@poster :

Followers of Osama bin Laden will do anything to look for error where there is none.

DISCLAIMER: bawomolo is not responsible for temper tantrums, broken keyboards and heart attacks.

GOD IS SATISFIED WITH HIS WORKS

And God saw everything that he had made, and behold it was very good (Gen. 1:31)

GOD IS DISATISFIED WITH HIS WORKS

And it repented the lord that he had made men on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart (Gen. 6:6)


GOD DWELLS IN CHOSEN TEMPLES

And the lord appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him: I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for a house of sacrifice, For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there forever; and mine eyes and my heart shall be there perpetually. (2 Chron. 7:12, 16.)

GOD DWELLS NOT IN TEMPLES

Howbeit the Most Hight dwelleth not in temples made with hands. (Acts 7:48.)


GOD DWELLS IN THE LIGHT

Dwelling in light which no man can approach unto (1 Tim 6:16.)

GOD DWELLS IN DARKNESS

The Lord said he would dwell in thick darkness . (1 Kings 8:12)
He made darkness his secret place. (Ps. 18:11.)
Clouds and darkness are round about him. (Ps. 97:2)

GOD IS SEEN AND HEARD

And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts. (Ex. 33:23.)
And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as man speaketh to his friend. (Ex. 33:11)
And the Lord called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid. (Gen. 3:9, 10.)
For I have seen God face to face , and my life is preserved.(Gen. 32:30.)
In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw, also, the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up. (Is. 6:1.)
Then went up mose and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they Saw the God of Israel, They saw God and did eat and drink. (ex. 24:9, 10, 11)

GOD IS INVISIBLE AND CANNOT BE HEARD

No man hath seen God at any time. (John. 1:18.)
Ye hath neither heard his voice, at any time, nor seen his shape. (John 5:37.)
And he said, Thou canst not see my face, for there shall no man see me and live. (Ex. 33:20)
Whom no man hath seen nor can see (1 Tim. 6:16.)


i would try to post some more daily to create discussion about the bible. anyway guys, don't call this a sens

Blood of Jesus

Homosexuals are not born that way.

so when did u choose to be heterosexual??

Homosexuality is as a result of satanic experimentation.

what's a satanic experimentation??

@bawomolo

I plead the blood of Jesus on your behalf.

Stop shagging men and stop dating men and go for deliverance.

If God loves all his children equally, why would he support the persecution of homosexuals that were born that way. poor translation of the bible from the original aramaic/greek/hebrew versions have led people to think homosexuality is condemed. how can a naturally occuring act be condemned if God was responsible for the creation??

there's no part in the bible were same-sex marriage is condemned. the bible only rightfully condemns sexual acts among men and little boys. the translation of the bible has distorted the truth.  the bible's comment about same-sex relations were inspired by cultural reasons and not by "God"

@poster :

Sin is sin. Sin came to the world through Adam and Eve as a result of their disobedience to God. Ever since sin came into the world, all sorts of things came along with it which includes homosexuality.

Homosexuals are not born that way. For every man, there is a woman. No man or woman is born an homosexual. Homosexuality is as a result of satanic experimentation and sin.  The bible condemns sex between two men and two women in the strongest possible terms. The word of God sees it as an abomination. Likewise, the bible condemns incest, beastiality, fornication, and adultery.

So please stop writing baseless things. So if you have been practising homosexuality, please repent and stop dating men so that God can forgive you

Ayinba 1:

Could I ask you: why do you M'uslim hate christian and Jews so much ? Why do you Q'uran command you to hate Christians and Jews and not take them as friends ?

All I know is that, unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. M'uhammed will not save you, because M'uhammed was not a prophet in the first place

You could have at least the decency to be truthful. You claimed your thread was fair but alas it is obvious now that all you want to do is discredit The Great Religion. The post from Olabowale explained in a decent sensible manner but you chose to ignore that and come up with all thes allegations against the Prophet of The Great Religion. You have no justification for these lies.

It will be better if you stop these and seek forgiveness, God is forgiving. If you persist, you have reserved for yourself a space in the Blazing fire. Once you die, you will understand but then no second chances.
Bismi Allahi alrrahmani alrraheemi

1. Alhakumu alttakathuru 2. Hatta zurtumu almaqabira 3. Kalla sawfa taAAlamoona 4. Thumma kalla sawfa taAAlamoona
5. Kalla law taAAlamoona AAilma alyaqeeni 6. Latarawunna aljaheema 7. Thumma latarawunnaha AAayna alyaqeeni
8. Thumma latus-alunna yawma-ithin AAani alnnaAAeemi

All the wordly gains will not stand you in stead on that day.

@Ayinba 1 :

What I have written about I'slam is the truth, nothing but the truth. You m'uslims have this habit of denying what you know is the truth.

M'uhammed was not a prophet and will never be a prophet and there is no where in the bible, that talks about M'uhammed. If infact, he is a prophet, what did he prophesy about ? Even Aisha his wife, said M'uhammed does not know what is going to happen in future in his days. His religion was enforced by using force.

I am not in the entertainment business. So your statement is off the wall. I am only interested in One thing; Tell me where Qur'an and Hadith/Sunnah justify slavery? Again we see a lot of Great Ones in Nigeria consuming alcohol, yet it is forbidden; why do they do it? Human nature that why.

So the evil of Arabs, Predominantly great ones, does not  point to The Great Religion acceptance of it. Some Great Ones will spend time in Hell fire, will all Christians, Jews and the other: idol worshippers and deniers of God's existence will remain in Hell fire.

@Olabowale :

Muhammadan I'slam institutionalized slavery.  M'uhammad began to take many more slaves after he moved to Madina, and began what can only be described as the first  Organized Crime Syndicate


There are hundreds of Hadiths (Ahadith) that deal with slavery.  Whole chapters of Hadiths are dedicated to dealing with the taxation, treatment, sale, and jurisprudence of slaves.  In addition to this, numerous Hadiths mention slaves, and their relation to their M'uslim masters.  There are so many verses in the Hadith that supports slavery.


M'uhammad SANCTIONED the RAPE of female prisoners

The bible says: Unless is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God. Unless, you (Olabowale) and all other Great Ones, whether liberal or hardliners (Bin ladens) are born again and receive Jesus into your life. All of you are going to hell fire. Even your M'uhammad is not even sure if he is going to heaven or not.

So the question is :

Are you going to follow someone (M'uhammad) who is not sure if he is going to heaven or hell fire ?

The choice is yours.

I think Seun should please re-programme the two words to be in their original form so that a new person reading through posts will understand what everything is all about.

Thanks

@babs:

You have raised a good point. How are you doing anyway ?

4Him, You have not say anything about the contradictions i brought out from the bible yesterday:
1). "Solomon had forty thousand stalls for his horses and twelve thousand calvary horses". 1king 4v26. But 2chronicle 9v25 says" King solomon also had four thousand(4,000) stalls for his horses and had twleve thousand calvary horses".

2). "No one has ever seen God . The only son , who is the same as God and is at the father's side, he has made him known".John 1v18. But Jacob said "I have seen God face to face, and i am still alive", Gen 32v30.

I never knew God use to eat until i read it in the Bible, aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh:" Moses,Aaron,Nadab,Abihu, and seventy of the leaders of isreal went up the mountain and they saw the God of isreal.Beneath his feet was what looked like a pavement of sapphire, as blue as the sky.God did not harm these leading men of isreal; they saw God, and then they ate and drank together"Exodus 24v9-11.
I'm waiting for reply from you about this contradictions.

@Femi Bin laden,

The question here is : When you read a bible (that is if you did read the bible), do you understand what you reading ??

I hope your contradictions were not aggressively plagiarised from these I'slamic or terrorist websites

In Ist King 4 : 26 :

I want you to start from the beginning of the chapter and tell me what you don't understand.

