olabowale:

@Imhotep: You always make no SENSE! god/man; Hogwash, Cowdung!

Very good. Which part of what I said does not make sense?

Remember: we do not see the world as it is, we see the world AS WE ARE!!!

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the fact is that islam is still the most embraced religion in the west , to make it even more shocking , the IBO TRIBE ARE NOW EMBRACING ISLAM WITH DRASTIC EFFECT.
GO AND MAKE MORE RESEARCH . DONT BE BRIAN WASHED, MIND SLAVED AND TELEGRAMED.

At the end of the day u're the one who really needs the research . . . the west is not embracing islam rather islam seems to be "growing" in the west due to increased migration and birth rate. Those are facts.

Where are the igbo tribes embracing islam? I am half-igbo and i know that is not true.

, seeing they see not; hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." (Matthew 13:13) .

Compare the history of Islam with the history of Europe, which for centuries was called Christendom. An objective look will show you that Christendom wins by a landslide when it comes to violence and wars. After all, Europe and its offspring did not come to dominate the world, including the Islamic countries, because they practiced the gentle virtues of Jesus.

As for the common practice of cherry-picking Scripture from holy writings and presenting it out of context, just check out what Christians call the Old Testament. There you will find God advocating a double standard of morality, condoning slavery, ordering the Israelites to commit genocide and committing infanticide himself on a mass scale. I don't believe you will find anything comparable in the Quran. 
The word "jihad," which is so over-used these days, has, like a lot of words, more than one meaning. It means basically to struggle, but this can be personal or spiritual, or a peaceful political struggle. Only if Islam is attacked are Muslims required to defend it. As for that obnoxious propaganda term "Islamo-fascist," just recall that fascism is a European invention by nominal Christians. To my knowledge, the only fascist governments ever to exist on this planet were all European and nominally Christian.  Another canard is that Islam promotes forced conversion. Not so. Even when the Arab empire was expanding, rarely were any of the conquered people forced to convert. The Quran even forbids it, as I recall. Naturally, once Muslims were in charge, a lot of people decided it was in their own self-interest to convert, but this is just one of the sleazy aspects of human nature.  I remember when Florida elected its first Republican governor of the 20th century. I saw plenty of people crawl out from under their rocks and convert to the Republican Party, drawn by the smell of patronage. With some rare exceptions, human beings always act in what they perceive, rightly or wrongly, to be in their self-interest.  It was Christian Europe that slaughtered the Jews, and nothing remotely resembling the Holocaust is to be found in the history of Islam. In fact, during the past, when Jews were being persecuted by Christian Europe, they frequently fled to and found sanctuary in the Muslim countries. Until Israel was established, practically every Muslim country had sizable Jewish populations dating back centuries. And there are still Jews and Christians in some Muslim countries.  A final suggestion is that when you hear some individual radical Muslim
being quoted, just remember he is one of a billion people and speaks only for himself and his small following. And be wary of the quotations he uses, for they are often deliberately fabricated or distorted. If Islam is a religion for doom why is the Islamic religion tagged the world fasted growing religion on earth. If anybody wants fact on this you can email me on mcusman@yahoo.com or usman4@un.org and I will be glad to send reply back.

MC USMAN, when you stop dressing up the writings of Charley Reese as your own then we can have a proper discourse.

MC Usman:

If Islam is a religion for doom why is the Islamic religion tagged the world fasted growing religion on earth.

Simple . . . high birth rate and increased immigration is to blame. Nothing to do with conversions.

@4Him: David, you are all over the map! You never stop! Do you bit for christianity, get a legitimate yam to chop, raw, boiled, fried or roasted! Just do it, before you burst a tube.

I read the stunning rebuttals Davidylan gave to Olabowale ( the Islamist). Well done Davidylan !

What I cannot understand is this epiletic mourning and yelling of these muslims about  Israel occupying Palestinian land. When Israel was created in 1948, United nations only gave them part of the land that truely belongs to Israel. Immediately Israel declared Independence, all these psychotic Arab countries (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria ) Invaded Israel.  Israel fought for their survival and in the process gain more lands, but these so called Arab don't want to give peace a chance.

