I have given the constitution of USA on religion, the historical background, case law and the principles on which US was founded. Yet you are claiming that the US constitution is a trash. why don't you write a new one for them?

can you provide proof to support all your assertions on what principles US was born and founded.

where is your fact that US is a christian country?

I think it is you that need to go, read, and understand the history of  US very well.
how hard is US constitution, History for you to understand?       


NOT THE END OF STORY WITHOUT YOUR FACT

To Idinrete :

On a more serious note :

1. The founding fathers of America did not want America to have church influence its policy directly like the Church of England (Anglican/Episcopalian) did to England. However, they also believe that each person's worldview based on their faith (religion) would influence the policy that person makes.

Democratically, majority rule (and there are laws to protect minority views - freedom of speech) and 86% of Americans presently call themselves
Christians (these classification is very diverse).

So to COUNTER WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ARGUING ABOUT directly, America is not proclaimed a  Christian nation, like Saudi Arabia is proclaimed an Islamic country, but it has been ruled by Christians with Judeo-Christian values  . hence you can see why I am calling USA a christian country. .

And I'm breathing easier than a sleeping baby, the only one with his pant in bunches is Mr Focused.

I never knew you have your pants in bunches gay DIOS   

Thanks Nwando for contributing to this post.

Islamic religion is a cult as far as I am concerned. Read what I have written below and tell me what do you think of this Ishmaelite religion :

[b]KORAN ON JEWS AND CHRISTIANS
(Surah 5:51) do not take the Jews and Christians as friends.

Bukhari (52:177) - "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew is hiding say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

TERRORISM
Surah (8:12) - "Allah will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Sura (9:14) - "Fight the disbelievers, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, "
Sura (9:5) - kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, leave them only if they repent and pray and give alms

Abuse a muslim, pay with your life
Surah (2:191-193) - kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, and drive them out of the places where they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of disbelievers, so fight them until persecution is no more, and religion of Allah reigns supreme.

All Muslims urged to fight the Unbelievers
Surah (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward[/b]

To Dios or whatever you call yourself or tag yourself,

Let me correct the following misgiving you had.

First of all, Christianity is not a religion but a personal encounter with God.

I am not brainwashed, I am talking based on facts.

You claim to know history but you have just proved that you are the most stupid beast in the whole universe. You have just proved that you are the greatest fool on this planet earth. You have just proved that your ignorance is beyond belief. You are a completely stupid.

Why are you always supporting Idinrete? Let Idinrete talk for himself , Okay ? Unless if you are saying you have two profiles, dios and Idinrete

Now that me and you have traded insults, could I tell you not to respond to my post again ? If you carry on responding, there is going to a cyber war between me and you, and the war will be worst than Israeli hezbollah war. You Idiot !

Dios or whatever you label yourself :

Why are you laughing

Bro, I want intelligent discussion okay ? If you know you have nothing intelligent to add please stay away, don't respond.

To Idinrete :

Well thanks for responding. What you lifted or copied does not in anyway change the fact that USA is a Christian country. Go, read and understand the history very well and understand the principles, which the country was born and founded.

The only reason why I probably think you are on the defensive, could be because you are a muslim yourself or you are just showing your sympathy towards them. We just have to face facts.

What you have copied and pasted is a thrash and it does not change the fact that USA is a christian country. End of story.

All I want to say here is : These fanatism amongst Nigerians in the name of Religion must stop.

Recently there is a clamour by the controversial Libyan head of state that Africans should unite, do you think that these unification would work ?

Why do Africans or many Africans tend to copy others hook line and sinker without first of all knowing if what works for Europeans may or may not work for Africans ?

African leaders want to copy the Europeans by fusing all African countries into one nation, with one army, one currency and free movement of people and goods and with no international borders, without first of all studying how the union came to be in Europe. Europe has different cultures, worldviews, histories, political systems and institutions from that of the Africa. Something that worked for Europeans might not necessarily work for Africans. Moreover Europeans have a well developed telecommunication sectors, infrastructures, economic and political systems that stood the test of time. European countries did not evolve artificially like those in Africa.


Has anybody studied the problems the Europeans are going through because of the union?

