to how the things should be etc. May be I am getting old and what not, but then  I noticed that if you speak to anyone over 25, they pretty much share your point.



@Topic

Here is a good link to read on amy. She's more or less a victim of a broken home, a broken relationship (probably as a result of coming from a broken home) etc.  Anyway, have a read if you can.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/8656986/Amy-Winehouse-1983-2011.html
Foreign Affairs / Re: How Did The British Run An Empire With Such A Small Army? by ElRazur: 2:26pm On Jul 24, 2011
sonyvaio:

I'm not saying different things
I am just comparing the powerful and efficient British army of the past to the present one.
Modern warfare is really expensive and with the current Defence budget cuts, it can only get weak


Military technology of Western nations are usually so advanced that a few years budget cut won't be enough to make a massive dent in the general advancement of military technology IMO.

UK PM already stated that while a few projects - war ship and possible nuclear war heads - may be scrapped, UK will spend money in areas that are needed. I think he cited counter-insurgency etc. That is, hitting the enemy before the threat even materialise (Similar to what Mossad of IDF are good at perhaps?)

I think one can make the argument that while there will be defence cut, there will also be improvement in areas that UK military see fit, in order to remain efficient.
Foreign Affairs / Re: So Oyinbo Too Dey Bomb; Norwegian Bombing Carried Out By Norwegian Citizen And Not Muslims by ElRazur: 1:26pm On Jul 24, 2011
4 Play:

Acts of terror are carried out in the name of Islam everyday. Finding 1 incident where an act of terror was carried out, purportedly in the name of Christianity, does not disprove the exceptionally violent nature of many of the Muslim faith. You can say that this case is an exception that proves the norm.

There are also many incidents where acts of terror have been perpetrated by those of no faith in the name of one secular ideology or the other. While violence has been associated with countless causes, whether faith based or secular, it's the frequent resort to violence in the name of Islam that makes Islam unique.


Gbam. Well done.

Islam and violence is just a long running soap opera.
Music/Radio / Re: Amy Winehouse Is Dead by ElRazur: 1:23pm On Jul 24, 2011
Aqva:



A dead Amy Winehouse is better and will always be better than a legion of worthless living Sagamites.

Perhaps I missed the memo. Please explain to me as to how this is so?

Sagamite isn't a junkie, he's living and breathing, keeping you entertained here (well, at least you keep replying to him).    .    .    .  How is a dead singer better than him?

Foreign Affairs / Re: Bianca Ojukwu Abandons Ailing Ojukwu In Old People's Home In England by ElRazur: 1:19pm On Jul 24, 2011
Cap28

What's wrong with allowing an Old person to live in a home (Old people's home)?

They are cared for, fed and there is a Doctor and Nurse on call 24 hours.

They essentially have their own rooms or even apartment and Nurses will only come in during meal time or to check on them. How is this such a bad thing? They get to socialise with their own age-group etc, so what is really the issue here?

Will you prefer he is in Nigeria surrounded my Grand children and children only for the day and they can go about their business while he is left to rot alone in the village, or perhaps the option of living with one of his children who may have to go to his own job and as such not able to look after him properly a better option?


For someone who post some a lot of "conspiracies", perhaps you should stop and think?


Most elderly people who are not able to cater for themselves will prefer to be in a home than to be alone or die of loneliness. Also it wasnt an easy decision for the wife .

Nah wah o.
Foreign Affairs / Re: How Did The British Run An Empire With Such A Small Army? by ElRazur: 12:25pm On Jul 24, 2011
sonyvaio:

The British army is now a shadow of itself, reducing it to 82,000 won;t do any good. Former US sec of defence, Robert Gates criticized NATO allies for their inability to maintain a campaign of about 5 months in their backyard (Libya), some are running short of ammunition already and are calling for US help.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/gates-rebukes-european-allies-in-farewell-speech/2011/06/10/AG9tKeOH_story.html

Your post is saying different things in my opinion.