Also in 2nd Chronicles 9 :25 :

I want you to start from the beginning and tell me what you don't understand.

I would advise you to stop exposing your advance ignorance.

1. In recent years, much has been heard about 'I'slam' as a religion of compassion and peace.. With the exception of scholars and students of comparative religion, no one in the West has really taken the trouble to study or read the Q'uran from cover to cover; none of the Christian, Jewish or others, considered to be 'Unbelieving' religious authorities (Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, Atheists, etc), one has spoken to, has claimed to have any but the most superficial and fragmentary knowledge of its contents.

They certainly had no idea about the contemptuous anti-'Unbelievers', anti-Christian and anti-Jewish dogmas it contains. Most Jews, and certainly most Christians and other 'Unbelievers', have no idea that the Q'uran is a veritable, relentless tirade against all of them. As will be seen from the following pages, the Q'uran can only be described as a 'Gospel' of hate.

2. The proposed new UK legislation against incitement to religious hatred has been designed, we are told, "to protect M'uslims from religious hatred"; that is why it is being vociferously welcomed by the Council of British M'uslims.


The Q'uran does not only incite, but also preaches explicit hatred against Christians, Jews and all other non-Muhammadan Great Ones (Unbelievers). Will the new legislation protect the majority of the people of this country from the hatred preached by the imams in Britain's over twelve hundred mosques every Friday?


3. It would be interesting to obtain a legal opinion as to whether the open incitement contained in these Q'uranic precepts, falls within the remit of the proposed legislation?


4. The tragic fact is, that most decent human beings, find it almost impossible to believe, that an alleged holy book, such as the Q'uran, could possibly contain so much hatred, anger, injustice and immorality.


The inability of ordinary decent people to comprehend, let alone accept the reality, of the totally depraved indifference that is shown by the Q'uran, towards all human life in general, but vis a vis the 'UNBELIEVERS' in particular, is beyond their imagining.
       
That is why, I have attempted to put together, most of the relevant warmongering, hatemongering and insulting verses of the Q'uran under one single heading.

Anyone who has studied the Q'uran, will know that none of them has been taken out of context, changed, perverted or tampered with. Those who have not read or studied Q'uran, can easily verify the veracity of the following verses by actually reading them.
       
In summation, in the year 622AD, the first warmongering verse was 'revealed', that which is called

'The Sword Verse'


9:" 5  But when the forbidden months are past then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity then open the way for them: for God is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful"


The M'uhammed in his Q'uran, declared total and eternal WAR, against all those who do not believe (UNBELIEVERS) in 'a'llah AND in M'uhammad as his messenger'.


Those who are not followers of the CULT of M'uhammed, are given three choices:

1 Convert to this cult and be saved.


2  Submit, to eternal and utter humiliation for the peoples of the Book, such as the Jews, Christians and Zoroasterians.


3   Death, enslavement and forced conversion, to be inflicted upon: Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, Atheists and the like.


It is left to the reader, after investigating, comparing and contrasting the The Great Book, the Bible and other available references, to make up their own mind.

[b]Q'URAN PROTOCOL FOR TOTAL WAR

QUOTATIONS BY CHAPTER AND VERSE FROM THE TRANSLATION OF THE Q'URAN SANCTIONED BY THE HIGHEST RELIGIOUS M'USLIM AUTHORITIES
IN SAUDI ARABIA


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Qur'an 2:39        "Those who disbelieve and reject Our revelations are the dwellers of the Fire, they shall abide therein forever."


Qur'an 2:59        "But the transgressors [the Jews] changed the word from that which had been told to them for another, so We sent upon the wrongdoers a punishment from the heaven because of their rebelling against God's obedience.


Qur'an 2:65        "And indeed you [Jews] knew those among you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath.  We [God] said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected."


Qur'an 2:67        "And remember when Moses said to his people: 'Verily, God commands you that you slaughter a cow.' (The 'story' of the cow - which has no basis in the Bible - follows, which tells the faithful how the Jews attempted, unsuccessfully, to deceive and outwit God: 67-73)"


Qur'an 2:74        "Then after that your hearts [Jews] were hardened and became as stones or even worse in hardness. And indeed, there are stones out of which rivers gush forth and indeed, there are stones which split asunder so that water flows from them, and indeed, there are stones which fall down for fear of God. And God is not unaware of what you do."


Qur'an 2:77        "Know they [Jews] not that God knows what they conceal and what they reveal?" 


Qur'an 2:80        "And they [Jews] say, 'Hell-fire shall not touch us but for a few hundred days.' Say (O The Great Prophet): Have you taken a covenant from God, so that God will not break his covenant? Or is it that you say of God what you know not?"


Qur'an 2:85:        "Then do you [Jews] believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment.


Qur'an 2:86        "Their torment [the Jews] shall not be lightened nor shall they be helped."


Qur'an 2:87        "And indeed, we gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers ,  Is it that whenever there came to you [Jews] a Messenger with what you yourselves desired not, you grew arrogant? Some, you disbelieved and some, you killed."




Qur'an 2:88        "And they  [the Jews] say: 'Our hearts are wrapped' (i.e., do not hear or understand a'llah's Word.) Nay, A'llah has cursed them for their disbelief, so little is that which they believe."


Qur'an 2:89        "And when there came to them [the Jews], a Book (this Qur'an) from God confirming what is with them [the Torah and Gospel], although aforetime they had invoked a'llah (for coming of M'uhammed) in order to gain victory over those who disbelieved, then when there came to them that which they had recognised, they disbelieved in it. So let the Curse of God be on the disbelievers."


Qur'an 2:92        "And indeed Moses came to you [Jews] with clear proofs, yet you worshipped the calf after he left, and you were wrongdoers."


Qur'an 2:94        "Say to them [the Jews]: 'If the Home of the hereafter with God is indeed for you especially and not for others, of mankind, then long for death if you are truthful.'


Qur'an 2:95        "But they will never long for it because of what their hands have done. And God is All-Aware of the wrongdoers.


Qur'an 2:96        "And verily, you will find them [the Jews] the greediest of mankind for life and (even greedier) than those who ascribe partners to God. Everyone of them wishes that he could be given a life of a thousand years but the grant of such life will not  save him even a little from (due) punishment. And God is All-Seer of what they do."


Qur'an 2:116        "And they [the Christians] say: 'God has begotten a son'. Glory be to Him! Nay, to Him belongs that is in the heavens and on earth, and all surrender with obedience to Him."


Qur'an 2:159        "Verily, those [the Jews and the Christians] who conceal the clear proofs, evidences and the guidance, which We have sent down, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book, they are the ones cursed by God and cursed by the cursers."


Qur'an 2:161        "Verily, those who disbelieve, and die while they are disbelievers, it is they on whom is the Curse of God and of the angels and of mankind, combined.


Qur'an 2:162        "They will abide therein [under the curse in Hell], their punishment will neither be lightened nor will they be reprieved."


Qur'an 2:191        "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. Disbelief is worse than killing. And fight not with them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers."


Qur'an 3:10        "Verily, those who disbelieve, neither their properties nor their offspring will avail them whatsoever against a'llah; and it is they who will be fuel of the Fire."


Qur'an 3:12        "Say to those who disbelieve: 'You will be defeated and gathered together to Hell, and worst indeed is that place to rest'."


Qur'an 3:56        "As to those who disbelieve, I [A'llah] will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."


Qur'an 3:61        "Then whoever disputes with you concerning him [Jesus] after all the knowledge that has come to you [i.e. Jesus being a slave of God and having no share in Divinity] say: 'Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves - then we pray and invoke the Curse of God upon those who lie [who believe Jesus is the son of God]'."


