sweetjohn:
God is not trying to keep Job good, Job was good already hence why God was proud of him. God was happy with Job for his (Job) self righteousness, the devil was not happy that God was happy, hence he tried to spoil the mood of God, he did that by challenging God of Job faithfulness and righteousness to him (God), my dear this is a temptation to me and please you are not 100% correct of your definition of temptation. Temptation has many definitions some of which is trying to make some one angry, it could also be inflicting hardship on someone, it could also be forcing someone to do what you want, it could be persecution, it could also be threatening someone, it could also be arguing unnecessary with someone superior (or more knowledgeable) than you, it could also be twisting some one words to test their patient, etc etc etc... Another example where Satan tempted the patient of God is in the garden of Eden, God told Adam and Eve "the day you eat of this fruit, you shall die" but Satan counters that and told them "you will not die but instead be as wise as God". Do you even know the meaning of Satan; one of it meaning is opposing God, and why must he always oppose God? because he want to get to him... simplicito. Look at it God is love, Satan is hate, God is good, Satan is not just bad but evil, God gives live, Satan brings death and destruction. And that is one of the prove that Jesus is God (John 10:10). So my dear, forget this crap of can God be tempted, yes he can, in fact have been severally: in our world today a lot of people are tempting God some so called Christain included, when you take a life you can't create in the name of holy Jihad or any other means, you are tempting God, our politicians are tempting God, all terrorist group are tempting God, all fornicators are tempting God, all atheist are tempting God.. to crown it all, God said to Paul "why persecutest thou me" Act 9:4-5. God is tempted all the time but one thing you should know is that he will always triumph.

dude d temptation we are talking of in dis context is satan ENTICING Jesus who u allege as God to do a wrong thing. If jesus is God, Satan cannot i repeat can never entice God or a part of God to do wrong or evil. He can only entice man to do wrong. And if u say Jesus was both God and man on earth, it means his human side overshadowed his divine form for him to be enticed by d devil which is impossible because human form can never overshadow God form!! Never!!!

u said i am not 100% correct in definition, i am sure i am because dat definition is not wrong (culled from an ENGLISH Dictionary), na u wey talk say tempting na persecution, abi mood spoiling is temptation. Temptation is when u cajole, u entice somebody to do something bad. it is not my definition but the dictionary's. satan has already vowed to God that he wud direct humans to evil. he is simply keeping to that vow.

if people do evil even though God has laid rules down, they are not testing God, they do it against their own selves,they go against themselves and they wud bear the consequences not God. it wont affect God's Glory nor decrease HIS Piety. God's rules are simple : u do right, u get the reward (paradise), u do wrong, u bear d consequence(hell). if u fall foul of HIS rules, u are not testing HIM but you are doing yourself. Shikeena!!!!

JimaeChinko:


You mean the PERVERT PEDOPHILE PROPHET MUHAMMAD who married Aisha at SIX(6) and also repeatedly also broke All the supposed revelations he got from Allah each time he wanted to satisfy his PERVERSE SEXUAL MISCONDUT with ZAYNAB BINT JAHSH(THE WIFE OF HiS ADOPTED SON ZAID IBN HARITHA) and the rest of his Eleven(11) Wives and Concubines(as against the supposed the 4wives he instructed you guys to strictly have).

Sura 33:51- You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive whom you will. And WHOMSOEVER you DESIRE (her turn temporarily), it is no sin on you(to receive her again), that is better; that they may be comforted and not grieved, and may all be pleased with what you give them (different Kamasultra). Allah Knows what is in your hearts (Perversion). And Allah is Ever All-Knowing, Most Forbearing.

Even the SIX(6) year Old AISHA (HIS FAVOURITE WIFE BECAUSE HER VULVA AS A YOUNG GIRL WAS MORE TIGHT FOR HIS SMALL DICK THAN THE ONES OF HIS ADULT WIVES) that YOUR LORD AND SAVIOUR THE PERVERT PEDOPHILE PROPHET MUHAMMAD RAPED AND DEFIED had more SENSE than your Pervert Pedophile Prophet Muhammad when she told him:

"I FEELTHAT YOUR ALLAH(LORD) HASTENS IN FULFILLING YOUR WISHES AND DESIRES(How ever perverse they might be). (al-Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 311).


I guess if your pervert pedophile Prophet had wanted a sexual male relationship. He would gotten a New revelation from ALLAH for it. How are we sure he didn't have one because it's known from the Hadiths that he was a CROSS-DRESSER who loved to wear the female clothes of Aisha( I just can't imagine his walk-steps. He probably had ones like Bobrisky's own).

Your pervert pedophile Prophet Muhammad was denied sex after Hafsa who conspired with the other wives to deny him that because of how he could not control himself when Hafsa was away and instead raped Mary the Christian Coptic Slave.

He quickly justified his perverse desire with Mary with a new revelation from Allah in
Sura 66:1: O Prophet! Why do you ban(for yourself) that which allah has made lawful for you.

And to add insult to injury, Allah chastises Aisha and Hafsa for condemning Pervert pedophile Prophet Muhammad for having sex with Mary the Christian slave girl. Sura 66:3-5:

And (remember) when the prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives(Hafsah), so when she told it(to another i.e Aisha), and Allah(his accomplice in crime) made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her(Hafsah) thereof, she said: "who told you this?" He said: "The All-Knower, the All-Aware(Allah) has told me". If you two(wives of the pervert Prophet, namely 'Aisha and Hafsah'turn in repentance to Allah, (it will be better for you), your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the prophet likes), but if you help one another against him(Muhammad), then verily, Allah is his Maula(Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc), and Jibrael(a demon not the real Gabriel we know from the Jews), and the righteous among the believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers. It may be if he divorced you (all) that His Allah will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims(who submit to God), believers, obedient to Allah, turning to Allah in repentance, worshipping Allah sincerely, fasting or emigrants(for Allah's sake), PREVIOUSLY MARRIED AND VIRGINS.

Just look at the mindset and kinds of revelations your pervert pedophile Prophet Muhammad gets whenever he seeks to fulfill his perverse sexual desires. I could go ON&ON pointing out the perverse and depraved mindset of your Role Model Pervert Pedophile Prophet Muhammad. I put it to you(one of his head-slamming adherent) that MOST MUSLIMS IF THEIR LIVES are compared with that of their Pervert Prophet Muhammad that THEY LIVE MORE RIGHTEOUS than Him and this is the Man you guys choose to follow over the WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST who repeatedly said and proved that HE IS THE SON OF GOD in WORDS and DEEDS.

Isaiah comes to mind about people who have eyes but can not see. A people who are so rebellious lacking understanding who seek to go after their ways thinking they do this in service to the true God. I pray that you come to the real truth. Like I said before. This is no joke. You lack understanding.

Go read then come back so we can debate more.

