Paul continues writing: For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Now we were enemies because the love of God was not in our hearts, even though we were the offenders we were not happy with God. And neither was God happy with us with our unrepentance, yet He is the one seeking peace with us.

If there were no conditions to God's love then reconciliation wouldn't be needed, we would be okay before God to remain in his love. If there were no conditions then how were we seperated from God in the first place.

God's love is so pure that He works in our favor to meet the conditions for our reconciliation and for us to abide in His love for ever.

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.


To abide in, is to remain in God's love and for us to remain means there's already God's love for us. So God's love towards us did not begin to exist when we obey Him but we actually abide and remain in it by obeying Him, that's the condition.

That's why Paul wrote
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Note it began while we were sinners and not that Paul that while we ARE sinners, showing that those whom God loves have left their previous state of disobedience.

God's love is unchangeable but it is not unconditional. It is fixed upon the condition He gives

Uten9z:
Briefly Grace vs Works(Tithe)



*You say, "through grace we can be perfect and obtain favour from God." So then why do you tithe? You don't need to tell me, but it surely shouldn't be for favor from God right?*
I tithe in obedience of grace to get favour.

*But you did write, "if tithing will bring favour by grace why not tithe." Do you now see you are confused do you receive God's favor because of Jesus or because of money?*
Even the unbelievers know that if at the end of year they give out one10th of their earnings to attracts favour. The mystery of tithing and giving for its benefits are not just biblical stop justifying your disobedience

so your god will prosper the wicked because they pay him money to do so?
well your god collects money from you so as to favor you. that god is mammon

For Jehovah gives me grace through His son Jesus Christ, and not through giving Him money but by obeying Him by loving others, feeding them and giving them water, clothing them and the like

*If it was only just blood sacrifice, then why is circumcision no longer relevant under the new covenant? If your understanding was true you should understand this as well right?*
Who lied to you thst circumcision is not longer invoked as a christain?. Beside what i said was *amongs other* [/b]benefits, not just salvation.

you ask who lied to me? I haven't quoted much from the bible because I perceive you are ignorant of what is actually written there, have you never read acts 15
Gal.5.2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ cannot help you.
Titus.1.10 For there are many who rebel against right teaching; they engage in useless talk and deceive people. This is especially true of those who insist on circumcision for salvation.

*[b]I asked you, well you haven't answered any, but let me ask again, how does your paying tithe translate the obedience to obeying the command from Jesus to love? If you do not even understand that, when why then do you truly do it? You are you serving?*
If you love God you need to do what he expect of you, for the kingdom of God to thrive on earth there are lied down instructions and laws for us to observe to do.
*Luke 6 46* “Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? 47 As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. 48 They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock.

did God tell you to listen to Moses and the prophets or to Jesus?
Did Jesus command you to tithe?

*The Holy Spirit wasn't given to you so that you discern which laws of Moses to obey and which you shouldn't, it was given to teach us the word of God and bring to remembrance the teachings of Jesus.*
How is what you said now so different from my point.

*Did you not read when Paul said those law are for sinners, so it cannot be in grace for there is no sin in grace nor room for the laws of Moses.*
Dont mis-interprete Apostle Paul please, He said in letter to the Romance in 3:23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
So dont even start.

1Tim.1.5-9
The purpose of my instruction is that all the Christians there would be filled with love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and sincere faith. But some teachers have missed this whole point. They have turned away from these things and spend their time arguing and talking foolishness. They want to be known as teachers of the law of Moses, but they don't know what they are talking about, even though they seem so confident. We know these laws are good when they are used as God intended. But they were not made for people who do what is right. They are for people who are disobedient and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who murder their father or mother or other people.

You really do lack knowledge of what was written

*Who then is contradicting God's grace? Surely not me who depends solely on it.*
Surely you who want to justify his habit by selecting biblical cortations of verses to make his claim.

*Look you can either accept the truth Jesus taught or reject it and accept the lies of men, it's your choice and your life.*
I will leave you with thesame advice.