Qur'an 3:69        "A party of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish to lead you astray. But they shall not lead astray anyone except themselves, and they perceive not."


Qur'an 3:70        "O people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians]: Why do you disbelieve in the revelations of God while you yourselves bear witness to their truth?"


Qur'an 3:71        "O people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians]: Why do you mix truth with false thoughts and conceal the truth while you know?"


Qur'an 3:75        "Among the people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians] is he who, if entrusted with a great amount of wealth, will readily pay it back; and among them there is he who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless you constantly stand demanding, because they say: 'There is no blame on us to betray and take the properties of the illiterates (Arabs).' But they tell a lie against God while they know it."


Qur'an 3:78        "And verily, among them [Jews and Christians] is a party who distort the Book with their tongues, so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say: 'This is from God,' but it is not from God; and they speak a lie against God while they know it."


Qur'an 3:85        "And whoever seeks a religion other than The Great Religion, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers."


Qur'an 3:87        "They [disbelievers] are those whose recompense is that on them rests the Curse of God, of the angels, and of all mankind.


Qur'an 3:88        "They will abide in Hell. Neither will their torment be lightened, nor will it be delayed or postponed."


Qur'an 3:100        "O you who believe! If you obey a group of those who were given the Scripture [Jews and Christians], they would indeed render you disbelievers after you have believed!"


Qur'an 3:110        "You [M'uslims] are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin [the ordinances of a'llah] and forbid all that a'llah has forbidden and you believe in God.  And had the people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians] believed, it would have been better for them; among them are some who have faith, but most of them are wrongdoers."


Qur'an 3:118        "O you who believe! Take not as your friends those outside your religion [Jews and Christians] since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the revelations, if you understand."


Qur'an 3:119        "Lo! You are the ones who love them [Jews and Christians] but they love you not, and you believe in all the Scriptures while they disbelieve in your Book. And when they meet you, they say, 'We believe.' But when they are alone they bite the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: 'Perish in your rage.' Certainly, God knows all the secrets in the breasts."


Qur'an 3:151        "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they [Christians] join others in worship with God, for which He had sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the wrong doers."


Qur'an 3:181        "Indeed, God has heard the statement of those [Jews] who say: 'Truly, God is poor and we are rich!' We shall record what they have said and their killing of the Prophets unjustly, and we shall say: 'Taste you the torment of the burning Fire'".


Qur'an 4:14        "And whosoever disobeys God and His Messenger and transgresses His limits, He will cast him into the Fire, to abide therein; and he shall have a disgraceful torment."

Qur'an 4:46        "Among those who are Jews, there are some who displace words from (their) right places and say: 'We hear your word and disobey.' ,  But God has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not except a few."


Qur'an 4:47        "O you who have been given the Scripture [Jews and Christians]! Believe in what We have revealed confirming what is (already) with you, before we efface faces (by making them like the back of necks; without nose, mouth, eyes, etc.) and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers. And the Commandment of God is always executed."


Qur'an 4:48        "Verily, God forgives not that partners [Jesus as son of God] should be set up with Him in worship, and whoever sets up partners with God in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin."


Qur'an 4:50        "Look, how they [Christians] invent a lie against God, and enough is that as a manifest sin."


Qur'an 4:51        "Have you not seen those who were given a portion of the Scripture [the Bible]? They believe in false gods and idols and say to the disbelievers that they are better guided as regards the way than the believers (Great Ones)."


Qur'an 4:52        "They [Jews and Christians] are those whom God has cursed, and he whom God curses, you will not find for him any helper."


Qur'an 4:55        "Of them [Jews and Christians] were some who believed in him (M'uhammed - peace be upon him) and of them were some who averted their faces from him; and enough is Hell for burning them."


Qur'an 4:56        "Surely! Those who disbelieve in Our Revelations We shall burn them in Fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for other skins that they may taste the punishment. Truly, God is Ever Most Powerful, All-Wise."


Qur'an 4:74        "Let those believers who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter fight in the Cause of God, and whoso fights in the Cause of God and is killed or gets victory, We shall bestow on him a great reward."


Qur'an 4:76        "Those who believe, fight in the Cause of God, and those who disbelieve, fight in the Cause of Satan. So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan."


Qur'an 4:82        "Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than God, they would surely have found therein much contradictions."


Qur'an 4:84        "Then fight (O M'uhammad) in the Cause of God and incite the believers (to fight along with you), it may be that God will restrain the evil might of the disbelievers.  And God is Stronger in Might and Stronger in Punishing."


Qur'an 4:89        "They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected, and thus that you all become equal. So take not friends from them, till they emigrate in the Way of God. But if they turn back (from I'slam) take hold of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither friends nor helpers from them."


Qur'an 4:93        "And whoever kills a believer [Muhammadan I'slam] intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein, and the Wrath and the Curse of God are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him."


Qur'an 4:115        "And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way, We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination."


Qur'an 4:153        "The people of the Scripture [Jews] ask you to cause a book to descend upon them from heaven. Indeed they asked Moses for even greater than that, when they said: 'Show us God in public,' but they were struck with thunder-clap and lightning for their wickedness. Then they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them."


Qur'an 4:155        "Because of their breaking the covenant, and their rejecting the revelations of God, and of their killing the Prophets unjustly, and of their saying: 'Our hearts are wrapped' - nay, God has set a seal upon their hearts because of their disbelief, so they believe not but a little.


Qur'an 4:156        "And because of their disbelief and uttering against Mary a grave false charge;


Qur'an 4:157        "And because of their saying, 'We killed Messiah Jesus son of Mary, the messenger of God', - but they killed him not, nor crucified him but the resemblance of Jesus was put over another man, and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not."


Qur'an 4:160        "For the wrong-doing of the Jews, We made unlawful to them certain good foods which has [sic] been lawful to them, and for their hindering many from God's Way;


Qur'an 4:161        "And their taking of usury though they were forbidden from taking it and their devouring of men's substance wrongfully (bribery, etc.). And We have prepared for the disbelievers among them a painful torment."


Qur'an 4:171        "O people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians]! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of God aught but the truth. The Messiah Jesus son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of God and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a spirit created by Him; so believe in God and His Messenger. Say not: 'Three!' Cease! It is better for you. For God is one God, Far Exalted is He above having a son."




Qur'an 5:13        "So because of their [the Jews'] breach of their covenant, We cursed them and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them and you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them."


Qur'an 5:14        "And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection, and God will inform them of what they used to do."


Qur'an 5:17        "Surely, in disbelief are they who say that God is the Messiah, son of Mary."


Qur'an 5:18        "And both the Jews and the Christians say: 'We are the children of God and His loved ones.' Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins?' Nay, you are but human beings of those He has created, He forgives whom He wills and He punishes whom He wills."


Qur'an 5:33        "The recompense of those who wage war against God and his Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter."


Qur'an 5:55        "O you who believe! Do your duty to God and fear Him. Seek the means of approach to Him, and go on a Jihad in His Cause as much as you can. So that you may be successful."


Qur'an 5:38        "Cut off the hand of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from God. And God is All-Powerful, All-Wise."


Qur'an 5:41        "O Messenger! Let not those who hurry to fall into disbelief grieve you, of such who say: 'We believe' with their mouths but their hearts have no faith. And of the Jews are men who listen much and eagerly to lies - listen to others who have not come to you. They change the words from their places; they say, 'If you are given this, take it, but if you are not given this, then beware!' ,  Those are the ones whose hearts God does not want to purify; for them there is a disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a great torment."

Qur'an 5:51        "O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as your friends, they are but friends to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as friends, then surely he is one of them. Verily, God guides not those people who are wrongdoers."


