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Malevonent: LOL you can cringe all you want and it may scream desperation to you. However, there is always another perspective and the positive side is you may be doing yourself a favor with that kind of description. Because then you corroborate what you've written on the form as who you are and your field of work and of course your name tag tells even without being asked. So it can work in your favor. What about dressing up in suits and tie and fancy that you see all day long at the embassy that does not depict who really the individual is and their field of work? I'd rather be in the former category. 4 Likes |
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TheCongo2: It is very tough to revoke citizenship; That will be the state against the Immigration Services. The second scenario is one of those very likely. And most reasons they will revoke your citizenship will automatically make you ineligible for receiving a visa especially US visa because it will be considered Crime Involving Moral Turpitude (CIMT). 1 Like |
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TheCongo2: He didn't have to volunteer the info but if they find out, then its game over and 10 year ban for material fact misrepresentation. That being said, the question you asked is going through the VOs minds as much as ours. Why did they have to revoke his Canadian citizenship? Big question mark! |
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edimalo: They probably didn't even look at that letter from the employer. If you are employed, dress to the interview in an attire you would use with your employer. E.g. If you are a waiter, dress like one to an interview; If you are a flight attendant, dress as one to the interview. Also display your work badge or name tag these alone can speak a lot for you without you even uttering a word. 3 Likes |
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Demi007: Its better to state that you want to give birth than risk being turned away at POE. They are getting more vigilant at the POE nowadays. However, when applying make sure you back up your application with tons of evidence (FINANCIAL being most important in this case; no amount is too large for this endeavor as complications (touch wood) may arise and in that case bill can run into hundreds of thousands of dollars), if you have contacted hospitals, include those correspondences, reasons that will compel you to return to Naija after the birth (letter from work, work experiences / career prospects, spouse, social connections). And of course make sure you include a detailed letter with spreadsheet for the financials you will undertake not least about dates of prospective appointments, their costs, accommodation costs, average food costs per day, transportation etc. You cannot be detailed enough especially when the odds are against and the onus is on us especially for giving birth. |
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Whytelyon: US embassy hardly care for documents. Why? Because documents can be faked. So the DS-160 form is the precursor and the interview is the final piece to confirm what they would have made of the person and the reasoning behind the applicants need for a visa to the states. So prepare your form as well as you can, truthfully but most importantly prepare for the interview even better by knowing what information is on your form, your travel dates, your places of visit, your employment status (responsibilities, salary, experience, career prospects) etc. Be confident and answer questions with facts and to the point. Don't act panicky, sad, desperate or try to embarrass the VO. 4 Likes |
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LadyGuinivere: Ah how na; I jus wan make it easy for am; direct link. ![]() LadyGuinivere: I second this; However, I would like to add that since its non-immigrant visa in question you may as well get away with it and the VO might not delve deeper into it. But in case of immigration you will be denied 100% because the US will use its law which prohibits polygamy and bigamy so they will apply US law to the application and not the law of Nigeria. 1 Like |
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Jrevelation: www.google.com 1 Like |
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Obernix: I am no trained VO. However, if your exams or training or seminar is related to your field of work, then you stand a chance. But you have to remember that the invitation alone does not get you a visa. 1 Like 1 Share |
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Wumzybabe: They will most likely give you a 6 month entry. But don't think that far ahead, think about you being pregnant and going through immigration and customs. That should be your real worry. So be prepared, have your doctor ready and ENOUGH CASH ready because those folks are frowning on going there to give birth nowadays. And if you meet with an immigration officer or customs who is moody and one of the haters of foreigners going to US to give birth, then tough luck. So don't worry about your visa validity, worry about getting through immigration and customs first. 2 Likes |