Modern warfare is not always about numbers, rather how well trained, well equuipped and how efficent an army is. China's army is the most in the world terms of sheer numbers, however tthey are poorly equipped and not as efficient when compared to say that of US or perhpas Japan and Canada.


Remember the movie 300? It was based roughly on war events that happened in Persia (now called Iran). About 300 men fought according to history to keep over 5 thousand men at bay for 3 good days or so due to how efficient they were back then.

Also, Israel army is small when compared to that of Egypt, yet due to the efficiency of IDF (Israeli defence force), they handed the Egyptian and Syrian Army a beating that is forever written in history during the seven days war.


My point? Well, it is not always about numbers and future wars will rely more on efficiency rather than large number of men on the ground.


As per your quote on what Robert gates is saying, you seem to forget that NATO is not only UK but a combination of other EU nations too. As such, there will be political debate/differences as to committing troops to a potential war that it isn't strongly supported by the UN and to a lesser extent, the arab world. Also take into consideration the current economical climate, and you'll realise that no nation is keen on a long-running war.
Foreign Affairs / Re: How Did The British Run An Empire With Such A Small Army? by ElRazur: 10:06am On Jul 24, 2011
As already mentioned, they had/still have a good navy. Also  back then it was the norm in the British society to promote "exploration", thereby spreading the British influence. Men who conquered and discovered new places were highly respected etc.

Also to add an angle to this debate, future war won't be about numbers how how large an army is, rather it will be about how efficient the actual army is and the type of weapon at their disposal.

Israel has demonstrated this in the past, where they defeated Syria, Egypt and a few nations in the "seven days war".

China is recognizing this too and hence why they escalated  the modernizing of their army.

USA is far ahead in this aspect too with the biggest defend budget than any other nation in the world.

In fact, most western nation with small army tend to have speciality of somekind that works very well in their favour.

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Foreign Affairs / Re: Rebekah Brooks Has Resigned. by ElRazur: 8:34am On Jul 21, 2011
tpia@:

mediagate?

Yup it is.

Personally, I feel Rupert Murdoch wields too much power and influence for one man. I hope the politicians can now break-free from his hold and strip him of his power and influence.

The actions of his corporation or those who worked for his business empire are criminal. Period. I hope someone is jailed for this. As it stand, in my opinion and based on the allegations and scandals, I fo not feel Rupert Murdoch is a "Fit and Proper" owner to run a business in the UK.
Foreign Affairs / Re: Has Gadaffi Succeeded In Humiliating Nato And Obama? by ElRazur: 8:30am On Jul 21, 2011
How can one criticize NATO while ignoring the fact that it was a "limited mission". It was just air bombardment of crucial targets with no ground force to mop up the pockets of resistance shielding Ghadaffi. If the NATO forces are unleashed on the ground with say a battalion or maybe slightly more, then Gadaffi would no doubt be dead.

But hey, let's ignore all of these and let our anti-western hatred get in the way and let's all hail Ghadaffi a hero and Giant of Africa who "Stood up" to the West, Nato and Amellikcca.


Jeez.


It may also be worth adding that due to Global economical changes, and transition happening in most Western military forces, these nations do not want to be tied down in a long and dragged on war that the UN won't give a proper go ahead.
Dating And Meet-up Zone / Re: 3rd Annual UK "BBQOMGWTF Come and chop enjoyment" Summer Meet up! by ElRazur: 4:16pm On Jul 16, 2011
follypimpi:

It is summer noni.

Home boy. Something go shele soon. :-D
Dating And Meet-up Zone / Re: 3rd Annual UK "BBQOMGWTF Come and chop enjoyment" Summer Meet up! by ElRazur: 7:48pm On Jul 04, 2011
elowa:

@elrazur,

Not sure i ll be able to hang around till the party comes up,
i ve been in London for a while on vac and shd b leaving in a week's time,
and it's obvious it can't come up b4 then.
am open to any responsible nairalander who wants to hang out with me before then, drinks on me.


Sorry to hear that you may not be present. I am sure there is always a next time.