The question is: why is Hamas or Fatah or whatever terrorist name they call themselves keep raining rockets relentlessly into Israel Do they really want peace ?

They are raining rockets into Israel and they want Israel to help them with basic necessities of life such as water, electric supplies and food. Where are their Arab sister countries? This is a country that Palestine have failed to recognise.


@ Olabowale :

Christianity has been existing in the middle east before this evil religion called Islam was founded by Muhammad in the 7th century. Since then, the world have never known peace. I wonder why you have decided to migrate to US? A country that was ruled with Judeo Christianity values that you hate with a perfect hatred.

The best place for someone like you with Osama Bin Laden Idealogies is Afghanistan where you and Mullah Omah or where you and Al - Zawahiri will meet and they will sent to go and study Msc in Suicide bombing and atrocitology in Osama Bin Laden University of mass muder.

I wished your 'White slave masters,' of Europe and her offshoots will. in their arrogance with money, wealth and military power, will stop medling in the affairs of the Muslims and stop their divide and conquer tactics, with their dangling of Carrots and petty monies in the pockets of the hypocritical leaderships of the Muslim communities around the world.

Arab muslims actually started slavery in West Africa. Up till tomorrow, Arabs are still controlling the whole of North African region. Where are the original Northern Africa and what did the arabs do with them

200 years ago British abolish slavery. 160 years ago slavery was abolish in US.

Olabowale, you better worry about Islam. The Islamic demons are seriously going on rampage killing people in Darfur. More than 4.5 million black muslims were killed by Arab muslims (supporter of APC) and the Sudanese government (who happen to their accomplice ).

In Palestine, Hamas and Fatah are both muslims , but they are busy killing one another so aggressively. In fact it is a serious competition of blood bath.

In Iraq, the Sunni and Shia are busy killing themselves like Eid el Fitri rams or will I call it Ileya rams (or will I say carrying out their traditional Islamic blood rituals). God have mercy !!!

If islam is truly a religion of peace, why do they want to wipe out israel??

If Islam is a religion for doom why is the Islamic religion tagged the world fasted growing religion on earth.

Says who ?? Islam is not the world fatest growing religion, but rather the world most enforced religion. They force people to accept their religion , and they make it impossible for people to leave by threathening them with death (aka apostacy ). Could that type of religion have come from God ?? When God created human being to have choice either to do good or evil, but he will warn of the consequences of doing evil.

Christianity will continue to spread even to that Meccan and Medina. All the people there will receive christ into their lives (Amen).

@focused

Christianity will continue to spread even to that Meccan and Medina. All the people there will receive christ into their lives (Amen).

Before you confuse yourself further, was Jesus a christian and was he given a gospel or four gospels?

Are the gospellers really eye witnesses?

babs787:

@focused


Before you confuse yourself further, was Jesus a christian and was he given a gospel or four gospels?

Are the gospellers really eye witnesses?

unfocused blabs: The term "christian" is simply a description of the ancient apostles meaning - "like Christ".
Jesus Christ never claimed to bring any gospels but Himself as a Sacrifice for sin.
Matthew was one of the 12 disciples ditto for John.

@4Him:

unfocused blabs: The term "christian" is simply a description of the ancient apostles meaning - "like Christ".
Jesus Christ never claimed to bring any gospels but Himself as a Sacrifice for sin.
Matthew was one of the 12 disciples ditto for John.

Ditto to you David! If everybody is like Jesus, as you said, why is adultery, and all kind of evil so prevalent, among the Christians? Why are the Christian nations outside the 'nations of the Children of israel,' the nations which are quick to use weapons of Mass destructions?

Ditto to you, since you could not not even explain Matt 1 Verse 19, how holy ghost made someone pregnant and the father is father god, not father holy ghost? How Mark 12 Verse 29 could be declared by Jesus, yet you still make him god or lord? Are these above jokes/slap sticks for the past 2 millienniums, and countuing, and none in the Christians community have catch up to them, yet?

alhaji, you make me laugh.

