truthmans2012:


You worship the three daughters of allahh. Islamic worship today is the mixture of the worship of each of the three daughters of allahh.

Read it here:

www.nairaland.com/2287893/allah-loves-pagans-hates-jews

You know what, we have discovered that Muhammad was sent by the gods of Hindus:

www.nairaland.com/3216638/why-did-muhammads-name-appear

Honestly, I really do wonder if you, analice107 and your fellow Christian mates can talk without being abusive and laying allegations. If you really want to have a sincere discussion, it can be done in a mutually respectful way. An acclaimed loving Christian, as you all claim, would be displaying a hypocritic image when conversing in this manner. Please, mend your ways.

Kindly follow the following links for your information.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dO_C6-lkLM

m.youtube.com/watch?v=2FNPdR_1inA

winner01:
This Imam thinks otherwise.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsMccnb_270

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This is a response to your parish priest imam... enjoy watching..

Alhamdulillah, end of discussion. the truth shall always prevail...

unphilaz:


Thus in order words, you dont have the original yet you claim the one we have is not the original... Now since you have not the original, you will accept that the bible is what we will show that Jesus(Prince of True Peace) is not just man,prophet but Son of God.

Whether we all like it or not, the truth will always be the truth and it's always very bitter.

So, please go ahead with your enlightenment and kindly clarify to we your audience which version of the bible you want to use as a reference and the reason why you chose it in preference to the other numerous versions.

Thanks in advance...

unphilaz:


Hahaha.. please on one post, you refuse to accept the bible as the book referred to as sent to people in surah 16:43-45, however in your bid to show how father/son relationship (muslim mind) is a master/slave relationship, you made reference to the same bible... so what will you say now... are you by this accepting that the bible - is the book sent by allah in this verse

I guess your question has been answered in my last post.

unphilaz:


Aight, noted the bolded, now throwing the ball into your court, where can i find this revelation which the koran is pointing US to... can you present it up for us to use as yardstick to present Jesus Christ as Son of God! Waiting!!!



The italics is for another thread which i will explore further.



Since you did not address this you are in perfect agreement. However, we cannot continue until you present the revelation to Jesus Christ which we would use for this discussion.

Qur'an Chapter 5:46
And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat and We gave him the Injeel in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard (against evil).

5:47
And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.

5:48
And We have revealed to you (Muhammad) the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;

We believe in the Injeel which was the revelation given to Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him). The bible that we have today is the corrupted form of the original injeel revealed to Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him). I'm sure you will agree with me that the bible 'as a whole' cannot be considered to be the word of Almighty God. This is for the fact that this bible contains some remnants of the original injeel,it also contains words of prophets, words of historians, numerous contradictions, mathemetical and scientific errors, unfortunately, it contains some absurdities. Can we then attribute all the errors there in to the Almighty God? CERTAINLY NOT!

Despite all these, the truth left in the bible of today is sufficient enough to prove that Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him) never claimed divinity but was a pious servant and messenger of Almighty God.

Therefore, we muslims have got no objection in accepting that portion of the bible which matches with the Noble Qur'an as the word of God.

I'd like to state that my post here is neither to ridicule anyone nor to condemn anyone, it's solely for the sake of clarity and understanding.

malvisguy212:
so who was speaking if not the Jews ? The preceding verse indicate it was the Jews talking, the verse say "IN THEIR SAYING" how can you claim, it was the quran talking here ? Your lies is too much.

Malvisguy212dumb, you really are a problem to yourself. I even wonder how you get to understand yourself, I'm sure you will having a serious problem with that no doubt. There's really no point trying to make an unreasonable person understand a simple thing. Suit yourself Mr

malvisguy212:
nonsense, so you cannot detect the word of Allah and the Jews in the quran ? So it is the quran that is boasting ? This is embarrassing.

I've told you before, you have comprehension problem, you should be humble enough to ask when you are ignorant of something and you would be appropriately guided. Please don't boastfully disgrace yourself here. Even those more intelligent and respectful than you ask when they don't know. Please control yourself.

promise10:

This foolish islamic slaves, why must you seek support from the BIBLE, the book that you guys claimed to be corrupted.

Mohammed has made you people so confused.
But why?

You shouldn't try to shy away from his question by dwelling on the poison you have been fed with (or feeding yourself with) about Islam. He asked a genuine question, just answer and quit ridiculous accusations.

I don't think you should call other people confused when you yourself and your entourage are dwelling in the pool of confusion.

promise10:

Man, you think you are right.