The advanced European countries are regretting the unification in that with the open borders, the citizens of the poorer eastern European nations that belong to the union are flocking to the advanced western ones for jobs and “good life”, putting enormous pressure on the social amenities and the welfare system while bringing along with them different cultures and values, languages and behaviours with the attendant problems. The arrivees from the eastern European countries take away jobs from the host countries´ citizens by doing them at a fraction of the normal pay. Companies are there to make profits and will hire the cheap labour coming out from the once socialist countries that joined the European Union. Also, so many companies are now re-locating to the eastern European countries because of the cheap labour there, taking along with them jobs meant for the citizens of the advanced western European countries.


The European Union put the Turkish entry into the union on hold because of religious differences. Turkey is the only European nation that has Islam as the state religion and the other European nations are afraid of admitting Turkey because of the fear that the Moslems will unleash waves of terror across the whole continent if they have free movement through and fro the union. The European Union put further enlargement on hold; because, what they envisaged or bargained for in the first instance is not what they are getting. They are afraid that admitting more poor eastern European countries will aggravate already bad situation. So, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey etc must wait longer, because, if they are admitted now, it will have catastrophic effects on the economy and psyche of the more developed and rich European countries.


There is now an attempt by the European Union to negotiate the conditions under which to admit new countries and one of such conditions will be imposing visa restrictions on the new entrants so that their citizens won’t rush to the richer European countries to work below minimum wage. Germany and Britain are complaining because of the Polish invasion of their countries. Polish and Russian people are every where in London and many German cities, there are also the Czechs, Slovaks etc. Have the African leaders addressed this issue?


Will African unification ever work considering the huge differences in tribes, religious beliefs, and race ?

Why can't African leaders think of putting their nations in order and work hard to improve the lives of their respective citizens ?,  

Why are they proposing a disaster that would never work or sell to the most illiterate person in Africa?.    Instead of African leaders putting the different ethnic, religious, cultural groups in their different countries to unity so that they will work together towards the development of their respective nations, they are dreaming impossible dreams that might only afford them the opportunity of embezzling their countries fund on the pretext of working for the unification of Africa.


Due to the obvious fact that almost all the African countries are of artificial creations (people that had nothing in common hitherto were joined together by the colonial masters), since independence, each is at war within itself; whereby one ethnic group tries to dominate to the chagrin of the others and this leads to belligerency within African nations as ethnic groups take to bellicose measures in fighting for their rights making almost all African nations pugnacious in nature.


In the late 1980s, the political leaders of Senegal and Gambia created a false impression of their abilities to make the impossible work by fusing together and forming a country called Senegambia. This didn’t last two years before it came crumbling down like a pack of cards, because, each side was suspicious of the other.
Why can’t the African leaders learn from such experience?


Why are they clamouring for the unification of African states ?

Is the haste or manner by which this unification is being propelled a ploy to mask the failure of almost all the African leaders in providing solutions to the problems they are encountering in running their respective nations and their inability to improve the lives of their citizens ?.

Let us take Nigeria as an example: The Fulanis came down from North Africa hundreds of years ago and settled in northern part of Nigeria and have been lording it over all of us politically since then. There are clamouring for greater autonomy because we were lumped up together by the Brits upon that we had nothing in common hitherto the amalgamation of 1914.


Nigeria as a country is having ethnic, religious and cultural strife. Imagine what will happen when fifty three African countries with different ethnic backgrounds, religious beliefs, different cultural values, languages and worldviews join together in the name of imitating the Europeans who are also not finding their own union funny upon that they are well advanced than the Africans?

What is wrong with the Northern leaders of our country ? 

[b]The Sultan of Sokoto, a Fulani, made a careless statement capable of causing religious disharmony between the religious divide in the country. The Sultan had during a meeting of Northern emirs at the Arewa House in Kaduna expressed concern over the increasing missionary activities in the country and urged the Jama’atu Nasril Islam (JNI) to take steps to counter the development. The Emir should have known better. It is ugly that such remark could come from a highly placed individual like him. The Emir made a mess of the efforts of past and present administrations to forge inter-religious tolerance between Muslims and Christians. The statement debased his position. The Emir who was a Colonel in the Army before he came to the throne due to the death of his senior brother last year through plane crash should have cautioned his subjects against religious intolerance rather than making such a pathetic comment. When people that supposed to be preaching ethnic and religious harmony and understanding start preaching ethnic and religious hatred and animosity, there bound to be tension and anarchy; the Emir’s comment was preposterous. That’s Nigeria for you. [/b]

The call for closer tie between the African nations has been there since the formation of the OAU. That was the dreams of the Independent African founding fathers like Nkrumah, Azikiwe and others.