Qur'an 5:57        "O you who believe! Take not for friends those who take your religion for a mockery and fun from among those who received the Scripture [Jews and Christians] before you, nor from among the disbelievers; and fear God if you indeed are true believers."


Qur'an 5:59        "Say: 'O people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians]! Do you criticize us for no other reason than that we believe in God, and in the revelation which has been sent down to us and in that which has been sent down before us, and that most of you are rebellious and disobedient to God?'"


Qur'an 5:60        "Say (O M'uhammed) to the people of the Scripture: 'Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from God: those Jews who incurred the Curse of God and His Wrath, those of whom some He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped false deities; such are worse in rank and far more astray from the Right Path.'"


Qur'an 5:62        "And you see many of them [Jews] hurrying for sin and transgression, and eating illegal things [as bribes, usury, etc.]. Evil indeed is that which they have been doing.


Qur'an 5:63        "Why do not the rabbis and the religious learned men forbid them from uttering sinful words and from eating illegal things. Evil indeed is that which they have been performing."


Qur'an 5:64        "The Jews say: 'God's Hand is tied up.' Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for what they uttered. Nay, both His Hands are widely outstretched. He spends of His Bounty as He wills. Verily, the Revelation that has come to you from God increases in most of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. We have put enmity and hatred amongst them till the Day of Resurrection. Every time they kindled the fire of war God extinguished it; and they ever strive to make mischief on earth. And God does not like the mischief-makers."


Qur'an 5:66        "And if only they had acted according to the Torah and the Gospel, and what has now been sent down to them from their Lord (the Qur'an), they would surely have gotten provision from above them and from underneath their feet. There are from among them people who are on the right course, but many of them do evil deeds."


Qur'an 5:68        "Say (O M'uhammed!): 'O people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians]! You have nothing (as regards guidance) till you act according to the Torah and the Gospel and what has now been sent down to you from your Lord (the Qur'an).' Verily, that which has been sent down to you from your Lord increases in many of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. So be not sorrowful over the people who disbelieve."


Qur'an 5:69        "Surely, those who believe, those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, - whosoever believed in God in the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve."


Qur'an 5:70        "Verily, We took the covenant of the Children of Israel and sent them Messengers. Whenever there came to them a Messenger with what they themselves desired not - a group of them they called liars , and others among them they killed."


Qur'an 5:72        "Surely, they have disbelieved who say: 'God is the Messiah son of Mary.' But the Messiah said: 'O Children of Israel! Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with God, then God has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the wrongdoers there are no helpers."


Qur'an 5:73        "Surely, disbelievers are those who said: 'God is the third of the three.' But there is no God but One God. And if they cease not from what they say, verily a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them."


Qur'an 5:74        "The Messiah son of Mary was no more than a Messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a true believer. They both used to eat food. Look how We make the revelations clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away."


Qur'an 5:78        "Those among the Children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of David and Jesus son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed (God and the Messengers) and were ever transgressing beyond bounds."


Qur'an 5:79        "They used not to forbid one another from the wrongdoing which they committed. Vile indeed was what they used to do."


Qur'an 5:80        "You see many of them taking the disbelievers as their friends. Evil indeed is that which their ownselves have sent forward before them, for that reason God's Wrath fell upon them and in torment they will abide."


Qur'an 5:82        "Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers [Muhammadan Great Ones] are the Jews and Pagans, and you will find the nearest in love to the believers those who say: 'We are Christians' that is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud."


Qur'an 5:83        "And when they [Christians] listen to what has been sent down to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of the truth they have recognised. They say: 'Our Lord! We believe; so write us down among the witnesses.'"


Qur'an 5:86        "But those who disbelieved and belied Our revelations, they shall be the dwellers of the Fire."


Qur'an 5:115        "God said: 'I am going to send it down on to you, but if any of you after that disbelieves then I will punish him with a torment such as I have not inflicted on anyone among all mankind and jinns.'"


Qur'an 5:116        "And remember when God will say (on the Day of Resurrection): 'O Jesus son of Mary! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides God?' He will say: 'Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right to say. Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.'"


Qur'an 5:117        " 'Never did I [Jesus] say to them aught except what You did command me to say: "Worship God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them and You are a Witness to all things.' [The translation adds: 'This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world']."


Qur'an 5:118        "If You punish them [Christians], they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, Verily You, only You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise."


Qur'an 7:160        "And We divided them into twelve tribes as distinct nations. We directed Moses by inspiration, saying: 'Strike the stone with your stick,' and there gushed forth out of it twelve springs: each group knew its own place for water. We shaded them with the clouds and sent down upon them manna and quails, saying: 'Eat of the good things with which We have provided you.' They harmed Us not but they used to harm themselves."


Qur'an 7:161        "And remember when it was said to them: 'Dwell in this town [Jerusalem] and eat therefrom wherever (sic) you wish, and say, 'Forgive our sins'; and enter the gate prostrate. We shall forgive you your wrongdoings. We shall increase the reward for the good-doers.'


Qur'an 7:162        "But those among them who did wrong changed the word that had been told to them. So We sent on them a torment from heaven in return for their wrong-doings."


Qur'an 7:163        "And ask them about the town that was by the sea, when they transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: 'When their fish came to them openly on the Sabbath day, and did not come to them on the day they had no Sabbath. Thus We made a trial of them for they used to rebel.'"


Qur'an 7:166        "So when they [the Jews] exceeded the limits of what they were prohibited, We said to them: 'Be you monkeys despised and rejected.'"


Qur'an 7:167        "And remember when your Lord declared that He would certainly keep on sending against them [the Jews] those who would afflict them with a humiliating torment till the Day of Resurrection."


Qur'an 7:168        "And We have broken them up [the Jews] into various separate groups on the earth, some of them are righteous and some are away from that. And we tried them with good and evil in order that they might turn to God's obedience.


Qur'an 7:169        "Then after them succeeded an evil generation, which inherited the Book, but they chose the goods of this low life saying: 'Everything will be forgiven to us.'"


Qur'an 8:7        Behold! God promised you one of the two (enemy) parties that it should be yours: ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours but God willed to justify the truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the unbelievers.


Qur'an 8:12        "Remember when your Lord inspired the angels, saying: 'Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.


Qur'an 8:13        "This is because they defied and disobeyed God and His Messenger. And whoever defies and disobeys God and His Messenger, then verily, God is severe in punishment.


Qur'an 8:14        "This is the torment, so taste it, and surely for the disbelievers is the torment of the Fire."


Qur'an 8:39        "And fight them [the infidels] until there is no more disbelief, and the religion will all be for God Alone [the translation adds: 'in the whole of the world'.]"


Qur'an 8:50        "And if you could see when the angels take away the souls of those who disbelieve, they smite their faces and their backs, saying: 'Take the punishment of the blazing Fire.'"


Qur'an 8:55        "Verily, the worst of living creatures before God are those who disbelieve."


Qur'an 8:60        "And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war to threaten the enemy of God and your enemy, and others besides whom you may not know but whom God does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of God shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly."




Qur'an 9:29        "Fight against those who believe not in God, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by God and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth [i.e. The Great Religion] among the people of the Scripture [Jews and Christians], until they pay their Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."


Qur'an 9:30        "And the Jews say: 'Ezra is the son of God', and the Christians say: 'Messiah is the son of God.' That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. God's Curse on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!"


Qur'an 9:31        "They [Jews and Christians] took their rabbis and their monks to be their Lords besides God, and Messiah son of Mary, while they were commanded to worship none but one God. Praise and glory to Him, far is He from having the partners they associate with Him."




Qur'an 9:32        "They [Jews and Christians] want to extinguish God's Light with their mouths, but God will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the disbelievers hate it."


Qur'an 9:33        "It is He Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth [Muhammadan The Great Religion] to make it superior over all religions even though the disbelievers hate it."