U failed it a big time man.

You are wrong

Son(jesus) means the incarnate man of God, the spirit/word of God, the word made flesh.

John 1:1 in the beginning, was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

I'm not referring to Jesus alone here because you previously stated that you are a son of God too. And as I have further pointed out, God has sons by the tons in the bible.

So now, you are limiting the scope of 'son of God' to Jesus alone. It's either you are telling me that the bible is full of confusion or you just decide to stick to the part you want and discard the other which you don't want.

malvisguy212:
can't you see the lies muhammed told here ? Are you blind or deaf ? It is the Jews who are boasting here,
saying, “Surely we have killed the
Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah.” According to the
Qur’an, it is the Jews saying this. Think!
Would the hostile Jews call Jesus the
“Messiah” when they have rejected him
as the Messiah? It must be remembered
that the Jewish religious leaders even
objected when Pilate wrote a title saying, “King of the Jews.” (John 19:19-22). It is, therefore, illogical for the Jews to boastfully say that “we have killed the Messiah” when they did not accept Jesus as the Messiah in the first place. And if they did recognize him as the Messiah as this verse implies, would they have killed him? Whether they accept Jesus or not, the Jews will never make such a statement, sarcastically or otherwise.

I don't know why english language is causing a problem for you. Anyone who attended english classes in school would simply comprehend the verses. The messiah in the verse is the word of the Qur'an and for people [like you and the jews who do not accept him as the messiah] to understand who it's referring to, there's a bracket afterwards with the name Jesus in it. I don't know why you just want to compound your problems just because you don't want to accept the truth. If you have any other problem with the verses, kindly state them because this that you have pointed out is as a result of your deficiency in english comprehension.

malvisguy212:
Were in the bible Jesus use religion in describing His disciples ? The very people Jesus debate with is the religious leaders, the religious leaders are TRYING , but Jesus is saying TRUST in me. Religion is "TRYING" Christianity is "TRUSTING" .

Please, how did Jesus describe his disciples according to the bible?

Idol worshipers gbogbo...smh

truthmans2012:


No, you missed it. Allah is not the Father of Jesus. Allahh is not a father, he does not beget neither is he begotten. That shows he is not the God of the Bible who has many children, including me. Since he is not the God of the Bible, from where did he emanate after thousands of years Yahweh had been God? Allah is one of the 360 idols in Arabia, who used Muhammad to promote himself to the status of the true God. Muhammad must have realized that by now but lacks the opportunity to send a message to muslims. It is a pity.

It's now very obvious that despite claiming to be a christian, you certainly don't understand the language of the bible you are holding. If you don't know, let me educate you a little...

The concept of Father and son in the bible doe's not refer to the father that begets son, it's simply that of a God and His obedient servant. If you look well in the bible, The Father(GOD) has sons by the tons there in. Maybe you have never come across the verse which says... "All those who are led by the spirit of God are sons of God". I'm sure you know the reference, so I don't need to tell you that. But if you need that I can as well provide it for you.

Seek for the truth and it shall set you free.

truthmans2012:


Allah has lied to them that Jesus is not the Son of God. He said it is possible for Mary to have a son without a husband but not possible for himself to have a son without a wife. Unless islamic spirits (jinns) are cast cast out of their lives, they cannot believe Jesus is the Son of God.

Welcome Truthmans2012, you are here as usual... I'm sure you have a copy of the Qur'an...kindly read and digest the 112th chapter of the Qur'an for your information. That is simply the touchstone of theology.

Also from the several posts of yours that I have often come across, it's obvious that you are having a problem knowing the meaning of Allah. If that's true, you should try to humble yourself and ask those who have the knowledge before castigating mindlessly. You never can tell, you might be insulting the Father who has sent Jesus Christ of Nazareth without even perceiving it.

unphilaz:




By this its fair to conclude that you guys are ready for the below and probably more will follow soon...



Now, to put forth a standard which we will agree upon...

1. The Jesus Christ in the Scripture is same as the Isa in the koran...
2. You agree that the Scripture in circulation is the BOOK that the Koran spoke of and its same as when mohammed met christians... if you have any objection... please give us the BOOK refered in this Surah, if you have none, then it means the current Scripture is the Book.

To start with, The Noble Qur'an was referring to the true and unadulterated revelation given to Jesus Christ (Isa, Peace be upon him).