Continue, it's your life and your soul

Uten9z:
Briefly Grace vs Works(Tithe)



*You say you strick to tithing, but to whom does the very bible tell you to tithe to? The Levites, the poor and the like.*
To the house of God so that there will be food. At the time of the choosen tribes Levite were instructed by God to man the activities of the temple but after resurrection the temple tore and we all have acess to hearing from God directly. There for the tithe is to the house of God so that there will be food according to Malachi

I asked you a simple question who does the bible tell you to tithe to? You admit it's to the Levites but you say it was before. Okay, so who does the bible tell you to pay to the to NOW? Especially in the new testament a commandment from Jesus

*Do you tithe to them?*
I tithe to the place i worship.


*If you, do you give the full tithe, all three of them?* [b][/b]
How will you know if i dont, you ,just try and start from one.

look you claim to obey Malachi which you do not understand which says ALL you tithe yet you claim to do only one, wow, can you say you obey according to that same Malachi? Is where you worship, God's storehouse?

Uten9z:
Briefly Grace vs Works(Tithe)


*the word of God is Jesus who is the wisdom and power of God to us who believe but foolishness and insufficient to those who do not.*
Rhema is [/b]the spoken word(the Bible) and John 1:1 made us to understand that the word was God.


*[b]But seeing as you say you cannot argue against it, it wasn't written for you to do such, like I told you, you are under the law and not under grace, so obey all of it.*

You are free to think what you wish, but dont smear my understanding into that. The only thing that connect us to Jesus Christ is our been born again and after which all benefit will be bestored on anyone that accept him.) therefor stop humilating people by your view of grace throygh Jesuschrist so that ppl will not be miss lead by that.

you think it's my personal thoughts I have been sharing, you really lack knowledge of the word of God and the power of God. Telling you to obey all the law is that how your understanding is smeared or why you feel humiliated.

Those God loves He corrects but will you accept His correction or go after your own form of righteousness. If you accuse one of misleading others should you not show how much a person is doing so.

Uten9z:
Briefly Grace vs Works(Tithe)

Grace Emphasized
- Ephesians 2:8-9: "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works."
- Romans 3:24-25: "And are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood."

Works
- Matthew 7:21: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

These verses highlight the importance of both grace and works in the Christian faith. While we are saved by grace through faith, our faith should also produce good works as evidence of our salvation.

so tell us how does your tithing serve as an evidence of your salvation?

I asked you before how does tithing obey the command to love you didn't answer at least answer this one above, instead of twisting the scripture to fit your narrative. Is the will of God for you to pay Him for blessings and favor?

"unconditional love" doesn't bring everyone salvation, it doesn't justify sinners, your existence doesn't matter to it.

The truth is, answer me this, does anyone know anyone who loves unconditionally? To help we who reject such believe to understand what the term and phrase "unconditionally love" mean.

If you say your parents love you unconditionally, do you ignore that the reason they love you is because you are their child, if that was not the condition would they love you? Do they love strangers as they love you?

Jesus did not teach unconditional love, he taught us to love others as we love ourselves. Meaning the condition we should love others with is based on how we love ourselves.

Self is dealt with when we love God will all our heart, mind and body, and this love removes selfish from us and enables us to properly love others and ourselves as well. And the reason we love is for life, is for good.

We don't love people so that they can be evil and think they can do whatever they want to others and get away with it. By loving the wicked we hate those who have been hurt and afflicted. The only way to love both, is to tell the wicked the truth and help them change and right their wrong, help them make peace.

The result of the lie, God's love is unconditional is a question that says if God's love is unconditional then why did Jesus have to die?

They see and smell the deception but they see it as God lying and not men lying.

You may have read this sort of definition "Unconditional love, simply put, is love without strings attached. It’s love you offer freely. You don't base it on what someone does for you in return. You simply love them and want nothing more than their happiness."

Now notice it defines unconditional love is the same as love given to you freely because it wants nothing in return but your happiness but then reading on

The same article went on to explain the need for boundaries and perhaps even separation from the one you love if they continually hurt you with their behavior, and ended by saying that moving on from that relationship could be an "act of unconditional self-love."

The question is why don't they advise you to stay if you are continually being hurt, when you have no expectations in return for your love.

Now we may different humans from God and say God is eternal and God's love is eternal, to which I agree, but God's love isn't unconditional nor is it false. God doesn't promise to love you no matter what you do so that gives you the assurance that as long as you abide to the terms of the covenant and agreement you abide in God's love.