There is plethora of obstacles to its attainment. Look at Sudan where the attempt to unite Arabs and Black Africans within one state has caused a bitter race war that has lasted more than 50 years. The rest of Black Africa has much to learn from Sudan. The question is why are Black Africans not learning from Sudan's case ?

Sudan has been an experiment in Afro-Arab unification and it is a failure, that experience should put the final nail on the coffin of the African unification project. Can’t anybody see that there is ethnic cleansing going on in Sudan? I join in the call for the United Nations to intervene in the Dafur crisis. Genocide is going on there; the UN must intervene on behalf of over two million people who have been displaced over there.

It is also a shame on black muslims who refuse to condemn the genocide because they want to show solidarity to the Arabs who saw Africans as an inferior creation or who saw Black Africans as dirts.

The proposed unification raised more questions than it answered.


How do we know who an African is?

How do we define the real African Identity ?

Do Arabs in North Africa have more ties and affinity with Black Africans or with people of their colour of Arabia lands in mid and Far East?

Arabs have contempt for Blacks; there is a big chasm between Pan-Arabism and Pan-Africanism. The Arabs are all out to impose Islam on Africans and to Arabnise all of Black Africa.


What will be the major religion? Will Muslims accept to be ruled by non-Muslims?

Has anybody addressed the issue of tyranny, tribalism, mutual distrust and corruption and how they can be stopped?

It will be difficult to unite a tribal fragmented continent when the leaders of the fifty three countries of Africa are finding it impossible to unite their own people. Unity and peace will be elusive, because, every country will have its national interest and agenda to propagate.

The Arabs for intent and purposes still dream about spreading their Islamic culture all over Africa even by force through the sword. A clear example is what is going on right now in Sudan. The Arabs still see the real black Africans as being inferior. So how can you be in the same country with them?

Another issue is that of the military! Who will lead it and from which country?

People should stop creating problems for themselves. Every African country has overwhelming economic, political, cultural and social problems. Let the leaders tackle their respective national problems before create a monster that will devour them all.

There is no way Africans will entrust the task of fashioning out the best way to exist in a single country to a bunch of miscreants and mad men that called themselves leaders like Ghadafi, Mugabe, Kabila etc.


Ghadafi was quoted recently as saying that “Africa must unite or die”. This is a bark of a mad dog. Ghadafi believes in the inferiority of the black Africans. He insulted and provoked Nigeria so many times in words and actions. He visited Nigeria in the mid 1990s with only female security personnel numbering more than two hundred and armed to the teeth. When asked why only women security personnel? He answered that “Nigeria is a big for nothing country” as there is no need to bring his male security personnel.

In 1990s, Ghadafi sent one of his submarines into Nigerian territorial waters (infact it is alleged that the sub came under upto Marina Lagos´ sea front) without permission and Nigerian Navy failed to detect this flagrant violation of our territorial integrity because our Navy got no submarine or the capability to detect underwater invasion (why can’t Nigeria Navy acquire at least one submarine?). The Libyan submarine stayed days in our waters and left and as it got to the international waters, the submarine crew radioed the Nigerian Navy thanking Nigeria for harbouring them without permission and without detection. This is Ghadafi preaching for unification now. Does he have an ulterior motive ?.

The big question is do Nigeria and infact Africa in general need the proposed United States of Africa..

The big question is : Will United States of Africa  work ? ( a funny amalgam of Native Africans(blacks), Arabs (people who invaded Africans continent and occupied it by force) and the whites (people who invaded African continent and occupy it force because of African natural resources) ).

Please lets discuss or lets engage in dialogue ?

Seun, you can find it in yesterday's punch (15/10/2007)

To Dios :

It is very clear you cannot discuss things intelligently. It is very clear you do not have a proper home training. I did not insult you, why are you raining insult on me . The only mistake I made in my previous response was calling Europe a country. Obviously Europe is not a country but a continent.