It is also important to note that the Noble Qur'an has only ONE version (That which is, has been and will always be exactly how it was revealed over 1400 years ago without any addition and subtraction there in) unlike the Bible which is known to have numerous versions.

I will like to ask, out of all the numerous versions of the bible, which one do you intend to use for this purpose and kindly give reasons why you will be using it as against other versions?

Thanks.

unphilaz:
Hia why are muslim so insecure...
hockey ....

Mustymatic....

etc

Please can you come here at least 5 muslims to start....this discussion on why YOU must worship Jesus Christ as Son of God....

You accept that He is Man... rightly so

You accept that He is Prophet... rightly so

But

You choose not to accept that He is Son of God... wrongly so

So come in and boast that you will convert and believe that Jesus is Son of God, if someone will show you... by simply stating it that

You don't need to seek for people who boast, it's simply a matter of clearing doubts. If you really have genuine points, place them and you will automatically get the attention that you need. If not, you will just keep saying the same thing all over again.

truthman2012:


Stop talking about something you have no knowledge of. This is the statement from Jesus:

Mathew 19:28
Go therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER, and of the SON, and of the HOLY GHOST:
That is the TRINITY for you.

Who told you Christianity is not in the Bible? You just could spew out ignorance.

Acts 11:26
Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called CHRISTIANS first at Antioch.

Chairman sir, I think you should read the bible properly before stating false references.

Mathew 19:28 states...
"And Jesus said unto them, verily I say unto you, that ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

Except of course you are quoting from another type of bible. Also, try not to be mindless of the bolded. I'm sure you understand simple english, except if it sounds like parable to you as always.

And as regards your second answer, it still doesn't prove that christianity exist in the bible... the expression in the verse you quoted which says 'The disciples were called CHRISTIANS first at Antioch'.... the question is 'BY WHO'. Who called the disciples christians? was it Jesus or who If you really want to be truthful as your name implies, you would admit that the word CHRISTIAN is merely a nickname given to the disciples in Antioch. Jesus NEVER referred to the disciples as CHRISTIANS and neither did he call their religion CHRISTIANITY. In fact, Jesus has never heard both words throughout his lifetime. But he certainly stated his religion and if you are a follower of Jesus as you claim, you would follow the religion of Jesus.

John 5:30
"I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement id just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."

This verse alone indicates a lot of things at the same time. Anyone who says he seeks not his will but the will of Almighty God is simply called as a 'Muslim'.

Islam is an arabic word which means 'Peace acquired through total submission to the will of Almighty God'
Muslim is an arabic word which means 'someone who submits totally to the will of Almighty God'

Open your eyes, read intelligently and learn the truth from that which you are holding. The real truth is there with you, it's just that you have so much poison your mind to admit it. Embrace the truth truthman2012, otherwise, there's nothing truthful about you as you always claim.

I wish you all the best.

truthman2012:
No muslim here is capable of telling us whether or not women too rub sand in their private part where there is no water for ablution.

My next question is: Why do muslims leave out the armpit and anus, the most smelling parts of human body when doing ablution?

unphilaz:


I have never tot of this but this is interesting.

You guys must be PORN STARS... I wonder why you are so particular about matters of the private part, especially that of a woman. What makes you soo interested in knowing how ladies purify themselves in the absence of water... You guys really need to know what to create threads about.

Arinze96:
https://www.nairaland.com/islam

The link you posted is the first page of 'Islam for muslim' thread and I could not find anything related to the snapshot you posted except if I'm not checking in the topic which contains it as there are numerous topics.

Nevertheless, as regards the content of the snapshot, I don't consider it as a rule. I'd rather say it's just to confirm if the user of that page is a muslim or not because just at the top of the page it reads:"Islam for Muslims: A forum for Muslims to share their faith. Muslims only please, even the moderators are Muslims."

That would be my humble response to you sir. Thanks.

Arinze96:
Can you justify the rule guiding the Islam section of Nairaland?

Kindly post me a link to the section you are talking about so I can check it up. Thanks.

Annunaki:


All the proof you need is in yourr quoran and hadith, then read my signature.

I can't stop laughing...
It's very obvious that this is a condemnation quest to falsely corrupt the minds of people. This is actually not a new thing. Even the staunchest enemies of Islam got disappointed in the end.
If you really wanna condemn Islam, then you would read through the Qur'an and authentic hadith yourself and point out any single verse or statement that goes against humanity or any contradictions there in.
If I were to judge Christianity, I'd simply point out the flaws from the scripture which you believe in and not by studying you or what people say about you.
Well, no matter how hard you try, you can never be justified.