God would be a liar if His love is unconditional and then He cuts you off for not bearing fruit.

This is the Laodicea church age, an age where unconditional love is being taught and preached alot and it was to the church Jesus said Rev.3.19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent.

You can't preach the love of God and the love of His son Jesus Christ and not preach repentance or God's rebuke. Unconditional love should be termed Indisciplined love, love without discipline.

Unrepentant sinners want unconditional love, they speak about it, they sing about it, they don't want to change they want God to change, they go to who ever shows or gives them a god who accepts them for who they are and what they do.

It's sad that the wisdom of men are being taught as the gospel, and it's painful that souls are being destroyed by these lies.

But what happens when people who continue to do evil demand from you to love them unconditionally and they continue their wickedness?

Evangelism isn't God loves you the way you are, no true evangelism is God loved you and gave you His son that you should believe him and listen to him, repent and follow Jesus.

If unconditional love means unreasonable love or love without any reason to it, I have heard Myles Munroe teach that true love has no reason, and he taught it in a very convincing way and that's should not be strange most false teachings are also very convincing
But the issue we don't realize is, when we say God can love without any reason, it also means God can also hate without any reason.

What the devil is silently saying is what his subtle deception is about.

How do some solve this, by saying God cannot hate. Apart from reducing God to being who created and gave all has doing so because He can and not because He has a reason to, questions verses that make mention of God's will, God's purpose, God's plan, God's thoughts and reason which are higher than ours. Verses that show God loves for a reason and His love is not without reason and God's love can actually be understood.

They teach you a mysterious God and after their teachings you feel more far from God and like the Israelites you think the distance you feel is awe for God, because you don't understand Him, makes Him great but God want you to know and understand Him..so being unreasonable is something God is not.

Paul understood what Jesus meant when telling us to love like our Father God in heaven


Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

Because we do not understand what God's love is, we love wrongly. Every man, especially brothers in Christ who are husbands who are to love the way Christ loved the church, have to understand what God's love is.
Prov.3.12 speaking about our Father God wrote, "For the LORD corrects those he loves, just as a father corrects a child in whom he delights".

Jesus said in Rev.3.19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent.

You see that the devil teaching you all that God's love is unconditional and making you feel that He doesn't need you to change nor to be corrected is a lie.

Paul continues to write in Ephesians 5

But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) and find out what pleases the Lord. Ephesians 5: 1 - 10


Why do you think Paul who tells us to walk the way of love like Jesus taught us to, tell us to repent why does he go ahead and lists conditions of what you should not do while walking in God's love if there are no conditions to God's love. Unconditional love of God are empty words of deception, because it doesn't exist.

God's love requires you to obey Him.

Some years ago this was a question were no one could answer Yes using God's word

https://www.nairaland.com/7882727/gods-love-unconditional#126496732

God's love having a condition doesn't undermine it. The idea that God loves you no matter what you do is not from God's word, the truth is God loves us no matter WHO we were, meaning no matter where you come from or your past. God's love is based on your character and not your personality, God is not a respecter of persons.

One of the many errors the devil as brought in and you may have been taught is that God's love for you is without conditions. It is a lie meant to destroy you, you fall in love with a lie, because that is not the true God you have in your heart.

It is said that Carl Rogers (1902-1987) made the term popular as a Rogerian counselling/therapy. It was immensely influential. Rogers developed the idea of unconditional love to separate “love” from “moral judgements”. In other words, to truly love, you need to separate love from “the good,” our beliefs about what is right and wrong. We need to show unconditional love, with no moral judgement. To make any moral judgment means you are not loving unconditionally.

Ask your self is God's love without justice? Does God love what is evil?

One of the teachings that God's love is unconditional may be from this text in
Matt.5.44-48

But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and on the unjust, too. If you love only those who love you, what good is that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much. If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that. But you are to be perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.

This love is basic, it doesn't matter who you are God loved you and gave you an opportunity to accept Jesus, that is His kindness, He sends light and rain to all, but obviously some love darkness and hate the light. But does God save the wicked who refuse to repent? He doesn't. God is perfect because He is fair and just, He doesn't give us love for us to continue our wickedness neither do we, you don't love your enemies to encourage their wickedness do you? No you treat them well with basic necessities, if they are hungry or they are thirsty, you give them God's word and the gospel which is repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. It's a message you give not just to your friends but to those who hate you as well.

