Livebygrace:

Please, can I have the test sent to mail tomorrow?
busuyem@gmail.com
Let me try my luck!
Kindly hint me when sent
Thanks.

Not a problem. Will do.

asalimpo:

i wasnt being emotional. I had my logical mind at the helm. Google receives tens of thousands of resumes a day. It would b impractical for them to screen by portfolios. Cases like that cannot b used to justify the statemnts you made about portfolios not carrying weight with companies. Years of reading about how programmers got their foot in d door time nd time over point to d importance of the portfolio. And how ppl without degrees should hav side projects they work on to hone their skills. The friend you mentioned was actually a testamnt to the importnce of a portfolio- it fished him out. Proved him to b phoney. It's hard to lie convincingly about a signifcnt coding project. Obviously, good companies dont rely on portfolios alone- theyre whiteboards,phone screens etc.

We are starting to get somewhere. I had promised to not to banter words with anybody but I will keep replying you because I like your line or logic and sense of reasoning. It is mature enough to make me continue the conversation. Don't let it get into your head!
Anyway, it is rather unfortunate that we are on different sides of the fence. A typical "recruiting" process takes time and resources; as you have mentioned Google as a case study. But that is not why we are not focusing on your portfolios. Every HR team has their internal process for situations like these. Fortunately for us, we prefer the live challenge and I kid you not when I said, it was heavily borrowed from top global IT firms. We did our research well. Allow me to reiterate that that we are not biased towards tertiary education in; so to speak, else, I would have said that from the onset. So a self-taught coder/programmer could actually hone his skills anyhow he chooses to, we are not concerned about that. Finally, it is quite a pity for some, that we DO NOT REPLY ON PORTFOLIOS at all; at least not in the very beginning. Like you said, they are whiteboards, phone screens, etc

cchuk:


Please is the position still open, I'm willing to take the online test. Is the test on hackerank or codility?

Here's my email: covenantchukwudi@gmail.com

We got one today from this board.
Still open for a few more.

asalimpo:

you patently wrong about many things you r saying here. Throwing words around like regulated nd top it companies doesnt hide ur biase. For many self taught devs or unschooled devs, the portfolio is the primary consideration that got them an interview/job. Many devs also dislike coding during an interview and some consider publishing code to public repositories as unpaid work. Employers that dont consider portfolios are actually not worth working for. How can you tell how a coder thinks other than reviewng his past works? Google how programmers got jobs and you'll see time nd time that portfolios were tipping factors.

The very moment you mentioned "bias"; I knew you were being emotional about it.
Go through my statements again without being emotional about it. And I can list a handful of fortune 500 companies
that want live action, at least, before seeing what your port looks like. Would you say it's not worth working for any member from the
fortune 500?

Let me repeat myself using a programmer I had come in contact with as a case study; even from Nairaland. He had showed me a lovely portfolio. Not super great, not bad too. So I had asked him to explain why he wrote "this like this instead of that" and "that like that, instead of this"
and eventually found out, it was a co-development between him and a couple of friends as a university project. Imagine that.
He handled the front end, while some others handled the back end. But he came out as a full stack developer.
When he was asked to explain some cases from the back end, the truth was revealed.
All this unnecessary fuss would have been prevented in a real-live coding challenge. Nobody is going to ask you to implement the
Fibonacci sequence in a coding challenge. Rather, it's a logical test and it would tell us how a coder thinks because we can see him in real life
coding under "pressure", if you put it that way.
Besides, there are many coders who attend hackathons, as I said earlier. What would you make of that?
It so sad to see that majority of the coders on Nairaland are all talk and zero action, and I am not taking that back.
And I do not care if you are self-taught or Harvard-taught. Just defend your skills in real-time; while the HR team is watching.
How hard could that be?

p.s.: What is the essence of going through a lovely port and you are invited to the office. Believe me, we will NEVER do any on-boarding process
until a code editor is opened and the PC is placed in front of you. At least show us something right here, right now. So we are back to square one. It's a waste for resources and time for the HR department. I would really love to see you submit your amazing portfolio to Google and
hope you get hired.

Dear senior developer with an "amazing" portfolio; you have still not dropped an email to beat or circumvent our coding challenge.
You had bragged you could beat it by one way of opening another tab. We invited you to a 10-line challenge publicly.
Will it suffice to say you are scared to be disgraced on a public forum?
Did you not see that you have been offered the role of 'Lead Developer' should you beat the system in any way you deem fit?
At least by doing so, you would have discovered a bug in the system; or better still, a hack.
And we'd be forever grateful and compensate in cash or kind.
So what would it be?
Are you willing to prove your salt's worth?

teshiam:


You are absolutely correct man. I am sure about Alphabet and Facebook employment, they do a lot of hackathons and coding challenges, bug fixing (debugging) and many more. It was even adapted in the film about facebook (the social network) where they had to code while drunk to be employed. This companies love gifted coders who have a knack for solving problems, that's why many of their employees end up building multimillion and billion dollar start ups like quora, e.t.c.

