analice107:

Wait, Which God are you going to proof? Allah who never showed himself to Muhammed and never spoke to anyone else apart from Jibril, or which God?

will you invoke Jibril to help you proof that allah exists?

Let me explain something to you, the word 'God'
is a common noun, not is not a personal name of any deity. Every Deity have its personal name.
So, you saying because the arabs call allah god means allah is indeed supreme, you are way slow.

The arab god has a name, allah it is, Christians and Jewish God have a name, and it is Yahweh.

do not deceive yourself to believe the two are one, they are not.

They were Christians and Jews in the Arabic Peninsular before Muhammed was even born. They were worshipping Yahweh wen Abdullah his father served as a high priest to allah and his daughters, allat, manat and uzah.

Muhammed grew up and killed other high priest of other gods and destroyed the idols from the Kaaba where the image of allah was also kept, and made his household idol god over all others, those Christians and Jews never worshipped allah, they worshipped Yahweh. They never went into mosques to worship Yahweh.

Keep telling yourself silly stuff.

Why did muhammed command you muslims on his dead bed to kill every Christian and Jew?

Lol. Muhammad neva commanded anyone to kill every jew or christian, .dis ur lies and ignorance sef na wa oo ehn. D God of Abraham is the God of Muhammad.

Believe it or not. D God dat created Abraham is the God dat created Muhammad and as muslims we worship God alone. Feel free to think watever. There is no compulsion in religion

Pls where is d image of Allah. Lol

benzics:

Nice logic though, but that's all it is, LOGICAL CONCLUSIONS, not facts

But then ur proof dat God does not exist, is it logical or fact

analice107:

Can't you type from your head? must you copy and paste what your silly Imams said?

Well, in other words, you are saying allah is Yahweh? If yes is your answer, go ahead and "Say, Yahweh is God".

Lol. My silly imams. Wow. FYI am talkin frm my head ooo. If yahweh in watever language means GOD in heaven, not jesus oo, den yes but if and only if it is GOD the creator in heaven.

I av not even insulted ur pastors oo. My silly imams. Lol

analice107:

It bits me how a Muslim will want to proof that God exists.

Guy you are forgetting that allah never spoke to Muhammed directly before much less see him. And, since muhammed died, allah died with him, how may you want to proof this allah biko?/

Ur ignorance is so funny, i just had a good laugh. Maybe u dont undastand d meaning of Allah. Allah is d arabic name for God. Even arab christians call God Allah similar to d jewish word 'elloh'. Both hebrew and arabic are stems from aramaic. Peace unto you in hebrew is Shalom aleichim. In arabic Salam Aleikum. Just as d latins do not call God God, they call him dios, germans too hav deirs so do oda ppl wu dont speak english

Read also my post on d existence of God on page 6 (ibtz). I talked abt it dere

benzics:

Lol, so the universe is proof for Allah? A Christian also believes it is proof for yahweh, same to other religions.. Theistic view of God is flawed, that we know for sure doesn't exist!

O yes it is. Just look at it logically

Atheists often cite science ti make their argument against d existence of God. But the existence of God is manifest in human beings themselves. By using science, we all know what gravity is. D blood in ur body, is prone to gravity essentially meaning all volumes of blood will rest at the feet thereby not flowing, but there is an organ, the heart that keeps blood circulation. Now look at dis, hw did d heart com into existence if not by being created, it wasn't accidentally created by scientific theory of big bang!! But it was created knowingly to solve d problem of gravity in d human body.

Lets look at our sustenance
Our food grows out of the earth, is dat accidental too?

Or the atmosphere as a shade from d radiation of the sun flares which has destroyed many planetary bodies

Or is it by looking at our arms and legs dat allow for movement and lifting things on earth.

I can go on and on. Trust me i wud not finish in a day to show d signs of d existence of God.
[Quran 7:57]
And it is He Who sends the winds as heralds of glad tidings, going before His Mercy (rain). Till when they have carried a heavy­laden cloud, We drive it to a land that is dead, then We cause water (rain) to descend thereon. Then We produce every kind of fruit therewith. Similarly, We shall raise up the dead, so that you may remember or take heed.

[Quran 16:79]
Do they not see the birds suspended in mid-air up in the sky? Nothing holds them there except Allah. There are certainly Signs in that for people who have faith.


[Quran 6:38]
There is not a moving (living) creature on earth, nor a bird that flies with its two wings, but are communities like you. We have neglected nothing in the Book, then unto their Lord they (all) shall be gathered.