God loved the people and Nineveh and what did He do, He gave them an opportunity to repent and please Him, if there were no conditions to that love there shouldn't be a need for their repentance.

If God's love to the unjust is unconditional then He has no right to judge them for wasting the time given to them on earth.

God's love is free but there are conditions to remain in that love.

God loved the world, the term LOVED, shows it was a one time thing, John 3:16 and it brings to us a condition where we have to make a choice but does that mean God doesn't love anymore no, for God's love is in Christ, the continuation love of God is in Christ. Romans 8:39. Even this continues inseparable love is with the condition that you are in Christ Jesus. In all Paul wrote, did he write you cannot separate yourself, if nothing else can then what about you?
God's love is conditional because He gave you freedom. Love is a gift, you can give it but you shouldn't force people to accept it, they have to choose whether you receive it and keep it, and we can't have what we refuse to receive.


Like I wrote earlier because God's love is conditional doesn't undermine it. Why not first learn the conditions attached to it, for it is not burdensome to those willing to love as well.

Uten9z:


The churches are the haven embacies on earth, like it or dont, and every church decides what to do with the abondance not church gowers.
Beside stealing isnt new in churcg, Even while with Jesus Christ, Judas was with theif in The Bible account of Judas Iscariot's
John 12:6-7 "He [Judas] did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it."

So its never a new thing, your own is to tithe and give,

Judas was not part of them, Jesus knew that from the beginning so not a good example for those den of thieves is it?

elated177:
El Elohe Yahshrael!

Deut 7: 8 But it was because YHVH loved you and kept the oath he swore to your ancestors that he brought you out with a mighty hand and redeemed you from the land of slavery, from the power of Pharaoh king of Egypt. 9 Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments. 10 But

those who hate him he will repay to their face by destruction;
    he will not be slow to repay to their face those who hate him.

11 Therefore, take care to follow the commands, decrees and laws I give you today.

12 If you pay attention to these laws and are careful to follow them, then YHVH your God will keep his covenant of love with you, as he swore to your ancestors. 13 He will love you and bless you and increase your numbers. He will bless the fruit of your womb, the crops of your land—your grain, new wine and olive oil—the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks in the land he swore to your ancestors to give you. 14 You will be blessed more than any other people; none of your men or women will be childless, nor will any of your livestock be without young. 15 YHVH will keep you free from every disease. He will not inflict on you the horrible diseases you knew in Egypt, but he will inflict them on all who hate you. 16 You must destroy all the peoples YHVH your God gives over to you. Do not look on them with pity and do not serve their gods, for that will be a snare to you.

Deut 11:  8 Observe therefore all the commands I am giving you today, so that you may have the strength to go in and take over the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess, 9 and so that you may live long in the land YHVH swore to your ancestors to give to them and their descendants, a land flowing with milk and honey.

13 So if you faithfully obey the commands I am giving you today—to love YHVH your God and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul— 14 then I will send rain on your land in its season, both autumn and spring rains, so that you may gather in your grain, new wine and olive oil. 15 I will provide grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will eat and be satisfied.

16 Be careful, or you will be enticed to turn away and worship other gods and bow down to them. 17 Then YHVH’s anger will burn against you, and he will shut up the heavens so that it will not rain and the ground will yield no produce, and you will soon perish from the good land YHVH is giving you. 18 Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 19 Teach them to your children, talking about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 20 Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates, 21 so that your days and the days of your children may be many in the land YHVH swore to give your ancestors, as many as the days that the heavens are above the earth.

26 See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse— 27 the blessing if you obey the commands of YHVH your God that I am giving you today; 28 the curse if you disobey the commands of YHVH your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known.

Deut 9: 4 After YHVH your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “YHVH has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that YHVH is going to drive them out before you. 5 It is not because of your righteousness or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of their land; but on account of the wickedness of these nations, YHVH your God will drive them out before you, to accomplish what he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. 6 Understand, then, that it is not because of your righteousness that YHVH your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stiff-necked people.

1: Because of the wickedness of the 7 nations.
2: Because of the promise YHVH Almighty made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, which he confirmed to them by oath.