Qur'an 9:34        "O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the rabbis and the monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder them from the Way of God. And those who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the Way of God - announce unto them a painful torment."


Qur'an 9:35        "On the Day when that gold and silver will be heated in the Fire of Hell and with it will be branded their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs, and it will be said unto them: 'This is the treasure which you hoarded for yourselves. Now taste of what you used to hoard.'"


Qur'an 9:38        "O you who believe! What is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of God (i.e. Jihad) you cling heavily to the earth? Are you pleased with the life of this world rather than the Hereafter? But little is the enjoyment of the life of this world as compared with the Hereafter."


Qur'an 9:39        "If you march not forth (Jihad) He will punish you with a painful torment and will replace you by another people, and you cannot harm Him at all, and God is Able to do all things."


Qur'an 9:68        "God has promised the hypocrites, men and women, and the disbelievers the Fire of Hell, therein shall they abide. It will suffice them. God has cursed them, and for them is the lasting torment."


Qur'an 9: 73        O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites and be firm against them.  Their abode is hell an evil refuge indeed.


Qur'an 9:111        "Verily, God has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in God's Cause, so they kill and are killed ,  Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success."


Qur'an 16: 27        Then on the Day of Judgment He will cover them with shame and say: "Where are My `partners' concerning whom ye used to dispute (with the godly)?" Those endued with knowledge will say: "This Day indeed are the Unbelievers covered with Shame and Misery
Qur'an 22:19        "As for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling water will be poured down over their heads;


Qur'an 22:20        "With it will melt what is within their bellies, as well as their skins.


Qur'an 22:21        "And for them are hooked rods of iron to punish them.


Qur'an 22:22        "Every time they seek to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be driven back therein and it will be said to them: 'Taste the torment of burning!'"


Qur'an 33: 64 Verily God has cursed the Unbelievers and prepared for them a Blazing Fire


Qur'an 39:16        "They [the unbelievers] shall have coverings of Fire, above them and coverings of Fire beneath them; with this God does frighten His slaves: 'O My slaves, therefore fear Me!'"


Qur'an 39:20        "But those who fear God and keep their duty to their Lord, for them are built lofty rooms; one above another under which rivers flow. This is the promise of God: and God does not fail in His Promise."


Qur'an 39:23        "God has sent down the best statement, a Book, its parts resembling each other in goodness and truth, oft-repeated. The skins of those who fear their Lord shiver from it. Then their skin and their heart soften to the remembrance of God. That is the guidance of God. He guides therewith whom He pleases and whomever God sends astray, for Him there is no guide."


Qur'an 42: 26        And He listens to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness and gives them increase of His Bounty: but for the Unbelievers there is a terrible Penalty.


Qur'an 45:7        "Woe to every sinful liar, -


Qur'an 45:8        "Who hears the verses of God recited to him yet persists with pride as if he heard them not. So announce to him a painful torment!


Qur'an 45-9        "And when he learns something of Our Verses, he makes them a jest. For such there will be a humiliating torment.


Qur'an 45:10        "In front of them there is Hell, and that which they have earned will be of no profit to them ,  theirs will be a great torment.


Qur'an 45:11        "This Qur'an is a guidance. And those who disbelieve in the revelations of their Lord, for them there is a painful torment."


Qur'an 46: 20          And on the Day that the Unbelievers will be placed before the Fire (it will be said to them): "Ye received your good things in the life of the world and ye took your pleasure out of them: but today shall ye be recompensed with a Penalty of humiliation: for that ye were arrogant on earth without just cause and that ye (ever) transgressed."


Qur'an 47:2        "But those who believe and do righteous good deeds, and believe in that which is sent down to The Great Prophet, for it is the truth from their Lord, He will expiate from them their sins, and will make good their state."


Qur'an 47:3        "That is because those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord. Thus does God set forth their parables for mankind."


Qur'an 47:4        "So, when you meet [in Jihad] those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly on them. Thereafter is the time either for generosity or ransom. Thus [you are ordered by God to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace The Great Religion] ,  But those who are killed in the Way of God, He will never let their deeds be lost."


Qur'an 47:8        "Those who disbelieve, for them is destruction, and God will make their deeds vain.


Qur'an 47:9        "That is because they hate that which God has sent down [this Qur'an], so He has made their deeds fruitless."


Qur'an 51:5          Those who resist God and His Apostle will be humbled to dust as were those before them: for We have already sent down clear Signs.  And the Unbelievers (will have) a humiliating Penalty .


Qur'an 51:60        Woe then to the Unbelievers on account of that day of theirs which they have been promised!


Qur'an 60:13        O ye who believe! turn not (for friendship) to people on whom is the Wrath of God.  Of the Hereafter they are already in despair just as the Unbelievers are in despair about those (buried) in graves.


Qur'an 66:9        O Prophet! strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites and be firm against them.  Their abode is Hell an evil refuge (indeed). [/b]

@Focused thank you for the insigthful post,

Unforunately I must say that It would be a miracle if the great ones do not discount your research as mere slandering, they great ones themselves know the truth (hence why they make it difficult for a a great one to convert away from the great religion).

It is rather sad that despite the evidence of historical records and present day events, we africans still don't know our right from our left,

Christ does entail one race being superior over another, yet a lot of black men have been blackmailed into thinking that the slave trade was the andywork of christianity.

One thing is for sure we have a little thing in common with arabs (penchant for violence and sexual orges) thus it is easier for a black man to be a a great one than for a blackman to be Christian.

One thing is for sure, the battle has already being won by Christ, we are just here to do job while we are alive as Christians and then go back to enjoy the victory.

Even a mad man knows that Black Slaves in America are seen today as "Black Americans", yet the same cannot be said of the population of "Black Arabs", a right thinking man would always question what he believes and why he believes it and why it is true,

At the end of the day, blackman's choices are influenced by:

1. Access to uncountable sex

2. Freedom to pay for sin with material things

3. Freedom to be able to do whatever they like so long as the can say ".aLL@H" told them to do so,


I must be very frank with you @focused, it would take a miracle for your post to have an effect on great ones simply because it is not a physical problem , it is a spiritual problem and I understand that the devil would not let his captives go free.


It is interesting to note that , The Great Ones, enjoy the freedom of being welcomed by their Christian Neighbours but yet deny their Christian famiily or guest any right whatsoever,

@sysuser :

There is nothing prayer cannot do. If there is a curse in place, we (blacks) can break the yoke of this curse.

Why has Seun reprogramme I'slam and M'uslim as great religion and Q'uran as the great book. If you are reading something and all you read is great book and great religion, you will not really understand what the writer is trying to say or the message he is trying to convey.

Focused, you're quite correct and factual in your submissions, only that You failed to explain why we don't have so many "African Arabians" who are descendants of African slaves captured by the Arabs, You know, just like we have African Americans, Research has proved indisputably that the simple reason is that, while the western slave traders allowed their African slaves to at least marry and procreate, the Arabs made sure they castrated their African slaves! Thereby adding to the other evils of slavery, the anguish of loss of manhood and hope of a family life.

Now judge that.

@Alfa :

You are right

Please while you are at it, should the black Christians be proud of themselves? You know history don't you? So who made the first CAll to prayer? Adhan? I am waiting. and again, please post the true history of christianity and blacks. I did not read your whole post but Mormon Christianity regarded blacks not as slaves but as SATAN/Devil until a few years back. If you go back in history, this is not unique to mormonism, it was the whole christiandom.

Well just try to post all the facts

In order for me to steer you towards the facts about Arab slavery, I'slamic religion and Christianity, can you tell me what you know about Mormon.

When did Mormon start operating ?