I'm patiently waiting for your authentic proof because your signature doesn't provide any meaningful proof as you try to portray.

For you to say 1+1 isn't 2, then you should be able to prove your point reasonably and not stage or form a baseless story just because you want to say the answer is wrong.

plappville:


The kind ones are the moderate/modern muslims. They do not practice Muhammad quran 100%. Isis kill them too. They are considered rebellious to Islam. .

ISIS is not Islam, neither is boko haram and other similar terrorist group. They carry out their evil acts and hide under the umbrella of Islam as though that's what the religion truly preaches. Muslims all over the world, via several medium, have out-rightly condemned these evil atrocities and yet we find people blindly believing that all these negative acts are what Islam is all about. If Christianity is not condemned due to the terrorist activities of the KKK, then it's rather unfair to judge Islam in that manner due to the action of some ill hearted terrorists. And if anyone really believes Islam is that religion of terrorism, then at least speak with a valid proof.

winner01:


Boko haram kills people almost everyday, i dont see you on islams section trying to liberate potential terrorists. Maybe favour now has a diferent meaning kid.
.

Sir, please[b] Boko haram, ISIS and all similar terrorist groups ain't Islam and Islam is nothing like them.[/b] The same way we cannot condemn Christianity for the actions of KKK some years ago, we cannot condemn Islam for the actions of some terrorists because they all are not being guided by the true teachings of these religions.

So, Kindly change your view about that.

Thanks

Christians and Muslims are more alike than different if you truly analze the scriptures. Please read that which I have discovered. ~~ Robin
1. Jesus taught that there is only One God and Only God should be worshipped as taught in Deut 6:4, Mark 12:29. Muslims also believe this as taught in the Qur?an verse 4:171.
2. Jesus didn?t eat pork as taught in Leviticus 11:7 , and neither do Muslims as taught in the Qur?an verse 6:145.
3. Jesus greeted with the words ?as salaamu alaikum? (Peace be with you) in John 20:21. Muslims also greet each other this way.
4. Jesus always said ?God Willing? (inshallah), Muslims say this too before doing anything as taught in the Qur?an verses 18:23-24.
5. Jesus washed his face, hands, and feet before praying. The Muslims do the same.
6. Jesus and other prophets of the Bible prayed with their head to the ground (see Matthew26:39). Muslims do too as taught in the Qur?an verse 3:43.
7. Jesus had a beard and wore a throbe. It is Sunnah for Muslim men to do the same.
8. Jesus followed the law and believed in all the prophets, (see Matthew 5:17). Muslims do too as taught in the Qur?an verses 3:84, and 2:285.
9. Jesus? mother Maryam dressed modestly by fully covering her body and wearing a headscarf (hijab) as found in 1 Timothy 2:9, Genesis 24:64-65, and Corinthians 11:6. Muslim women modestly dress the same as taught in the Qur?an verse 33:59.
10. Jesus and other prophets of the Bible fasted up to 40 days (see Exodus 34:28, Daniel 10:2-6. 1Kings 19:8, and Matthew 4:1-Muslims do so also during the month of Ramadan. Muslims are required to fast the full obligatory 30 days (see Qur?an 2:183), and others take it a step further by fasting an additional 6 days to increase their rewards.
11. Jesus taught to say ?Peace to this house? when entering it (see Luke 10:5), and to also greet the people in the house with ?peace be unto you?. Muslims do exactly what Jesus did and taught. When we enter our homes and the homes of others we say ?Bismillah? and also greet with ?as salaamu alaikum? (peace be upon you) as taught in the Qur?an verse 24:61.
12. Jesus was circumcised. Circumcision is 1 of the 5 fitrah in Islam, so Muslim men are required to be circumcised. According to the Bible in Luke 2:21, Jesus was eight days old when he was circumcised. In the Torah, Allah/God stated to the Prophet Abraham that it is an ?Everlasting covenant? (see Genesis 17:13). In the Qur?an verse 16:123 Muslims are required to follow the religion of Abraham. The Prophet Muhammad said, ?The Prophet Abraham circumcised himself when he was eighty years old.?
13. Jesus spoke aramaic and called God?Elah?, which is pronounced the same as ?Allah?. Aramaic is an ancient, Biblical language. It is one of the Semitic languages that also include Hebrew, Arabic, Ethiopic and the ancient Assyrian and Babylonian language of Akkadian.
The Aramaic?Elah? and the Arabic ?Allah? are the same.
The Aramaic ?Elah? is derived from the Arabic ?Allah?, and it means ?GOD?. ?Allah? in Arabic also means?GOD?, the Supreme GOD Almighty. You can easily see the similarity in their pronunciation so this concludes that the God of Jesus is also the God of the Muslims, of all mankind, and all that exist.