What does the reader make of the portion from Psalm 89 below?

Psalm 89: 19 Once you spoke in a vision,
    to your faithful people you said:
“I have bestowed strength on a warrior;
    I have raised up a young man from among the people.
20 I have found David my servant;
    with my sacred oil I have anointed him.
21 My hand will sustain him;
    surely my arm will strengthen him.
22 The enemy will not get the better of him;
    the wicked will not oppress him.
23 I will crush his foes before him
    and strike down his adversaries.
24 My faithful love will be with him,
    and through my name his horn[f] will be exalted.
25 I will set his hand over the sea,
    his right hand over the rivers.
26 He will call out to me, ‘You are my Father,
    my God, the Rock my Savior.’
27 And I will appoint him to be my firstborn,
    the most exalted of the kings of the earth.
28 I will maintain my love to him forever,
    and my covenant with him will never fail.
29 I will establish his line forever,
    his throne as long as the heavens endure.

30 “If his sons forsake my law
    and do not follow my statutes,
31 if they violate my decrees
    and fail to keep my commands,
32 I will punish their sin with the rod,
    their iniquity with flogging;
33 but I will not take my love from him,
    nor will I ever betray my faithfulness.
34 I will not violate my covenant
    or alter what my lips have uttered.
35 Once for all, I have sworn by my holiness—
    and I will not lie to David—
36 that his line will continue forever
    and his throne endure before me like the sun;
37 it will be established forever like the moon,
    the faithful witness in the sky.”


John 14: 15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

Yahushua the Messiah to his disciples: "show me you love me by obeying my Commandments." You can't claim to love me when you do not obey my Commandments. When you show that you love me by obeying my Commandments, I will give you my Power, the Spirit of truth - the Set-apart/Holy Spirit.

Unconditional love is an illusion; it does not exist. Know this and pursue righteousness - obedience to the Commandments of YHVH Almighty - with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength and all your might.

El Elohe Yahshrael! Hallelu YAH!

this is the truth

God2man2again:


There is a place inside the church called Altar.

Altar is a place where people offer sacrifice and offerings.
Altar is a place where God angels are ascending and descending.

The problem is, which God is on your church altar?

you are still in the old testament, a covenant that has been fulfilled

Who invented this unbiblical term "unconditional love"?

"The term and the expectation of ‘unconditional love’ do not exist in the New Testament. Unconditional love is a modern assertion. It is a concept that skews the idea of sacrificial love. The German psychoanalyst Erich Fromm coined the term unconditional love in 1934 and developed it further in his 1956 book, The Art of Loving...."

Amen

Babinski:


Listening to the idiotic drivel from the man and his wife simply sows they might be mentally unbalanced. They claim God is a diety and an idol, Thatnis the reasoning of someone who doesn't believe in God. Such contrast with his other statements on "our maker" and points him out as confused.

The man mentions what he claims to be the heavenly name.of "their maker" and Jesus without stating the source. He is at best occultic. It is the practice of occults to have strange names for God and Jesus that they claim has been revealed to them by demons masquerading as angels.

I strongly doubt if he was ever a Pastor in the first instance. He may be another Olumba Olumba in the making.

lol I didn't watch the clip but na wa o, may God deliver people from bondage and confusion of the devil

Uten9z:

Thanks but its important we understand that tithing is quit different from giving to the needy which is equally of important and of convanted rewards

Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple[i][/i]. If you do,” says the LORD of Heaven's Armies, “I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won't have enough room to take it in!

are your "tithes" in God's storehouses? Have you given them to God or to thieves?

Uten9z:


I cant argue with your theology or the source havent taken root of your claims in the bible.
What i emphasis strickly to tithing was that if thithin was than valid for us to observe Jesus christ who was made a scrificial lamb for the redeemption of our sin that through grace we can be perfect and obtain favour from God.