You are the most nasty human being on earth. You and your entire generation are the dumbest person on earth.

I will appreciate if you don't respond to my post again.

I STILL INSIST ISLAM IS A SATANIC RELIGION. PERIOD.

To Idinrete :

Before responding to your post, I had to read what I have posted over and over again.

The only mistake I have made was referring to Europe as a country. Obviously Europe is not a country but a continent.

Idinrete, I want you to go and make your research very well, USA is founded on Christian principles and that makes it a christian country. Check out the whole continent of Europe as well, the countries in Europe are all founded on Christian principles.

I did not insult you in my post and I am surprise at your insulting response.

Now Idinrete or whatever you call yourself, if you know you cannot discuss things intelligently or argue logically without abusing me or insulting me or using all manner of dirty language on me. I will appreciate if you don't ever respond to my post.

You are the greatest thrash, because if you are not, you will respond intelligently.

I think insist that Islamic religion is a cult, where they practise all sorts of demonic activities. God have mercy !

[b]KORAN ON JEWS AND CHRISTIANS
(Surah 5:51) do not take the Jews and Christians as friends.

Bukhari (52:177) - "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew is hiding say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

TERRORISM
Surah (8:12) - "Allah will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Sura (9:14) - "Fight the disbelievers, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, "
Sura (9:5) - kill the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, leave them only if they repent and pray and give alms

Abuse a muslim, pay with your life
Surah (2:191-193) - kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, and drive them out of the places where they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of disbelievers, so fight them until persecution is no more, and religion of Allah reigns supreme.

All Muslims urged to fight the Unbelievers
Surah (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward[/b]

So Rahman what do think about this ? Is Islamic religion not a satanic religion ? God have mercy

To Idinrete :

Get your facts right, USA AND EUROPE is a Christian country

Even Middle East is not a muslim country after all, because we do have great Christians in a country like Iran and Iraq before this satanic Islamic revolution. Christianity have been existing in Africa before our fore father went into Idolatry and before these satanic Islamic people brought their religion.

I want to see an end to all these killings by these Northern muslims. I think they should abolish this Sharia law and enforce a proper law that respect human right to free speech and sanctity of human life.

Enough is enough.

First to Mr coco :

You said :

" In every religion there are people who decide to interpret their god and his so call words the way they see fit it does not make it right."

Answer : Islamic religion supports violence. In the latter part of Sura, there is a verse which says that : Muslims should fight against people of the scripture (thats is Christian) until they are subdue and until they come to recognise Islam as the only true religion and recognise their satanic Mohammed.

Cathlics take it to the extreme by saying unless yr husband or wife are dead you can not marry again what i want to know is god who is so all knowing, he can see the future shouldn,t he have seen this would be a problem in modern times?

Answer : Monogamy is the uniform teaching of the bible. No man or woman have any right to marry another wife or husband while the spouse is alive. Anyone who does that is committing adultery. Whether they are catholics or which ever denomination they belong to, monogamy is the uniform teaching of the bible. The only case where you can marry, is when the spouse is dead. So what God have joined together , let no man put asunder.
Islamic religion however permits polygamy and polyandry. hmmm??

seventh day adventist choose to obey the sabeth to the full they do not spent money sun down friday to sun down saturday.

Well I don't know about that. Certainly I cannot comment.

Islam is beautiful and peaceful, it is not about what people choose to do. Life is not ours to take however only Allah can judge those who choose to do this.

If you say, Islam is beautiful, why is that whenever anybody criticises Islamic religion, the next thing they do is kill the person or vandalise their property or resort to all form of violence. Islam actually suppport violence. Islamic religion is a satanic religion. Violence is supported in your Quran. It is there written boldy in your Sura 9:5. If you (muslims) believe in God like you claim, which I doubt, why not let God judge anybody who blaspheme his name. Do you have to resort to violence?. This is the first time things like this is happening in Nigeria and I don't think it will be last either.
Look at what happened because of a cartoon about Mohammed in Demark and Muslim Northerner use that as an excuse to kill so many people and burn as many houses as they can lay their houses upon.


Can we Africans, irrespective of religious beliefs love one another and stop this killings. Why are my black brothers and sisters so defensive about all these Arabs who came into the African continent to take blacks as slaves and they are one of the greatest racist??