It would interest you to know that there is nothing like Mormon christianity. If you read what I have written very well, you will know that I am not one sided in what I have written

focused
shame to all of us and then what?

@Mukina :

What bothers me a lot about black m'uslims is that all the horrendous atrocities committed by these satanic Arab M'uslims are not spoken against. They seems to have turn a blind eye to it

judaism,christianity and the great religion all share the same abrahamaic God. christianity and the great religion are both slight deviations from judaism u guys are really ignorant and have no clue about the holy books u read. 

Christianity and I'slam do not share the same Abrahamic God. The god of the I'slam is allaah (the pagan god of the arabian land) and mohammedu is their spiritual leader, whom they see as prophet. Christians worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The Christians do not recognise muhammedu as a prophet, neither did the bible acknowledge muhammedu as the m'uslims claim.

The m'uslim worship the god of a'llah (god). Muhammedu was not a prophet, neither was his revelation from God. His revelations are from the devil, that is why their q'uran is full of aggressive hate, all sorts of distortion and plagiarism.

Isaac is the promise child, while Ishmael was a child born as a result of evil diversion.

@poster :

you are perfectly right. M'uslim god is a pagan god of the star and a quarter moon.

In Muhammadan I'slam, all human beings are the SLAVES/ ABEED of God.


The relationship between God and Humanity is like that of a Master and his Slaves. It is based on FEAR of God and NOT on LOVE.

In the Arabic language even before The Great Prophet, the word Slave/ Abd was - and still is - associated with BLACK AFRICANS.


The Arabs looked upon the Black people as inferior beings. Muhammadan I'slam and the exegetes of the faith propagated the same image.


Sura Al-i-Imran, 3:106-107 "On the day when some faces will be whitened and some faces will be blackened, say to those whose faces will be blackened, 'Did ye reject faith after accepting it? Taste then the penalty for rejecting faith.' But those whose faces will be whitened, they will be in God's mercy: therein to dwell."


       #432        The "face" (wajh) expresses our Personality, our inmost being. White is the colour of Light; to become white is to be illumined with Light, which stands for felicity, the rays of the glorious light of God. Black is the colour of darkness, sin, rebellion, misery; removal from the grace and light of God. These are the Signs of heaven and hell. The standard of decision in all questions is the justice of God#


The question to be asked is why is white equated with goodness and black equated with evil?

As I  researched, I am very puzzled at the lack of balanced historical reports by Great Ones concerning the African people.

And consider this: Africa produced great thinkers like Augustine of Hippo (Algeria), Clement and Athanasius of Egypt, and Tertullian of Carthage (Tunis), while Ethiopia had the first African church totally independent of Europe (Acts8).


In fact, I find it most interesting that an African church was planted first before there was ever a church in Britain, Canada, the USA or Spain, or any other European state. So why do we not hear of this African church, and why do we not continue to see any remnants of it today?


Perhaps we need to go to the Q'uran again to find the clue. Consider this verse -

Sura Tauba, 9:5: "Fight and slay [those who associate another with God (Shirk)], and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."


It fits the pattern of Muhammadan I'slam which fights against all those who choose to follow their own beliefs, that is beliefs not compatible with those of the followers of I'slam; an idea we find well expressed in the following verse -


Sura Imran, 3:28 "Let not the believers take disbelievers [Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc] for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with God unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. God biddeth you beware (only) of Himself.


In North Africa we know that the whole Saharan region of Morocco, Libya, Algeria and Egypt to the Sudan and Ethiopia used to be Christian, before I'slam came and destroyed the local churches. Why do we not hear about it in M'uslim literature?

We can examine the history of the Sudan as a case in point. Before the Great One invasion of 1275 A.D. by the I'slamic Mamluks of Egypt, the Sudan had three mini-Christian states called:


NOBATIA in the north, the capital of Qustul


MAKURIA, the capital of old Dongola, and


ALODIA or ALWA, the capital of Soba.

These three African Christian states, from 300 A.D. to 1500 A.D. had their own written language, great centers of learning, international commerce with Egypt, Ethiopia and other Middle East states, and sent out missionaries to other African states.
(Read K. Milhalowski,Faras, vol.2, Poland, 1965 for extensive archaeological and historical documentation on these states).


Even the Arab, ibn Selim al-Assuani, was impressed when he saw Soba, describing it as having, , fine buildings, roomy houses, churches, and the land is more fruitful than Makuria, [and it has] much meat, and good horses.


All this was want only destroyed by M'uslim invaders in 1275 A.D., not by European  Imperialism.


The historical records show that the same type of massive destruction,slsughter,  subjugation, forced conversion and enslavememt happened all over Africa, yet we never hear anyone holding the Muhammadan M'uslims - both Arab and African M'uslims - in any way responsible.


No Arab or M'uslim country has ever admitted fault or offered any kind of apology while the Europeans and Americans have.


Why have Christian counntries who traded in slavery offered apologies and not a SINGLE M'uslim one?

Arab M'uslim RACISM is just as evil and obnoxious as that of the Europeans, so why is it allowed to continue unchallenged?


Muhammadan M'uslim racism continues unabated and unchallenged in Africa. In the 1990's, the Sudan in north-east Africa has been suffering an I'slamic jihad-war, whereby thousands of Christians and unbelievers have died, many by crucifixion, or have suffered by having their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off. Is it only coincidental that we find in the Q'uran, the sanction for this very practice?


Sura (the Table Spread) 5: 33 "The only reward of those who make war upon God and his Messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, "


While this is going on, M'uslim states have never once told off the I'slamic government of Khartoum.


The silence is DEAFENING. Why?

Yet there has always been an enormous amount of noise about the apartheid of the old South Africa. Why the double standard?


That then brings me to the question of slavery. M'uslims - the best people on earth at the BLAME GAME - say it is only a Christian phenomenon.

Let us now examine some facts. Because most of the Black people, in Africa were animists in general, the Muhammadan M'uslims labelled them KUFFAR/  UNBELIEVERS from which is the derived the white South African derogatry term for the individual Black as 'KAFIR'.


Even in this 21st century, in the ordinary language of the Arabs, Black people are still called 'ABEED/ SLAVES'.


This is why according to the The Great Book, SLAVERY was not PROHIBITED but in fact  ENCOURAGED especially the enslavement of UNBELIEVERS.


It was the British Empire after all, who in the 1850's who initiated the moves to abolish and stop African Slavery in the first place under pressure from British Christians like David Livingstone and William Wilberforce, and hunted the Arab M'uslim slave ships in the Indian ocean and around the African coasts who were continuimg their hellish business till recently.


Have you not read about the islands of Zanzibar and Pembe in East Africa, during the nineteenth century?


Have you not asked the question as to  why M'uslim countries have never been involved in the movements for the abolition of slavery?


Let's set the record straight. While Europeans were involved with the slave trade for a few hundred years, the existence of the traffic of African slaves had been well established among the Arabs one-thousand years earlier.


The M'uslim position which places the entire blame for the invention and practice of black slavery at the door of Christian Europe, is OBSCENELY HYPOCRITICAL and simply not historically tenable.

Both the Grecian and Roman societies were slave states, yet most of their slaves were Caucasian. In fact, the word slave meant a person who was of Slavic origin.


Robert Hughes, in his essay on The Fraying of America in the February 3, 1992 issue of Time magazine corrects this false impression when he says:


"The African slave trade as such, the black traffic, was an Arab invention, developed by traders with the enthusiastic collaboration of black African ones, institutionalized with the most unrelenting brutality, centuries before the white man appeared on the African continent, and continuing long after the slave market in North America was finally crushed.


Nothing in the writings of the I'slam forbids slavery, which is why it became such an Arab-dominated business. And the slave traffic could not have existed without the wholehearted cooperation of African tribal states, built on the supply of captives generated by their relentless wars.