[Quran 41:39]
And among His Signs (in this), that you see the earth barren, but when We send down water (rain) to it, it is stirred to life and growth (of vegetations). Verily, He Who gives it life, surely, (He) is Able to give life to the dead (on the Day of Resurrection). Indeed! He is Able to do all things.

[Quran 30:22]
And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge.

ilynem:

After I replied you, I came on the thread to reply someone else and noticed you where viewing. I was happy. Because I actually thought you were replying me. But you didn't. First I want to thank you for your time. Like I said, you are teaching me and I am asking the questions. This is not an argument. First of, I want to correct your understanding of Psalm 91. One thing people fail to understand is that Jesus was not God on earth. He was a man. He was born of a woman, he was hungry, he got tired, he felt pain, etc. He was 100 percent a man. Why? You might ask. He didn't come on earth to intimidate us with his "Godness". He came to show us how we ought to live as humans. So how can God come on earth as a human I hear u ask? Is there actually anything God cannot do? As a Muslim. I ask u, is it possible for Allah to come to earth as human? Yes? Good. After all he appeared to Moses as burning bush. Why do you people think it is absurd for God to come on earth as man. Now let us not even talk about the Trinity, cuz that is a discussion for another day. You can start a thread on that and I will comment. Now the passage you quoted in Psalms was talking about us. Humans! The devil quoted that passage because he knew Jesus was God in flesh. Now let us talk about your "son of God" statement. Did you notice Jesus referred to himself as "Son of man"? This might shock you, but in Jewish custom, Son of God was nothing divine. Son of man on the other hand was a divine term. Proof? I will show you. Daniel 7: 13 and 14. “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.” now compare this verse to mark 14: 61 and 62.
61] But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

[62] And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Go back to Daniel and notice that the reverence ascribed to the son of man was one ascribed only to God. Only to God. And Jesus just called himself the son of man. And he called himself the son of man many other times across the four Gospels.
Now if you continue reading mark 14, you will notice that after Jesus made that statement, the high priest tore his clothes in anger. Why? The high priest knew Jesus was referring to himself what Daniel saw in Daniel chapter 7. And that is what they killed him because he called himself God.
But the funny thing is, you still haven't answered my questions. In case you missed them let me spell them out for you in simple terms.
1. Since Allah deceived the killers of Jesus that he died when he didn't, did he also deceive his followers? If no, then why did they preach that he died? If yes, doesn't that mean Allah started Christianity?
2. If the desciples actually knew he didn't die, then how come a false prophet like Paul(one man) overpowered the teachings of both Christ and his followers. But if they actually thought that he died, then doesn't that mean Jesus was a failure? And that the desciples he picked couldn't complete his Job when he promised them "greater things you shall accomplish ".
Teach Mr please. I am listening.

Either way if d disciples knew if jesus died or not, it doesn't matter because they knew he wasn't going to b with dem again. Jesus told them he was departing dem
he didnt say how. I believe by departing he can b raised tto heaven, for if God can create a being without a father, he has d power to raise ppl to heaven without dying. Elijah is a good case of dat. God has d power to do all things

D disciples didnt need to preach whether jesus died or not, it was already a common belief dat he was killed

Moreover all dis issues of terrorism in islam wasnt there until 1980 with d invasion of Afghanistan and arab gulf countries by soviets and americans. for a religion dat is over 1400 yrs old Dat tells u alot.

God is not responsible for d erroneus ways of man. I believe satan is. When ppl fall into wrong doing and suffering, history suggests dat God takes his time to provide guidance to d ppl. There r many stories dat can relate to dat: isrealites in egypt, d yr btwn Adam and Noah which was a thousand years in btwn which ppl had fallen into idol worship.

felixomor:


Stop the yo-yo dancing

Please answer the op's question from the firat page and please answer in detail with reference.

But i av ansad nw. Pls read my post

felixomor:


Asfar as the discussion of this thread is concerned,

Asfar as That question by the op remains unanswered...

It is the conclusion.

D disciples believed in d worship of God and God alone.But d spread of christianity is attributed to paul who was not even a disciple.
Dere are many verses in d bible dat says worship only one God

Matthew 19:16-17
Mark 12:32-34
John 17:3
Mark 12:28-30

Jesus neva said to worship him but thy lord thy God in heaven.
Now lets look at jesus christ as d son of god
What is d definition of son?

