Our leaders have failed us.

YEBOmadiba:


Really nuanced piece, THANX man! You touched on all the hot button issues including our SA weaknesses without infuriating me - well done.

Indeed the failings of our own immigration policy and crime preventative measures are the reason for xenophobia in SA, and this is an ongoing debate in the country where others want borders totally shut, while others like the EFF believe Africans cannot be regarded as foreigners in Africa. Then there are those who settle for the middle ground - I think that's where most people fit including you and I.

Yes, SA people also commit crimes and this has never been denied. But undocumented immigrantion by its very nature compounds this problem especially when the reality of high unemployment rates sets in for those who were hoping for greener pastures in SA.

I lived in Hillbrow and the Joburg CBD for close to a decade during my studies and early career, so therefore engaged with many foreign nationals. One common point they made in relation to SA law enforcement is that it was too generous compared to their own police back home. They saw this as a weakness and said it emboldened other Africans to carry crimes in SA coz even our prisons are like hotels compared to what they experience back home. So the fear of imprisonment is reduced in SA because one is guaranteed 3 square meals, TV and a hot shower. Even police have to respect the rights of criminals when making arrests and bail is often guaranteed.

But anyway, thank you for your refreshing views on SA. A special thank u for recognising that foolish IceyJayz as a lunatic and for labelling him as such.

grandlexuz:
Funny how this thread on Zindzi's death digressed into a debate. With the exception of the lunatic Iceyjays the discussion has been civil and educative at best. Shout out to YeboMadiba, Minxie and Morpheus24 for keeping your decorum while airing your concerns.
I certainly have learned alot. There is no denying South Africans have been very tolerant enough. Cameroon belongs to same geopolitical association as Gabon and Guinea Equatoreal. Yet Cameroonian immigrants get it tough in these countries. I hear in Ghana, Nigerians and other foreigners aren't allowed to do certain low skilled job reserved for just nationals. The SA society is totally overwhelmed by foreigners who have brought in different vices. Several years ago during a Big Brother Africa contest I listened with solidarity to the legitimate complaints against foreigners by the SA representive (Barbie).

Most of us Africans have an entitlement mentality.Even in our families because an aunt gave you a plate of beans when you were young she feels entitled to a portion of your salary forever. Lol. South Africans dont owe the rest of Africa a never ending debt for standing by them during apartheid. In solidarity the SA government has over allowed African emigration to levels that are now difficult to get a hold over. The citiizens have the right however to call government immigration policies into order without being violent. I think that is where a bunch of SA folks got it wrong. You can't burn peoples shops and target them for being foreigners. However they can hold placards and match the streets for regulation on immigration by the government. Propose meaningful ideas through their constituents. Thanks Yebomadiba for those impressive anti xenophobia pictures.

Foreigners are always part of the development of every country. Dubai and many Arab countries have more foreigners than locals. Not saying SA should allow more foreigners than its locals but foreigners will always be a part of the society. The government should look at repatriating those involved in a certain level of crime or without meaningful stay in SA. Only then will foreign crime drop. I know of Cameroonians who have been in SA for 20 years unable to send a box of quinine back home during a malaria attack. Lol I also understand there are lots of violent local crimes as well especially towards women. Much work really has to be done by the government.

I was talking to a Cameroonian friend in SA who had an SA friend by her side. When her SA friend stepped away I teasingly asked if she has a big bumbum. She said no. Jokingly I replied " South African girl without bumbum is that one South African". LOL. So yes most west Africans are fascinated with the big bumbum of most SA girls and thus I cant help but smile at all the fight taking place in SA over their girls. Even the lunatic Iceyjays has a South African babe. Minxie if you are not married abeg I deh available oh. I perfectly agree with Minxie over women being attracted to foreigners. In my country I hear girls say they cant marry to a man from their tribe. They prefer another tribe. Definitely foreigners bring a different erotic refreshment. In Cameroon most girls know Nigerian guys just want to play. When marriage time comes the run back to Naija and get a wife. For 220 dollars a Nigerian can get a Cameroonian residential permit valid 2 years, so no one marries for citizenship.