@4Him: I am supposed to mae you laugh. Also to make you think. Your fakery, rather blind argument needs to be exposed for what it is: Blind!

The words Christianity, Trinity are concept that can not be found in the entire one thousand one plus different versions of the bible. We Muslim sincerely believe that everything Christ (May the peace and blessings of God be upon him) preached was from God. That was the Injeel, the good news and the guidance of God for the Children of Israel. In his life-time Jesus never wrote a single word, nor did he instruct anyone to do so. What passes off as the "GOSPELS" today are the works of anonymous hands and free thinkers? St. Luke wrote his Gospel not because he was kind of hypnotized by the Holy spirit but because it seem good to him, since everybody is writing even those that are not eye witnesses, in as much as he was a perfect eye witness, he had a kind of feeling he should give a narrative too. See Luke 1 – 4.

Islam has a religion has never opted to wipe the state of Israel, before the creation of Israel, Jews were virtually everywhere in the Mideast living peacefully. Prophet Mohammed P.B.U.H. lived among Jews and they were treated equally. If Hamas or Ahmadinajad decide to make such comment, his comment is not a reflection of the remaining 99.9% Muslim. Remember it was Christian Germany that murder 6 million Jews, it was Christian America that denote the atomic bomb in Japan, it was Christian Europe that en slaved more that 10 million Africans. It was Christian Rwanda & Liberia that committed 21st century genocide. Violence is not limited to one religion, as it is been equated to Islam by Christians control media.

@ Topic,
I have not been give the mandate to judge or categorise any religion as being evil.
I have found out that in all of this, Love answers it all. God is the centre of our worship. We should spend the time knowing him other than antagonising and defending religions.
Many fake pastors are prevalent today likewise many bad imams. Our comfort lies in our maker.
One Nigeria. One Love

Before you confuse yourself further, was Jesus a christian and was he given a gospel or four gospels?

Are the gospellers really eye witnesses?

@babs 787 :

I like the stunning rebuttals given to you by Davidylan. The point is even if I explain from now till eternity, you will deliberately want to manipulate and lie for your islamic allah.

Your quran (satanic verses ) is not from God because when your muhammad died in Medina, there was no Quran that was compiled.

Ditto to you David! If everybody is like Jesus, as you said, why is adultery, and all kind of evil so prevalent, among the Christians? Why are the Christian nations outside the 'nations of the Children of israel,' the nations which are quick to use weapons of Mass destructions?

Ditto to you, since you could not not even explain Matt 1 Verse 19, how holy ghost made someone pregnant and the father is father god, not father holy ghost? How Mark 12 Verse 29 could be declared by Jesus, yet you still make him god or lord? Are these above jokes/slap sticks for the past 2 millienniums, and countuing, and none in the Christians community have catch up to them, yet?

@Olabowale bin laden :

I should ask you why is adultery (polygamy and marrying divorced women) so prevalent amongst muslims ? Why are muslims carrying out suicide bombing so aggressively with the hope of going to Islamic heaven (hell) to have sex with 72 women?? Why would your prophet marry 30 to 49 wives and allow you the follower to marry only 4 wives.

Why do you want to be an Arab man when you are a full blooded black African man You are shouting of occupation of palestinian land, when arabs are still occupying the whole of Northern Africa region till tomorrow ?

Why do you have four different quran, which bears no similarities to one another and which are not inspired by God. Why are your Quran fantasies of a sexual pervert Muhammad (AKA revelations when he was having sex with a teenager Aisha).

Why are muslims so blood thirsty ? Is Muhammad requesting for human blood in your Islamic Covens ?

Why is that Islam has no concept of freedom ?

Why have you Olabowale choosen to go and live in US, why not in one of the crevices or holes in Pakistan where you spiritual leader Osama bin Laden is living ?. At least that would be a better place for someone like you who is aspiring to go Islamic heaven, where you will go and sex with 72 women.

God have mercy !!!!

@4HIM :

I cannot understand why all these Islamic followers on Nairaland, cannot write things in their own words without aggressive plagiarism. Does it mean that they don't have a clue about their Quran and hadith.