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Polygamy is legal in some states in Nigeria but illegal in the USA and when you apply for a visa, they will take that into account for sure. But like you said, they have the perfect platform to make their case, that is the interview. There they have the opportunity to convince the VO with how they answer that particular question. So my advice to you is be honest and truthful; put in your application form that you are married and that may open up the question of your husband because you will have put his name on the form. Then they may ask if he is traveling with you or if he has a visa then answer accordingly as the form you would have filled will ask if anyone else is traveling with you. So if the VO tells you about your husband being married before then be rest assured that they know and are testing you and expect you to answer truthfully. ifyalways: Ah thats true o. Some people jus day vex anyhow. As per your question, travel experience is definitely important but its not the ultimate. I have seen people gotten visa with a virgin passport. And the VOs are so trained and experienced in people 'creating' travel experiences because they have seen it many a times. So you can try and travel to Korea but the VO might wonder whether you are one of the 'creators' for travel experiences. UAE visa anyone can basically get at any time and they know that so that won't hold too much weight. Traveling to Australia, New Zealand, Europe (and UK cos they have different visas) will definitely help your case. The important factor is whether you have something going on in Nigeria that will compel you to return once your visit in USA is done. Good paying job, career advancement opportunity, business, married (dependent on your age), children etc. Obernix: You can refill another DS-160 form to reflect the new travel date and update the appointment profile with the new DS-160 confirmation and reprint the appointment confirmation. Shinner2010: |
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I day for travel section because since many people wan run like me, I will like to give them advice on experiences I have encountered so as to give them a big chance of success. ![]() Whytelyon: ![]() NothingDoMe: 1 Like |
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Well sometimes its best to ask ourselves questions and put ourselves in the VOs shoes. Do you think being a programmer what is the logic behind you attending a conference in Lungs Cancer? Obernix: 3 Likes |
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I don't know what class of visa that may be but it won't be B1/B2 visa. And also be rest assured that whatever visa you will be issued will be annotated for the exams and the location you will be in and most likely only for the duration of the exams even if it is days. Osahon7: 1 Like |
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You already said its against the rules of the thread so why request? First thing first, you need to understand the class of visa you are applying for. Although they are mostly combined together B1/B2 when you apply for a visit (tourism) choose B2 in the DS-160 form and the appointment scheduler. Once you are issued a visa, in majority of the cases, you will be granted a B1/B2. However in some cases you are only granted one class either B1 or B2. That happens when they give short term visas like a conference or when VO is 50/50 on your application. hardeysholar: |
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Well there you go, if you have not gone for the interview, you can still fill in another application form and fill in the correct details. However, going to the interview with a different info that you may otherwise have gone for a prior interview you risk a 10 year ban for material misrepresentation. SO be very careful. Lizzypumping: |
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Possible scam; If your intended date of arrival is October and you have an interview in December You could be denied simply because what will then be the reason for you applying again when you wanted to travel in October; Unless you have something of the same nature that you would want to do. Then in that instance, you can refill the DS-160 form or keep the original form and then be ready to face questions then. Lizzypumping: |
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Thank you @Mslala I think I will move on together with you because clearly it seems maternal thinks we are being biased or ignorant with his own views and 'facts' that he is telling us. By the way @Mslala there are a few people here that have posted there experiences that have successfully gotten a visa even after stating childbirth as their purpose. I'm not sure what page, but if you have the time, you could go through again the thread and you will find it. Mslala: |
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Went to the US embassy for interview on Monday. The lady denied me because she said my child that I will be traveling with to the USA is a Canadian citizen so she cannot issue me visa. I gave birth to him in Canada and applied for Canadian visa and disclosed my intent of giving birth in Canada and all bills were fully paid. I was angry at her reasoning but at the same time feel she is being biased and discriminatory. Therefore I will be reapplying ASAP may be not expecting to receive an approval but solely to argue my points as to why she would discriminate blatantly like that. So at my next interview, my aim is to make sure I go in and once asked a question answer and bring up my previous interview and the reasons for my refusal and use that as an opportunity to put my facts and case across. I don't mind the application fee but I want them to hear it and make sure they hear it. 9 Likes |