Lol, now u choose to insult the Prophet after making clear your errors.
What a made up story!!!.

dis is d real story for those who reason.
The verses narrate d story

O prophet! Why do you prohibit what Allah has permitted for you, seeking to please your wives? Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
[Quran, 66:1]

Allah has decreed for you the dissolution of your oaths. Allah is your Master. He is the All-Knowing, the Most Wise.
[Quran, 66:2]


The Prophet told something in confidence to one of his wives. But when she disclosed it, and Allah made it known to him; he communicated part of it, and he avoided another part. Then, when he informed her of it, she said, “Who informed you of this?” He said, “The All-Knowing, the All-Informed, informed me.”
[Quran, 66:3]

in your desperation, u concoted a story, a fallacy.





now let me explain d story of Aisha for those who reason as well.

It was a custom in d time of the Prophet for people to be betrothed to one another.

She was once betrothed to an arab pagan, but it was cancelled. She then was betrothed to the prophet.

The act of betrothing, or the fact of being betrothed; a mutual promise, engagement, or contract for a future marriage between the persons betrothed; betrothment; affiance.
can u see it there a contract for a future marriage.

Mind u she was not married to him at age 6 or whatever, when she became of age i.e reached puberty and was mature enough before she moved to the Prophet's house and the marriage consumatted.
And mind you she could have said no when she reached maturity and the whole agreement wud b cancelled because d Quran says

O you who believe! It is not permitted for you to inherit women against their will. And do not coerce them in order to take away some of what you had given them, unless they commit a proven adultery. And live with them in kindness. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike something in which Allah has placed much good.
[Quran, 4:19]

Test the orphans until they reach the age of marriage. If you find them to be mature enough, hand over their properties to them. And do not consume it extravagantly or hastily before they grow up. The rich shall not charge any wage, but the poor may charge fairly. When you hand over their properties to them, have it witnessed for them. Allah suffices as a Reckoner.
[Quran, 4:6]

Can u see it?? i am just sighting for u the age of marriage and maturity clause in the verse.

A young girl in dis age cannot be compared to a girl of similar age 1400 years ago almost (one and half millennium). There would be difference in maturity, aging if u agree.

Aisha talked glowingly about d prophet in his lifetime and after death. She was known to be very intelligent and knowledgeable. What better husband/man could she marry if not a prophet of God she said.

Zaid bin Harith divorced his wife and took another. And the prophet married her. zaid bin harith was his adopted son not genetic/biological son. The following verses address that:

When you said to him whom Allah had blessed, and you had favored, “Keep your wife to yourself, and fear Allah.” But you hid within yourself what Allah was to reveal. And you feared the people, but it was Allah you were supposed to fear. Then, when Zaid ended his relationship with her, We gave her to you in marriage, that there may be no restriction for believers regarding the wives of their adopted sons, when their relationship has ended. The command of Allah was fulfilled.
[Quran, 33:37]



Forbidden for you are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your paternal aunts, your maternal aunts, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster-mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your stepdaughters in your guardianship—born of wives you have gone into—but if you have not gone into them, there is no blame on you. And the wives of your GENETIC sons, and marrying two sisters simultaneously. Except what is past. Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
[Quran, 4:23]

Allah did not place two hearts inside any man's body. Nor did He make your wives whom you equate with your mothers, your actual mothers. Nor did He make your ADOPTED sons, your ACTUAL sons. These are your words coming out of your mouths. Allah speaks the truth, and guides to the path.
[Quran, 33:4]

Call them after their fathers; that is more equitable with Allah. But if you do not know their fathers, then your brethren in faith and your friends. There is no blame on you if you err therein, barring what your hearts premeditates. Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
[Quran, 33:5]







The rest of Muhammad's wife were married to him as a gift or goodwill e.g Mary the copt from Alexiandria of Egypt(he freed her from slavery and married her), or he married them because they were widows who were suffering because they didn't have husbands to take care of them. He didn't marry them out of Love. God made an exception for that he married some of them out of goodwill. But He told him no more after that.


You (Muhammand) may defer any of them you wish, and receive any of them you wish. Should you desire any of those you had deferred, there is no blame on you. This is more proper, so that they will be comforted, and not be grieved, and be content with what you have given each one of them. Allah knows what is within your hearts. Allah is Omniscient and Clement.
[Quran, 33:51]

Beyond that, no other women are permissible for you, nor can you exchange them for other wives, even if you admire their beauty, except those you already have. Allah is Watchful over all things.
[Quran, 33:52]







Oga desperado, u are so desperate, u concoct and believe lies. Lol. Na wa oo. Contradiction, we showed u in your bible, den u resorted to concocting lies about the Prophet. And mr man, Muhammad(S.A.W) is not lord and Savior, he is a messenger of God. God Almighty(not jesus oo) the Creator is Lord and Saviour. i didn't insult jesus(Peace be upon him) i would never do that and no muslim wud ever do that for he is revered as a prophet of God, i only brought out u christians inference by your reasonings of God, ur contradictions and contra Truths.

fabre4:




One God three personality

Just like VP in sec skl there is VP special duty, VP administration and VP academics but the difference is they come together to form one

according to Christianity, God the father is the same as the son and the same as d holy spirit. All d gods do d same work.

but dis ur analogy, is v.p admin d same as v.p duties or d same as v.p academics. do they do d same work. the only common thing is the title v.p but they are not d same.
if they want to call them as a unit,
wud they say All Vice-principal or All Vice-principals
notice the "s"

so choose ur analogies right because it doesn't conform.

Let me giv u a good analogy.

Take a bunch of keys (dat has 3 keys)
now all keys(3) in d bunch open d same door, they are the same right!!!
now count them 2geda, 1 key + 1 key + 1 key==
is it equal to one key

or if they want to call them together as a unit
wud d grammar be bunch of keysss, or bunch of key.
a bunch is already a group of something, cannot be a group of One. 3 keys is not grouped 2geda as 1 key. They may be of d same type but they are still 3 keys not 1.

So u cannot call a group of 3 gods as one god, it is still 3 gods.

benji93:

I am a christian but i do not assume Jesus is God. So can you now think of a deeper meaning of the clause, given the clarity. You do not seem to understand my point too, you should read my text again, And there was no cotradiction in my text. You would have to be a son to be considered a first born. And i never asserted that Jesus is not one of God's creation, if you notice, i used the phrase " it could mean".Be careful to understand the context of an argument before replying. 1st John 3 refers to us as the children of God, In mathew 12 vs 50, Jesus refers to us indirectly as Sons and Daughters of God, so i was alluding to this description of believers, in my description of Paul's statement in collosians. God assumes all glory, and has the authority to confer the status of son on whomever, he does as it pleases him, he can decide to reason with man, likewise he can decide not to.He owes us no justification for his deeds, we are his creation. Just as he commanded light to exist from nothing, he said let it be and he was. The voice of god referred to him as his son, and that we must listen to him.The quran attests to the miracle of his birth, why would the event of his birth be different from that of the prophets before him or after him? Jesus was brought up in the amongst man, but he was not a man.His birth attests to that.