But it's rather unfortunate that the true message of the bible has been tampered with as many christians know fully well.
I'm not trying to condemn anyone's belief but at least, you owe yourself the responsibility of finding out the real truth.

The very first chapter of the Holy Qur'an reads.. Surah Al-Fatha(The Opening)

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
1.All Praise are due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds
2.The Beneficent, The Merciful
3.Master of the day of Judgement
4.You alone we call upon and You alone we seek for help
5.Guide us to the straight path
6.The path of those whom You have bestowed Your Mercy upon
7.Not the path of those whom You have bestowed your anger nor the path of those who have gone astray..

Every muslim recites this chapter a minimum of 17 times everyday during daily prayers.

People feel reluctant when you ask them to read the Holy Qur'an and some people condemn it out-rightly, without even knowing what the content is, for a reason best known to them.

Anyways, it's your choice but there's really no harm in reading to at least to have an idea of what it contains.

Goodluck to Y'all

Annunaki:


Mohamed made far Worse pronunciations in the quoran and sahih hadiths and what the cleric said falls in line with ridiculous islamic logic. That said kindly stop referring to mohamed as 'holy prophet' cause there was absolutely nothing holy about the vile character.

Bring forth your proof if you are truthful!!!

No matter how strongly you criticize Islam, there have been those that did worse and in the end they always get disappointed...

Annunaki:
Islam is such a sick and pathetic religion

Sir/Ma, I'm sorry but's a very harsh allegation. It's a pity how people just quickly jump into condition when they get an information. Did the cleric tell he got that from the Qur'an or the sayings of Prophet Muhammad?

It's important to note that as far as Islam is concerned, anything that goes in contrary to the stipulations of the Qur'an and authentic sayings of the Holy Prophet Muhammad is not part of Islam.

If anyone anywhere tells you anything, ask him/her to give you his references. If no reference to back it up, then it's mere conjecture and formulations.

Not everyone who portray himself as a cleric really is. So please beware of what you chose to listen to and don't just rush into conclusion without any reasonable proof at hand.

It's rather unfortunate that people never want to hear anyone say anything good about Islam and if they do, no one will hear anything, but if one senseless person says something negative about Islam, you see all the enemies of Islam emerging from different angle to castigate and condemn...

When you get an information, check it up before passing it onto the third person.
Thanks

oglalasioux:
The OP has concluded from his research that Christianity of the new testament is the right religion. By saying that he has bypassed Judaism that gave birth to it. The conflict between the religions for superiority is in fact an indictment on their falsehood. To know God we have to look at the progress of the world from the beginning and ask salient questions.
1. Why is intelligence higher today than in the past?
2. Why is it that most of the creation stories from the holy books are wrong?
3. Why must most religion resort to blackmail for people to follow it?
4. Why are the African deities and shrines still active to this day?
5. Why is the universe such a vast place?

Let's look at just five out of thousands of questions plaguing mankind today. First, Christianity will say intelligence is rising because it is the end of times and the messiah is coming. Is that better than saying, "ah, maybe the human brain has attained higher capacities through evolution?" It is better than talking of an end that will never come.

Scientific discoveries have made nonsense of biblical creation stories. The bible said the earth is about 6 thousand years old. But the earth is at least 4.5 billion years old. Creatures are known to have roamed earth as far as at least 350 million years ago. Adam and Eve could not have been the parents of every living man because there are fossil evidence that man evolved. Consider mosquitoes, bugs and other dangerous bacteria and viruses. Surely the creator won't have the time to make such useless creatures.
The article said something about things happening by chance. That is surely correct. We might not fully know the creation story but surely the biblical account is pathetic.

Then we look at religion and it's blackmail for acceptance. Was the wars and killings of the Jews in Palestine really necessary? The bible repeatedly admonished the Jews to kill and destroy 'ungodly' people. Christian Europe engaged in massive killings in the same Palestine in the name of recovering 'the holy lands' from the infidels. The Muslims also engaged in massive wipe out of peoples during their own purported instructions from God.


