Nihilist:
Pogba deal makes no sense at all.

This is always going to be a problem with the English game as long as Sky Money continues to roll in.

Imagine Stones going for almost 50m or even Batshuayi for 33m. Andre freaking ayew for 20m+

They spend money so much more sensibly on the continent

Everybody is spending money in England. I prefer the Pogba deal to the Stones own.

In Italy; consider these deals.
-Pogba
-29 year old Hinguain +£14m

I know which one I'll take again.

"I heard comments from other managers but they'll never have this problem (criticism over spending) because to have this problem you have to be in one of the biggest clubs in the world"

Mourinho is so savage.

Chelseafan1:


What was the £800,000 man u received for him for?

The tribunal eventually asked Juventus to pay that. He basically left on a free.

SIRcumalot:

really hard to believe really,
I just hope we're not playing Mago-mago.
You know Barcelona tried to fool the public about the actual price of the money they payed for Neymar and they entered wahala.

No. Pogba's Mom isn't like Neymar's Dad

I saw a letter by Juventus which disclosed the details of the payment. They would eventually get about €72m after taxes and everything. Raiola must have taken his cut from that money for Juve to get so low.

Airmark always terrorizing this thread.

Keky:
Lol @ united fans comparing Pogba's fee to Bale's. Bale won Madrid two UCLS, Pogba is winning a league where darmian was best RB

Learn how to do the right comparison and use logic properly. I don't have to spoon feed you every time.

Pogba won 4 league titles for Juventus which was his previous club.
What was Bale's previous club before he moved to Madrid? Spurs.
What did Bale win for Spurs before moving to Madrid?
The same thing Arsenal your useless club won between 2005 and 2013. Zero trophies. Not even a spoon.

The 4-4-2 was at the peak of it's popularity in the late 90s and the early beginning of this century but most top teams don't adapt it currently for obvious reasons. Mourinho himself pretty much ended it's use in England when he came along with his 4-3-3 then. But these days he prefers the 4-2-3-1 and there's a good chance we'll adapt that but I hope not.

With the exclusion of Rooney, we have more players suited to a midfield 3 and it's best fitted for Pogba, our record signing.

A younger Carrick would've been good enough in a midfield 2 or the deepest midfielder in this trio but the older one has lost most of his legs and that makes everything a little more complicated because of our current midfielders, only Carrick has the required skill set to sick back defensively and dictate play.

IIRC Jose has done without the use of that kind of midfielder in the past. His first Chelsea team had Essien, Lampard and Makelele who wasn't exactly known for dictating play. There was great synergy between them however which is lacking among our midfielders.

As some have stated earlier, United pretty much didn't use to play with such a midfielder in the past but then we hardly lacked steel in midfield.

I'm very curious to see what Mourinho will adapt eventually.

So we got Pogba for £89m in total fees after all; better deal than I expected. What happened to those salty folks screaming £120m and £20m to Raiola his agent?

Herrera or Morgan; One of them needs to step up massively and claim a spot in midfield this season; our season might depend on it. If they fail to, then we'll surely have to bring in another high profile midfielder next season. Our midfield has always been a mess. Like I've continuously stated, the signing of a single midfielder (Pogba) won't solve all our issues in the middle but it's a very good start to what we wanna achieve.

SIRcumalot:
https://twitter.com/aditya_reds/status/762340386983464960


more stuff like this

Haters would say Jose is having a dig at them...

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more pictures.

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[img]http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/team-of-manchester-united-celebrate-with-the-trophy-after-winning-the-picture-id586911820[/img]

[img]http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/eric-bailly-of-manchester-united-lifts-the-community-shield-trophy-picture-id586911798[/img]

diadem07, this one is for you.
[img]http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/riyad-mahrez-of-leicester-city-show-emotion-after-the-final-whistle-picture-id586907942[/img]

[img]http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/manager-of-manchester-united-jose-mourinho-shares-a-smile-after-the-picture-id586909570[/img]

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Zlatan goal.







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Sircumalot looking at that Mata sub again, i don't think it's as bad as i feared earlier; i doubt Jose was trying to be vindictive. He needed to make a sub to waste time as usual and give Mkhi an appearance and the only players who started the game and who he could have taken off for Mkhitaryan were Fellani and Zlatan and they are our 2 tallest players (in a time Leceister were driving crosses into the box like crazy) so i don't think he could've taken them off for Mkhitaryan so he had to take off a player who just came in like Herrera, Rashford, Morgan, Rojo and i think Mata was the best option.