Now u are confusing yourself.

your first statement and i quote
"I am a christian but i do not assume Jesus is God"
and ur last statement
"Jesus was brought up in the amongst man, but he was not a man" (then he was what to you?)
now choose btwn ur 1st statement and last because u cant choose both!!!!

And i have not seen d type of christian dat says he does not assume jesus is God, dat is d basis of d doctrine in Christianity.

If he is not God(according to ur first statement), then he is something other than God i.e God's creation because there are only 2 things God and God's creation.

If you say he was not man(God's creation)according to your last statement, then he was God(to you).

You cannot hold two assertions contradicting each other. Choose one.

Dis statement "And i never asserted that Jesus is not one of God's creation," is also contradicting your last statement of jesus not being a man and it means u believe dat jesus is one of God's creation. let me explain d contradiction if u dont get it.

if he is one of God's creation (as evident in your statement) and he is not a man(one of God's creations), then he is what of God's creation, an angel, a bird etc?? can u see it?

Now this!!!! another of your statements
"The voice of god referred to him as his son, and that we must listen to him".
(now to you which kind of son, is it begotten or beliver under the guidance of God.)

JimaeChinko:



You can never glorify God when you dishonour his Son.

You are only a joke. I wanted to take my time to correct your erroroneous reasoning but I re-read your gibberish above and I understood that you have not a single understanding of who God is. You think you have but you don't. A case of an individual who is sick spiritually but thinks he is well and okay. The Words of Jesus in John5:39 readily comes to mind: "You study the Scriptures because you think that in them you will find eternal life. And these very Scriptures speak about ME! 40. Yet you are not willing to come to ME in order to have Life.

You can not possibly read the same scripture or the sayings of Jesus same way I did and spew the gibberish you wrote up there pretending you know God.

The problem is you do this in ignorance. I don't want to mention to you the verbatim words of Christ of the kind of crude Judgement that will come upon people like you on the date of Judgement because the gibberish you spewed up there is only a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and his work in the hearts of those who have readily come to Christ but won't be able to because of a belief in the type of gibberish You spewed above. This is no joke.

Go back and re-read the Bible properly and come back let's discuss the very sayings of God's Son OR you Can continue spewing "fables" from Scholars who have lost the path.

Lol, that gibberish is reasonable and u know it. Truth can never have contradictions. Oh and i have a very good understanding who God is. He is ONE(not 2 or 3), the Creator, the First, the LAST, the Absolute, The Beneficient, The Merciful, The Sustainer, The Wise, The All-knowing, The All-Seeing, Master of the Day of Judgment, the God of Adam, Abraham, Noah, Isaac, Ishmael, David, Solomon. HIS Glory unto no other.

There is no other god But God and Muhammad is his Messenger!!!

And i am quoting d said gibberish again 4 people who have reasoning to reason

The God that destroyed people who worshipped anything other than Him now turned around and said oya worship my son,(according to you ppl)
is dat not double standards
Or your saying that God now fathered his own son from his own creation,(Mary)
is that not accusing God of incest!!!!
Glory be to God, for he is above all that!!!

you can cry over that!!!!

wiseman1494:
3 parts, if u don't know u don't know. period!!

3 parts is 3 distinct or 3 same elements
For example a car. an engine is a part, a tire is a part, fan is a part.


1 engine part + 1 tyre part + 1 fan part is it equal to 1 engine or is a tyre equal to an engine!!! 3 distinct parts

or keys in a key bunch 1 key is part of the bunch
1 key + 1 key + 1 key is equal to what 3 keys (it doesn't matter if they are d same or different, they make up 3 keys.

1 god+ 1god + 1god is equal to what
or 1 toyota car + 1 toyota car + 1 toyota car ==

i wud leave u to answer that. pls answer correctly

Den u know it is 3 not 1.

benji93:

Pls do well to include your translation next time, the quoted scripture does not use "of" it uses "over",
Colossians 1 vs 15(NIV Version): The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation, so the quoted does not necessarily mean he is a creature, neither does it assert that he is the creator, i could interprete that as "first born, who reigns over all creation" now the meaning of the first born is a different thing, in the ocntext it could mean that Paul was speaking in relation to a consideration that he is a Son of God himself. So it is more agreeable to refer to a higher Son as the first born, it does not necessarily have to describe the person of Jesus as a creator or a creation, but it could be in relation to his(Paul's) status as Son of God. Notice i have used several but's there. The owrd of God does not always speak literaly, you need the spirit of God to teach you the truth.

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Colossians:1:15 (kjv) king james version
it is one of your biblessss!!! please pick it up

Now choose one. is d verse talking about jesus or is it talking about paul because i think from ur own words "in the ocntext it could mean that Paul was speaking in relation to a consideration that he is a Son of God himself"
u are trying to say that paul is a son of god!!! am not understanding!!!

i guess u wud choose jesus because if u say paul u are now saying paul is the firstborn to reign over all creation

i think english grammar says firstborn is your first child, now u say we shud not take d word of God literally but then why do u christians take literally verses that try to assert that jesus is God or Son of God.
one bible says of, another says over, contradiction in plain sight!!!!

which brings us back to dis !!!
whichever one it is of or over!!! firstborn na firstborn.


if the word firstborn shud not be taken literally den u contradict ur doctrine and ursef which says jesus is the begotten son of God!!! abi reason it well b4 u reply



First born of every creature, frm dat verse it is implied dat jesus is a creature, u are a creature, then why worship creature over CREATOR CREATOR IS FAR GREATER THAN CREATION OR CREATURE AND CANNOT BE COMPARED OR EQUALLED
when the CREATOR himself created evrytin without anybody's help. THE CREATOR does not sleep, eat, drink, die, poo, piss but he has a son?? to take over what when he wud never die, nor tire over his creations.
HE GIVES SUSTENACE WITHOUT ANYBODY'S HELP,
HE MAINTAINS THE HEAVENS WITHOUT ANYBODY'S HELP

The God that destroyed people who worshipped anything other than Him now turned around and said oya worship my son,(according to you ppl)
is dat not double standards

Or your saying that God now fathered his own son from his own creation,(Mary)
is that not accusing God of incest!!!!
Glory be to God, for he is above all that!!!

JimaeChinko:



"The Image of the Invisible God"


When you look in the mirror.

Whose reflection so you see?


Does it infer the image in the mirror is distinct from you standing in front of it?

Once people understand that YOU ONLY NEED TO MODEL AFTER CHRIST and you have automatically modelled after God then there would be no dispute about trying to divide them up like they some several gods.

1 Corinthians 1:18-31 comes to mind.

You honour Christ then you have honoured God. All of these dispute about emphasing that Jehovah or Allah's name stems from the fact that you have rejected his very image(Jesus) on Earth.