Even Olabowale, have the same infectious disease of plagiarising.

Were they commanded by Osama bin Laden not to reason with their Islamic head, but plagiarise Islamic website I wonder ?

focused:

I cannot understand why all these Islamic followers on Nairaland, cannot write things in their own words without aggressive plagiarism. Does it mean that they don't have a clue about their Quran and hadith.

This is one thing I've often drawn attention to.

I wonder ooo,  But do we have real belivers? OR IsIam belivers? Please Children of the MOST HIGH GOD - common lets us talk like Real Children of GOd.

Those in IsIam do not abuse another man's religion Likewise Christians do not abuse another man's religion.

It will be better we use this forum to explain to those in IsIam Religion about the Truth JESUS. It takes only WISDOM of GOD for any to understand the Birth of my LORD JESUS.

And of course - you don't have to blame people - mostly the side of N. Because of lack of education. We are more enlighten than them.

And whether you like it or not - The bible said the will be wild. check Genesis. Read more about Abraham and Sarah.

So behaviour of all tribe and cities are already in the Bible. BELIEVE ME ="TO UNDERSTAND CHRISTAINITY YOU NEED WISDOM".

@May kelly,

May kelly:

Those in IsIam do not abuse another man's religion Likewise Christians do not abuse another man's religion.

We are all guilty. We have done it and we are all guilty on both sides!

I don't praise it, but. . . truth be spoken, we are all very guilty!

@focused

I like the stunning rebuttals given to you by Davidylan. The point is even if I explain from now till eternity, you will deliberately want to manipulate and lie for your islamic allah.

Your quran (satanic verses ) is not from God because when your muhammad died in Medina, there was no Quran that was compiled.

Can you please supply me where he provided te rebuttal?

Thanks

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit

These are the words of our Lord Jesus Christ.

You see, it's going to be very difficult if you all try to convince people of other religion to know and accept that they are threading the wrong path. I tell you all that this is the work of the Holy Spirit and Him alone.

1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

These things you all are dishing out are just too big for them to comprehend. So, I advise you just shelve it for now. I suggest you tell them all (atheist, muslims, etc etc) in love, that Jesus loves them and died for their sins.

i wonder WHY YOU try to destroy the name of the true religion of God.the only religion that clearly stated the equality of races(ISLAM).why do you support the cause of a religion that evolved out of the remenant of pagan rome juxtoposed with corrupted jewish teachings.a religion that forcefully enslaved the or killed the whole population of north and south america in the name of christianity. i wonder why no prophet in the old testerment ever talked about trinity.a religion divided into millions of sect each with its own veiw.THE WHITE CHRISTIANS CAME AND ENSLAVED OR MASSACRED THE AFRICANS AND ALL WE COULD DO IS TO PROCTEST THEIR FALSE EVER CHANGING RELIGION THAT HAS NOW EVOLVED INTO A SECT PROMOTING THE WORST HUMAN NATURE IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM.EG HOMOSEXUALITY.CHRISTIANITY IS HUMANS WORST MADNESS.EVEN THE JEWS REJECT CHRISTIANITY AND EMBRACE ISLAM.

Pls see Don Maselo . . . where is usman mohammed?

@don maselo,

don maselo:

i wonder WHY YOU try to destroy the name of the true religion of God.the only religion that clearly stated the equality of races(ISLAM).

If Islam preaches the equality of races, why was Muhammad so bitter against the Jews and Muslims around the world have an incurable hate against them (the Jews) TODAY?

don maselo:

why do you support the cause of a religion that evolved out of the remenant of pagan rome juxtoposed with corrupted jewish teachings.

If that is how you describe Christianity, I'd rather choose to be a Christian than slave the rest of my life on the denials and fallacies of a Quraish prophet who was not sure about his destiny at the end of his career.

don maselo:

a religion that forcefully enslaved the or killed the whole population of north and south america in the name of christianity.