SIRcumalot:
shay Jose no fit Comot another person ni ?
no give this people stuff to talk about.

Mata no dey happy at all. I don't like what Mourinho did.

afrodoc2:


Martial and Depay need to learn from him in terms of work rate and aggression. He does not have great talent but he puts in 100%, Martial has suspect attitude. That and maybe injury are his major obstacles to greatness.

Meanwhile this Rooney and Zlatan combo no go last o

This. It's very similar to RVP and Rooney combo. With the slow Carrick, Fellani playing in the middle, it gets even worse.

Nihilist:
christinec shey you dey see as dem dribble bailly

You never start

Besides that nutmeg, his overall performance this half was very good.

Rooney, Zlatan and Martial were poor this half. Rooney the most annoying, misplacing passes here and there and always losing possession.

We are still searching for the diamond in a 4-1-4-1 set up. Has anybody found it? Everybody on diadem07 case. Una won kill this guy tonight.

A40, i know exactly what i'm talking about. This is from that link.
However, Bayern Munich president Hoeness told Germany's ZDF television that Heynckes would have preferred to extend his contract by a year, but that they could not let the chance to appoint Guardiola slip.

"We informed Jupp early on that we were in contact (with Pep Guardiola)," he said. "Of course he would have liked to have continued for another year, but in the end he decided this way. We are grateful that he didn't make a scene.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11890/8407221/bayern-munich-coach-jupp-heynckes-decision-to-retire-was-not-entirely-voluntary

On Luca Toni, I don't give sh1t about whatever conditions. The scenarios are basically similar. Bayern wanted a player out and they banished him to the reserves to get their wish. Whether prior to that he had punched LVG or rаped his wife is not my business. Bayern did the same thing(banishment to the reserves) and maybe even ended up terminating his contract IIRC.

A40 we can go back and forth but this isn't an issue. I'm done with this.

Diademk07:

Lol I said Carrick was the key to that diamond set up! That was my reply to Sailor who was making it out to look like Herrera, Fellaini and Di maria was what made the formation to work!

Bandwagons always try to read and comprehend the conversation before jumping on peoples' post.
@sailor. I'm still coming to your lies!

what is a 4-1-4-1 diamond formation?

I'm very interested in knowing it. show me

SailorXY:
i said the 4-1-4-1 was the time United played with purpose going forward. PRIOR TO THAT PERIOD it was with a 4-4-2 diamond.

you read without understanding. this is basic grammar chairman.

Are you sure comprehension was his problem? How do you know he didn't understand you initially and is now resorting to lies to save face as usual?

olabode89:


Bros....

When you goof, take a chill pill and regroup.

You claimed that Carrick played in a 4-1-4-1 "Diamond formation" and your error was pointed out.

You didn't mention 442... ithe is called a diamond because of the use of one DM, 2 CM and one AM with little or no midfield play from the wings.

I understand some people do not know much and i have no problem with that. But it's pretty annoying when you make a claim about knowing stuff but it's false, and when you get corrected again, you refused to accept.

That dude is an embarrassment.

This first image is a flat 4-4-2. This second image is a diamond 4-4-2. It is called diamond because the 4 players in midfield form a diamond shape. It has nothing to do with the figure 4. If 4 was the reason, then every 4-4-2 or every formation with 4 in the midfield would be called a diamond formation





This is an example of 4-1-4-1. The players don't form a diamond; they simply do not. That's why it isn't a diamond formation and there are no variants of this formation that form that.


Another image showing 4-1-4-1. Bayern used it.

Diademk07:

Lol!
Looking for a way out, are you?
Sailoy implied that Van gaal had to revert to a diamond when his previous setup failed but was too stubborn to continue which led to his failure.
The truth is Van gaal reverted to 4141 setup and the 4 in the midfield was the diamond! Simple as Abc!

I don't know of the discussion with him but i correct thrash when i see it. see my post below.

Diademk07:



Lol!

Do you actually know that the 4 in 442 is the diamond?
When I thought I've seen it all on this forum!

The 4 in the 4-4-2 doesn't exactly mean diamond. There is flat 4-4-2 in which the 4 midfielders are almost on a straight line at most intervals. 4-4-2 is called a diamond when the 4 midfielders form a diamond. Do you what that diamond shape looks like?