The rivalry between Nigerians and South Africa is a topic for another day.Lol. If only most subsahara African governments could better their own countries SA wouldn't have to deal with all that influx of African economic migrants. The US is building a wall, Italy is refusing migrant ships from docking its wharf, the fight against illegal immigration is real.Even in Cameroon foreigners get repatriated for not having papers. As we condemn South Africans we must also appreciate many of them have been tolerant and their land has been one of milk and honey for many Africans. As South Africans condemn crimes brought in by foreigners they must also look at bearing responsibility for crimes commited by locals. I read a disturbing story of an abaThembu King a nephew of Mandela chasing the son with an axe after leaving prison on parole. Stringent penalties should be instituted for violent and drug related crimes be it from foreigners or locals.

Shalom '

YEBOmadiba:


Really nuanced piece, THANX man! You touched on all the hot button issues including our SA weaknesses without infuriating me - well done.

Indeed the failings of our own immigration policy and crime preventative measures are the reason for xenophobia in SA, and this is an ongoing debate in the country where others want borders totally shut, while others like the EFF believe Africans cannot be regarded as foreigners in Africa. Then there are those who settle for the middle ground - I think that's where most people fit including you and I.

Yes, SA people also commit crimes and this has never been denied. But undocumented immigrantion by its very nature compounds this problem especially when the reality of high unemployment rates sets in for those who were hoping for greener pastures in SA.

I lived in Hillbrow and the Joburg CBD for close to a decade during my studies and early career, so therefore engaged with many foreign nationals. One common point they made in relation to SA law enforcement is that it was too generous compared to their own police back home. They saw this as a weakness and said it emboldened other Africans to carry crimes in SA coz even our prisons are like hotels compared to what they experience back home. So the fear of imprisonment is reduced in SA because one is guaranteed 3 square meals, TV and a hot shower. Even police have to respect the rights of criminals when making arrests and bail is often guaranteed.

But anyway, thank you for your refreshing views on SA. A special thank u for recognising that foolish IceyJayz as a lunatic and for labelling him as such.

Two dickheads, you can keep licking your asses, the truth is fvcking bitter.

Hypnotise:

You hit the nail on the head. Some of them turn their chacha into an office for general services.

Thank God you know, it's just hard to see a sane girl nowadays I swear.

moststylish:
I prefer a white girl actually

You like better thing sha.

kalufelix:
Laziness, love scam, dating multiple men, ashew.o mentality... *spits

That's there motto oh!

Queenslander:
Too late, he's already dead..

Lalasticlala, Seun, Dominique

rule 2 broken, this fake moniker is wishing me dead.

Queenslander:
Too late, he's already dead..

Oh the Fakeass Filterlander, I can see that your bird of same feather friend have given you wings, don't worry by next week I will be back for you.

vanida6:
perhaps but count me out of does useless one's

Maybe you are one of the 20%

77Craze:
Now read your Topic over and over again if you still did not see your fault then you left your senses in your dream. Go get it dude!

Are you allergic to common sense? because it obvious you are.

vanida6:
lolx

I guess am right then

solonubinho:

Virginia ko, Atlanta ni.

K

Graysons:


Are you related to Relx?
But I agree with you tho, some of them are useless as fvck like that llamina girl, spit..

Not in anyway, I agree almost 80% of them including the one that posted here.

heendrix:


There's a big difference btwn women of then and now

Don't mind the brainless guy

77Craze:
Your mum was once a girl remember? She should be in right position to answer this

Read what you typed maybe you made any sense

Reason why I stopped dating them and got a foreign girl, the most is that they have nothing to offer except their virgina and most of them feels you own them something because you are having sex with them, I don't really understand. the broke ones are the worst jeez! I pray no sane guy encounter any of them.

YEBOmadiba:


How do u even know there would have been a South Africa to begin with?

Do u know which country has the richest Kingdom in Africa fool - despite the oppressive colonialism? And it's not even the Zulus.

Read and weep sucker! And stop sucking white c*ck.

#BlackSAExcellence I laugh in SeTswana (kikikikiki)

Shut up! That's false information, you think you can deceive me with this useless write up of yours? fvck off!