That is the propaganda you've been fed, well done again. Which religion is enslaving the whole of Afghanistan and Pakistan TODAY? What has Islam done for your women in those countries?

don maselo:

i wonder why no prophet in the old testerment ever talked about trinity.

They did. You Muslims have been offered an invitation to discuss God as FATHER for a start: have any one of you accepted that invitation? Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah and a few other prophets boldly declared God as 'FATHER' - where did Muhammad acknowledge 'Allah' as FATHER?

don maselo:

a religion divided into millions of sect each with its own veiw.

Christianity is not divided into millions of sects, thank you. But we know that the more than 70 sects in Islam today are each bitterly opposed to one another. That is why the Wahabis (another sect from the Sunni sect emerging from Saudi Arabia) want to clean the earth of every other Muslim.

don maselo:

THE WHITE CHRISTIANS CAME AND ENSLAVED OR MASSACRED THE AFRICANS AND ALL WE COULD DO IS TO PROCTEST THEIR FALSE EVER CHANGING RELIGION THAT HAS NOW EVOLVED INTO A SECT PROMOTING THE WORST HUMAN NATURE IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM.

Muhammad was a white man: have you forgotten that? Go read about how he pillaged villages around the Arabian peninsula, enslaved many of them, coded massacres for his delight - and TODAY, it is Christians that are trying to offer freedom to some Muslim countries (e.g., Afghanistan) from their own plight derived from Islam!

don maselo:

EG HOMOSEXUALITY.CHRISTIANITY IS HUMANS WORST MADNESS.

We know of many homosexual Muslims here in the UK alone. They run night clubs and brothrels, and they are highly placed individuals in society. Annually, they have their own gay parade around south of London with spontenous such parades around the rest of Europe.

No, I didn't mention names.

But I wonder why, if Christianity produces the worst human madness, we don't have Christians organizing such parades anywhere in Europe (not that I'm calling for that)?

don maselo:

EVEN THE JEWS REJECT CHRISTIANITY AND EMBRACE ISLAM.

There are many Jews who received Christ as their Lord and Saviour during Jesus' earthly ministry, if you care to read the Bible. Also, TODAY around the world, there are so many Jews who have come to know Jesus Christ as their Saviour, including:

Jewish Christians;

others Jews who believe in Jesus Christ as Messiah Yahshua;

ministries founded by Jews who became Christians;

those who clearly identify themselves as Christian Jews

And just in case you don't know, there are Jews today who stand against your anti-Christian defamation!

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If you don't like to read things about Islam in this Forum, it is time you Muslims stop seeking to castigate Christianity at every opportunity! Mind your own Arabian mats, and no one would be half-bothered that you exist.

don maselo:

THE WHITE CHRISTIANS CAME AND ENSLAVED OR MASSACRED THE AFRICANS AND ALL WE COULD DO IS TO PROCTEST THEIR FALSE EVER CHANGING RELIGION THAT HAS NOW EVOLVED INTO A SECT PROMOTING THE WORST HUMAN NATURE IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM.EG HOMOSEXUALITY.CHRISTIANITY IS HUMANS WORST MADNESS.EVEN THE JEWS REJECT CHRISTIANITY AND EMBRACE ISLAM.

and muslims are busy falling over themselves to reach the countries of these people promoting the "worst human nature"?
What nature can be worse than that displayed in Darfur, Iraq, Gaza, Pakistan, Afghanistan?

and muslims are busy falling over themselves to reach the countries of these people promoting the "worst human nature"?
What nature can be worse than that displayed in Darfur, Iraq, Gaza, Pakistan, Afghanistan?

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i wonder why christians cannot understand the basic truth and face the fact.the same thing is happening or have happened in rwanda ,ireland,serbia,germany,russia under stalin.but tah fact that these atrocities are carries out by christians does not mean it is the bible that say they shoul do it.when half baked barbarian muslims come out to implement anti islamic laws in the name of religion,you end up saying they are inspired by islam.but when people like hitler,stalin etc commit atrocities you would not atribute in to their christian background but on human influenced factor.christianity have its own share of evil.i can say it was inspired by the old testerment.the flaming sword of the champions of christ drip with blood of the infidel and innocent.JEWS WERE THE SCAPEGOAT.