In 4-1-4-1, there is basically 5 midfielders (wingers can be employed unlike 4-4-2 diamonds which limits their use) and how do you form a diamond shape with 5 midfielders? There is no known variant of the 4-1-4-1 that is even referred to as diamond. The 4 midfielders in 4-1-4-1 don't form diamonds; this is the first time i'm hearing this. What you saw most likely wasn't a diamond formation.

You are just creating more problems for yourself. Your football knowledge isn't as good as you always try to make out. Stop making me embarrass you.

Diademk07:


What do you know by a diamond setup first and foremost?
Furthermore, Van Gaal hardly used a 442 tactic. It was either 352, 433, 4231 or 4141.
Hence, all this your theory doesn't connect!

I have no time for your nonsense. You goofed and i corrected you. Accept it, and move on.

olabode89:

Hehehe... I don laugh tire.... sometimes it is better to ignore a question than to fucck up big time. Kagawa10 is a smart guy but sometimes he makes some awful statements. 4-1-4-1 is so far from the diamond formation.

He won't admit it. I simply don't understand this guy.

Diademk07:


I purposely ignored that post! No one who watches manutd wouldn't know Carrick played in our 4-1-4-1 setup!

I don't have time to waste! You can check transfermarkt to bring you back to reality!

4-1-4-1 is not a diamond formation or even a variant of the 4-4-2. It's closer to 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1.

A40:

How can he be part of the dross? He just got there FFS. We are not saying don't get rid of him we are saying show some class while you are at it.

My point is valid; that he just got there doesn't change the truth. If you buy a player and he plays badly in this first season, won't he said to be mediocre at that point in time? Bastian was already dross at Bayern sef because he hardly played and even a 34 year old Alonso was preferred to him than and put in better performances.
what class are you taking about? I have addressed this issue already. Most big clubs are classless clubs in this modern era (Bayern included) you should see my posts.

Again refer to my post about not being forced to agree to a 3 year deal

There was no place in his contract that it was stipulated that he must train with the first team. we haven't violated any term in the contract, and we're only doing what we have to do to force him out. He can take us to court and see what he'll be told.

I am well aware of Basti's career trajectory. Can he play at an elite level and is he done as a midfielder at the top level. Go and watch the first half of Germany v France and come back and tell me when Carrick has matched that in the last 6 years at club level never mind internationally where he was clearly a non entity. Obviously he cannot produce that every week but expecting that from a 32 year old is laughable in the first place.

was that performance in a United shirt? Did he ever put in a performance like that for United? No.
How can you reason like this? Of what use is his performance in German shirt or his past performances in Bayern shirt to United?
This is the issue i have with him. He had an injury that was supposed to rule him out for the Euros but he played in it because of his love for Germany; i can't imagine him doing that for United. He looked slimmer and fitter for Germany than he had ever been at Manchester; he also put in performances far better than anything he had shown at United. Can you imagine that? What does that tell you about Bastian and his commitment to United?

You're basically making my argument for me.

We are not saying don't sell him just put some RESPEK on his name. Bayern are not coming back for Basti. We don't need to do that to show our empathy for one of our own

How can we sell him then when he doesn't want to leave? Mourinho told him quite very early to leave but he hasn't done so. This is what we do as a last resort so Bastian only has himself to blame. Valdes has won everything and even more than Bastian and he was a Barcelona legend, didn't he get similar treatment at United under LVG? Was Mourinho also in charge then?
Did you see Barcelona president or folks complaining like Bayern folks did? No. They don't have a silly and stupid president like Kalle who doesn't know when to shut his mouth and their fans aren't hypocrites like you guys. If i wanna rate Barcelona and Bayern folks, i know who i'll place first.

Bayern given similar conditions has done similar acts in the past to their very own players and they are asking we show ask respect to someone who isn't our own. what kind of hypocrisy is this?

A40 you're just going round and round and have said basically nothing. Your love for Bastian is clouding your reasoning and has made you biased in the whole situation. Una no get point at all.

A40:

Well na una sign am to 3 year contract. The onus is on y'all to either buy out his contract or find a willing buyer that will match his wages. That is not his responsibility

Well, he would and should be treated as thrash until he finds a new club and that's nobody business since he's our player either.

Of course no one is asking you to give a shyte about his WC medal. Just put some Respek on his name and for your manager to show some class

This is the hypocrisy associated with Bayern folks i always have problems with. What respect or class do you guys want from us?
Is Bayern not a classless club too? Basically all big clubs are classless; it's the modern way.
Bayern had been doing similar acts since god knows when and nobody complained. Didn't you guys basically force your treble winning coach Juup out into retirement against his wish? Was Luca Toni not banished to the reserves to force him out?
You guys have forced out a lot of players against their wishes especially old strikers through whatever means no matter how classless and nobody complained.