Lol u said "try to divide THEM up like they some several gods"

i believe in English grammar, THEM is used for multiple entities not singular ONE.
IT is christians dat say 1 is 3 and say it is 1. who is doing d division

And i believe dat guy u replied quoted dis
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Colossians:1:15

First born of every creature, frm dat verse it is implied dat jesus is a creature, u are a creature, then why worship creature over CREATOR CREATOR IS FAR GREATER THAN CREATION OR CREATURE AND CANNOT BE COMPARED OR EQUALLED

when the CREATOR himself created evrytin without anybody's help. THE CREATOR does not sleep, eat, drink, die, shit, piss but he has a son?? to take over what when he wud never die, nor tire over his creations.
HE GIVES SUSTENACE WITHOUT ANYBODY'S HELP,
HE MAINTAINS THE HEAVENS WITHOUT ANYBODY'S HELP

The God that destroyed people who worshipped anything other than Him now turned around and said oya worship my son,(according to you ppl)
is dat not double standards

Or your saying that God now fathered his own son from his own creation,(Mary)
is that not accusing God of incest!!!!

Glory be to God, for he is above all that!!!

patomberekpe:
This is the reason prophet Elijah told them to call their god,while he will call his own God,we all know what happened.i can't remember the name of muhamed doing wonders,let me shock you,the name of God can not do anything except the name of Jesus.

Lol. You said the Name of God cannot do anything !!! u mean God that created the whole universe, abeg wu b dis!!! I am sure DAT any pastor cannot say dis one ooo.

we do not worship Muhammad(S.A.W). he is a messenger of God. That God u said his name does nothing ehn, God the Creator, He is The GOD of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Joseph, Moses, David, Elijah, Solomon, Jesus Christ, Muhammad.
Whenever we call unto him He answers.

It is You(Allah) we worship, and upon You (Allah)we call for help.
[Quran, 1:5]
the jews call him Elloh, the arabs call him ALLAH, latinos call him Dios, yorubas call Him OBA ELEDUMARE. Yeah God the Creator!!!

Enjoyyyyy!!!! Lol

sweetjohn:
The devil tempted accused Job before the very presence of God without fear. He and God had an argument on Job loyalty, He tempted not just Job but also God. God had to prove to him that his servant love him so much, he took a risk to put his trust on Job never to fail him. That is a test from the devil to God, the devil knew God will still restore Job even if he falls but he might have succeeded in mocking God and making him feel disappointed, ever imagined if Job had failed? but thank God Job did not. Satan that engaged almighty God in battle in heaven, can do anything bro. There is one thing you should know he (Satan) can do anything to God and his servant but he can never win, this is a promise

Dude that is not tempting God!!! what is tempt
(transitive) To provoke someone to do wrong, especially by promising a reward; to entice.

so if satan is trying to turn job to evil, and God is trying to keep job Good, where is the temptation

from the definition of tempt
satan cannot entice God to do wrong u hear!!!!
satan can only entice man

abi let me ask you, can satan entice God or a part of God to do wrong.

if your answer is yes, dat means d human nature of jesus supersedes his divine nature. Dazz d meaning!!!

Now what do u have to say to that?

efficiencie:


How would you react to this:

Contradictions in the Qur'an

The Qur'an states that it is a perfect book preserved otablets in heaven (Surah 85:21-22). If the Qur'an is a
perfect book from Allah, then there shouldn't be any
contradictions in it. Of course, the Muslims will deny
any contradictions exist in the Qur'an, but they do.
Some of the contradictions below could be debated, but
some of them are clearly contradictions.
A contradiction occurs when one statement on a
subject excludes the possibility of another. The first
one here is a good example. In Surah 19:67, it states
that man was created out of nothing. In 15:26, man is
created from clay. Since clay is something, we have a
contradiction since "nothing" excludes the possibility of
"clay." Both cannot be true.
All quotes from the Qur'an, unless otherwise specified,
are from Yusuf Ali and can be found at the Qur'an
online.
1. What was man created from: blood, clay, dust, or
nothing?
1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of
congealed blood," (96:2).
2. "We created man from sounding cla y, from
mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as
that of Adam; He created him from dust ,
then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
4. "But does not man call to mind that We
created him before out of nothing ?" (19:67,
Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop ;
and behold this same (man) becomes an
open disputer! (16:4).
2. Is there or is there not compulsion in religion
according to the Qur'an?
1. "Let there be no compulsion in religion :
Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever
rejects evil and believes in Allah hath
grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold,
that never breaks. And Allah heareth and
knoweth all things," (2:256).
2. "And an announcement from Allah and His
Messenger , to the people (assembled) on
the day of the Great Pilgrimage,--that Allah
and His Messenger dissolve (treaty)
obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye
repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn
away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate
Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to
those who reject Faith ," (9:3).
3. "But when the forbidden months are past,
then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye
find them, and seize them, beleaguer them,
and lie in wait for them in every stratagem
(of war); but if they repent, and establish
regular prayers and practice regular charity,
then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-
forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
4. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the
Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath
been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger,
nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even
if they are) of the People of the Book, until
they pay the Jizya with willing submission,
and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).
3. The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham?
Jacob? Moses?
1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be
the first of those who bow to Allah in
Islam ," (39:12).
2. "When Moses came to the place appointed
by Us , and his Lord addressed him, He said:
"O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I
may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no
means canst thou see Me (direct); But look
upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then
shalt thou see Me." When his Lord
manifested His glory on the Mount, He made
it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon.
When he recovered his senses he said:
"Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in
repentance, and I am the first to
believe ." (7:143).
3. "And this was the legacy that Abraham left
to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons!
Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die
not except in the Faith of Islam ," (2:132).
4. Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who
worship false gods?
1. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be
set up with Him ; but He forgiveth anything
else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up
partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most
heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116
2. The people of the Book ask thee to cause a
book to descend to them from heaven:
Indeed they asked Moses for an even
greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us
Allah in public," but they were dazed for
their presumption, with thunder and
lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even
after clear signs had come to them; even so
we forgave them ; and gave Moses manifest
proofs of authority," (4:153).
5. Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
1. "Rejected were the messengers before thee:
with patience and constancy they bore their
rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did
reach them: there is none that can alter the
words (and decrees) of Allah . Already hast
thou received some account of those
messengers," (6:34).
2. "The word of thy Lord doth find its
fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can
change His words: for He is the one who
heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
3. None of Our revelations do We abrogate or
cause to be forgotten, but We substitute
something better or similar : Knowest thou
not that Allah Hath power over all
things?" (2:106).
4. When We substitute one revelation for
another,- and Allah knows best what He
reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but
a forger": but most of them understand
not," (16:101).
6. Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
1. "We took the Children of Israel across the
sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them
in insolence and spite. At length, when
overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I
believe that there is no god except Him
Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am
of those who submit (to Allah in Islam) . (It
was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little
while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and
thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day
shall We save thee in the body, that thou
mayest be a sign to those who come after
thee! but verily, many among mankind are
heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
2. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these
things have been sent down by none but the
Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-
opening evidence: and I consider thee
indeed, O Pharaoh , to be one doomed to
destruction!" So he resolved to remove
them from the face of the earth: but We did
drown him and all who were with
him," (17:102-103).
7. Is wine consumption good or bad?
1. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling,
(dedication of) stones, and (divination by)
arrows, are an abomination,--of Satan's
handwork: eschew such (abomination), that
ye may prosper," (5:90).
2. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the
righteous are promised: in it are rivers of
water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which
the taste never changes; rivers of wine , a
joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey
pure and clear. In it there are for them all
kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord.
(Can those in such Bliss) be compared to
such as shall dwell forever in the Fire, and
be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it
cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
3. Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On
Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a
sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in
their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss.
Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine
sealed ," (83:22-25).