But there is a curious thing; the efficacy of the African gods even after many years of Christianity and Islam in Africa. The deities and the shrines still work to this day. It'll be stupidity to say it's the devil that operates these African deities because God wouldn't have allowed the devil to rule Africa from the beginning of time to only about 300 years ago. Everything done by the African gods such as ritual killings, sorcery and magic are perpetrated by both Christians and Muslims alike if not worse. So one begins to wonder; if the African gods are really the gods of our ancestors why did they allow the white man conquer us? Unless you realize that the powers behind everything we know as shrine, deities, gods, miracles and prophecy is nothing but the forces of the universe in action, there is little hope in finding the true religion.


The universe is a vast place and it'll be stupid to think earth man is the only occupant of this astronomical entity. Life spread out to all parts of the universe from the beginning and it survived and took shape and course according to where it found itself in the universe. The universe is 99% chance. The remaining 1% is the Sower as taught by Jesus Christ in His parable of the Sower.

There is a power behind the universe. Whether that overlaying power is in human form or in the form of energy is what mankind doesn't know for now. But we do know one thing; that God and Satan as represented by religions does not exist.

Well done sir, it's very obvious that you know nothing about Islam and the Quran, but I'd gladly respond to you in that regard as soon as i can. Thanks...

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My guy if you notice Christians dont heap peace on Jesus because Jesus gives us peace.
Unlike mohammed moslems heap peace on becos he has no peace

Sir, It's true that christians don't heap peace on Jesus. This is not because he gives you peace, it's simply because your pastors and your bible of today didn't teach you to do so. We Muslims heap the peace and blessings of Almighty God on Jesus Christ, Prophet Muhammad, Prophet Moses, Prophet Abraham and all other prophets before them. This is what Islam teaches us, to have respect and value for all the prophets and messengers of God Almighty. They all brought the same message from the same source but some unfortunate beings along the line have altered the message and misled lots of people.

John 14 (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

First, why must it be the KJV, why not NIV or RSV or the several numerous versions of the bible. Why all the variations and inconsistencies? If you have never asked yourself that, you should start asking. I'm sure a lot of christians have never gone through any other version of the bible let alone knowing the difference. yet you find some quoting the KJV as if it's the original version of the bible. I suggest you go back to the real manuscript of the bible which came in Hebrew for a more reliable content of the bible.

Secondly, when you ask them, who does Jesus Christ(Peace be upon him) refer to when he says Comforter, they all hasten to say "Holy Ghost" as taught to them by their altered bible.

Let me educate you a little, go back to your bible and read carefully...
John 14:15-16
"If you love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father and He shall give you another Comforter that he may abide with you forever."

John 15:26-27
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the father, even the spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning."

John 16:5-8
"But now I go my way to Him that sent me and none of you asketh me 'whither goest thou?' But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he would reprove the world of din, and approve righteousness and judgement."

John 16:12-14
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now. How be it when he, the spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and he shall shew it unto you."

John 16:16
"A little while and ye shall not see me: and a little while, ye shall see me, because I go to my Father."

Christians claim that the Comforter in the verses above refer to the Holy Ghost. According to John 16:5-8 above, the criteria for this comforter to come is clearly stated. If you require anyone to interprete it for you, then there's a big problem. It clearly states that "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you."
which means, if he (Jesus Christ) doesn't go away, the Comforter will not come...but only if he departs, then will he send the comforter. I'm sure every christian is aware that the Holy Ghost who they claim to be the Comforter has been there even before Jesus Christ was born, it was even there in the womb of Elizabeth. Then how does the Holy Ghost fit in as the Comforter which will come only after Jesus Christ departs...Something to think of...

If you don't know, the person who is described by Jesus to come after him, in the above verses, does not comply with any other person but Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). This person who Jesus prophesied will come after him is called in the bible as "Paraqaleeta". This word was deleted by later interpreters and translators and changed at times to 'Spirit of truth' and at other times to 'Comforter' and sometimes to 'Holy Spirit'. The original word is Greek and it's meaning is 'one whom people praise exceedingly.' and if you do not know the meaning of the arabic name Muhammad, it means 'someone who's praiseworthy'.

27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Islam is a religion of Peace and the message if Islam is Peace. How else do you expect a messenger of God Almighty to address his people if not with peace? I'm sure you dont even know how Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him) greets... It's same way as all muslims do by saying "Salam Alaykum which means Peace be upon you"

Jesus Christ (Peace be upon his) is undoubtedly one of the mightiest messengers of God Almighty and he doesn't share in God's divinity. If anyone calls Jesus as God, then there's a problem. Perhaps you might want to explain what the trinity means and let's see how sensible and reasonable it would sound.