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We are not here to get taught on governance or criticism or lack thereof. No one neglected the asian woman that racked up that enormous bill, it is totally wrong and one of the reasons the visa officers get skeptical. And yes it is not our business what Canadians decide upon, but in this point in time, jus soli is legal in Canada so whether the people living in Canada are happy or not about it then let them change the constitution accordingly and obviously this will not be a topic of discussion if that happens. But until then. Another point here the poster or couple of posts prior visa adjudication is subjective, and this particular officer showed that exactly that he is not one of the people that like jus soli. As @mslala said, one officer might refuse you visa and with the same documentations, another officer will grant you the same class of visa. They have absolute power to exercise. P.S. The rejection that you mentioned there is standard because the officer knows he cannot state that this person wants to give birth in Canada so I will not give them visa, then trust me that officer will be put on audit and possibly suspension because it is not against the Canadian law. SO its a normal template that they will have to give reason for a refusal according to the law and they hide behind the financial and asset things. I can tell you that I know of a serious rich man, with over 20 properties that each property is worth at least 200,000 US dollars and other assets that can amount to no less than 2,000,000 US Dollar and he has a business that turns over easily 200-300k USD on average each month and this individual has extensive travel history that use to travel every other week but has since stopped because of age. And guess what, he was refused Canada visa twice. maternal: |
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We are not here to get taught on governance or criticism or lack thereof. No one neglected the asian woman that racked up that enormous bill, it is totally wrong and one of the reasons the visa officers get skeptical. And yes it is not our business what Canadians decide upon, but in this point in time, jus soli is legal in Canada so whether the people living in Canada are happy or not about it then let them change the constitution accordingly and obviously this will not be a topic of discussion if that happens. But until then. Another point here the poster or couple of posts prior visa adjudication is subjective, and this particular officer showed that exactly that he is not one of the people that like jus soli. As @mslala said, one officer might refuse you visa and with the same documentations, another officer will grant you the same class of visa. They have absolute power to exercise. P.S. The rejection that you mentioned there is standard because the officer knows he cannot state that this person wants to give birth in Canada so I will not give them visa, then trust me that officer will be put on audit and possibly suspension because it is not against the Canadian law. SO its a normal template that they will have to give reason for a refusal according to the law and they hide behind the financial and asset things. I can tell you that I know of a serious rich man, with over 20 properties that each property is worth at least 200,000 US dollars and other assets that can amount to no less than 2,000,000 US Dollar and he has a business that turns over easily 200-300k USD on average each month and this individual has extensive travel history that use to travel every other week but has since stopped because of age. And guess what, he was refused Canada visa twice. maternal: |
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You may agree or disagree but its obvious that some of these border officials that you claim aren't fools are actual fools. You cannot just discriminate against someone because you personally feel what they are doing is wrong when in actual fact it is not wrong that's why its in the constitution. If the government of Canada feels this is wrong and wants to exercise the views of its citizens, then they should do so at the polling station and adjust the constitution accordingly. And for your information the officer that refused that particular lady is a prejudicial POS, as if you read her originally post, the refusal never stated anything about it being for the birth. So that alone should let you know that its personal and discriminatory from the officer. He/She is just bitter. maternal: 2 Likes |
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I certainly understand that point you're coming from. However, even if the interview ended faster than it did, the eventual outcome is the same but you would have given him food for thought as to him knowing that not what they think of 3rd world countries as they put it is like that. And trust me, the outcome could've have been different I cannot say for sure, but you arguing your points and case with facts will definitely not do you any more harm than there already is. The point you raised about him thinking for the people and hitting him with that would've hurt him bad because he sounds like a bitter, discriminative POS. And until the elections is over and they outrightly remove birth tourism from the constitution it is there to be used. Besides, there is a snowball chance in hell that they will succeed with this jus soli in this coming elections. If i were you I would reapply ASAP and write a strongly worded letter stating the facts together with the application and of course your US history may serve adversely but include the paid bills and every other documentation proving all was settled. I know its time consuming but sometimes when things as biased as this occurs to an honest applicant you don't let it rest like that, follow through then they may reconsider their biased views and besides no one officer is allowed to review your application twice to minimize prejudice. My wife after giving birth in Canada went to apply for US visa and the officer said she won't give her because she had given birth in Canada! I was perplexed and guess what, next morning i went forward and paid the visa fee for an imminent appointment and told her to go to the interview not for any other reason but to confront and argue the biased and discriminatory view of the visa officer. Lo and behold, approved visa. Mslala: 5 Likes |