Now u dont understand d verses, u falsely quote verses, u cherrypick without giving sight to preceding and next verses where conditions are always stated.

Now i am going to show that there is no contradiction. but u cant prove yours to me

In order:
this is Quran 19:67 Does the human being not remember that We created him before, when he was nothing?
[Quran, 19:67] created him
when he was nothing, the Quran did not say he was created from nothing.

Did God not create Adam from clay?
What were u created frm, a sperm that became a clot of blood (congealed)in your mothers womb? So yes the Quran can say sperm and still say clot because sperm turned into clot, so they are d same thing. are they contradicting.. it is merely stages.

this is Quran 52:35

Or were they created out of nothing? Or are they the creators?
[Quran, 52:35]



2. this is Quran 9:3
this is And a proclamation from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage, that Allah has disowned the polytheists, and so did His Messenger. If you repent, it will be better for you. But if you turn away, know that you cannot escape Allah. And announce to those who disbelieve a painful punishment.
[Quran, 9:3]

this is d next verse Quran 9:4


Except for those among the polytheists with whom you had made a treaty, and did not violate any of its terms, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill the treaty with them to the end of its term. Allah loves the righteous.
[Quran, 9:4]

(can u see now that u cherry pick without giving sight to d next or previous verse, dat is what isis, alqaeda do, maybe u are one of dem)

Now u need to understand that the polytheists(arab pagans) violated the treaty in existence, dat is why dis next verse was revealed. and still the previous verse holds ground

Quran 9:5
When the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists wherever you find them. And capture them, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayers, and pay the alms, then let them go their way. Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.
[Quran, 9:5]

Before u say jack, dis is d next verse, another condition Quran 9:6

And if anyone of the polytheists asks you for protection, give him protection so that he may hear the Word of Allah; then escort him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
[Quran, 9:6]

How can there be a treaty with the polytheists on the part of Allah and His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at the Sacred Mosque? As long as they are UPRIGHT with you, be UPRIGHT with them. Allah loves the pious.
[Quran, 9:7]
can u see i highlighted upright, dat is anoda condition meaning if they dont fight u, dont fight them.. any contradiction

Quran 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the
Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath
been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger,
nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even
if they are) of the People of the Book, until
they pay the Jizya with willing submission,
and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).

Please if u owe tax in lagos abi land use, wud LIRS or FIRS not fight u and subdue you till u pay the tax.

mind u jizya is a tax levied on a non muslim under the protection of a muslim government. if u dont pay your tax, u wud be subdued into paying it shikeena.
The Prophet(S.A.W) lived among jews and christians in medina. now u know if u did not know.

Quran 39:12
And I was commanded to be the first of those who submit.”
[Quran, 39:12]
Those who submit among his people (arabs) because he is not the first to believe in One God, and the Quran did not say first of those who submit amongst d whole of mankind.


And when Moses came to Our appointment, and his Lord spoke to him, he said, “My Lord, allow me to look and see You.” He said, “You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it stays in its place, you will see Me.” But when his Lord manifested Himself to the mountain, He turned it into dust, and Moses fell down unconscious. Then, when he recovered, he said, “Glory be to you, I repent to you, and I am the first of the believers.”
[Quran, 7:143]

same thing first to believe among his people, Quran did not say first of the whole mankind. Noah believed in One God before him.

What is Islam? Is the Belief and submission to One God, belief in his Prophets, his books, his angels(b4 u twist dis, it is belief in their existence), to give zakat(obligatory, very compulsory) out of your wealth, establish 5 daily prayers, embark on hajj(pilgrimage) only if u have d means i.e money and sustenace for your family.


Quran 4:48
Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives anything less than that to whomever He wills. Whoever associates anything with Allah has devised a monstrous sin.
[Quran, 4:48]

Yes he does not forgive if they die in disbelief as evident in d following verses of that same chapter

Repentance is available from Allah for those who commit evil out of ignorance, and then repent soon after. These—Allah will relent towards them. Allah is Knowing and Wise.
[Quran, 4:17]. Any kind of evil

But repentance is not available for those who commit evils, until when death approaches one of them, he says, “Now I repent,” nor for those who DIE as disbelievers. These—We have prepared for them a painful torment.
[Quran, 4:18]
can u see it in 4:18.







Pharoah
And We delivered the Children of Israel across the sea. Pharaoh and his troops pursued them, defiantly and aggressively. Until, when he was about to drown, he said, “I believe that there is no god except the One the Children of Israel believe in, and I am of those who submit.”
[Quran, 10:90]



Now? When you have rebelled before, and been of the mischief-makers?
[Quran, 10:91]

u see That God did not accept his repentance because he said in Quran 4:18

But repentance is not available for those who commit evils, until when death approaches one of them, he says, “Now I repent,” nor for those who die as disbelievers. These—We have prepared for them a painful torment.
[Quran, 4:18]






this is Quran 10:92
Today We will preserve your body, so that you become a sign for those after you. But most people are heedless of Our signs.
[Quran, 10:92]
i mean those verses are clear enough to any logical minded person.
And i am very sure it is dead bodies that are preserved not living ones!!!

Finally the last one

This is Quran 5:90


O you who believe! INTOXICANTS, gambling, idolatry, and divination are abominations of Satan’s doing. Avoid them, so that you may prosper.
[Quran, 5:90]

i capitalized intoxicants, please let me ask you are all wines alcholic

i am pretty sure that there are non alcoholic wines and beverages in this world. abi wetin b fruit wine

if u dont understand English, thus is Quran 47:15

The likeness of the Garden promised to the righteous: in it are rivers of pure water, and rivers of milk forever fresh, and rivers of wine delightful to the drinkers, and rivers of strained honey. And therein they will have of every fruit, and forgiveness from their Lord. Like one abiding in the Fire forever, and are given to drink boiling water, that cuts-up their bowels?
[Quran, 47:15]

do u see intoxicant wine or alcoholic wine in the verses u quoted

any contradictions


I have refuted and made clear all your claims satisfactory and logically, but u cant and have not refuted mine, what u give is "we should believe even though there are contradictions".

But truth never has contradictions it was always plain truth.. TAINK YOU. LOL!!!

alBHAGDADI:
You just keep saying trash. Why do you think satan can't tempt God? The same satan that has been opposing God?

He can tempt but he can't succeed.