Take a look at this so called Islamic religion and what it has done to the African continent.

First, this Satanic Arab butchers came to Northern Africa, conquer the continent, kills all the black people, occupy their land, turn it to an Arabic land, they also force others to accept this satanic religion and then they spread to other parts of Africa.

Otherwise, why would someone in his right frame of mind, want to practise Sharia law and they want people in the Southern part of Nigeria to work and pay tax which the federal government, will give to their demonic governors as budget.

Enough is enough, we have to eradicate this satanic religion from the African continent, if we really want peace to reign, and if we want to progress and if we want God to bless the continent.

They claim to worshiping god and they practise all sorts of witchcraft including worshipping moon and using their so called quran for all manner of demonic purposes.

They also carry out all manner of demonic sacrifices.

Europe, and USA are not muslims countries and yet they permitted muslims migrants to carry out their religion, and build mosque but if you dare preach or if you are caught with a bible in any muslim countries, you will be tortured and infact you must be lucky to be alive.

I don't think muslims and christians are worshipping the same God.

There is a lot of evil and satanic things about this so called Islam, which is causing them to be violent and murderous.

We need a lot of Christians who will evangelise to these demonic muslims in the northern part of Nigeria so that they can repent, because these so called muslims are pulling Nigeria backward.  Human life does not matter to them any more.

They claim islamic religion talks about peace but there is a verse in the quran that tells them to fight against non muslims. These verse is what the so called fundamentalist muslims use as an excuse to carry out suicide bombings.

Honestly everything about Islamic religion is demonic.

God have mercy.

Why is that Northern Nigeria muslims have a disguisting habit of attacking Southern Nigerian Christians ?

Why are they so blood thirsty ? 

What do you think of a religion that will tell its followers to kill non-muslims, as a pre-requisite to paradise?


What do you think of a religion where its followers worship moon and black stone ?

What is it about their religion that if you dare criticise their religion, immediately they will kill you or they will burn down churches and where christians live ?


Why do the Northern Nigeria Muslims wants to be like Arabs muslims? Knowing fully well that Arabs never liked black people and they never will ? Knowing fully well that if black muslim people come into the midst of arab muslims, they will be discriminated against.  Take a look at what is going on in Sudan ? The arabs cry of occupation in their lands whereas they are occupying parts of Africa. Take a look at  Sudan, Egypt and other parts of Africa where these people ocupied. They started slave trade in Africa


Why would the federal government in Nigeria allow some states in Nigeria to be practising Sharia law in a secular country, whereas countries like Turkey where they have a strong Islamic history even ban their women from putting on a veil in public offices ?


Why do we imitate things in a blind way in Nigeria ?


When are we going to see an end to this killings and religious intolerance in the Nothern part of Nigeria.



Why would the Northern muslims prefer going to learn Arabic than going to proper school ? Knowing fully well that Arabic language is not their mothers tongue.


Please lets discuss.

Islamic religion is a militant religion. Anyone should go and check their history.

Otherwise why would someone kills someone over a mere cartoon or kill someone over what he or she says ? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and there is democracy in Nigeria. Anybody is free to criticise muslims or their religion or even their satanic prophet without any fear.

The muslims or the so called people who practise Islamic religion do criticise Christians and the christians have not because of that kills any muslim for it.

I cannot understand why the government should even permit the practise of that demonic sharia law in a secular country like Nigeria in the first place.

Enough is enough. The government should make it a law that anyone found guilty of killing anybody for whatever reason should be brought to justice. I recommend the should kill them also.

I cannot understand a religion that have no respect for the sanctity of human life.

There is nothing anyone can tell me about this satanic Islamic religion that would convince me that it is a religion of peace.

The other time, it was a cartoon in Demark. What I cannot understand is what has a cartoon in Demark got to do with Nigeria for God sake.

It seems as if these Northern Nigeria muslims are blood thirsty human beings. When will Yar'Adua rise up to this challenge ?

The funny thing is that these Nothern Nigerian muslims wants to be like Arabs, but the Arabs HATE BLACK PEOPLE, WHETHER YOU ARE A MUSLIM OR NOT, IT DOESN'T MATTER. THE ARABS DON'T SEE YOU A BLACK PERSON AS A HUMAN BEING.

God have mercy !!!!!