'A male child, a boy or man in relation to his parents; one's male offspring".
"A male person who has such a close relationship with an older or otherwise more authoritative person that he can be regarded as a son of the other person."
"A male person considered to have been significantly shaped by some external influence."


There are also many verses in d bible dat call ppl son of God: KJV
Read 1 Chronicles 22:10
Luke 3:38
Romans 8:14
Job 38:7

Frm dis bible verses above we can call various ppl as d son of God
Frm dis we can conclude dat christians falsely believe christ as a biological son of God instead of as a man influenced and guided by God

Lets eveb luk at dis, God dat destroyed nations for ppl worshipping anytin other than him will now turn around
and present his son for ppl to worship, is dat not accusing God of Double standards, not to even to mention fathering his own biological son from one of his creations isn't dat accusing God of incest.Glory be to God. There is no other God except Allah

LifestyleTonite:
So, the quran tells you to fight those who fight you? Is that a good thing to do? See what Christ said below


Mathew 5:44

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;


Now, which religion is more peaceful?

Fight in these context means dose wu want to kill u not dose insulting yu. I believe jesus did nt say smile and bless d one dat wants to kill u

Islam is peace it does not tell u to b aggresive to dose wu insult u, but stand against oppression and fight (strive) for justice.

felixomor:


Good.
Conclusion: Allah Caused Christianity to spread

Just like Idol Worship still reigns till today. Wud u den say God allowed d spread of idol worship

alBHAGDADI:
so the quran tells you to attack if they attack you first. See what YAHSHUA said below concerning such situations.

Mathew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Can you now see which religion is peaceful? Moreover, did the people of north africa, spain and portugal attack middle east muslims before muslims decided to invade europe and north africa? NO

Jesus neva said u shud bless ur enemy when he is trying to kill u at all cost. If someone wants to kill u, u bless him shay?

The Quran says
[Quran 16:125]
Invite all to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching, and argue with them in ways that are the best. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.

annunaki2:


Is it the same terror manual labelled as the quoran that instructs muslims to fight Christians and Jews and curses them in quoran 9:29-30 that you are talking about

And since when did that poorly piece of thrash that has brought so much misery to mankind called the quoran become credible? It might be the words of your Arabian pagan idol called Allah but it's certainly not the words of the one true God.

It was clearly instructed to all muslims to fight against only those who fight you i.e those who attack u first and refrain frm dem if dey withdraw.
[Quran 2:190]
And fight in the Way of Allâh those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allâh likes not the transgressors.
Quran 2:191
And kill them wherever u find them and Turn them out from WHERE THEY HAVE TURNED YOU OUT. AND AL-FITNAH(POLYTHEISM) is worse than killing, And fight not them at Al-Makkah unless they first fight u there. But if they attack you, then kill then. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
Quran 2:192
But if they cease, then Allah is oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Frm dis verses above, it is stated dat attack only if u r attacked first and refrain if they cease.

Now going to Quran 9:29-30
Quran chapter 9 Surah At-Taubah was revealed during d truce between d muslims and Arab pagans who in d whole of d Quran are referred to as d disbelievrs. Quran nevet mentioned christians and jews as disbelievers but refers to dem as people of the book (past Scriptures).

Since it was commanded that U shud not attack until u are attackef first, this verse does not come into effect until u r attacked first.

Moreover, the Prophet (S.A.W) neva fought with d jews or christians, he lived with dem in peace in medina after
arab pagans had sought to kill him in mecca.
There is also d story of Negus in abyssinia a christian king in modern day ethiopia who the Prophet sent some muslims to afta untold killings and persecution of muslims in mecca.

ilynem:
Before I start, I want to say I am a Christian. And also I want to plead that this thread is not intended to spread vile or religious war between nairalanders as I just want a sincere and honest answer from our Muslim brothers and sisters.
I have the Quaran in my phone because I am a man who loves to search for the truth. So in Surah Chapter 4, it was stated that Jesus didn't die, instead it was made to look like he did and Allah took him. So Allah made it to look like he was killed but he wasn't really killed. Now looking at this, it is just a simple statement but the controversy lies with Jesus followers. Now Jesus followers went about spreading the news of His death and resurrection and I can only raise two conclusions from this.
1. Jesus followers knew he didn't die and decided to lie to that world that he did.
2. Jesus followers also believed he died and resurrected which means Allah also made them believe he died on the cross.
Now, number one is unlikely, because these followers were tortured and killed for their beliefs and not one of them decided to change his story. I wouldn't die for a lie and what did they stand to gain by lying? Liars make bad martyrs.
So this leaves us with option 2 which means Allah also made them believe Jesus died. And then they went around spreading a false message which they believed all because of Allah himself. So Allah's actions actually started the spread of the biggest belief system in the world. And He had to wait 600 years to correct this erroneous message through the prophet Muhammad.
This is not the only conclusion to that verse. This also means that Jesus in Islam was a monumental failure. What did he actually accomplish? His virgin birth, miracles and all was for nothing because his closest followers went around spreading a false message. This also questions Jesus judgement! He can form a bird from clay and make it come alive but can't choose followers to spread the right message?
Like I said, I don't intend to start any religious war, I just want a perfect explanation. Thank you.