I have a feeling, someone may take on your offer of hanging together. smiley
Crime / Re: Nigerian Man Stabs Wife To Death, Cuts Her Into Pieces by ElRazur: 7:43pm On Jul 04, 2011
Sorry if I'm late to the party.

I will murder anyone who brings god into this or claim the guy was under the influence of the devil or some other spiritual crap.

It is shocking to read something like this, and more sickening to hear people trying to rationalise this via blaming the devil. Let's be blunt, the guy clearly have crazy issues going on and as such should be sectioned indefinitely or locked up in jail for the rest of his life.
Webmasters / Re: Can Google+ Compete With Facebook by ElRazur: 2:15pm On Jul 03, 2011
Why do most nigerians seem to have a mentality of all or nothing? People are forgetting that it is entirely possible for both social networks to exist side by side. You know, just as Apple and Microsoft existed side-by-side for years.

Anyway, to answer the question, Yes Google+ can compete with Facebook. As to whether this happens remains to be seen.  Let's not think this is a walk in the park for Facebook. Actually, it is far from it. After all, My Space, Friends, Bebo et al were all part of the "in thing" at some point before they faded off.

Nothing last forever and as such, it isn't entirely a fantasy to see facebook becoming deserted.

Last month, it was reported that in the UK alone over 100, 000 are leaving facebook every month etc. Is this a sign of things to come? Time will tell.


I don't know if this was mentioned already, but Mark Zuckerberg already opened a Google+ account and this is confirmed by people in the know that it is him. Now my question of course is why did he opened an account? While the answer will range from wanting to check out the opposition to how may be worried etc. Personally I feel it is more to do with both.

My two cents.
Dating And Meet-up Zone / Re: 3rd Annual UK "BBQOMGWTF Come and chop enjoyment" Summer Meet up! by ElRazur: 6:38am On Jul 03, 2011
List updated. . .


FollyPImpI (Confirmed)

R231 (Confirmed)

Lalaboi (Confirmed)

Goldieluks (Interested)

IdowuOgbo (Confirmed)

LadyT (Please confirm your interest)

Blacksta (Confirmed)

TeeBoySeven (Please confirm your interest)

Ismaeel86 (Interested)

Elowa (Interested)

Pweety4me (Interested)

Nana (Confirmed)

Debosky (Confirmed)

Kandikane (Interested)

Tubabie (Confirmed)

nike4luv (Confirmed)

Likeme (interested)





@Odunnu

Sorry, I deactivated it. smiley Don't worry, I'll be in touch.
Dating And Meet-up Zone / Re: 3rd Annual UK "BBQOMGWTF Come and chop enjoyment" Summer Meet up! by ElRazur: 2:28pm On Jul 01, 2011
Yes please. Yme you can.
Dating And Meet-up Zone / Re: 3rd Annual UK "BBQOMGWTF Come and chop enjoyment" Summer Meet up! by ElRazur: 4:42pm On Jun 29, 2011
kandiikane:

@Elrazur, is it possible to have it in london?

This na democracy, the members will decide - they always do.






Googles,

Are you confirming your interest then?
Dating And Meet-up Zone / Re: 3rd Annual UK "BBQOMGWTF Come and chop enjoyment" Summer Meet up! by ElRazur: 9:18pm On Jun 26, 2011
List updated. . .


FollyPImpI (Confirmed)

R231 (Confirmed)

Lalaboi (Confirmed)

Goldieluks (Interested)

IdowuOgbo (Confirmed)

LadyT (Please confirm your interest)

Blacksta (Confirmed)

TeeBoySeven (Please confirm your interest)

Ismaeel86 (Interested)

Elowa (Interested)

Pweety4me (Interested)

Nana (Confirmed)

Debosky (Confirmed)

Kandikane (Interested)

Tubabie (Confirmed)

nike4luv (Confirmed)
Celebrities / Re: Wizkid And Skales Were Denied American Visas In Nigeria by ElRazur: 3:25pm On Jun 24, 2011
odiaero:

Dress like a mad man, get all the docs and go for interview, u will only be seen as someone on journey no return, they will think u want to go and hustle, u are deny visa, so your dressing matters too

Lwkmd.