In fact Jesus is the Prince of Peace, that means He owns peace.

If the Prince of peace owns peace, then what will the King of peace own? Please be reasonable... He doesn't own it, he was sent with it by the King of Peace (Almighty God) as every other Messenger of the King was sent...

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

And who authored this verse of the bible, go back and consult the original manuscript of the bible and tell us if that's what is written there... I'm sure you are also confused on this verse but you just want to contradict yourself. First his father is greater than him, now he's the everlasting father... ERROR

And Jesus said that anybody that denies Him is an anti-christ, so mohammed is an anti-christ

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

This statement of yours proves that you are really ignorant of what Islam is about. This are the kind of people who go around spreading false information about Islam and try to paint every white black. At least, if you know nothing or you are looking for errors, pick up the Holy Quran and see if you'll find anything beneficial to your ill motive.

If you really want to know, no other Messenger of God Almighty has praised Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him) as Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) did. Jesus Christ was mentioned by name 25 solid times in the Holy Quran. In fact, there's a full chapter which was named after Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ (Chapter 19 of the Holy Quran).

To burst your bubble further, Islam is the only non-christian faith that makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him)
Hence, NO MUSLIM IS A MUSLIM IF HE DOESN"T BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST (Peace be upon him).

So who's the antichrist? Muhammad or YOU... Seek for knowledge about something before you pass a comment...

Now that why mohammed said he does not know what will happen to him, because he has no peace not knowing his end.

Sura 46:9
"I am not something original among the messengers,
NOR DO I KNOW WHAT WILL BE DONE WITH ME OR WITH YOU(MUSLIMS)."

as you can see Mohammed himself said he is not original, confirming that he simply heard the gosple of Jesus and changed it.

I corrected this verse of yours the other day but it's very obvious that you either want to pass a wrong message as had been done with the bible or your eyes mistakenly skipped my correction. Nevertheless, I'd correct you again...

Quran Chapter 46:9 says..
[b]"Say (O Muhammad):I am not a new thing among the messengers (of Allah) (i.e, I am not the first messenger) nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am but a plain warner."

I purposely made it bold so you don't miss it this time..

Here in this verse, Say (O Muhammad) clearly indicates that he(Muhammad) is being told (by Alah) to pass a message across. This verse is to let us know that Muhammad (Peace be upon him) has no knowledge of that which is going to become of him or any one on the last day, indicating that the knowledge of the unknown only lies with Almighty God the Creator. Whatever is being revealed to him is what he follows (which is one of the features of the comforter in your bible). He is only a plain warner...

let me equally point out a verse of your bible, I'm sure you have never com across it. You just pick verses that suits your purpose of discussion without reading through other parts...

Mathew 24:36
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my father only."

This is a definite proof that the final hour is unknown to any but Almighty God, thus Jesus' knowledge is imperfect like all other men; Almighty God alone is All-Knowing, Omniscient.

Mathew 24:39
And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face and prayed, saying, 'O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt."

It's obvious here that the person speaking is unaware of God's Will and realizes the fact that he is a servant of God Almighty. He, Almighty God alone Can cause the Change...

So please wake up from your slumber and EMBRACE THE TRUTH...

MY BROTHER YOU NEED TO FOLLOW JESUS THAT GIVES PEACE INSTEAD OF MOHAMMED YOU TRY TO GIVE PEACE.

So My brother, you need not attack a belief blindly in the name of redeeming yours. If you must critisize, at least do it with wisdom in a sense that the recipient and other readers will learn from it.

I will leave you with this verse of the Glorious Quran
Quran Chapter 5:48
"And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (this Quran) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and Mohayminan (trustworthy in highness and witness i.e testifies the truth that is there in and falsifies the false that is added ) over it (old scriptures). So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging away from the truth that has come to you. To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way. If Allah Willed, He would have made you one nation, but that (He) may test you in what He has given you; so strive as in a race in good deeds. The return of you (all) is to Allah; then He Will inform you about that in which you used to differ."

Search for the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall SET YOU FREE..

Goodluck!

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Please get this correctly. ALLAH IS SATAN, AND ISLAMIC IS HIS RELIGION.

It's very obvious you really have no Idea what you are talking about. Let me just briefly tell you some things you don't know.