The image promulgated by pop-history fictions like Roots - of white slavers bursting with cutlass and musket into the settled lives of peaceful African villages - is very far from the historical truth. A marketing system had been in place for centuries, and its supply was controlled by Africans. Nor did it simply vanish with Abolition.


Slave markets, supplying the Arab Emirates, were still operating in Djibouti in the 1950's; and since 1960, the slave trade has flourished in Mauritania and the Sudan. There are still reports of chattel slavery in northern Nigeria, Rwanda and Niger."

The argument by some M'uslims that slavery was God's way of converting Africans to I'slam, is much the same argument suggested by certain misguided Christians in the 19th century who said that, bringing Africans to America gave them the opportunity to hear the Gospel; an argument which holds no credibility in the Bible, and dishonours the character of God.


Unfortunately I'slam still hasn't learned, as today the slavery of foreign nationals still exists in the heartland of I'slam: Saudi Arabia.
(UN Report on Slavery, 1994)

Continuing the BLAME GAME, Muhammadan M'uslims claim that the Christian West wishes to control Africa. Yet why is it that Africans must not like the Coca Cola culture of the West, but are obliged to start wearing seventh century Arab dress once The I'slamic Religion is taken on?

What's wrong with the native beautiful African cultural dress?

Is it not CULTURAL IMPERIALISM ?

Is it also not RELIGIOUS IMPERIALISM that Black m'uslims are obliged to pray facing a Saudi Arabian city: Mecca?

Why not face any number of African holy towns instead?

Why should Africans be forced to believe in an Arabian prophet, M'uhammed and in a previously Arabian Pagan god, a'llah ?


Who wants to dominate whom?


Is not God supposed to be everywhere, and that prayers should be directed to Him who is the whole Universe?

Furthermore, why are people who convert to Muhammadan I'slam required to read God's word and speak to Him only in Arabic? Does God only speak Arabic? Is He not capable of understanding Swahili, Tutsi, Amazigh, and other African languages?

Based upon the historical records of Slavery in Africa, it was not the WHITE MAN who went into Africa to gather the Black people and take them unto their ships and into slavery.

In reality, the White Slavers awaited their cargoe on the Western and or Eastern coasts of Africa while it was ARAB and BLACK M'USLIMS who raided African communities, massacred, pillaged, raped and rounded the reamaining unfortunate humanity and walked them to the shores of Africa for transport to the Americas and elsewhere.

It is estimated that for every slave that arrived ALIVE to be sold, TEN others perished in the most inhuman and horrible manner possible. The figures are mindboggling and ranging from 140 million to 180 million human beings.


Even as you are reading this TODAY, in Darfour, Sudan (meaning land of the Blacks), the Arabized Sudanese are massacring, raping and pillaging other M'uslims of the Sudan just because they are of the darker African skin.

 This is a purely ETHNIC/ RACIAL war and is just a continuation of 1450 years of the most obscene oppression of Blacks at  the hands of the Arabs and I'slam.

im not one bit perturbed by the infantile and idle threat, im way way beyond that balbative talk.

have you ever considered those atrocities committed and sanctioned by the bloody thirsty, brutal, savage jehovah/yahweh or whatever in that filthy pentateuch which is part of your so hallowed bible.

is it a folly to denounce a tribal god of hebrew that ALLOWED SLAVERY, COMMANDED VIRGINS TO BE RAVISHED, REVELED IN ANIMAL SACRIFICE AND BURNT OFFERINGS, COMMANDED BABIES TO BE DESTROYED, even his beloved david would dash babies against rocks, what a fiendish king!

such tribal deity impinges my sense of sensibility and I will not subscribe to that savage monster,

YEAH! ONE LOVE IF WE ESCHEW THAT ATTITUDE OF "WE ARE RIGHT YOU ARE GOING TO HELL"

@Idinrete :

You are talking about slavery perpetrated by Whites, what about slavery perpetrated by M'uslim Arabs?

Do you know that Arab M'uslim arab started slavery 1000 years in Africa before the white started their own slavery?? Why are black m'uslims not condemning the heinous , inhumane acts perpetrated by these thuggery, wicked, satanic m'uslim arabs ?? Shame on all black m'uslims because they do not know their history. All black m'uslim seems to turn a blind eye on the crime against humanity committed by their m'uslim arab slave master .

More than 140 Million black Africans died in transit when they were brutally trafficked to Saudi Arabia through the horrible desert. The male black m'uslim slaves were castirated by M'uslim Arabs and most of them died as a result, while the children born to the black women as a result of rape were killed by these satanic M'uslim Arabs.

US and Europe ended their slavery long time ago. The slaves in America and Europe became free ,and become citizens of that country but the arab m'uslim are still enslaving black africa till tomorrow.

Have you ever asked why is there no many black Saudi Arabian citizens just like we have many black african Americans today?.

Take a look at Darfur and see what is going on.

@poster :

Bible is God's words. It was existing as dead sea scrolls.

Your Qu'ran on the other hand is not God's word because during the time of Prophet The mus'lim Prophet , there was no standardised qu'ran. It was after the death of Prophet The Great Prophet, that his friends and close companion compiled the Qu'ran from their memory. There was no inspiration whatsoever.

The Qu'ran partly plagiarised the bible. The original word of God which was used even in Medina, before this Is'lam was founded the The Great Prophet was the bible.

Whether you mus'lims believe it or not, Jesus is God the son, and as such should never be compared with The Great Prophet, neither should The Great Prophet be compared with Moses because there is no evidence that he received any revelation through angel Gabriel, neither was there any evidence that he was a prophet in the first place.

May God guide us to the truth (Amen)

Whoa! I guess when you type The Great Religion, it automatically turns to 'Great One!" I like it, if it is genuinely labelled as such. Thanks Seun. My brothers and Sisters in The Great Religion, please increase you dua that the light of The Great Religion should enter his heart, and the hearts of all his loved ones. Amiin. that goes for all of the non Great Ones of Nairaland.

@Olabowale bin laden :

Wishful thinking.

The reason why Seun decided to change Is lam to great religion was because your psychotic brothers in Isl am wrote him threatening him, and he decided to reprogramme Is lam so as to avoid being attacked by your crazy Is lamic brothers, who cannot engage in dialogue without resorting to violence.

@Olabowale Bin Laden :

In the northern part of Nigeria where Sharia law is practised, the leaders of the so called sharia law are the most corrupt people.

In Saudi Arabia, where that satanic sharia law is practised, the Saudi Monarchy ( who are the so called custodian of the so called satanic mosque) are the most corupt people.

I look forward to the day when that sharia law will be abolished in the Northern part of Nigeria.

@post :

I cannot believe that the Archbishop could allow himself to be manipulated by all these Satanic Sharia enthusiast to adopt sharia law along side English law . English law and democracy is deeply rooted in Judeo -Christianity. These laws applies to everbody. Anyone who does like the English law should go back to their Isla mic countries. Even all the mus lims in Britain opposes the sharia law because they know its completely barbaric and it does not guarantee any human right whatsoever.

We all know that Sharia law is not compactible with democracy and Isla mic law or satanic sharia law opposes democracy and it is the most barbaric law in the whole world. Isla m is not compatible with democracy. Take a look at Middle Eastern countries, not even a single one of them is democratic. These countries are ruled as a one party dynasties. A father rules when he dies,  his son rules and his grandson rules and so on.

I think he should resign. Enough is enough for all these unbelievable nonsense. That is the weakness of UK, they are too tolerant

Al- qur.  (satanic verses ) is not from God.

It was compiled by the friends of The Prophet moh. from their memory.

@poster :

The great book is not from God because there was no inspiration from God whatsoever.

@Poster :

Super fowls   

You are so funny !!!