E be like say you dey yearn from experience shey? grin grin
Travel / Re: Is The Uk Worth Staying In Anymore Or Should One Consider Moving Back To Nigeria by ElRazur: 3:07pm On Jun 24, 2011
shocked Chei see fire.

Anyway paragraphs added for easy reading.


norrisman:

I hate m.u.m.u topics like this. The thing that gets to me the most is when people complain about things like tax, MOT and council tax. Did you not know the rate of tax before you took the job? You do not want to have an MOT? Buy a brand new car every 3 years and give up on that banger you are driving. If an illiterate complained about MOT, I may understand because he probably doesnt understand what it is for but coming from a Linux engineer, I am well disappointed. You dont want to pay council tax but you want your trash to be picked every week, grafitti removed, potholes fixed, parks kept clean e.t.c. where do you expect the council to get money to provide these services? From yahoo yahoo.

You have 2 children and I can bet you did not pay a dime when they were born. Where do you think the NHS gets its funding from? Yahoo yahoo?  I bought my first flat 6 years ago and I have only lived here 9 years and if you care to know I was earning only £18,000 back then. You earn over £50,000 and you are complaining.

Have you ever heard of cut your coat according to your size. Tell your wife to get off her sorry behind and help supplement the family income. I earn susbstantially less than £50,000 and I am married to a woman who works as well and we will not swap the UK for anywhere else. I will not go into details but due to sensible management (we do spalsh out too afterall life is for the living i.e. designer clothes and 2 holidays a year) we have good equity in 2 properties, 1 of which pays for itself and gives a profit of £250 monthly, Substantial savings, land in Nigeria and 2 cars one of which doesnt require the MOT you dread so much. So next time before you post m.u.m.u topics like this, engage your brain and count your blessings.

I can only guess you did not see the program on the BBC a few weeks ago which showed how migrants try to get into this country through the desert. Watch it on iPlayer so you can have a reality check. Bless
Travel / Re: Is The Uk Worth Staying In Anymore Or Should One Consider Moving Back To Nigeria by ElRazur: 2:29pm On Jun 24, 2011
jay bee:

Fixed  grin grin grin grin grin


Why you dey spoil my fun naa grin
Travel / Re: Is The Uk Worth Staying In Anymore Or Should One Consider Moving Back To Nigeria by ElRazur: 2:25pm On Jun 24, 2011
goodbobo:

@ElRazur . I said average graduate with high paying jobs . Omo,  if building houses and driving nice cars is not doing well, what then is doing well?

I know exactly what you said. I am just wondering what your definition of an "average graduate" is.  Also, how many "average graduate" get a "high paying job" in Nigeria?  Also what will be your explanation of a "high paying job"?




My point be say, building house or having many material stuff do not necessarily equates to "doing fine".  Here in the UK, I know people who have remortgage their house just to drive a ferrari. Now, for those watching from the outside, that person must be doing fine? I swear you no funny rara.

At certain point in life, we have certain priorities, just remember that sir.

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Travel / Re: Is The Uk Worth Staying In Anymore Or Should One Consider Moving Back To Nigeria by ElRazur: 2:10pm On Jun 24, 2011
goodbobo:

The truth is an average graduate that works in high paying jobs in Nigeria are doing far far better that those in the UK . U see alot of them talking about investing in other forms of businesses and alot of them own their own house or are building one .They pay little in taxes and u see them drive very nice cars .


What is an average graduate?

So driving a nice car and building houses are the definition of doing fine?

shocked

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Celebrities / Re: Wizkid And Skales Were Denied American Visas In Nigeria by ElRazur: 1:39pm On Jun 24, 2011
MRbrownJAY:

yep thats the second time Whizkid did that, it says a lot about his management team. DEFINITELY UNPROFESSIONAL!!!!!!! (if the story is true)

WHY DO THEY WAIT SO LATE TO DO THESE THINGS ANYWAY?!