Man U is presently the Undisputed World Heavyweight MAGA in world football today. Any club willing to pay £100m for Pogba is a serious maga and I would be disappointed if Basti does not stay to collect his share

Juventus a very stingy club paid 90 million for higuain who is 29 by decemeber in this current market because we are taking Pogba from them. Were Juventus MAGAd too? They have an history of making smarter bigs deals than any big club ever. They were the same folks who sold Zidane for a record fee to buy 3 quality players in Thuram, Nedved and Buffon IIRC.
United aren't complaining about the Pogba deal, so get over it. We have more money to spend than any other club currently so it's only normal we overpay most times.

What was Basti's phuck up? Being a 32 year old with injuries here and there? Awww, Happy New Year. Anyway no long yarning. This is the Mourinho we all know and we have seen this film before

Stop blaming Mourinho; go and check out Jose's quotes about him in the past. Mourinho rated him very highly and had nothing but praise to speak of him in the past and currently if Mourinho wants him out of the team for good, then it's for good reason. It's the same Mourinho you guys said loved using old players; have you forgotten?
There are 32 year olds who are still very good players contributing a lot to their teams unlike Bastian who can't stay fit to save his own life; those 32 year olds aren't on very big wages like Bastian either. Bastian scenario is entirely different. He's one of my favorite player but my love for United is far greater; i want him out of the club ASAP and it's for good reason.

SIRcumalot:

even with my liberal use of that word it is obvious that there is a ceiling.
their are certain teams we cant compare ourselves with at least for now
but for what we are chasing the coming season,those guys will play their part.

i have said before,the media is blowing this stuff way out of proportion,
nobody knows what is really going on,
bastian himself hasn't said a word.
LVG did worst to VICTOR VALDEZ last season and barca fans didn't make this much noise.

Bastian doesn't need to say a word. He told his friends everywhere and they are using the media to try and gain attention and pity for him. That's pretty bad from Bastian too; I found it ridoculous when sick notes like Badstuber joined the train
Even Bayern president commented on the issue and was thrashing United not that we care because Karlle is one extremely stupid and silly man who is obsessed with United and English teams. My Bayern friends wish he would stop commenting excessively on the media.

Exactly, Mourinho isn't the first to do this but he has just too many haters. United have been forcing players out a long time ago before Jose or LVG; we did it even to our legends like Stam, Keane, RVN etc were all forced out against their wishes by Fergie.

Bayern has been doing it to. They have banished players to the reserves before. Even a young Bastian got banished to the reserves while at Bayern but he forced his way back to the team. I remember how Bayern dealt with Luca Toni; they forced him to the reserves to get him out and they did similar things or moves considered "classless" by these Bayern fans to old strikers or other players they wanted out in the past. They won't hesitate to do similar again in the future. They are simply hypocrites.

Roland17:


Thanks for the apologies, i genuinely appreciate.

If LVG sanctioned the transfer of Bastian as United fans claim, why would Bastian force a move during LVG's era as manager? Bastian only joined United in the summer of 2015 and this exactly one year since that trade. Bastian was injured for the bulk of LVG's reign, racking less than 20 senior level appearances for the red devils.

Problem i have with United and Mou is the fact that he is back from injury, even though he was peripheral in the German team that played in France, however, he suddenly is not good enough to even train with the first team?

I share the same sentiments with you about the sustainibility of the transfer, and i did not hesitate to spell that out in my original post. He should have either moved to another Bundesliga team, Chinese super league or the MLS, the demands and rigors of the EPL are distinctively unique especially when you come with a price tag and don't have age on your side.

I would suggest he buys out the two years left in his contract because he has no place in Mou's team.

LVG got MAGAed by both Bastian and Bayern. I have made peace with that.

Banishing him to the reserves is the most effective way to force him out. It's what big clubs do to force a player out who refuses to leave. Bayern has done it in the past; but because they're hypocrites and their fans have so such memories.
When Mourinho arrived, he told Bastian very early that he wasn't in his plans and that he should find a new club. It's likely Bastian refused and didn't take it seriously or is having problems finding a club to match his wages and he doesn't want a pay cut. Instead he's comfortable sitting on bench or being injured while collecting massive wages at United. Jose cannot bring in better players because there is limited space on the wage bill given the size of Bastian's wages. That's pretty classless from Bastian and i have no issues with the way Jose has treated him.