I think the eagles deserve the defeat for the following reasons :

They are too arrogant and they look down on other African players

The people who are suppose to be playing, are not selected because they don't have long legs ( You know Naija connection)

I just hope they will get their acts together, so that this humiliation will NEVER happen.

After the death of the a mus'lim prophet, Prophet Mu'hammed in 632 AD in Medina. Many different Qurans were used in different parts of Arab world. There was no standardise The Great Book in the life time of The Great Prophet.

Ibn Masud, a very close companion of Mu'hammed made a The Qu'ran from his memory which was standardised in Iraq. There were three Surahs missing.

Ubbay Bin Kab, another companion of Mu'hammed, made his version of The Qu'ran, which was used in Syria. The Qu'ran has two additional Surahs compared to the present day Qu'ran. The content of Ubbay Bin Kab's Qu'ran was completely different to the present day Qu'ran and there was no similarities whatsoever.

Abu Musa, another companion of Mu'hammed made his version of The Qu'ran, which was used in Basra. His Qu'ran was identical to Ubbay Bin Kab, but different to the present day Qu'ran.

Zayd Ibn Thabit made his own version of The Qu'ran which was standardised in Medina.

There are profound differences and variations between these different versions of these Qurans.

Present day The Great Book has 114 Surahs, but Ibn Masud's The Great Book does not have Surah 1, 113, and 114 in it.

Ubbay Bin Kab's Qu'ran has two additional surahs and an otherwise unknown verse compared to the present day Qu'ran. Abu Musa's Qu'ran was identical to Ubbay Bin Kab's Qu'ran, but not to the present day Qu'ran.

In 653AD, third Caliph Uthman destroyed all Qurans except Zayd Ibn Thabit's Qu'ran. Ibn Masud refused to handover his Qu'ran to be destroyed and he was seriously beaten for his refusal and as a result he died as a result of the injuries substained.

Thus Qurans of high quality from Ibn Masud and others were consigned to flames.

Zayd Ibn Thabit Wrote his Qu'ran in 8653 AD in Quraysh dialect. The dialect of prophet Qu'ran Prophet.

So it is not true that the Qu'ran was standardise during the time of prophet Mu'hammed

Another question is : Why did Caliph Uthman destroyed other Qu'ran written by other three people and decide to standardise Zayd Ibn Thabit's Qu'ran?

Also these four Qurans have different variations and so much differences and they were away from Medina.

There was no single revelation to start with. No standardise revelations.

There were 18 pages with 17,000 variations between Abu Musa's The Great Book, and Zayd Ibn Thabit's The Great Book.  Also four different Qurans with different kinds of materials which bears no similarities to one another whatsoever. In Bukhari 6:60:201, bears the fact that there are four different Qurans

As a result, the The Great Book is not from God.

joe(Otuonye),
OOOOOOOOOOOOO accept my sympathy, one will easily know that you are like CHRIS OYAKHILOME(A FALSE PREACHER)
hOW on earth will you say that a xtian can put on trousers as female, paint lips like jezebel and curl his hair like chris oyakhiome and you think that such can ever get to heaven.
What do you think holiness is? a filthy rag? please be guided! any church, person or pastor that is not in total agreement with pastor kumuyi/deeper life is not from God and will go to hell fire if they fail to repent.
As for me, pastor Kumuyi is the only man of God in africa and possibly the world. Also note that you don't have to agree with this statement as the bible say that whosoever will be a friend of God will be an enemy of the world so , that a lot of people hate deeperlife or pastor Kumuyi is enough confirmation that the man is realy from God

@Okababa :

Please judge not so that you will not be judged, SO BEWARE !!!!!!. It is only God who knows those who are worshipping him.

@4HIM :

I cannot understand why all these Islamic followers on Nairaland, cannot write things in their own words without aggressive plagiarism. Does it mean that they don't have a clue about their Quran and hadith.

Even Olabowale, have the same infectious disease of plagiarising.

Were they commanded by Osama bin Laden not to reason with their Islamic head, but plagiarise Islamic website I wonder ?

Ditto to you David! If everybody is like Jesus, as you said, why is adultery, and all kind of evil so prevalent, among the Christians? Why are the Christian nations outside the 'nations of the Children of israel,' the nations which are quick to use weapons of Mass destructions?

Ditto to you, since you could not not even explain Matt 1 Verse 19, how holy ghost made someone pregnant and the father is father god, not father holy ghost? How Mark 12 Verse 29 could be declared by Jesus, yet you still make him god or lord? Are these above jokes/slap sticks for the past 2 millienniums, and countuing, and none in the Christians community have catch up to them, yet?

@Olabowale bin laden :

I should ask you why is adultery (polygamy and marrying divorced women) so prevalent amongst muslims ? Why are muslims carrying out suicide bombing so aggressively with the hope of going to Islamic heaven (hell) to have sex with 72 women?? Why would your prophet marry 30 to 49 wives and allow you the follower to marry only 4 wives.

Why do you want to be an Arab man when you are a full blooded black African man You are shouting of occupation of palestinian land, when arabs are still occupying the whole of Northern Africa region till tomorrow ?

Why do you have four different quran, which bears no similarities to one another and which are not inspired by God. Why are your Quran fantasies of a sexual pervert Muhammad (AKA revelations when he was having sex with a teenager Aisha).

Why are muslims so blood thirsty ? Is Muhammad requesting for human blood in your Islamic Covens ?

Why is that Islam has no concept of freedom ?

Why have you Olabowale choosen to go and live in US, why not in one of the crevices or holes in Pakistan where you spiritual leader Osama bin Laden is living ?. At least that would be a better place for someone like you who is aspiring to go Islamic heaven, where you will go and sex with 72 women.

God have mercy !!!!

Before you confuse yourself further, was Jesus a christian and was he given a gospel or four gospels?

Are the gospellers really eye witnesses?

@babs 787 :

I like the stunning rebuttals given to you by Davidylan. The point is even if I explain from now till eternity, you will deliberately want to manipulate and lie for your islamic allah.

Your quran (satanic verses ) is not from God because when your muhammad died in Medina, there was no Quran that was compiled.

The same standard we use to judge right and wrong since time immemorial. Are we using a different standard to judge stealing today as we did 2000 years ago? The truth is right and wrong has never changed, and the human conscience is still a fairly good arbiter to discern both right and wrong. No where do we find in the Bible, which predates the time of Muhammad that a six year old is wedded to a filthy old man who can't control is libido.

And your argument does Islam no good at all. Is Muhammad supposed to live by God's standard? Is God's standard subject to abrogation based on societal evolution? If God frowns on a 50 year old man marrying a 6 year old girl today, you can be sure that He felt the same way 2,000 years ago becuase He does not change. His words are not subject to abrogation just as His standards are not based on societal evolution. He wont decree a man to marry no more than 4 wives and yet indulge his so-called prophet to marry 22, even though this prophet is supposed to lead by example. All thes only expose the fraud of Muhammad who is not just the supposed channel of God's voice, but the author of the very words allegedly revealed to him (never mind that majority were plagiarised). Talk about cunny man!

@Tayo :

Thank you so much Tayo for that contribution. What these Islamic people don't understand is that God is rock of ages, that does not change. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. He have a standard, a very high standard indeed.

If Muhammad is a prophet (I don't think he is) of God, he should lead by example. He should lead by the high standard of God.

Monogamy is the standard of God regarding marriage, but this sexual pervert (Muhammad) practised aggressive polygamy (polygamy is adultery and marrying a divorced woman is adultery), and including engaging a girl as young as six years old.

Teaching his followers of Islamic religion to hate and kill, and they claim he is a holy prophet. Propagating their religion using death threat or all sorts of force or violence and they claim their religion is a religion of peace .