This is naija. . . (That is your answer) grin
Travel / Re: Is The Uk Worth Staying In Anymore Or Should One Consider Moving Back To Nigeria by ElRazur: 1:20pm On Jun 24, 2011
Can I just point a few things out.



pelezico:



Now, well to do people that i know have relocated to Nigeria because they are quite fed up with UK life.  The major issue here is tax and your right to earn a decent salary that one can save without fear of the Government trying to re-tax it.  The tax system here is quite socialistic in design and what i mean is is that you work simply to keep the "state" alive and receive nothing in return.  Here in the UK you really do not own anything out right.  For instance your property belongs to the bank if you have yet to pay off the mortgage and even then the land which the house sits on is owned by the Queen (hence how they were able to seize land from people to host the Olympics).  In truth they can seize anybody's land and the only reason why they do not is because of public face.  Its a hard pill to swallow but true.

I think you are missing a few things here.  While I see your frustration and the point you are trying to make, you should see things for what they are at times.

If you earn a decent salary, there's really nothing stopping you from enjoying yourself here. Have you considered moving outside of London and living in less expensive place?

As per your point on mortgages, that's the whole point of buying a house! Technically, the house isn't your until you finish paying for it. Again, if you earn enough like you said, I really do not see the problem. Mortgage here can range from 25years - 30 years average. If you are paying your bill on time, then no one will come and knock on your door.

As per the land, I think you'll find that the land belong to the state, while some things like the Swan we see at parks etc is technically the Queen's property. It is their law, it is their land, it is their tradition. I really do not see the big deal.

Also it may be worth adding that lands here aren't sold  outright they way they are in naija. They are more or less leased for say 25/50/75/100years. While you may not agree with the system, it does appear to work.

You have nothing to worry about if you pay your bill on time. smiley

Your car is not yours since without MOT you cannot drive your car on the roads and are in danger of having it seized by the bailiffs.  Car insurance  increased fro no good reason by 30% at least and is set to increase again by 30% by the end of this year.   Again for no good reason.

VAT increased from 17 to 20 %.  Fuel at 1.38 per litre.  Council tax will increase and banks have increased the interest rate on home owners by +3.5%above the  base rate.

I think you are getting your facts twisted here. If you buy a car and not owe no penny on it, it is yours. However, to use it on a public road that is funded by tax payers money, you need to have a MOT (To those who may not understand what MOT is, it is just a test to make sure a car is road worthy, the emission is within acceptable range etc.)

MOT is a legal requirement. It is the law of the land. The other way round it, is off course to jump on the public transport.

Car insurance increase every year, regardless of making a claim or not. The increase is usually linked with inflation and the amount of overall pay out made to drivers the previous year or something. While I agree that insurance could be cheaper, I think by shopping around you should get a good deal.

Case in point, I paid 400pounds for my car insurance last year and during my renewal this year, I was quoted 450. After calling up my insurance, they readjusted the price and it has a mere increment of 19pounds. You see, just buy shopping around and haggling, I got a good price.


As per the Council tax, you need to remember that there is a global recession, and as such there will be cuts everywhere. Local council aren't getting enough money and since it cost them money to give us local services like bin collection, etc it is just normal that some of these prices will be passed to us in form of increment.  

Almost every road in London has parking restrictions and you end up having to pay £110 if you float the parking rule.  If you do not pay the bailiffs are sent in to seize your property. The bill can escalate to 1000s of pounds.  There are many cases where the council will hand parking tickets  to drivers unlawfully just to rake in more cash.

London is a small city. Parking restrictions will therefore be in place. It is not much of a science to be honest. Again, since you appear to be worried have you considered using public transport?

I cycle to work on sunny days and I use the train to go to work, even though I drive. You see, it is just all about planning. If i drive to work, then I'll be face with congestion charge fee, parking space fee and no rest of mind. That's too much so i just ride my bike or use the trains.   .   . far easier and less stressful.