Preach, brother, preach.
I am perplexed at why someone who claims to have a gigantic portfolio will be scared of doing a live coding challenge.
What does it tell you, brother? That something is fishy!

dometome:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Which employer or company does that? Why do all these when you simply need to call the prospective employees to your office and interview them in person? Not even Upwork.com does it. BTW, if I use two different browsers I can beat your system and cheat. People Cheat even on Upwork. Those tests are a waste of time. Portfolios are what real employer look for, not ohhhh I can write a little javascript calculator, or I can write a little javascript todo app. Or even what is the difference between querySelector()and querySelectorAll()? No! Your portfolios show your real ability.

I will not condescend so low to banter words with you. Your responses show that you're not really exposed to international standards in the IT world. Your knowledge is limited to the local Nigerian settings. I will refer you to StackOverflowJobs and GlobalSkillsHub. Take time to visit them, setup a profile, and apply for an interview. Come back here and tell us if they setup a real-time interview or asked for a portfolio. I will also like you to check the popular VanHack job postings. Also come back and tell us if they ask for a portfolio or if they request an online interview. Also please check HackerRank too. You can also check world-leading integration company, Zapier. Come back and tell us if they asked for your portfolio or called your phone number or called you to their office. Or if they asked you to pass the online assessment first.
None of these leading companies will check your portfolio without you passing the online assessment first. And that is exactly the same footstep in which we tread.

How about the certification exams for scripting and framework languages? Did you send them your portfolio or visit their offices to get certified.
It is only in Nigeria, people want to see your portfolio. That is not how it done in countries where the IT industry is regulated.
First, you apply for a job, with your resume. If your resume is interesting, we invite you to an online coding challenge. If you pass, and are selected among others who passed, you will be invited for a phone call and from there we do the onboarding or not, depending on how the phone calls go. You might still be interviewed via the phone or simply asked to do a small demo project.
This is the pattern, the same pattern the global companies I listed above use till date. Even FaceBook and Google.
Even Nairaland does it's own coding challenge. Have you ever attended a Hackathon? Do they look at your portfolio?
How about Andela (Africa's #1 IT resource)? Do they ask for a portfolio? Your portfolio don't mean sh.it if you cannot pass a coding challenge.
And it is quack developers like you, with over-bloated and exaggerated portfolios, that took years to build, would be scared of facing a simple 10-line coding challenge. You would never pass the audition of any Hackathon glaringly.


Finally, the dance floor is open so to speak. There is no need to waste too much effort. Kindly drop your email address, or create any one. I will send you a link to the test as I have sent to others. You are welcome to cheat. I will upload your results here publicly for all to see. If you can pass via cheating, which we all here, will be privileged to see, I guarantee you will be hired as the Lead Developer; without further ado.


Prove yourself, remember; cheating is allowed. Until then, please show the decency of making meaningful comments. And read a little more, some more knowledge will expose you beyond your "local variable scope"; and stop displaying sheer folly on the thread.

Reminder resent!

Subject: Filtered Interview Invitation for Fullstack Developer

Junk folder; perhaps!

bladeshakers:


Send me an email at bladeshakers@gmail.com

You were even recommended to me by another Nairalander. I had contacted you; sent you the link
and you disappeared into thin air. Even without a word, you could have at least declined.

Let me reiterate that I was contacted by over 10 users from here; and only 1 had the courage to face it head-on.
And he actually explained where he got stuck, honestly and sincerely.

The rest developed cold feet when they got the invite. And guess what, they had very amazing portfolios; belonging to the class of
senior engineers with about 10years plus experience.

So we don't do portfolios, we assess in real life and via live video/phone calls. Thank you.

dometome:
because it is a waste of time, and cheating at it is very easy that only quacks have the time for it. Just see the portfolio and hire him or her. Portfolios show the ACTUAL experience.

You are wrong; very wrong. Those are words from a "quack developer"; junior at best. A portfolio on the other hand can be a joint effort between 2 to as much as 100 programmers.
Besides, you cannot cheat at this assessment. If you think you can cheat, why not drop your email and give it a shot.
It is a realtime assessment, your browser will be monitored for tab changes (just in case, you wish to visit Google)
and your webcam will be turned on while the assessment is in progress. So we will actually watch and hear you do it in real life.
Tell me how you wish to cheat at that. As a matter of fact, we use the same assessment that has been regulated for hiring candidates remotely the world over.

So you are willing to try?

pseudonomer:


Where is the link to the online assessment. The programmer has to program in Php?

I do Java, Java EE, Java Spring and Angular

You are invited via email.
While we actually want a PHP/Laravel specialist, if you can prove why we should do otherwise,
we might listen.

cocoon
BOLAJIAJANI

Hi there, you might have to resend the PMs
Unfortunately, I did not receive the original one.

I have received applications from a handful but it is rather sad, that nobody is willing to take the online assessment (test).
Some would rather want to drop samples of jobs done in times past; which is not a true reflection of a developer's ability;
since such jobs might have been a collaborative effort.
Thus, we require applicants to take the online assessment in real-time.
Thank you.

Sent you an email too.

I have sent an email to all of you.

Thank you and hope to see you onboard.

Are you a full stack developer conversant with PHP, Laravel and any flavors (or frameworks) of Javascript?
Can you do "clean" software integration?
Drop your Whatsapp digits and you will be contacted;
Or your email address if your prefer.

p.s.: You must be really good at what you do because you will be working with foreign developers.
If you are good, you will be assigned to multiple projects upon completion of a previous one.

Remuneration: $15 per hour per project.

Thank you.