Frm ur post u said d followers were totured and killed. Hw wud dey spread d message if dey r dead

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What are ur proofs dat God does not exist and i will proof to u dat he does

Why cant u giv ur tithes directly to d poor and needy instead of pastors.

LifestyleTonite:

That was moses instructing the nation of israel as their constitution meant for them alone and no one else, be it christian or arab. Mind you, those laws have been abolished by christ and even the israelites of today dont practice them anymore.

This verse was Christ himself speaking a parable.

Perhaps you dont know that parables aren't taken literally.

But Jesus himself was only sent to the jews alone.
Proof : read d story frm Matthew 15:22-28
It states clearly within dose verses"i am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of isreal"
Effectively refusing dat cannan woman because she was not an isrealite.

LifestyleTonite:
THE word fulfill means different things. We can only understand the context in which christ used the word by checking out his actions in regards to the laws. If he had come to continue with the law, as most of you try to believe, he wont have stopped the mob from stoning that woman for adultery/fornication, cos stopping them is him going against the law that permits the stoning of her kind.
He wont have also gone against the sabbath day. He wont have also preached peace and forgiveness instead of the an eye for an eye prescribed by the law. This means that he came to bring the laws to an end. Now, which of the meanings of the word [b]fulfill[/b]best describes the actions of christ in regards to the laws?


MERRIEM WEBSTER

Definition of fulfill

archaic : to make full : fill <her subtle, warm, and golden breath … fulfills him with beatitude — Alfred Tennyson>
2
a : to put into effect : execute <He fulfilled his pledge to cut taxes.>
b : to meet the requirements of (a business order) <Their order for more TVs was promptly fulfilled.>
c : to bring to an end <she came to install herself and fulfill her time at the house — Willa Cather>
d : to measure up to : satisfy <She hasn't yet fulfilled the requirements needed to graduate.>

Yu just ur sef in d foot by perfectly bringing meriem webster. To fulfill is not to bring to an end, its to Execute in all known faculties of english. Yes Jesus
Tempered justice with mercy, so did moses, did solomon, david and previous prophets of God. They were given d grace of God to do dat because they were God's Holy servants and representative thru wich God communicated all commandments and directive.

Going further Allah says in the Holy Quran

[Quran 16:125]
Invite all to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching, and argue with them in ways that are the best. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided. best

The Holy Quran says in respect to d hypocritic translation of the Quran by some ppl on dis topic
.
Quran 2:190
And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah lukes bot tge transgressors.
(This is the first verse in the Quran that was revealed in connection with jihad)

From here it is clear it says fight only and only those who fight you but (there is a but clearly also) do not transgress the limits. What are d limits do not kill innocent ppl, there is a verse that supports dis
Quran 5:32
Whosoever kills an innocenr being its like he has killed
All human beings and whosoever saves a life its like he has saved all human beings

LifestyleTonite:

That was moses instructing the nation of israel as their constitution meant for them alone and no one else, be it christian or arab. Mind you, those laws have been abolished by christ and even the israelites of today dont practice them anymore.

This verse was Christ himself speaking a parable.

Perhaps you dont know that parables aren't taken literally.

In reply to this person read matthew 5:17 "do not think dat i have come to abolish d law or prophets but i have come to fulfill them" . Mind u dis is new testament

The vunerability lies with etisalat for dem allowing a sim swap without fingerprint or id verifcation at least. i think gtbank assumed it wasn't goin to b easy to do a sim swap. guess dey didnt do their homework well. i think its safe to sat dat *737# is vulnerable with etisalat lines only if oda networks do biometrics verification for their sim swap.

I am surprised that most commenters do not realise dis is a fake story. Its glaring. Just read d story well and also look at d source. Ppl can be easily fooled.
The English in d story alone says it all.

Void d negativity. This thread rily cracked me up. Yoruba 4 lyf