Opposing God by waylaying humans, directing humans to do evil, not carrying jollof rice in front of God to tempt him to eat it. Lol. He tempts God's creation not God himself directly

alBHAGDADI:
He tempted a manifestation of God. Satan saw the opportunity to tempt God when He came in Human form. But in God's true nature, satan can't. Remember that satan has been challenging Good for long. Remember the story of Job. Stan was glad he finally had the opportunity to tempt God in human form. But he failed. Tell me which human will reject when offered the entire kingdoms of earth? Only God can cos He created the earth.

yet again satan wud not dare to tempt a part of God (son) or God himself. He no go try am.

So frm ur writeup, i take it u belive dat d human nature can overcome /overpower divine nature.
Oh God!!! such a blasphemy!!!

we aint talking about a greek epic here, zeus and hades.

My God!!! Continue in your ignorance!!! when truth has presented itself.

efficiencie:


The GOD you say is above such rubbish and nonsense...do you even know HIM. Do you relate with Him? Have you ever heard from Him? You have been praying often has He ever spoken back to you? If all the Qurans in the world were burnt would you know anything about Him? Ibrahim you so fondly speak of in your Masjids never read the Quran or the Bible or the Torah but He knew GOD, spoke with GOD and GOD spoke to him...do you have the same testimony as Ibrahim? Do you ever wish to be like Ibrahim? To be able to dialogue with your creator? You defend a God you do not know! You call names and get violent over a God you do not know and have never perceived...is that not foolishness...

i know u know d truth ehn!!!
Oh my Lol!!! Ibrahim(Abraham) is the father of isaac and Ishmael. I worship the God of Noah, Adam, Moses, David. He is the creator, giver and taker of life. The ONE GOD of Abraham, The ONE GOD of solomon, i worship HIM AND HIM ALONE.
AND U KNOW IT

and how u take know say, i have not perceived God's work in my life. i dont know, maybe u are living with me. Lol!!!

u know i made sense!!!Lol. Dat is why u say i have not perceived him. Una ehnnn!!! Lol

efficiencie:


Trinity is simple. Trinity says there are THREE PERSONS and each are in each other, by each other, for each other, with each other and on each other...Muslims preach oneness as a number. Christianity preaches oneness as unity. Muslims says there is only 1 GOD but Christianity says there are THREE PERSONS united. That is why we say Jesus is GOD, the Father is GOD and the HolyGhost is GOD, THREE PERSONS but yet one...

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

THREE PERSONS BONDED AS ONE...

The trinity is revealed in the union between a man and his wife...a man and his wife are two different entities but when they CLEAVE TO EACH OTHER they that were once two people become one, this is the oneness of the Trinity!

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Matthew 19:5 And God said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and unite with his wife, and the two will become one. GNB rendition.

Herein lies the secret to the Trinity!

Yet one alleged god stills says Our lord ourGod is one. He says "our" not "your"

CONTRADICTIONS UPON CONTRADICTIONS.
ABI NA CONTRA TRUTH SEF

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew:19:17 (jesus himself confirming one God).

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mark:12:32

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mark:12:29 (this cannot get any better "OUR LORD OUR GOD IS ONE".

i bet u do understand English yea.

alBHAGDADI:
He was tempted by satan cos He was in human form. He brought Himself low such that He took on Human form. That made satan able to tempt him. But satan cannot tempt Him when He was in His glory.

He faced the temptation to show us how to defeat the temptations of satan. Now we know never to worship satan cos Jesus never did as a Human despite satan offering Him everything.

So his human side overpowered his divine nature. abi am not understanding. Does human form defeat God form.

Does satan tempt God or a part of God.

or when God fathered his child(alleged) from his own creation Mary, mr ain't dat incest. God is above such rubbish and nonsense.

alBHAGDADI:
Read the below verse to know why Jesus spoke to those people in that manner.

John 1:11
10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.
11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.

And yet the following contradictions will not disappear

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew:19:17 (jesus himself confirming one God).

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mark:12:32

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mark:12:29 (this cannot get any better "OUR LORD OUR GOD IS ONE"


Yet again if jesus(peace be upon him) was God, dat means his human side overpowered his divine, when he was on earth or when satan tempted him. Can satan tempt God?
can a billion humans overpower God.

Jesus (peace be upon him) is a messenger of God, a prophet sent to guide the jews to the right path.

efficiencie:


That is not a proof bro...that is just a statement lifted out of a book...just as John 3: 16 is also a statement lifted out of a book and not a proof...you accept your suras are true and I accept my verses as true and we both have one thing in common we both do not have verifiable and testable evidence to substantiate our claims! We both accept our religion by faith and not by evidence...so Mr Muslim be content with your religion while I am content with mine...the end will tell the truth because truth outlives all lies!

Well yeah d truth never contradicts itself, d truth is truth, no falsehoods, no corruption, no contradictions, or CONTRA TRUTHS

alBHAGDADI:
He cast aside His glory in heaven and wore a corrupt human form. That form was the manifestation of God on earth just as God manifested in a burning bush to Moses. That manifestation had to be baptized. Why?

Because Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, He had to subject Himself to baptism so that we all can follow His footstep. That was why John the baptist wondered why Jesus was coming to him for baptism when he suppose to go to Jesus for baptism of fire. What did Jesus say? He said He has to fulfill all righteousness that's why He's getting baptized. And that's why we get baptized like Christ for us to be like Him and to be called Christians.

So if he was God, the human side overpowered his divine side(just look at ur reasoning). And also satan tempted him. evidence
Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Matthew:4:1


I know u would run away, u have not responded to my previous posts in dis thread and past threads.

overlook like u always do!!!

efficiencie:


The contradictions you see are those from a heart that will not believe...no matter how clear the Bible may be you will never believe. Believing implies accepting without proof or evidence but you want a Christian to provide evidence for his belief whereas even you do not have evidence for your beliefs...For example! A muslim said a man can marry up to four wives, then I asked him why four, why not three, why not ten, why not hundred, why not one, why four? His response was; I DO NOT KNOW! Now even the muslim simply accepted a doctrine as true though he has no real reason for accepting it...but these same muslims fight the Christians for accepting that Jesus is GOD without evidence or proof. That is what I call inter-religious hypocrisy!

Yea u can believe without evidence.
Lol, why believe in 1 contradiction over another.

Lol and about d issue of 4 wives, the evidence is revealed in the Quran. in Quran 4:3

And give orphans their properties, and do not substitute the bad for the good. And do not consume their properties by combining them with yours, for that would be a serious sin.
[Quran, 4:2]



If you fear you cannot act fairly towards the orphans—then marry the women you like—two, or three, or four. But if you fear you will not be fair, then one, or what you already have. That makes it more likely that you avoid bias.
[Quran, 4:3]

Topestbilly:
I like the fact that you confirmed the authenticity of the Quran.

But while you were doing your research you skipped some suras which i have helped you dug out.

Maybe you can give us further explanations.

Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I [/b]will take thee and raise thee to [b]Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. (3:55, Yusif Ali)


The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was. (3:59, Yusif Ali)



That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. (4:157,Yusif Ali)

of course you are one of those who cherry picks

these are d preceding verses as part of a narration.

The Angels said, “O Mary, Allah gives you good news of a Word from Him. His name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, well-esteemed in this world and the next, and one of the nearest.
[Quran, 3:45]


He will speak to the people from the crib, and in adulthood, and will be one of the righteous.”
[Quran, 3:46]

She said, “My Lord, how can I have a child, when no man has touched me?” He said, “It will be so. Allah creates whatever He wills. To have anything done, He only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is.”
[Quran, 3:47]

And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel.
[Quran, 3:48]

A messenger to the Children of Israel: “I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. I make for you out of clay the figure of a bird; then I breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave. And I heal the blind and the leprous, and I revive the dead, by Allah’s leave. And I inform you concerning what you eat, and what you store in your homes. In that is a sign for you, if you are believers.”
[Quran, 3:49]

“And verifying what lies before me of the Torah, and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord; so fear Allah, and obey me.”
[Quran, 3:50]

“Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.”
[Quran, 3:51]

When Jesus sensed disbelief on their part, he said, “Who are my allies towards Allah?” The disciples said, “We are Allah’s allies; we have believed in Allah, and bear witness that we submit.”
[Quran, 3:52]

“Our Lord, we have believed in what You have revealed, and we have followed the Messenger, so count us among the witnesses.”
[Quran, 3:53]

They (the disbelievers among the jews) planned and Allah planned; but Allah is the Best of planners.
[Quran, 3:54]

Allah said, “O Jesus, I am terminating your life, and raising you to Me, and clearing you of those who disbelieve. And I will make those who follow you superior to those who disbelieve, until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return; then I will judge between you regarding what you were disputing.
[Quran, 3:55]

i will make it simple 4 u if u dont understand, who are those who followed him? Answer: the disciples when they said "Our Lord, we have believed in what You have revealed, and we have followed the Messenger, so count us among the witnesses.”
[Quran, 3:53]

Who are those who blaspheme??

I would leave u to answer that yourself!!!

efficiencie:
Isaiah 48:12-16  Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last . Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The LORD hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans. I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous. Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

Rev 1:17-18  And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

The same title The first and the last spoken of by the prophet Isaiah and later John and the title belongs to he who once lived, died and is alive again forever more...who else is the person these verses speaks of? Yeshua Ha'Mashiach.


Rev 22:12-16 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.  Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 

Jesus keeps saying HE is the first and the last, the Alpha and Omega...who else has the right to use these titles if not GOD?

Philipians 2:5-8  Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Jesus did not consider it ROBBERY to be equal with GOD...What else do the naysayers need to see?

John 10:30-33  I and my Father are one.  Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Why did the Jews take up stones to stone Jesus? Because HE, JESUS, YESHUA HA'MASHIACH, OPENLY DECLARED HIMSELF TO BE GOD, BY DECLARING THAT HE AND THE FATHER ARE ONE

What other proof, do the naysayers want? No matter how explicit the bible is, they will always choose to believe what they want to believe...

but jesus responded

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John:10:33

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:34

If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
John:10:35


in dat verse john 10:34 "is it not written in your law that ye are gods " meaning why do u take my words literally when it is also in your law dat ye are gods and u do not take it in its literal sense.

Can u see d CONTRADICTIONS

alBHAGDADI:

2. Who can forgive sins?

Jews, christians and Muslims all believers that it is only God that can forgive sins. We see that in the Quran verse below

Sura (3:135) These are the ones who, when they commit any indecency and wrong against themselves, instantly remember Allah and implore forgiveness for their sins - for who will forgive sins save Allah? - and who do not wilfully persist in the wrong they did.

Now, if it is only God that can forgive sins, should a mere Prophet claim to forgive sins also? In the Bible verse below, we see the religious leaders startled when Jesus forgave the sins of a crippled man. They were startled cos they knew it is only God that can do such, so they said he was blaspheming. Jesus made it clear to them that a mere human can open his mouth to say I forgive you of your sin, but only a God can forgive you and restore what your sin deprived you of.

Mark 2:5-12
When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”
Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves,
“Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
Immediately Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, “Why are you thinking these things? Which is easier: to say to this paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, take your mat and walk’? But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the man, “I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.” He got up, took his mat and walked out in full view of them all. This amazed everyone and they praised God, saying, “We have never seen anything like this!”

You see Jesus forgave sins, something the Quran says only God has the authority to do. Isn't this Jesus showing that he is God?

3. Who is our final judge?

Old Testament

Joel 3:12
"Let the nations be roused; let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, for there I will sit to judge all the nations on every side.

More

Psalm 9:7-8
The LORD reigns forever; 7
he has established his throne for judgment.
He rules the world in righteousness 8
and judges the peoples with equity.

Quran
22:56) On that Day all sovereignty shall be Allah's and He will judge among them. Then those who believed and acted righteously shall be in Gardens of Bliss.
(22:57) A humiliating chastisement awaits those who disbelieved and denied Our Signs.

If both the Bible and the Quran agree that God is the final judge of humans, should a mere prophet claim to be the final judge? That is what Jesus Christ did in the verse below. He made it clear that he will be the one to judge.

Matthew 25:31-32
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

in others again, i believe u may have seen dis in previous threads dat u were a part off.


Jesus neva said to worship him but thy lord thy God in heaven. Again d following verses:

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew:19:17 (jesus himself confirming one God).

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mark:12:32

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mark:12:29



Now lets look at jesus christ as d son of god
What is d definition of son?

'A male child, a boy or man in relation to his parents; one's male offspring".
"A male person who has such a close relationship with an older or otherwise more authoritative person that he can be regarded as a son of the other person."
"A male person considered to have been significantly shaped by some external influence."


There are also many verses in d bible dat call ppl son of God: KJV
Read 1 Chronicles 22:10
Luke 3:38
Romans 8:14
Job 38:7

Frm dis bible verses above we can call various ppl as d son of God
Frm dis we can conclude dat christians falsely believe christ as a biological son of God instead of as a man influenced and guided by God

Lets even luk at dis, God dat destroyed nations for ppl worshipping anytin other than him will now turn around
and present his son for ppl to worship, is dat not accusing God of Double standards, not to even to mention fathering his own biological son from one of his creations isn't dat accusing God of incest.Glory be to God. There is no other God except Allah

Please respond because in the oda threads i posted dis u ran like u always do

alBHAGDADI:

2. Who can forgive sins?

Jews, christians and Muslims all believers that it is only God that can forgive sins. We see that in the Quran verse below

Sura (3:135) These are the ones who, when they commit any indecency and wrong against themselves, instantly remember Allah and implore forgiveness for their sins - for who will forgive sins save Allah? - and who do not wilfully persist in the wrong they did.

