to javalord,tundebabzee cactus,and all of you that contributed to envoo1 question,kudos to you all.infact my bro envoo1 spoke for most of us,personally i did MCSE in niit 2 years ago,n i cant put those knowledge in use without programming,plz i nd you guys to update me with the neccessary e-books like you guys did for envoo1.i shall be grateful,my email bright_smart@yahoo.com,i have the willing drive n i believe i will excel.tnx ya,all