@don maselo,

don maselo:

i wonder why christians cannot understand the basic truth and face the fact.

You would cease wondering when and only when you come to understand that Christians have called on Muslims to face up to the facts that you scream out to others but often fail to see yourselves!

don maselo:

the same thing is happening or have happened in rwanda ,ireland,serbia,germany,russia under stalin. but tah fact that these atrocities are carries out by christians does not mean it is the bible that say they shoul do it.

Just a question, sir: when did Stalin become a Christian?

don maselo:

when half baked barbarian muslims come out to implement anti islamic laws in the name of religion,you end up saying they are inspired by islam.

The so-called "half-baked Muslims" (I refuse to use the tag "barbarians" have often quoted the verses of the Qur'an for their actions. True, it may have been as a misunderstanding of those verses (just as fundamentalists in every religion use some verses out of context); but then, we do not find reknowned Muslim scholars condeming those acts when preaching in their mosques.

I deem that olabowale is familiar with New York - he should be quite aware of Muslim happenings there. Sad thing if he isn't. But then, although I was never a Muslim who was fortunate enough to have been raised in a Muslim-Christian family, I've an elder brother who was jolted to reality when he visited a well-known mosque in NY that openly sponsored disaffection towards Jews and Christians! The reality so shook him that he kept researching his religion and eventually became a Christian! No, I didn't preach to him - he himself led me to Christ!

don maselo:

but when people like hitler,stalin etc commit atrocities you would not atribute in to their christian background but on human influenced factor.

Again: when did Stalin (and Hitler) become Christians?

don maselo:

christianity have its own share of evil.

Is that why Muslims suppose that suicide bombers with hopes of 72 virgins in Jannah are . . . "Christians"?

don maselo:

i can say it was inspired by the old testerment.

Which one - the one that Muslims claim have been lost and never recoverable among the torah of Allah?

don maselo:

the flaming sword of the champions of christ drip with blood of the infidel and innocent.

The same "champions" you have earlier said that it "does not mean it is the bible that say they shoul do it"

don maselo:

JEWS WERE THE SCAPEGOAT.

Sadly, Jews and Christians were and are still the "scapegoats" in Muslim theology around the world!

Will we ever stop biting one another? God,there are more important issues, people are dying regardless of their faith Muslims, Xtains, Jews and evil is perpetrated in teh lnd by Muslims, Jews ,Xtains.

Africa is in big wahala and we waist burn energy arguing on religious correctness. Crap everything.
Remember ppl believed before Islam as we know it today or Christainity came to our Land. Lets not start another crusade.

I believe in God and Good Simple. Yes, I'm a Muslim.

@abdkabir,

abdkabir:

Will we ever stop biting one another?

Why is it that your type ALWAYS leave things to have heated up until they prove too much for Muslims to bear before you show up with sneak apologies?

Where were your type hanging all this while as your Muslim brethren brooded with caustic posts deliberated against Christ and Christianity?

How is it that your type has kept quiet all this while as Muslims endlessly sought to assail Christianity with all sorts of hypocritic assertions that fell flat on their face?

Why is it that Muslims never get to call their own brethren to order as they endlessly sought to assail particularly Christian convictions?

Did you ever seek to ask your Muslim brethren to pull in their own molars when they sought to bite toothlessly at others until they felt the bite too deep in their skin?


So many times, Christians have offered Muslims to seek to discuss religion amicably without the need to be unnecessarily derisive of non-Muslim convictions. What has been their replies other than an insatiable thirst for more deliberate harrumph?

abdkabir:

Yes, I'm a Muslim.

Then do the one sane thing any thinking person could do - talk DIRECTLY to your Muslim folks to make them think with common sense! They are the ones you need to address directly instead of these pretences.

Christians have always sought to talk directly to Christians when we sometimes seem to be driving issues towards the edge - then why is it that Muslims never get to address their brethren directly about their misgivings? Is it expressly forbidden in Islam to caution your brethren?