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This is ridiculous to say the least. I feel really bad for you as this must have been very tough. What I would like to point out as well is having an interview is not necessarily a bad thing, for me it is actually a blessing in disguise and its better than being outrightly denied after doing online application. The officer mentioned about Canadians feeling of tourist coming to give birth in Canada as an issue. Whilst I would say you answered him correctly i think you should have been more expansive in the explanation and reiterate and may be give him a bit of history of Canada and how some of them became Canadians. Besides you are paying for the entire hospital bill or birthing center so therefore you are not denying any Canadian service time as if they hospital or birthing accepts you, then they are well equipped to take care of any patients they may register. Secondly, Canadians may not like birthright citizenship but it is not your faulty the people don't like it, it is in the constitution and its law that it exists like the US. So with all due respect for the Canadian citizens concerns, I think they are more concerned about people going to give birth and not paying for their services which I myself oppose as it is abuse of the system. And me being a law abiding citizen I will not under any circumstance abuse the law of another country. Again it is an opportunity for you to bring up that some Canadians themselves have had babies outside of Canada and they will continue to. The refusal letter you were given is a standard refusal template letter just like the US embassy. What I would like to say here is whether it is Canada, US or any other embassy we are called in for interview especially graduates, middle class workers, business owners etc, we should act like one. I should not be a graduate and engage in a discussion like a primary school student. We don't have to be rude in an interview but we have to do our research, state facts and be firm and answer with conviction. Some might prefer the documentation route but the interview is not a bad thing either as it will give chance to correct some mistakes one might have made and rebut them in case they have doubts about one's intended purposes. So even though you did well with the officer, I think you could've done better and argue your case more because the onus was on you at that time, you were 50-50 in the officer's eyes to be issued a visa or not and that was the purpose of the interview whether you will prove them wrong in their doubts. But again as you mentioned Canada visa interview are a rarity but for the most part seeing you had a US visa, its pretty much the same protocol and patterns amongst most visa application interviews. Good luck on the next one. Mslala: 4 Likes 1 Share |
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If I can remember precisely, its the maison de naissance the ottawa. So I don't know which one of those is that. |
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Good day house; As promised I would like to share my wife's journey after the successful birth of our child and through the help and tips from this forum we acknowledge and show our gratitude. So hence we would like to share our own story so others may benefit from it. Wife travelled at around 28 weeks and arrived in Montreal without any issues at the airport as we had always declared our intent of giving birth in Canada. I'm not sure if me residing in the USA did any trick but at the POE we were only asked a handful of questions and was let in without any issues. Now that is the easy part. The real issue came when we needed to get a doctor and hospital to register with. Through the help of others on the forum here albeit most go to Toronto not much experience in Montreal so, we tried walk ins, urgent care, family GP etc but none of them was successful. We then tried to contact the hospitals direct and some would not accept patients without the insurance card which only residents of Canada can have. Some of the other hospitals were requiring us to pay a deposit of between CAD$15,000-25,000 which for me was not worth it. I then proceeded to give my wife hotstepper's contact so she can get another option. Hotstepper was very helpful in offering her services but unfortunately she turned it down as she would not have any relatives in Toronto that would offer emotional help. Contemplated sending her back home to africa as 1. it did not make financial sense the offers the hospital were giving in terms of the deposit less the delivery (dependent of C or natural), 2. baby and mother per day 3. Epidural 4. Doctors fees and some other fees that I have even forgotten about. After a couple of weeks wife made some contacts and ended up choosing a birth center in Ottawa which was only $1500 cheaper than a hospital and only an hour and a half but does not offer epidural and if any complications arose then they would end up in the hospital. She did a tour of the birthing center and found it fantastic. I decided to go to Canada from the USA myself to check out the center.Pre natal and the birth center visits were conducted every other week to check the progress of both mother and baby and it was all smooth sailing and I travelled back to the USA. Arrived back in Ottawa 2 days to due date and unfortunately Wife went under 2 weeks overdue. On the day contraction started 2AM and made a call to the midwife and we were asked to come to the center at 4AM and off we went. Stayed at the center (i went to sleep at that time till 10AM LOL) and major contractions started at around that time and the actual labor process started. She came in at 3cm and later opened up to 8cm within a couple of hours. She was being attended to by 3 midwives and an elderly relative of hers who was extremely experienced in birthing and she was actually