The educational system here is a joke. FULLSTOP.

Education system is subjective. Again, have you consider sending your kids to a private school?  I agree that some schools are rubbish and some aren't desirable. HOwever to label the whole education system as a joke is an unfair description.



Is Nigeria a better option if you have a plan.  I have prayed about this and i know God is saying to stay put for know

Has anyone got any suggestions.


This is the million dollar question and a decision only you will have to make. As my people say, "na you sabi where shoe dey pain you for feet."


I like the fact that I have constant power supply here, I can break my neck and won't have to pay a penny to any doctor to fix me up, I have peace of mind, I have my close family members here, I have my woman here, I have my things in life that mean the most to me here and I feel like I am achieving a lot here.

Again, these are just my own views and may not work for you.


As per suggestion, have you considered going to live in naija for three months or more to try and get a feel of how things will be like?

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Dating And Meet-up Zone / Re: 3rd Annual UK "BBQOMGWTF Come and chop enjoyment" Summer Meet up! by ElRazur: 7:41am On Jun 24, 2011
nike4luv:

any confirmed venues guys?

Please indicate your interest.

Venue will be confirmed via email. Nothing will be mentioned on the forum.
Dating And Meet-up Zone / Re: 3rd Annual UK "BBQOMGWTF Come and chop enjoyment" Summer Meet up! by ElRazur: 8:46am On Jun 23, 2011
List updated


FollyPImpI (Confirmed)

R231 (Confirmed)

Lalaboi (Confirmed)

Goldieluks (Interested)

Odunnu

IdowuOgbo (Confirmed)

LadyT (Please confirm your interest)

Blacksta (Confirmed)

Snowdrop (Interested)

TeeBoySeven (Please confirm your interest)

Ismael86 (Interested)

Elowa (Interested)

Pweety4me (Interested)

Nana (Confirmed)

Debosky (Confirmed)

Kandikane (Interested)

Tubabie (Confirmed)







snowdrops:

you guys are not serious; still no date or venue. angry


Relax, summer is just getting started.

We need people first before we can set a date etc. Also, all of these will be done in private.



tubabie:

What Summer meet up is happening without moi? I see!! tongue

Added.







It is a shame that something very simple as "Confirm your interest" is somehow turned into "you have beef with me" and an excuse for immature minds to try and have a go at people.

Organising this type of event takes time, planning, effort etc. and every year we have to deal with all sort of unreasonable people who are nothing but time-wasters. Such people, or anyone perceived as such won't be granted any further attention.

Look, it is very simple, if you have problem with how we are trying to put this event together and it ain't working for you, please feel free to let us know in a civil manner. However, if you cannot be mature enough to be civil, may I suggest you set up your own BBQ meet-up and do it as you see fit.
Dating And Meet-up Zone / Re: 3rd Annual UK "BBQOMGWTF Come and chop enjoyment" Summer Meet up! by ElRazur: 6:30pm On Jun 21, 2011
List updated


FollyPImpI (Confirmed)

R231 (Confirmed)

Lalaboi (Confirmed)

Goldieluks (Interested)

Odunnu

IdowuOgbo (Confirmed)

LadyT (Please confirm your interest)

Blacksta (Confirmed)

Snowdrop (Interested)

TeeBoySeven (Please confirm your interest)

Ismael86 (Interested)

Elowa (Interested)

Pweety4me (Interested)

Nana (Confirmed)

Debosky (Confirmed)

Kandikane (Interested)





nana:

Mr El,pls edit mine and put confirmed. Thanks

Done.


IdowuOgbo

All we need is enough people, date, time and place is just a matter of members deciding, but first make we get there.
Music/Radio / Re: Shocking: Amy Winehouse Performing On Drugs. by ElRazur: 7:23am On Jun 21, 2011
Oh random fact, I believe the who plays the keyboard for Winehouse - and essentially resposible for shaping her type of sound is a Nigerian. grin (Why am I mentioning this? I don't know lol)

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