Besides Jesus Christ in my on understanding that among many blessing of His sacrifice was to abolish the practice of giving blood sacrifice that that ordenances man have direct access to God as was processed by the priesthood as you mentioned.
Your claim that Jesus instructed us to Love God and our neighbors is simplifing the Moses comandments.
Therefore weather its by law to observe or do the law is also through grace, if you truely have Jesus Christ, grace will enhance your ability to do as the law commanded us if not the bible say in Romans 1:28: “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.
Now this is where the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ promised us , that through him we can be able to discern and do the right things provided in the law.
Dont contradict grace for not doing what is right but doing rightously to obtain favour from God.
Therefore the bible is complete for us to follow and in grace we can obtain favour from God and if tithing will bring favour by grace why not tithe.
Dont forget the bible clearly stated that as the earth remaineth sawing times and havest time will never size.
Besides haven and earth shall passaway but the word of God will not ,which part of it that if not clearly stated should stop?

the word of God is Jesus who is the wisdom and power of God to us who believe but foolishness and insufficient to those who do not.

What I wrote to you is Spirit and life and not some theology for you to agree or attempt to argue against. But seeing as you say you cannot argue against it, it wasn't written for you to do such, like I told you, you are under the law and not under grace, so obey all of it.

You say you strick to tithing, but to whom does the very bible tell you to tithe to? The Levites, the poor and the like.

Do you tithe to them?

If you, do you give the full tithe, all three of them?

You say, "through grace we can be perfect and obtain favour from God." So then why do you tithe? You don't need to tell me, but it surely shouldn't be for favor from God right?

But you did write, "if tithing will bring favour by grace why not tithe." Do you now see you are confused do you receive God's favor because of Jesus or because of money?

If it was only just blood sacrifice, then why is circumcision no longer relevant under the new covenant? If your understanding was true you should understand this as well right?

I asked you, well you haven't answered any, but let me ask again, how does your paying tithe translate the obedience to obeying the command from Jesus to love? If you do not even understand that, when why then do you truly do it? You are you serving?

The Holy Spirit wasn't given to you so that you discern which laws of Moses to obey and which you shouldn't, it was given to teach us the word of God and bring to remembrance the teachings of Jesus.

Did you not read when Paul said those law are for sinners, so it cannot be in grace for there is no sin in grace nor room for the laws of Moses.

Who then is contradicting God's grace? Surely not me who depends solely on it.

Look you can either accept the truth Jesus taught or reject it and accept the lies of men, it's your choice and your life.

Seun:
Imagine if the Holy books could be updated? Like removing offensive verses that don't represent your religion anymore. For Christianity things like "(a woman) must be silent" and "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks" could be removed.

Before the printing press, religious books were copied by hand. The scribes took liberties with the text all the time, often at the behest of their benefactors. That's why in the NIV bible you'll see footnotes showing that there are multiple versions of a bible verse.

Some entire Bible passages were added by creative scribes. The one where Jesus saves a woman caught in adultery is an example. It's such a good story right? This shows that altering scriptural texts can be beneficial. That fabulous story has definitely saved many lives.

So why can't we improve our Holy Books? 😃

improve it to what end this time?

Tommydare:
If he feels king james version is not good, why not look for other versions?

that's why I don't support the destruction of the Bibles, there are other solutions and translations.

Uten9z:

I am under the law , what does that even emply ?
Jesus didnt come to abolish the law but to fulfit it, and by His grace we are made perfect.

That by living with grace i dont see why we should not obey or do what the law have instructed us.
If i count myself for instance to be partaker of Abrahmic law why shouldnt i live with the instructions that come with it, atleastst to the best of my abilities

what do you understand by abolish a law? Isn't it the one who gives the law that removes such law?

What do you understand by fulfilling a requirement? Isn't it when someone submits themselves and fulfills the requirements?

Now when the requirements are fulfilled, are they still of use? Haven't their purpose been meant?

Of are you saying those laws had no purpose other than what humans give to them?


Is there not a reason that the laws came first through Moses but instead grace and truth came through Jesus? Why do you think Jesus said the scripture and Moses testifies of him?

You write, "That by living with grace i dont see why we should not obey or do what the law have instructed us." Who taught you that? Who lied to you?

To live under grace is to live under the one who fulfilled the law, and that is Jesus and to live under Jesus is to obey the commandments of God. Do you not realize the difference and why Jesus mainly taught we should obey the commandments of God, summed up in loving God and our neighbors. Tell me of which of these commandments does your tithing fall under. Do you even understand and realize the Genesis of the levitical priesthood, a priesthood based upon laws that gives no credit to the priesthood of Jesus for like the author of Hebrews wrote, Moses said nothing about a priest coming from the tribe of Judah, yet Jesus was made our high priest by God, revealed through the psalms.