allowed by the midwives to chip in with her experience as they saw her doing some stuff that gave them confidence in her. After a long contraction period of sever pains and only about 1.5 hours of pushing, the baby came. A boy at 3.5kg healthy with no complications from either the mom or the baby. No washing or cleaning of the baby whatsoever, just wrapped in blanket. We had a choice of going home after all the checks on mother and baby was done or could stay at the center for 24 or 48 hours at no extra charge. Food and drinks are available a-la-carte and at any time of the day or night. We decided to stay there overnight and left in the afternoon the next day. Once we got home, they bathed and cleaned him. So tatal cost of the birthing $CAD5,000 includes the prenatal and after delivery checkups. They also did a home visit 2 days later to check on the baby poo and pee, as well as his weight soft spot in his head. Three subsequent home visits were conducted to check on the progress of the baby. Food, transportation are also a big part of this process so that should not be discounted. So my wife would spend about $CAD100-150 per week on food and transportation. Now to the paperwork. In Quebec unlike Toronto were you have a turnaround time of about a week to do the birth declaration/registration (i'm not sure which one), you will have to do Birth Declaration with the state of Quebec. After the delivery, the center/hospital will give a form to confirm that the birth took place there and you will be given a copy of that form which you will take to the state of Quebec to do the declaration, where you will fill the child's full name, the parents names etc. But the catch is, it takes 15 working days for this declaration to be entered into the states system before you even apply for the birth certificate. We did the declaration the next working day and the waiting began. I would think that the declaration may not take the whole 15 days and after 10 or so I went in to inquire and negative and went in 2 times after that nothing. Eventually just the 15th day it was registered late in the afternoon and the next morning first thing we went to do the same day service for the birth certificate as oppose to having it mailed out which will further delay it. We took the birth certificate and went into the embassy to apply for the travel certificate which was done the same day and we went to the passport office to apply for the passport and also chose the same day service as we had an itinerary that showed we will be traveling soon. We dropped off the passport application in the morning and picked it up in the afternoon and it was a 5 year valid passport. From the birth to the declaration to the birth certificate and passport application took exactly 3 weeks and they left 2 days later and i went back to the USA to fly out from there. All in all it was a mixed experience with emotional and physical distress. My advice to anyone seeking this journey, DO NOT UNDERTAKE THIS JOURNEY IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY OR MOST IMPORTANTLY IF YOU DO NOT HAVE EMOTIONAL SUPPORT WHETHER IT BE FAMILY OR FRIEND. BECAUSE YOU CAN PAY THE HOSPITAL OR CENTER ITS ONLY MONEY BUT YOU CANNOT BUY EMOTIONAL SUPPORT Secondly, you cannot buy the privilege of being a Canadian or any country in the west that offers Jus Soli citizenship as it is a key to traveling the world easily without much hassle and the medical and educational advantages that comes with it. No disrespect to my african roots as I am proud to be african. Mental and emotional wellbeing or the benefits of being a citizen. If you have family who will offer you that and financially capable, then bingo go for it, but if no mental and emotional support, even if you have the financial means you might regret. So it comes down to what is more important to each individual. 5 Likes 1 Share |
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I will update on wife's journey. Its been a long two months and haven't been on this site for a while. However, she has put to bed and since i was here earlier during her journey but went off the rails I will like to share her journey here. I will get all the info together and update the details on here. 2 Likes |
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Whatever your purpose of visiting is what you will put there. For birth its mostly tourism and there is an option for more explanation "Other" you can use that box to elaborate what your purpose of travel is. graceyoo: |
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People get angry when you try to correct them like a couple of post prior to this. I think its imperative for anyone who is interested in this journey to respect the contributors and make an effort themselves and go through the thread. Hotstepper: 1 Like |
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Even in america there is a perimeter that is cordoned for security. That lady was a security nuisance and she was duly held up and they were right. Regardless of whether Buhari has failed his country or not he is still the president and the commander in chief and deserves respect for his role. Offendersyoung: |
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I can conclusively state that 2-4 pages down there are couple people who had applied for visa for birthing purposes. One i can say had because i read it and there was another that was refused because I had read it. And no i am not going to pass and thanks for bringing up Dr Ayodele's current status on cash paying patients. Thats news but what you asked is not news because it has been addressed several times. Eilenora: 1 Like |
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Okay thats easy then since a notary can sign on it. Hotstepper: |
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