If you say Allah is Satan, then you are implying that the Almighty God that the bible refers to as Father in heaven is Satan.
If you don't know, Allah is an arabic word which means Almighty God. If you also don't know, the Father referred to in the bible was being called Ellah by Jesus Christ(Peace be upon Him) whose language was aramaic which has significant similarities with arabic language.

Many people have this misconception that Islam is a new religion which came into existence about 1400 years back and that Prophet Muhammad(Peace be upon him) was the founder of this religion... In fact, Islam has been in existence since man set foot on the surface of the earth.

Islam is an arabic word which was derived from the word "slm" which means "Peace"
Islam simply means "Peace acquired through total submission to the will of Almighty God(Allah)
Muslim is also an arabic word which means someone who submits totally to the will of Almighty God(Allah)

By the way, whether you like it or not, Jesus Christ(Peace be upon him) was undoubtedly a muslim because he said it himself and the Quran confirms it aswell. If you don't know where he said it in your bible, then you haven't really studied your bible.

What was the Ka'aba before Muhammad's father was born? Why are all the rituals and ceremonies of the pre- Islamic Arab still held secret in Islam?

The Ka'abah was built by Prophet Ibrahim(Abraham) with the help of his son Ismail(Peace be upon them both) following the commandment of God Almighty.
Before Prophet Muhammad(Peace be upon him) was born, the predominant religion of the people of arab was idol worship and they had transformed the Ka'abah into a temple for their idol worship. When Prophet Muhammad(Peace be upon him) came, he retrieved and cleansed the Ka'abah of all idolatry activities because that place is a sacred place which Almighty God Has endorsed.

If you are implying that muslims worship the Ka'abah, then you are mistaking. No muslim ever worships the Ka'abah, Its just a direction where every muslim face when praying to God Almighty for unity purpose.
Then as regards the pre-islamic rituals and ceremonies you claim to be performed in secret, I implore you to point out any of it and how it's being done if you are truthful.

How was Ramadan celebrated before Muhammad's father was born, how is it celebrated today?

For your information, Ramadan is the name of the 9th month on the Islamic calendar and it is a month in which Almighty God has ordered us to fast which is clearly stated in the Quran. (Quran chapter 2:184-185)
It is after the last day of fasting that we observe the eid-el fitr celebration.

Let me remind you that the Quran is the last and final revelation sent to the whole of mankind through the last and final Messenger Prophet Muhammad(Peace be upon him). The Quran was revealed to him within a period of 23 years and whatever he heard, he speaks and no single verse of the Quran has been altered neither does it have numerous versions like some other acclaimed words of God.
So in view of this, I wonder where the question of ramadan celebration before the birth of Muhammad came from.

Every allegiance to the Idol Allah is still retained, and you come here to talk when humans are having a sensible discussion.

So with all I have said, I'm surely not passing the message to unreasonable humans who cannot seek for knowledge before ignorantly passing ill and baseless allegations.

If you can't sit, study and learn effectively, try not to spread false and unconfirmed messages.
Thanks

danidee10:


i'm not trying to launch an attack on islam or on you....but i've read so many horrible things about islam and i checked the quran and the hadith to confirm some of the verses and they turned out to be true....i simply can't believe in islam except all the teachings from the hadith are ignored...please feel free to enlighten me or share your opinion

Thanks for your comment about Islam. I've often come across several non-muslims who tell me same thing you pointed out here, but if I ask them to present the verses concerning the issues being raised, I found out that it's either they are quoting out of context or they they just pick a phrase of a sentence failing to read in full just to back their ill points.

An example of such is in Quran chapter 107:4 which says (so woe unto the performers of prayers)
The verses of the chapter is as follows..

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
1. Have you seen him who denies the Recompense?
2. That is he who repulses the orphan (harshly)
3. And urges not the feeding of Al-miskeen (the poor)
4. So woe unto the performers of prayers (hypocrites)
5. who delay their prayer from their stated fixed times,
6. Those who do good deeds only to be seen (of men)
7. And refuse Al-Maun (small kindness e.g salt,sugar,water,etc.)

From this chapter, anyone who just reads out verse 4 will come out and say the Quran even places a curse on those who pray not knowing the verse is pointing to a particular set of people.

So, I'd like you to kindly point out to me the horrible things you have read about Islam and I,d be glad to show to you the true message of Islam.

Please, I'd be expecting your response...
Thanks.