You said, If you count yourself for instance to be partaker of Abrahmic law why shouldnt you live with the instructions that come with it, atleastst to the best of your abilities.

What is the Abrahamic law? What law did God give Abraham? Is it circumcision? Did you not read the book of Acts, where even that has no place under the new covenant which covers both the circumcized and the uncircumcised?


If you choice to be under the law because of it's benefits then do you diligently to fulfill all part of it, but do not assume yourself to be under the grace of Jesus Christ.

Do you understand what Paul wrote

Gal.3.1 - Oh, foolish Galatians! What magician has cast an evil spell on you? For you used to see the meaning of Jesus Christ's death as clearly as though I had shown you a signboard with a picture of Christ dying on the cross.
Gal.3.2 - Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the Holy Spirit by keeping the law? Of course not, for the Holy Spirit came upon you only after you believed the message you heard about Christ.
Gal.3.3 - Have you lost your senses? After starting your Christian lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort?
Gal.3.4 - You have suffered so much for the Good News. Surely it was not in vain, was it? Are you now going to just throw it all away?
Gal.3.5 - I ask you again, does God give you the Holy Spirit and work miracles among you because you obey the law of Moses? Of course not! It is because you believe the message you heard about Christ.

Uten9z:
[/b]While some christains struggle with the convanant of tithing at some point, questioning whether they should choose to tithe or not, i personally have convictions that its an idle thing to do and its works for me.

Biblical verses like:
[b]Leviticus 27:30: “'A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord; it is holy to the Lord.

Numbers 18:26: “Speak to the Levites and say to them: ‘When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the Lord’s offering.

So while tithing was believed to be Mosiac law, Abraham tithed, There were one other form of giving to God by saceifice too and i believe if tithing is not an important practice Jesus Christ woundnt have reference to it in Matthew 23:23, Jesus talks to the Pharisees, condemning them for tithing to the penny but neglecting the more important issues of justice, mercy, and faith.

Malachi 3:10 "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.
This Is the verse of my concentration while tithing and it works for me anytime i apply the mystery.
Therefor this morning for those of you that also tith, my question is as such:
Can one pay my tith if he can before been asked do so during the course of sunday servce or weekly activites and join to be prayed or recieve pastorial blesdings during the calls of it or it most be declared as the practices were during the sevices time before one can pay and to comeout for prayers?

My concern is most time i feel or if i dont give it immidiately i get shot becomings in view of these verse
Deuteronomy 14:22: “Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.”
2 Chronicles 31:5: “As soon as the order went out, the Israelites generously gave the first fruits of their grain, new wine, olive oil and honey and all that the fields produced. They brought a great amount, a tithe of everything

"My concern is most time i feel or if i dont give it immidiately i get shot becomings" this is because you are under the law and not under God's grace

Plenty scriptures to read 😁 let me summarize them
Luke 2:1-7 Jesus is born of a virgin
Isaiah 7:14
[14]Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.

Matthew 3:11-17 Jesus is humble to accept baptism from John and fulfill God's purpose
Whereas the devil exalts himself but is brought down, Isaiah 14 Dan 10:13 by the Prince, Jesus. Meanwhile the devil goes about looking for whom to devour by first discouraging those who believe through persecutions 1 Peter 5:8-9. There is enmity like God said in Genesis 3:15 but the kingdom of Jesus is eternal, Isaiah 9:7

Even though Jesus died, his death was the fulfillment of the passover for us to translate from the bondage of darkness to the kingdom of God for in Numbers 9:12 They shall leave none of it until morning, nor break one of its bones. According to all the ordinances of the Passover they shall keep it.
And none of Jesus bones were broken as recorded in John 19:32-36, which is unusual because Roman soldiers break the bones of those crucified to hasten their death.

So we preach the risen king Jesus, whom we believe without seeing unlike Thomas in John 20
1 Corinthians 15:11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed. The Risen Christ, Our Hope

Lol you can read the rest 😁

GOD IS GOOD
ALL THE TIME

AND

ALL THE TIME
GOD IS GOD

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Atheism doesn't make sense

People like to justify themselves even as the expense of their hearts and souls