Now, if it is only God that can forgive sins, should a mere Prophet claim to forgive sins also? In the Bible verse below, we see the religious leaders startled when Jesus forgave the sins of a crippled man. They were startled cos they knew it is only God that can do such, so they said he was blaspheming. Jesus made it clear to them that a mere human can open his mouth to say I forgive you of your sin, but only a God can forgive you and restore what your sin deprived you of.

Mark 2:5-12
When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”
Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves,
“Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
Immediately Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, “Why are you thinking these things? Which is easier: to say to this paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, take your mat and walk’? But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the man, “I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.” He got up, took his mat and walked out in full view of them all. This amazed everyone and they praised God, saying, “We have never seen anything like this!”

You see Jesus forgave sins, something the Quran says only God has the authority to do. Isn't this Jesus showing that he is God?

3. Who is our final judge?

Old Testament

Joel 3:12
"Let the nations be roused; let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, for there I will sit to judge all the nations on every side.

More

Psalm 9:7-8
The LORD reigns forever; 7
he has established his throne for judgment.
He rules the world in righteousness 8
and judges the peoples with equity.

Quran
22:56) On that Day all sovereignty shall be Allah's and He will judge among them. Then those who believed and acted righteously shall be in Gardens of Bliss.
(22:57) A humiliating chastisement awaits those who disbelieved and denied Our Signs.

If both the Bible and the Quran agree that God is the final judge of humans, should a mere prophet claim to be the final judge? That is what Jesus Christ did in the verse below. He made it clear that he will be the one to judge.

Matthew 25:31-32
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

After all dis, the bible yet still contradicts itself in the following verses.

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew:19:17 (jesus himself confirming one God).

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mark:12:32

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mark:12:29 (this cannot get any better "OUR LORD OUR GOD IS ONE"

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John:17:3

You say jesus is God, one question for u
Can satan tempt GOD.
Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Matthew:4:1

satan wud not dare tempt God or a part of God.
pls respond

hotwax:
Why Mountains were created(?)

In the following verses, Quran claims that mountains were set on the earth so that the earth never can shake when human being dwelt in it.

(Quran- 21:31): And We have set on earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with them.

(Quran-16:15): And he has cast the earth firm mountains lest it shake with you…

(Quran-31:10): He created the heavens without supports that you can see, and has cast onto the earth firm mountains lest it shake with you…
It is clearly understood that Quranic author was completely ignorant about the geological reasoning for existence of mountains. He saw that mountains are huge and heavy. So, He (Allah) thought mountains actually prevent Shaking (Earthquake) of the earth. Fact is, this particular reason for existence of mountains is a direct contradiction with modern geological knowledge. Geology proves to us that movement of tectonic plates, or earthquake itself causes mountains to be formed. Besides, we know very well that, every year several dozens of earthquakes happen on earth. Then what is the result of Allah’s promise? Can we believe that, Mountains are there to prevent earthquake?

God should not be making mistakes

CHristians made the same mistake.

SO this issue of "My religion is better than yours" is bulshittttt

Mountain is a source of protection 'LEST the earth shakes with you'. (It is there in the verse)
it is not there to prevent earthquake but to protect lest one occurs .

It is not hard to understand d verse at all!!!

hotwax:


You started insulting me. Why the anger? Thats feeling of insecurity. You only go on aggression to cover a lie.

This is an example

God created the Heaven first or, the Earth first (?)

Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time He says that the Heaven was created first.

(Quran-2:29): It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

(Quran- 79:27-30): Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built ? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth


God shouldnt be making mistakes

Duhh, dat is not a mistake!!!

Frm Quran 79:27-30, he created 1 heaven, if it was multiple then it wud hav been heavens
Next, HE spread the earth
THEN from Quran 2:29 After creating things on earth for humans, he turned to the HEAVEN(not heavens, can u see) and made it into 7 heavens.
And HE set HIS ARSH(Throne) over the seventh one.



That 1 heaven he created before he created earth is where HIM and HIS angels were before he told the angels , he was going to create man.

Shikeena.

9inches:


The difference is here:

Jesus Christ is the only-begotten (only-born) son of God the Father, by eternal generation. On the other hand, Christians are sons of God by regeneration, i.e. by being born again.

Now tell me about your allah and muhammad. Let's see how your own belief holds up.

And still

ibtz:


Exactly!!!! by your analogy, if everybody who are called sons of God are held in metaphorical terms, then why must jesus own be held in its literal terms even though there are contradictions like ("Hear O israel, Our Lord Our God is one" , "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
Matthew:19:17 ,
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
John:17:3.) counteracting those sayings for it to be taken in literal terms!!! Shikeena mehn

let me refresh your memory

i believe i once said this

ibtz:



So there is only One God, the God of Abraham (Abraham being the father of Ishmael and Isaac) that created you and I, dat feeds u, clothes u etc. He is d only one worthy of worship.
The Jews call him elloh, d arabs call him Allah, Yorubas call him eledumare, latinos call him dios.

Hebrew and Arabic are quite similar in some respect because dey are semitic languages.

an arab says peace be unto you as Salam Aleikum, a jew says peace unto you as Shalom Aleichim.

Our Lord Our God is One ( i didnt say dat but Jesus did).
we muslims believe dat Jesus was born of a virgin mother and sent as a Prophet to the jews to set them straight. He was given the injeel, likewise moses being given torah and david was given zabur.

But still, i know u wud discard dis, afraid of change. but think deeply and u will know dat The God who created you is The Only One worthy of worship.

Salam Aleikum.

Salam

9inches:

If your mother calls me "my son", would that imply you and I are in the same right her biological sons?

The important point to emphasize is that Jesus Christ is the only-begotten (only-born) son of God the Father, by an eternal generation. On the other hand, Christians are sons of God by regeneration, i.e. by being born again.

Now tell me about your allah and muhammad. Let's see how your own belief holds up.

Exactly!!!! by your analogy, if everybody who are called sons of God are held in metaphorical terms, then why must jesus own be held in its literal terms even though there are contradictions like

("Hear O israel, Our Lord Our God is one" ,

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
Matthew:19:17 ,

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
John:17:3.)

counteracting those sayings for it to be taken in literal terms!!! Shikeena mehn

9inches:

According to you, they misconstrued his statement and was about stoning him. Then he refuted them to save himself by using metaphors. And when he was done, they still tried to arrest him for same thing he refuted?

Did you say you did not fall on your head as a baby?

Yet again for the third time, you ignored what i said u should not ignore. i would write it first. Dont ignore it again u hear

1.
if u say dat jesus was talking literally terms dat he was biological son of God, then we have to take other claims of Son of God in literal terms too, no exception right.

i believe d following are not my words

Sons of God
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.( Here Adam is called Son of God)
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14

2. it is clear he refuted them, but they did not believe what he said anyway, likewise they did not believe in him as Christ, its doubting him altogether. They were just looking for excuse to hammer him as they did to their previous prophets for calling them out. (criticizing them). They had a knack for disbelieving and rejecting their prophets. As evident in this verse,

There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
John:10:19

And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
John:10:20


And pls do not ignore what i posted as no 1